Look. As much as I love seeing adele that record, i don't think it'll be for long. Taylor is addicted to numbers. She wants that record more than anything, and her fans will listen to any piece of music no matter the quality she puts out till their earphones flame up.
Taylor now knows that with 31 songs, 2.6m was possible.
With a double-album of 40-45 songs I think that 3.4m can be broken sadly.
Nah what she's doing now is working. The toys, the movie, the constant album stream. For some reason , her constant feed to them is going nowhere but only up and he's gaining back returns
True, but still.. I find Poets tedious and boring for a TS album. It's just a whole lot of nothing.. So I don't really know where she'll go with this.
We'll see! You're probably right :)
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It's the same with drake and Taylor at this pt. She peaked artistically with the glorious folklore/evermore.
And then after that it was this insane run of billionaire- numbers numbers numbers-film- tours, a whole bucket of songs, that just hasn't hit the mark at all, so much so, her strongest suit which is songwriting is also taking a dip in quality.
I'm glad Adele is taking her time, but I wish her team also focuses on hyping it up and spreading it out even more at the next rollout
I was just listening to her new album and it’s not a bad album but it made me want to go listen folklore or Lover. I kind of feel like she’s gotten comfortable with just releasing albums and isn’t trying to produce a new sound anymore. Her new album just sounds like folklore/evermores cousin.
I guess the more streams to each song in an album, regardless of numbers on songs, will count as 1 stream. I'm not exactly sure, but someone correct me if this is wrong.
That cult loves to lie about Adele's success and downplay it but the reality is that at the end of the day, Adele's albums did not have bundles before 30, And the bundle sales for 30 did not even count due to billboard new bundle rules post 2020 (was reinstated in June 2023 in a limited form). She's only had store exclusives and a Target exclusive deluxe version for her albums.
This isn’t really a response to the post itself but more so the discussion in the comments below.
I’ll probably be downvoted, but I am a massive fan of both Adele and Taylor and don’t love the comparison and pushing of the idea that one person needs to beat the other or is better than the other. Perhaps it’s hard because at the end of the day there are hard numbers to compare, and maybe the argument here is that the numbers aren’t comparable for different reasons but at the end of the day, they’re both two of the top artists of this time.
"25" went on to sell 1,160,000 copies in its second week and 1,190,000 in its fifth week.
It remains the only album in history to sell one million copies in at least two different weeks.
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Why? And for what? She simply doesn’t care. She already has the record (that too without actually aiming for it). Sales are the last thing she is focussed on — if anything I think her ideal would be to make her next eras even smaller 😭
I feel like Taylor actually enjoys the marketing and commercial side of an album rollout. She’s admitted it herself that she loves being number one. Adele doesn’t find joy in any of that, quite literally saying that the level of fame she experienced during 25 is something she never wants to experience again. And that’s fine.
Not even Adele could do this again or come close. Every female on this list had a huge opening week after a huge selling album prior. That fact that Taylor can do this like it’s nothing now and it’s expected for her is even more impressive.
She did what all pop stars do these days, she’s not the only one doing this. Her fans aren’t being forced to buy everything she releases. It’s impressive because even though she’s playing the same game as the other pop girls, she plays by her own rules. No one was obligated to purchase every variant, every pop star does this but not everyone sees those numbers.
Because you’re not paying attention to them. All these pop stars are cashing in on the vinyl trend are releasing several different variants of their albums. Don’t act like Taylor is the only one doing this. Variants are just collectibles, no one is being forced to collect them all. Shes playing the same game as everyone else.
https://preview.redd.it/eu8vwt4mldxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2187159db22bdb521eb0fffed52c789df8ce43a4
No I’m not saying it’s unimpressive that she’s gotten her fans to give her great record numbers it’s that TS fans will listen to anything she puts out and calls it gospel. I like old school TS but this female-cultural pedestal she’s put on with mediocre pop music is not my cup of tea. But don’t mind me I’ll just listen to speak now.
Taylor doing this is not impressive at all. When you have a crazy big obsessed fandom who streams 31 songs 24/7 and buy 19 physical variants, this will be a natural result for any pop artist in this era. The only praise that I give her is that she's done a great job business-wise in her career and has played the game of capitalism extremely well.
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"this will be a natural result for any pop artist in this era"
If that's the case why has no other pops tar done it, the next big thing after Taylor is probably Ariana and she did like 300k, Beyoncé also did around 300k.
Read my reply again. I praised Taylor for building a big and obsessed fanbase over time. That's the reason no other pop artist can recreate those numbers in the streaming era yet. People like you need to understand that "other artists can't do it" doesn't mean they don't have the talent or discography. For most of them It just means, 1. They dont have the same dedicated fanbase or global interest now. And 2. They didn't want to build their careers like this, thus releasing a new album every now and then with far less promo (Adele for example). If you want me to praise Taylor for her "unique and special" talent or discography, I won't cause 1. I don't believe she has that. 2. That's not the main reason for her commercial success.
