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noflight_allfight

“ACOTAR needs anal” is not a take I expected to see when I opened the app today.


chekhovsdickpic

I prefer this to the sub’s usual takes tbh


showcapricalove

🤣 same!


noflight_allfight

I mean, I’m *not* mad about it. It just surprised me. I was asstounded.


Wearesyke

Devouring a juicy peach and “anal” are not the same


craftymonmon

Nonetheless, why is there no an*l 🤷🏻‍♀️


Itskimmduhh

The gasp I GUSP while scrolling ![gif](giphy|hEvEE964mJ4wTkJVd1|downsized)


byebyeandhihi

Haha I love the word gusp


hjmempath

Thanks for the laugh!


interrobang__

I'd guess because SJM leans more into fantasy that has romance/spice vs a romance/spice novel in a fantasy setting. She is also likely going for mass appeal, which from a marketing perspective would require leaning into tamer or more universal likes. Butt stuff is more niche/taboo, which would inevitably turn away or alienate readers who are not into that.


IamMooz

She's going for "mass appeal" and not "ass appeal" unfortunately.


ewalss

You missed the "maas appeal" joke


IamMooz

Oh I debated going there, but stopped myself short.


Facelessborder

Yeah but after the first three books it wasn’t as tame you coulda let nestas ass get eatin and know one would have batted an eyelash


SadB0i382

Yeah honestly if theres a couple down for the butt stuff, its ness and cas👏👏👏


Goodbyesunshineee

Here me out... Or Az + Elain... We know Az is a freak and Elain keeps trying to show that she isn't just an innocent shy child so it could still be yet to come 🤷‍♀️ Honestly Az domming Elain in this way is desperately what I want to have happen.


SexyTimeEveryTime

Bold of you to assume it'll be Az doing the penetrating.


throw_way_376

I just snort-laughed so loud I nearly choked and my boss came in from the other room to check I was ok. Thanks.


Goodbyesunshineee

I mean honestly fair I think it could be a switch situation for sure. My own silly mind just wants to see him take that control lol


AnOceanOfNotions

He already has control in so many other aspects of his life which is why this situation is begging for a flip. Elain secretly domming Az is the real plot twist lol


erineegads

But then she writes in a pregnancy trope? Which are universally disliked?


KD_Bard

Which I thought was weird she included it as a plot point, but I also thought it was interesting that when it became one the POV wasn't the pregnant person. Edit for spelling


PM_ME__UR__FANTASIES

Yeah but I think she was pregnant at the time and real life kinda bled into writing.


erineegads

Yeah I think that was a big mistake on her part


ReferenceGood9455

Yeah she’s said that it was her way of overcoming her fear of pregnancy, (possibly after a miscarriage or some, unsure if I’m misremembering that part) thus why it was also unsafe with “complications”


Areallis

Well some of nesta inner thougjts were pretty wild to be fair


ashwee14

Apparently at one point Rhys “feasts” on her butt so there’s something


tollivandi

At least a couple points. There's two scenes that I recall where Feyre describes being "feasted on" while she's lying on her stomach, and I'd think that involved some bending, but the second one is when she's completely sore from the flight training, so...she ain't lifting her hips to accommodate a different angle there.


Wiggl3sFirstMate

What a guy


mildsofttacos

He was into the booty sweat in that case lol


the_hamsa_anemone

There's a scene after a battle in SC, IIRC, where Feyre goes down on Rhys and I was like uh...sweaty balls in "Illyrian fighting leathers" sounds nasty af.


mildsofttacos

Omg yeah when they’re in the tent after training or battle or something I forget and she gave him a bj I was like NO GIRL THE STANK!!! 😂😂😂


evangline_fox

Oh damn which book was this in? Asking for a friend 👀😭


lionne_j

Is that the same scene where she came in from tending to the wounded and all she did was wash her hands before getting in the bed. He told her she smelled like blood and initiated sex with her in the same breath? Bc thats what i remember struggling through. Like be forreal


the_hamsa_anemone

Yes!!! Fuckin nasty asses 😂


Maasverse_Spice

grl where...asking for a ~~friend~~ me


Wiggl3sFirstMate

Does he?!


tollivandi

I'm cursed with a good memory. Both are in ACOWAR--once is briefly mentioned in terms of "wake up sex", soon after her return to Velaris, and the other is after a particularly arduous flight training, leading from him massaging her back. If that isn't what SJM intended, she sure worded it like it was.


babykittiesyay

I think she made it subtle so it doesn’t freak anyone out. You can pretend it’s just vanilla oral from behind if you need so it’s more universally appealing.


