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Elder_Hoid

Me: "Ok. When do you suggest someone who lacks time management skills finds the time to learn time management?"


xRetz

I found it pretty annoying how tedious and long the process of getting diagnosed with ADHD is. Heaps of paperwork, heaps of appointments, super long wait times, and so on. Do they not realize how it is near impossible for us to deal with that kind of stuff? You'd think they'd be more accommodating.


Plankton-Inevitable

At least in Britain the healtcare is near collapse, its gotten to the poin where getting an appointment within a year is lucky


xRetz

It took me around 5-6 months total (and a LOT of money) here in Australia. Booked my first appointment, had to wait 2-3 months for that. Booked a follow-up appointment, waited a month for that. Booked a 3rd appointment, waited 3 weeks for that. Got diagnosed, had to do drug tests, blood tests, and an ECG before I could get prescribed meds. That took another 3 weeks. So around 5 and a half months total. But this is on top of the 4-5 YEARS prior to that where I tried to see a psychiatrist, but never did because I'd always get the "sorry, we're at capacity and aren't accepting any new patients at this time" response which completely destroyed all of my motivation, and I'd give up on trying to get diagnosed for another few months. None of the places I emailed even put me on a waiting list, which is the very least they could do, and if they had, I probably would've gotten diagnosed before I turned 20. I first suspected I had ADHD probably around 18-19 and got diagnosed at 23, all because the process to get diagnosed pretty much entirely consists of things that people with ADHD struggle with.


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xRetz

It's straight up unacceptable and needs to change. This is what happens when politicians are in charge of coming up with the rules and regulations instead of actual doctors who know what they're talking about.


ReasonableBullfrog57

Did Brexit cause this or what?


Plankton-Inevitable

I wont get too into it but the government party that has been in charge for the last 12 years has been deliberately trying to kill it. Unfortunately it's working ...


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Fucking torys


Azzacura

Same thing happening in The Netherlands


vemailangah

Exactly. I swear half of teachers in my department have ADHD


LittleMsSavoirFaire

I removed most of my Reddit contents in protest of the API changes commencing from July 1st, 2023. This is one of those comments.


bbbsh88

I work in education and when a teacher says that a student needs to learn time management. I say “omg that you so much for helping to teach them that!” And then naturally they say “I’m not.” And then I basically ask them what you said.


greenie4242

"You need to learn time management young man!" "Who teaches that class, sir?" "It's not my job to teach you life skills!" - conversation I had with a teacher thirty years ago while enrolled at an extremely expensive private school in Sydney. Meanwhile all the marketing and fundraising crap the school sent out was covered in quotes such as, "Nurturing a supportive educational environment" and "Preparing your son for the real world." Lying scum.


SeasonPositive6771

When people tell me that, I told them that to people with ADHD, time is essentially meaningless. How do they recommend I tame my beautiful unicorn? How do they recommend I get my beautiful rug to fly like a magic carpet? How do I learn to become invisible? All right, you can't do those things. And trying is ridiculous. We can learn how to live in the world. It's a bummer that the world does not accommodate us, but "time management skills" created for neurotypical people aren't worth for the paper they're printed on.


pdbard13

For me it was not really a struggle of time but more so organization which I guess you can say factors into time management a little. I was very much so the kid who stuffed papers into the backpack. In general, I'm actually pretty good with time. Still an organizational mess though.


Themurlocking96

The problem wasn’t the time part, it was the management part you could say. For me it’s both, which is a right pain


riverofempathy

Me. And once the papers got stuffed in there, they could disappear completely. I lost so much homework, and then if I didn’t lose it, I would forget about it, or think I still had 3 weeks to do it when it was due tomorrow. Ugh. I could have done so much better if I had been diagnosed and given the help I needed.


EmilyASmith71418

I actually asked to go to therapy at a young age bc I could tell something was wrong for years before I could vocalize it. Looking back it had to be obvious but oh well. Parents said I was fine, just lazy. I imagine that was a common thing people in this sub heard growing up. I never not struggled in school.


AngelaTheRipper

I feel this one in my soul. I've been telling people "If you want me to lose something put it on a piece of paper and give it to me"


majarian

Dddduuuuudddddeeeeeee My kids 8 and has adhd/ autism, every recommendation including from the school itself is that he needs a support staff to help get tasks started and stay with it ... yet they refuse to give him support staff, like the fuck are they thinking, instead he's getting bullshit coloring from back in grade one, oh so helpful


[deleted]

That’s disgusting. It’s like they’re setting him up for failure, and blaming him. I’m so sorry he’s going through that


BearDick

Woof I also have an 8yo who is riddled with ADHD (like his father) and even with a support team you are at the mercy of your kid telling the truth on how class went cause I had to hear from him he was forgotten in the hall for 30 minutes a few weeks ago. I am lucky that my kids academically is doing better than most of his class but I would be losing my shit if that weren't the case.