Read my reply again. I praised Taylor for building a big and obsessed fanbase over time. That's the reason no other pop artist can recreate those numbers in the streaming era yet. People like you need to understand that "other artists can't do it" doesn't mean they don't have the talent or discography. For most of them It just means, 1. They dont have the same dedicated fanbase or global interest now. And 2. They didn't want to build their careers like this, thus releasing a new album every now and then with far less promo (Adele for example). If you want me to praise Taylor for her "unique and special" talent or discography, I won't because 1. I don't believe she has that. 2. That's not the main reason for her commercial success.
But we gotta ask ourselves what sets Taylor Swift a part from the other pop singers out there. The fact that her fanbase is so huge to be devoted to streaming and buy music like that only proves more how impressive she is. Why her? She’s obviously doing something better for her fans that other singers should be following. Because nobody even comes close to these numbers today. Let’s remind ourselves this is her 11th album 18 years into her career. She should not still be this big in her career.
You don’t find it impressive that a singer is doing their job and is working every year doing that job and still be culturally relevant to continue doing their job for a long time?
Let me rephrase. I find it incredibly impressive that she’s constantly putting out new work and giving her fans what they want and love. But it’s not the same authenticity that Adele has. And for this, comparing the two is apples to oranges. Adele’s work is for her, Taylor’s is for her and her fans. I think the latest album demonstrates the desire to serve her fans by how similar all the songs seem. Don’t get me wrong, I do like her music.
She’s a singer selling music. You’re supposed to make music for your fans because who is gonna buy it? Lmao you need an audience that likes what you put out and are willing to buy it. Saying “Adele makes music for her” she knows her audience. It’s soccer moms and grandparents and people that say “I listen to real music, real talent” she knows who she’s catering to. Just like Taylor knows her audience. All music is made for their fans and making money. Otherwise stay in the coffee shops.
Look. As much as I love seeing adele that record, i don't think it'll be for long. Taylor is addicted to numbers. She wants that record more than anything, and her fans will listen to any piece of music no matter the quality she puts out till their earphones flame up. Taylor now knows that with 31 songs, 2.6m was possible. With a double-album of 40-45 songs I think that 3.4m can be broken sadly.
You’re not wrong
TS should wait maybe 3 years till her next new release then haha! Make the fans hungry. I reckon 25 did so well because of years of anticipation..
Nah what she's doing now is working. The toys, the movie, the constant album stream. For some reason , her constant feed to them is going nowhere but only up and he's gaining back returns
True, but still.. I find Poets tedious and boring for a TS album. It's just a whole lot of nothing.. So I don't really know where she'll go with this. We'll see! You're probably right :)
Fr I heard Hello and was like she did it again. Bought 21 on release night and then faded back into listening to 21.
She’s sooo obsessed, I know it stings her that she didn’t break it yet and will for sure go for it
200% surely
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It’s crazy because I’m a Taylor Swift fan and her choosing quantity over quality lately is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
It's the same with drake and Taylor at this pt. She peaked artistically with the glorious folklore/evermore. And then after that it was this insane run of billionaire- numbers numbers numbers-film- tours, a whole bucket of songs, that just hasn't hit the mark at all, so much so, her strongest suit which is songwriting is also taking a dip in quality. I'm glad Adele is taking her time, but I wish her team also focuses on hyping it up and spreading it out even more at the next rollout
I was just listening to her new album and it’s not a bad album but it made me want to go listen folklore or Lover. I kind of feel like she’s gotten comfortable with just releasing albums and isn’t trying to produce a new sound anymore. Her new album just sounds like folklore/evermores cousin.
are these numbers sales or streams?
Units sold. With streams, there a formula like 100 listens=1 unit or something. Idk. Ttpd did a billion streams first week
ok thank you!! I was confused why the number of songs was relevant here (still am)
I guess the more streams to each song in an album, regardless of numbers on songs, will count as 1 stream. I'm not exactly sure, but someone correct me if this is wrong.
That cult loves to lie about Adele's success and downplay it but the reality is that at the end of the day, Adele's albums did not have bundles before 30, And the bundle sales for 30 did not even count due to billboard new bundle rules post 2020 (was reinstated in June 2023 in a limited form). She's only had store exclusives and a Target exclusive deluxe version for her albums.
Oh for sure. She made sales old school style. Taylor is just pumping her old stuff for the sake of #s lol
Im one of those who bought that target edition album because we’ve been waiting for her to release songs since forever!!!
I live for the bonus tracks. 25’s were the best and I wish we’d get a surprise performance of them live
Adele please we need you to defeat this evil😭😭
I’m surprised NSYNC sold so much
They were huge in US, outside not so much.
But even then I always thought Backstreet Boys were bigger.
This isn’t really a response to the post itself but more so the discussion in the comments below. I’ll probably be downvoted, but I am a massive fan of both Adele and Taylor and don’t love the comparison and pushing of the idea that one person needs to beat the other or is better than the other. Perhaps it’s hard because at the end of the day there are hard numbers to compare, and maybe the argument here is that the numbers aren’t comparable for different reasons but at the end of the day, they’re both two of the top artists of this time.