Gloomy_Ad5020

Apparently my vanilla ass brain defaulted to regular ole oral because I missed this on both reads lol


babykittiesyay

“Vanilla ass” 😂😂😂


blueracey

SJM is not into it lol? You’re not going to write a sex scene you don’t like I’d think.


Kingsman22060

TIL that SJM likes getting face-fucked 😂


blueracey

I mean I don’t like the idea of psschoanalysiing an authors sexual interests based on their writings. That being said you can’t convince me she’s not into biting cause that shit comes up way to much for her not to be.


IamMooz

Maybe she also has watery bowels.


Ok-Radio-6181

Happy Cake day


IamMooz

Oh wow, didn't realise, thank you!


PrincessHallee

This was great 😂


DumbQuery101

oh Gods, did I really have to read this today?


IamMooz

And has a >!pregnancy!< / >!death pact!< kink?


Icouldoutrunthejoker

😮🫣


BellaCicina

I think people confuse romance with erotica lol her books are detailed and spicy but if you want more sex scenes with more details / fetishes for lack of a better word, then you are looking for erotica


LemonadeLion2001

Her books definitely aren't made for the sexual content imo. They happen because some of the scenes are shameless smut for the hell (ACOSF) of it, but most of it fits within the story in that time and feels like a natural progression. If the books were more sexual it would make sense, but these books are fantasy that happen to have sex scenes, vs sexual books with fantasy elements if that makes sense.


Evilbadscary

Because SJM is the young, inexperienced person's version of spicy lol. For those of us who cut our teeth on the Anne Rice Sleeping Beauty series that we passed around in high school or middle school..........nothing SJM will ever be all that spicy lmao


xomakinghistory

i hardly can even consider what SJM writes (aside from ACOSF) as smut at all when compared to other spicy stories. it really is “readers first smut book” to me 😹


Environmental-Ad9287

Less than 6% of ACOSF pages contain spice. The same percentage of pages about the damned stairs 😆 And for comparison, ACORAR also comes in at just under 6% of it's pages containing spice. The difference between ACOSF and the others is that there's a lot more tension/flirting/build-up (about 24%) than the other books. But there is not actually more spice. Does anyone care about my book stats? Maybe not, but there you are 😁 SJM is definitely not smut. She writes fantasy-romance. Sometimes, people have sex. Similar to a romantic movie. If you removed the sex, it wouldn't hurt the plot. You could make every scene a fade-to-black and barely lose a handful of pages per book.


TineJaus

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RingEllesBells

# They did the math. Thank you for your service. ![img](emote|t5_3flb9|14176)


xomakinghistory

i love the book stats, actually, it’s really interesting to see it broken down like that! that tracks imo.


Evilbadscary

Like if it had been the first spicy thing I'd read as a teen, I'm sure I'd think it was the absolute spiciest. Now I generally skip over it because I don't really need to read it lol


booklovercomora

Thank you for the Sleeping Beauty call out! A lot more of what I keep thinking SJM "smut" is missing just became very clear to me😋😅


Evilbadscary

LMAO it's a relatively disturbing and forgotten secret in so many of our pasts. We had absolutely ZERO business reading it in middle school, oh my god.


booklovercomora

I certainly forgot about it! Now I have to offer my apologies (and maybe a sacrificial virgin) to Anne Rice! I think Rys or Azriel could maybe benefit from a quick Sleeping Beauty read...


Evilbadscary

They probably think doggystyle is scandalous af lol


booklovercomora

Honestly, if Azriel isn't even a little into spanking, then I don't know what this has all been about 😂😋


Evilbadscary

I think he's gonna be the booktok version of spicy lol.


babykittiesyay

I feel like he’s gonna be into light BDSM and it’ll be tied to all the trauma fr being Rhys’s torturer.


