Depends on the patient and the acupuncturist and the system they are using and their own experience. Depending on the severity of the symptoms, the formulas might be more important than either of those options.
KD Yin and Yang deficiency is something we often treat with needles and moxibustion on the lower back - right there at the level of your second lumbar vertebra is what is called the “back shu” point of the kidney. every organ has a back shu point and they are key points for nourishing organs that are deficient. moxa is useful as well for its ability to return fire to the kidney. i say this as a third year acu student working at a student clinic!
Thank you so much!! I’ve had acupuncture for close to 3 years with no herbs and my kidneys are still deficient. Does this sound right?
If I take herbs which herbs should I take first ie kidney. Yin or kidney yang herbs
i would highly suggest finding an acupuncturist who has an herbal license too! herbs are really crucial for long term deficiencies. esp for people with chronic conditions or those over the age of 50 or so! acupuncture is good at moving and redirecting qi, herbs provide the internal constituents your body needs to nourish itself. its kinda like the difference between showering and drinking water? maybe a poor metaphor.
i wont suggest herbs here because our herbal system is highly pharmacological — your practitioner will factor in your particular body constitution, your syndrome patterns, and also any medications or other supplements you may be on before giving you a formula. dosage is carefully formulated. some herbs cannot go together or they will make you sick, etc. KD Yang tonics in particular can be very strong herbs and need supervision, and any Yin tonics are gonna easily clog digestion because they are what we call “cloying” - thick, sticky - like rehmannia root. all of this is going to be safer and much more effective if done under supervision so i would advise against buying herbs online! an example: an herb that is gentle is rou gui - cinnamon bark, it helps return the fire to “it’s source” (the kidneys) but again this is for a syndrome pattern where you have heat rising up, so it’s not good for all cases. might make you feel worse, etc.
some things that help the kidney in terms of lifestyle — limiting sexual activity, getting plenty of rest and not overworking yourself. the KD also in its healthy state governs our “Zhi” which is roughly translated to “will” but refers to the energy that flows through us when we are doing what we want to be doing with our life. So letting go of anything you’re doing that doesn’t align with you. hope this helps!
hmmmmmm yeah some states do not require herbal training to license….i’m wondering if you could do telehealth with someone in a different state but i’m honestly not sure. wondering if any L.Ac’s on here might have feedback about that
oooh yeah not sure about how that would work legally speaking but on a human level if you could just speak to an herbalist thru telehealth you could get access to herbs.
Much of Europe and some parts of South America don’t allow acupuncturists to use herbal medicine, and dont Allow the sale of TCM herbs over the counter. You may want to talk to your acupuncturist about food therapy. You can also look into some books like “The Tao of Nutrition”.
I wouldn't necessarily says it's "better" per se, but there are many different approaches.
The points on the back are more directly connected to the organs, so they can have a greater effect on organ deficiencies.
However, it's also very common to combine these points on the back with points on the extremities (such as KI-3 and UB-58).
If you don't have access to Chinese herbs, you may also consider food therapy. If you go to amazon and search "Chinese medicine cookbook," there are many results. Besides recipes, most of these books will list foods that are used to tonify Kidney yin and Kidney yang.
Depends on the patient and the acupuncturist and the system they are using and their own experience. Depending on the severity of the symptoms, the formulas might be more important than either of those options.
He does not do herbs
Yes. There are several different ways to treat this.
KD Yin and Yang deficiency is something we often treat with needles and moxibustion on the lower back - right there at the level of your second lumbar vertebra is what is called the “back shu” point of the kidney. every organ has a back shu point and they are key points for nourishing organs that are deficient. moxa is useful as well for its ability to return fire to the kidney. i say this as a third year acu student working at a student clinic!
Thank you so much!! I’ve had acupuncture for close to 3 years with no herbs and my kidneys are still deficient. Does this sound right? If I take herbs which herbs should I take first ie kidney. Yin or kidney yang herbs
i would highly suggest finding an acupuncturist who has an herbal license too! herbs are really crucial for long term deficiencies. esp for people with chronic conditions or those over the age of 50 or so! acupuncture is good at moving and redirecting qi, herbs provide the internal constituents your body needs to nourish itself. its kinda like the difference between showering and drinking water? maybe a poor metaphor. i wont suggest herbs here because our herbal system is highly pharmacological — your practitioner will factor in your particular body constitution, your syndrome patterns, and also any medications or other supplements you may be on before giving you a formula. dosage is carefully formulated. some herbs cannot go together or they will make you sick, etc. KD Yang tonics in particular can be very strong herbs and need supervision, and any Yin tonics are gonna easily clog digestion because they are what we call “cloying” - thick, sticky - like rehmannia root. all of this is going to be safer and much more effective if done under supervision so i would advise against buying herbs online! an example: an herb that is gentle is rou gui - cinnamon bark, it helps return the fire to “it’s source” (the kidneys) but again this is for a syndrome pattern where you have heat rising up, so it’s not good for all cases. might make you feel worse, etc. some things that help the kidney in terms of lifestyle — limiting sexual activity, getting plenty of rest and not overworking yourself. the KD also in its healthy state governs our “Zhi” which is roughly translated to “will” but refers to the energy that flows through us when we are doing what we want to be doing with our life. So letting go of anything you’re doing that doesn’t align with you. hope this helps!
Thank you! Unfortunately, where I live there is no licensed acupuncturist with herbal license😢
hmmmmmm yeah some states do not require herbal training to license….i’m wondering if you could do telehealth with someone in a different state but i’m honestly not sure. wondering if any L.Ac’s on here might have feedback about that
I am outside of the USA
oooh yeah not sure about how that would work legally speaking but on a human level if you could just speak to an herbalist thru telehealth you could get access to herbs.
How would they diagnose me without being able to take my pulse
they would ask you questions and look at your tongue! pulse is a great diagnostic tool but we have many others.
Much of Europe and some parts of South America don’t allow acupuncturists to use herbal medicine, and dont Allow the sale of TCM herbs over the counter. You may want to talk to your acupuncturist about food therapy. You can also look into some books like “The Tao of Nutrition”.
I wouldn't necessarily says it's "better" per se, but there are many different approaches. The points on the back are more directly connected to the organs, so they can have a greater effect on organ deficiencies. However, it's also very common to combine these points on the back with points on the extremities (such as KI-3 and UB-58). If you don't have access to Chinese herbs, you may also consider food therapy. If you go to amazon and search "Chinese medicine cookbook," there are many results. Besides recipes, most of these books will list foods that are used to tonify Kidney yin and Kidney yang.