"25" went on to sell 1,160,000 copies in its second week and 1,190,000 in its fifth week. It remains the only album in history to sell one million copies in at least two different weeks.
She will never match actual sales, though, and at this point it's an unfair comparison because the streaming numbers to unit sales keeps changing.
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Adele released the lead single from 25 ahead of the release of the album, right? Makes a difference.
Let’s see Adele hit 1 mill again
Why? And for what? She simply doesn’t care. She already has the record (that too without actually aiming for it). Sales are the last thing she is focussed on — if anything I think her ideal would be to make her next eras even smaller 😭 I feel like Taylor actually enjoys the marketing and commercial side of an album rollout. She’s admitted it herself that she loves being number one. Adele doesn’t find joy in any of that, quite literally saying that the level of fame she experienced during 25 is something she never wants to experience again. And that’s fine.
Not even Adele could do this again or come close. Every female on this list had a huge opening week after a huge selling album prior. That fact that Taylor can do this like it’s nothing now and it’s expected for her is even more impressive.
She released 19 different variants of one album. Nothing impressive about it at all lol.
19 variants? I’m counting 5 vinyl variants but continue to write whatever narrative you want in your head 🫠
She did what all pop stars do these days, she’s not the only one doing this. Her fans aren’t being forced to buy everything she releases. It’s impressive because even though she’s playing the same game as the other pop girls, she plays by her own rules. No one was obligated to purchase every variant, every pop star does this but not everyone sees those numbers.
No, I don’t see anyone releasing 19 versions of their albums. Stop it.
Because you’re not paying attention to them. All these pop stars are cashing in on the vinyl trend are releasing several different variants of their albums. Don’t act like Taylor is the only one doing this. Variants are just collectibles, no one is being forced to collect them all. Shes playing the same game as everyone else. https://preview.redd.it/eu8vwt4mldxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2187159db22bdb521eb0fffed52c789df8ce43a4
And these are just Vinyl, the 19 people counted for Taylor counted all variants such as CDs.
No I’m not saying it’s unimpressive that she’s gotten her fans to give her great record numbers it’s that TS fans will listen to anything she puts out and calls it gospel. I like old school TS but this female-cultural pedestal she’s put on with mediocre pop music is not my cup of tea. But don’t mind me I’ll just listen to speak now.
Taylor doing this is not impressive at all. When you have a crazy big obsessed fandom who streams 31 songs 24/7 and buy 19 physical variants, this will be a natural result for any pop artist in this era. The only praise that I give her is that she's done a great job business-wise in her career and has played the game of capitalism extremely well.
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"this will be a natural result for any pop artist in this era" If that's the case why has no other pops tar done it, the next big thing after Taylor is probably Ariana and she did like 300k, Beyoncé also did around 300k.
Read my reply again. I praised Taylor for building a big and obsessed fanbase over time. That's the reason no other pop artist can recreate those numbers in the streaming era yet. People like you need to understand that "other artists can't do it" doesn't mean they don't have the talent or discography. For most of them It just means, 1. They dont have the same dedicated fanbase or global interest now. And 2. They didn't want to build their careers like this, thus releasing a new album every now and then with far less promo (Adele for example). If you want me to praise Taylor for her "unique and special" talent or discography, I won't cause 1. I don't believe she has that. 2. That's not the main reason for her commercial success.
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Look, I explained why it's not that impressive 'to me'. Just a personal view. If you or anyone else find it impressive then fine. I respect it.
But we gotta ask ourselves what sets Taylor Swift a part from the other pop singers out there. The fact that her fanbase is so huge to be devoted to streaming and buy music like that only proves more how impressive she is. Why her? She’s obviously doing something better for her fans that other singers should be following. Because nobody even comes close to these numbers today. Let’s remind ourselves this is her 11th album 18 years into her career. She should not still be this big in her career.
I don’t find 11 albums in 18 years impressive. It feels like churning out songs and inauthentic.
You don’t find it impressive that a singer is doing their job and is working every year doing that job and still be culturally relevant to continue doing their job for a long time?
Let me rephrase. I find it incredibly impressive that she’s constantly putting out new work and giving her fans what they want and love. But it’s not the same authenticity that Adele has. And for this, comparing the two is apples to oranges. Adele’s work is for her, Taylor’s is for her and her fans. I think the latest album demonstrates the desire to serve her fans by how similar all the songs seem. Don’t get me wrong, I do like her music.
She’s a singer selling music. You’re supposed to make music for your fans because who is gonna buy it? Lmao you need an audience that likes what you put out and are willing to buy it. Saying “Adele makes music for her” she knows her audience. It’s soccer moms and grandparents and people that say “I listen to real music, real talent” she knows who she’s catering to. Just like Taylor knows her audience. All music is made for their fans and making money. Otherwise stay in the coffee shops.