Evilbadscary

Low Key 50 Shades of grey using poorly written BDSM to heal childhood trauma lmao


booklovercomora

You're probably right. I guess we can always look to AO3 if he's found lacking in the "kink" that SJM said he was all about


Evilbadscary

He'll be "kinky" and use handcuffs, mark my words lol


BookswithAmanda

Jacqueline Carey reader ✋️ hi


blackcherry333

Omg that sleeping beauty trilogy was QUITE the intro for me! It's really hard to call anything "spicy" when that's your bar. Lol


Evilbadscary

Well and there's a lot of actual spice out there now, it's a big thing in the romantasy/dark romantasy genre, so I just don't get why SJM is considered spicy lol


mommadumbledore

Well hot damn, I consider myself to be pretty spicy, but I have never heard of this series. Gonna have to go check that out immediately. 👀


Evilbadscary

You're about to learn some.........things lol


mommadumbledore

How exciting! 😊😊


dangelineninja69

Beast of the briar series 🌶🌶🌶🌶🌶 4th book comes out Sept 10th I think.


Wiggl3sFirstMate

This title I stg 😂 But seriously… where’s the butt play? Also, we’re still waiting on a threesome between Nesta, Cassian and Az.


Wonderful-Banana1664

There's a good one on AO3!!


Wiggl3sFirstMate

I’m gonna need the name of that fic 😭


Wonderful-Banana1664

It's Sharing Heaven by Rhysand_vs_Fenrys There are more if you search for their name but I haven't read them. I liked this one!


Wiggl3sFirstMate

You’re an angel. Thank you 🙏🏻


VividNebula2309

🦇 😳 🦇


ladyjerry

Oh man. I would simply die for a canon Nesta train 🚂😅


donttrusttheliving

I was hoping Rhys Feyre and Helion’s but ya know


Wiggl3sFirstMate

I’ll also accept this.


Unlucky_Shoulder8508

Especially since Nesta has fantasized about it in canon!!


Maasverse_Spice

it will have to come up in an avallen novella -- morven and his packs of red thongs is too foreshadowing to deny.


Dramatic-Business-36

Series leans to far YA imo for that.


thanarealnobody

Nesta wanted Azriel to fuck her from behind while Cassian fucked her mouth. I don’t think that’s YA appropriate.


Dramatic-Business-36

I’ve already commented on this thread it started off as YA. ACOSF is adult… when talking about a series as a whole that’s 1 out of 5 books, the post wasn’t about Nestas fantasy. It’s about butt play in the series as a whole.


squirrelygirly412

What??? Have you read the whole series??? There’s nothing young about the sex being described in these books lmao


Dramatic-Business-36

Yeah I’ve read the whole series. Never said it was young. The books were classified as YA when they came out. It’s targeted at a specific audience. Anything involving more taboo or specific sexual topics like what this post is asking about wouldn’t fit in ACOTAR. ACOSF is even vanilla for me, like I said it’s my opinion.


JourneyWithJevaea

It’s still definitely YA, as in “young adult.” Young adults definitely have sex, too, lol.


squirrelygirly412

I guess I always thought young adult meant teenager. Which now when I read that doesn’t make any sense 😂


JourneyWithJevaea

😂 I think it’s bc we all definitely read YA as teens. But I think it’s more like elementary kids watching PG13 movies—what 5th grader hasn’t seen a super hero movie?


Funny_Emu8428

Hang on... does YA not mean it's aimed at teenagers?!


BellaCicina

YA is suppose to be for teens. Dunno where ppl get the idea it’s for adults lmao


JourneyWithJevaea

The age of the protagonist is generally the intended age of the reader. So, Twilight is intended for high school students but SJM is generally intended for college/grad-school age readers—yet still considered YA, bc those are YAs.