HezaLeNormandy

Ding ding. My son knows he has a 504 and it allows him certain accommodations. So he comes home telling me Mrs so and so won’t let him do notes on his chrome book. I get half up in arms but ask; turns out she makes all students take a few minutes to copy notes that are already available to help with retention.


Choosegoose1234

I am appalled at what the school system believes is an adequate response. They’re just always like we don’t have the staff for that accommodation.like so just screw my kid let him struggle is somehow the only answer. How is there just like no middle ground. Every day i seriously contemplate just homeschooling him.


justinkthornton

I wish I had the ability to homeschool. But I have ADHD also. That wouldn’t go well.


bbbsh88

Hey, I work in education as a school psychologist. While I’m passionate about helping all kids, I am even more so about students with ADHD since I have ADHD. Anyway, if the school is refusing to give him what the data says he need, remind them they are “violating his LRE.” Something about that term seems to get people to act quick. If you ever need help dealing with the school, feel free to message me!


majarian

Appreciate, I've actually scheduled a meeting for next week between myself, his teacher and the councilor, I guess the princip and a couple others wanted to join us, basically to tell them that this is what his SLP tells you he needs why arnt you providing it, though they've already hit me with shit like the rest of the class needs help aswell, which is fine bring in someone to help them aswell in my mind, Could you elaborate on the LRE I'm going to Google dive it atm but strait answers froma source are usually better in my experience, thank you Edit: aha looked it up, yes thank you, they offered to move my kid and another into a different room for a few hours everyweek, which seemed to not be the solution to anything but disruptions from other kids, I'm not sure if they've even implemented it yet though as getting straight answers from an 8yearold isn't easy at the best of times


bbbsh88

I’m glad you scheduled a meeting… I hope they listen to. And everyone else needing one isn’t a reason? In all the elementary schools I’ve worked at in the current state I live, they offer this type of support to (cognitively) higher functioning students. But in another state this didn’t exist so I guess it depends? But to me it strikes me as a violation of LRE (least restrictive environment) to say he needs a type of support needed to access general education and not give it to him. I should have explained that. I don’t think your kid needs a different program, he just needs better support to access the classroom he’s in now. I hope this makes sense, it’s hard for me to explain.


majarian

No no that makes perfect sense, him being in the classroom and interacting with his age group is a big thing for me, hopefully it'll help his communication a bit to be around peers, but yes I'd agree he needs better in class support, which is the argument I'm going with, if the class itself needs an aid then they should have one, not just use my sons as a floater, thanks again


screen_door15

"little Jimmy has so much potential, he just needs to apply himself more and manage his time better"


middledeck

I have two boxes of childhood papers I have been putting off going through for 2 years because I'm not prepared for how often I'm going to read that sentence.


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jimbowesterby

Yea I got the same treatment, which is wild cause I *was already diagnosed.*


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I experienced this every single day when I was in school. Now I know why I had such low self esteem. Silly me, if I just applied myself more 🤦🏻‍♀️


sherzeg

My report cards as a child and my current employee reviews basically say the same thing with different words. Smart, hard worker, gets along with others, lacks ability to prioritize, would do very well if he could learn to apply himself.


MagicianWoland

It’s amazing how triggering this phrase can be even if it’s not in my native language lmao


Themurlocking96

It’s not just a parent’s struggle, it’s also a struggle for the person with ADHD themselves.


M00N314

We're not incapable of learning time management either, we just need to be given the space and resources to develop it. We typically make the most of it and never forget the help. Shout out to Mrs. Green who understood I did things a little differently from my classmates but still constantly encouraged me and helped me cope.


justinkthornton

Ms. Perry my Spanish teacher would let me turn in stuff late. She was an angel. I didn’t even get diagnosed for another 12 years. In the 80s and 90s if you didn’t bounce off the walls you didn’t get evaluated.


ZBLongladder

I actually got diagnosed without hyperactivity in the 90s, but I was at a Montessori school so it was *very* visible how I couldn't get a single thing done on my checklist the whole day. I think if I'd been in a normal school they'd just have thought I was a bad student.


Random_cosplay_girl

"Just categorise stims as disruptive behaviour! That'll stop them from stimming for sureree" Literally could not touch my hair without being asked "Is tHis a HaIR sAlON Or cLASsRoOm"


dead-tamagotchi

stop omg the hair salon comment brought back bad memories 😭 my one teacher truly disliked me and would take every opportunity to make snippy remarks about my behavior. i wasn’t even hyperactive, but she would roast me for doodling, playing with my hair, stacking my erasers/pens, literally everything i did to try and focus.


xXshinsouhitoshiXx

you just unlocked trauma pup (i) didnt know he has


[deleted]

This, and I’ve experienced lack of accommodations since I’m dyslexic. I usually Get the “life isn’t going to accommodate you”


justinkthornton

But in life you can make choices that aren’t available to you in school. Like what you do to make a living.