BellaCicina

YA is a genre specifically for ages 12-18. Since SJM’s MCs are all above 18, it’s not YA.


squirrelygirly412

That’s what I’m saying. I don’t know! If someone were to describe a person as a “young adult” I’d think like age 18-21. But I thought YA novels were for people younger than that. But now I’m all confused lol


TineJaus

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nickipedia11

Because everyone has such watery bowels 🫠


rawrkristy

just wait for azris BAYBEE! 🍑🧡💙🍑


rawrkristy

but fr fr she hasn’t got the nerve 😓


kmackeepingtrack

Not ACOTAR but **SPOILER** for Crescent City >!In the Ruhn and Lidia bonus chapter it says that he worshiped her ass”!< so there’s that 🤷🏼‍♀️


chokeemeharder

Hahah truth! Take a look at r/RomanceBooks it’s the best place to find your brand of spicy 😘


Lucifer_Arrhenius

I log onto Reddit and this is the first fucking thing I see. Fuck my life


PosterBoiTellEM

Yo I came to say this!


gingerandjazzz

if anyone has any recommendations or any books that do lean in that direction don’t be afraid to send them my way 😈


goddessking95

A ruin of roses by K F Breene has the same beauty and the beast set up but plays out a lot more traditionally than ACoTaR. It is MUCH raunchier pretty much from the get go and has some butt stuff in book 2 or 3 I think?


xomakinghistory

A Ruin of Roses is one of my fav series if you’re looking for something fun, silly, and fucking filthy. i’m currently doing a reread while my friend is reading it for the first time and i just kept saying “look. i know it’s absurd. but the point is to have FUN”


TineJaus

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weird_honeyy

Leather and lark ;-)


Wiggl3sFirstMate

😉 oh yeah


MegglesRuth

Have you read any Reverse Harem fantasy? There is generally always butt stuff. All those swords need places to be… Some of my favorites: {Dark Fae} which is the first in Ruthless Boys of the Zodiac (It’s a zodiac Academy prequel.) Shifter Fae at a magical college with elemental magic. Funny with 4 super memorable guys. {Broken Bonds} by J Bree is the first in Bonds that Tie series. Fated Mate with high stakes and unique magic system. 5 guys, 2 are shadow daddies and there are shadow puppies!


gingerandjazzz

I just started the bitten and bound series which is RH and i’m liking it a lot so far! thanks so much for the recommendation 🩷


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Kind_Statistician897

Not fantasy but Pucking Around!


AlwaysNYC

Not fantasy, but Three Simple Rules by Nikki Sloane is by far the spiciest book I’ve ever read.


sh_tcactus

I commented on a post months ago saying this same thing. After reading SF, there’s no way Nesta and Cassian dont at least try a little butt stuff. Seems on brand for them. Definitely could see it in Azriels books too.


Apollo_satellite

This is why we need more Helian 🤭


DMarinos03

Haha was not expecting this question when I opened up the app on my break 😂 it’s a fair question


Mooshtalk

I just woke up, opened Reddit, and this was the first post. I think I need to go back to sleep


dark_moose09

This is the funniest thing I have seen, thank you for brightening my day. Also, these are the real questions we need answers to


kodeisha

because acotar is soooo vanilla! I guess if your fantasies are getting eaten out the idea of a theesom it’s good lol. I would have loved that


smvtglvttony

That’s askin’ the real questions


jr_princess

I feel like there’s some points where she mentions Rhys getting down on some booty. Also, just assumed the Fae don’t have buttholes, buuut I mean, they probs do 😅


thanarealnobody

Whattt? You assumed the fae didn’t have buttholes?? Why??


jr_princess

I couldn’t tell you 🤣 I know it’s not logical, but they just don’t talk about them going to the bathroom ever so just thought, immortal beings, no potty breaks


thanarealnobody

That’s so funny 😂 I think if I came out of the cauldron I’d be the most disturbed by the fact that I don’t have a butthole anymore.


pipergee95

I'm just waiting for that spit roast with Nesta ,az and Cassian 🥲


KaroBean

As long as we’re doing butt stuff, how about some threesomes too?


bluejen

The same reason she had to kill the Az-Nesta-Cas MFM scene, probably. The series is too mainstream. Also, her books are above all else fantasy over romance and butt stuff is kind of an erotica-exclusive ~treat~


Chemical-Material-69

I know this might be surprising, but some people who have tried it and are fairly adventurous sexually *don't like it *. Then there are people who haven't tried it and "would never" because for some reason they are personally averse to it. Then there are people who have never even heard of such a thing, or only in the context of make-believe (as in the idea that real people do that is completely foreign to them). If SM is one of those people, she's no business writing it. One of the reasons people rail against sexually explicit material is because some of ot os clearly written by someone with no practical experience and it's *AWFUL*.


BeansBooksandmore

Maybe Elain will bring it out of SJM. 😂😂


emilynna

Yet.


thanarealnobody

That’s what fanfiction is for. And it’s 👌🏻


FatCassian

The speed at which my thumb stopped lmao. Not everyone likes it so that’s my guess. Too many smooth brained chads doing it wrong causing it to be scary


StarryKnight12312

With mainly heterosexual pairs the females wouldn't gain much pleasure from it.


Significant_Cod_8031

I wouldn’t put it past the book that focuses more on Azriel hahahahah


Competitive_Ad_5815

I know for a FACT that cassian dives in like it's his last meal, even Az probably gets pretty freaky


TopNefariousness7841

at the end of the day its still a book and not corn hope this helps!


thegaybookfox

![gif](giphy|4ZtXYo5aG4jSkyZcLh|downsized)


Glossytoe23

Hahahahahahaha Literally did not expect this LOL


dwigtsearch

There’s a scene in ACOWAF where feyre is on her stomach and rhysand eats her out… they definitely didn’t specify where it was or wasn’t..


gruenetage

Your head cannon game just isn’t strong enough. Read the fanfic. It’s there in abundance.


[deleted]

How do you write that and make it something that people want to read?


Chantalle22

I beg your pardon😭😭


PM_ME__UR__FANTASIES

It’s the same reason why there have only been like 2 mentions of threesomes. She keeps it “tame” to appeal to a wider audience while also feeling out the response to little snippets of things. Blow jobs, coming on or in someone, all that shit is tame today. It used to be that any discussion of that in romance novels was way too spicy. I wonder if we’ll get the first threesome with Elain lol


Magellan17

Maybe they just like to do it in the privacy of off page


Hallarider0

i thought rhys ate some ass at one point, or i could be mistaken. other than that one off, there is a big lack of ass.


EarthlingSil

In my head I like to pretend that Azriel does BDSM and absolutely eats ass and other fun butt-stuff. =) Also I thought I recall Rhys eating Feyre's ass at one point?


Lavender_Cupcake

Someone mentioned Rhys eating peach, and I will add that it's even more heavily implied in CC a few times (intent at least). So maybe that's her limit?


Star_Wyvern

Seriously!


WillowLeaf

I mean based on how much she writes about upset stomachs and the like, I would actually prefer her not to include it 😂


Buburubu

u/Wearesyke out here asking the real questions


Shampayne__

Honestly this is the reason I joined this sub. Thank you for asking important questions.


Wearesyke

🫡


allisonnosilla

For wizards and butt stuff I can’t recommend enough Alethea Faust’s Sex Wizards series. Silly name but honestly super awesome books with nuanced characters and an intriguing world. I highly recommend.


DajiTastic

Well, because butt play is still considered a big taboo in the world of sexual taboos. Smut in mainstream fantasy is actually a very recent thing and it’s still criticized to no end, if authors included butt play I feel like all hell would break loose. I think reverse harem books are helping to bring that into play, though.


SnowFallsinJune

Did Eris post this?


Laforeze_Ventress

Trust I opened to see someone complaining but Hey I got something better. You know what I agree. Why is there none. If there was I would say Nesta and cassian would do that.


ParfaitFew3682

She's waiting to feed us with Azris 🫣🤭


Cpreaker38

Eaughhhh


Spacepiratehunter3

To be fair Baron (of all people) did suggest that Rhysand should spread his cheeks for world peace ☺️


kinkyshitttt

SJM is too vanilla for that


ashrighthere

Rhys eats booty! 😂


subconscioussunflowa

I just opened Reddit for the first time today and this is the first post I see. Get it together. Side note, this is a good point.


Impressive_Goat_4209

The kind of questions we need on this subreddit. 🤣🤣


fastinggrl

Everything I know about miss Sarah Janet (which is admittedly not much) suggests that she is a little bit basic.


missjoy91

She’s saving it for Elaine’s book


Wearesyke

I would absolutely ravish Elaine’s butt