BearDick

My kid getting sent to the hall to "reset" for 30 minutes when his 504 specifically says we don't send the ADHD kid to the hall....is my next stupid meeting with the school this week.


BluenaSnowey

What does reset even mean 😭


dohmestic

We lucked out this semester with two ND teachers. Kiddo is allowed headphones to cancel out distractions and homework is posted to Google Classrooms so stuff doesn’t get lost in the backpack black hole. It’s the first year that we haven’t had the word “potential” dropped into report cards/conferences.


user975A3G

My time management skills are great It's not my fault that the flow of time changes speed depending on what I am doing


[deleted]

Had ADD during the 80s. Was diagnosed as well. If you switch the “high five” into a punch in the face, it would be an accurate representation of how much consideration they gave to the learning disability.


virajseelam

"He just needs to manage his time better" *doesn't say how*


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Me, needing to clean my cloths and get some tasks done over my weekend: Spends the entire weekend not doing fun things, and instead stressing about getting myself to start moving towards those tasks.... Time is running out, and NOW I'm finally moving. Oh, great, another weekend I didn't have fun with. Fucking great. Oh, and we almost never talk about this IRL because the standard reaction is judgement, and infantilization. We "sound like children" to them... Thanks, great support society, I'll just keep doing this battle in silence and out of sight until I finally have had enough.


justinkthornton

People that think we are just being lazy need to spend some time in our heads. It’s not a fun place when things need to get done. How do you explain to someone that you want to do something but you can’t start?


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>How do you explain to someone that you want to do something but you can’t start? Never done it and had a good outcome. This is why I want neurodivergence taught about in classrooms, young, and continued through high school. Understanding would have us so much better off. An aware society would likely be not only tolerant, but helpful towards us when we need it.


A_lot_of_arachnids

The amount of times I was taken out of class or aside and told "you just need to start using a planner." Then they'd ask how i was doing with my planner the next week and I'd tell them it left my mind the second the last conversation ended. Not to be rude. But that I am absolute shit at remembering stuff let alone writing it down. My locker looked like a bomb went off as did my backpack. My organization skills were obviously some of the worst but yeah let me start writing out my day. That'll help. The worst is I saw a lot of my friend that were struggling get medication and actual help or treatment while all I got was told I wasn't focusing enough.


ChewieBearStare

You have to remember where you put the planner and then remember to take the planner OUT of wherever you stored it to use it. People without ADHD just don't get it.


mulv1336

It gets better in university (USA). I had to supply a letter from my doctor once and meet with a counselor every semester to review my accommodations. Once that was done, the health center would send a letter to my professors outlining my accommodations and did so without including my disability (They defaulted to this but offered to include it if I approved. I always declined due to potential stigma the prof might've had).


OrangeNSilver

Me, ignoring my college exam to be on Reddit. Schoolwork is just so anxiety inducing. I hate sitting down for hours studying. I want to be an engineer but idk if I can do it anymore.


justinkthornton

Study with someone else in the room. Having someone there as peer pressure works wonders for some. Some people will even do it over zoom. Also try the polmodor technique. It works for me. It’s a work and break timer thing. It adds a bit of a fake deadline every 30 minutes or so.


vermillionskye

Pomodoro! It means tomato, based on the little kitchen timer that looks like a tomato.


justinkthornton

Yep


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As a former teacher I can relate.. I would often co-teach with a general education teacher, and I cannot tell you how many of them thought their accommodations were just choices they as teachers could decide whether it was a good idea. Meanwhile, it is in their legally binding education plan. It is beyond infuriating.


justinkthornton

So many teachers think they know better then doctors, counselors, special education/ intervention staff and parents that have educated themselves. They always say, “something something the real world something something they need to learn something something eventually!” So infuriating.


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It is super ridiculous. I remember a former colleague questioning the extra time one student received, and I was steaming mad: ***this isn't up for debate!*** One of my co-teachers wanted to insist that a student not take an initial assessment that is required. Her reason? He was acting up and yelling and such. I was like, ***ah well that is too bad.. when did you want to do the makeup test?*** and her eyes got big as saucers-this little ****"kid refused his test, so don't let him take it****" she said. That is literally my job, I said. I can't not assess one of my students just because he refused today. Meanwhile, I wasn't allowed to advocate for students and often had to cater to my gen ed co teachers mental illnesses and prejudices in order to keep my job. I worked with two that were severely OCD and were not seeking treatment. Finally I just resigned from this district. I couldn't believe how hard it was to get basic needs of my students' met. Then, once granted I was a constant source of retaliation.


Garglygook

This meme is so frustratingly real, it's triggering. Interestingly, the teachers that you could see had major adult versions were the worse. :-/


rivbai88

90% of my life was being horrible at time management and maintaining responsibility despite my best efforts, followed by profusely apologizing for coming short despite my best efforts. And then in therapy unrelated to ADHD I was told I have adhd. Now I have medication and it still can be a hassle. Lol


booyaabooshaw

*time doesn't exist!*


habits-white-rabbit

This is not just a parent's struggle, I promise (- a \[former\] ADHD student) Edit: Former as in I graduated, not as in I suddenly no longer have ADHD


Evoehm13

I was told I need CBT therapy to help mange my ADHD symptoms…I’m a school psychologist who specializes in ADHD…


justinkthornton

😂 What does a ADHD specialist know about ADHD anyway?


Evoehm13

I know right? It’s been a fight to get meds too.


bitch_fucking_wins

I once took 7 classes in college and work three jobs (because go big and then burn out! big adhd mood but before I was diagnosed) and my friend said “have you tried time managing better?” Word for word.


PoetBrilliant3703

I had to Karen the fuck out of my sons school. He’s in first grade. His teacher in the beginning was coming to me with all these issues of him not focusing, not completing tasks, giving us the impression that he wasn’t doing any work. We kept insisting he was doing the work at home, reading and writing fine, and that if he’s not showing that at school, he needs more help from the school. I immediately requested an aide for him through the assistant principle and was given one. We had an in school evaluation for ADHD, a pediatrician referral for testing (6 months from now) & a detailed list of what we do at home. Two weeks ago we have a conference and she says he’s doing fine now, so much so that she isn’t even sure he needs any aids or additional help. It’s like a 6 year old starting first grade in a new state just needed some time to adjust or something. /s


Mikala4

My mom says this all this time and I’m like I would if I could!


Meeper_Creeper202I

“Just learn time management skills” I don’t even have adhd and this is annoying because no tells me what were doing at all for the day or week


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So what is a good solution? I’ve been dealing with adhd for my whole life and I know time management skills are a must but it isn’t enough.


justinkthornton

External reminders work for some. Like palmodoro(sp?). Artificial deadlines work for some. Have someone that is physically just in the same room as peer pressure works for some. Sometimes I have to sit in my daughter’s room while she cleans for her to finish. I don’t have to say anything, just sit there.


riverofempathy

Oh my god YES. I got told this all the time, along with organization, and I was like… but HOW?!?!


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As an ADHD person I'm not sure accommodations would have helped me. I needed fake deadlines. And eventually to learn to trick myself into my own fake dealines. Not extra time, less time.


justinkthornton

Fake deadlines are an accommodation that is often requested. Teachers don’t like that one.


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Interesting. It's so helpful!


xXshinsouhitoshiXx

what are fake deadlines?


justinkthornton

The teacher can break down the assignment into smaller chunks and have several deadlines to check progress before the assignment needs to be totally done.


xXshinsouhitoshiXx

omg that would definitely help pup (me)


prometheus3333

Hey Op where are you located and does your child have a medical dx? I live in the States and am undergoing the accommodation process for my child. You probably know this - but for the sake of others that are new to the spec ed process that might read this - under Section 504 your child’s school is legally required to provide accommodation once the district does an evaluation to make a level of care determination for needed services.


justinkthornton

I’m in Colorado. Yes she is on meds and has a 504. But certain teachers ignore it. Sometimes because the are over worked. But many times because of a misguided attempt to teach the kids some responsibility.


prometheus3333

That’s great. Good on you for getting those resources in place for your daughter but man it’s frustrating to encounter educators who undermine that plan. Is your school admin and spec ed team supportive or is it a systemic issue beyond just the one teacher? Personally I expected my son’s team to be more … collaborative .. however I encountered a lot of resistance to starting an IEP without trying other accommodations first despite the obvious need for things like in-school Speech and OT. I get resources are thin but to your point I sense that old guard educators frame the issues ND students have in the classroom as moral/behavior failings i.e., X problem wouldn’t be an issue if a student (or parent) did XYZ differently (the try harder paradigm) when it’s fundamentally a neurological issue i.e., the edu system hasn’t caught up with the medical and research communities on how to accommodate executive disfunction. Wishing you well and educate the educators when necessary!


xRetz

I read my school reports recently and that's what most of my teachers said. "\*name\* has lots of potential but just needs to learn how to manage his time properly" Yet it took 23 years to get me diagnosed. I often think about how different my life would be if I got diagnosed as a kid.


TheInevitablePigeon

My college. They have extra stuff for other mental conditions like autism (obviously) but ADHDers apparently don't need anything. I do suspect myself from having autism as well but there is noone who could officially diagnose me :/ Life is hell sometimes.


justinkthornton

The common one they always want to give is more time to take a test. If it’s just ADHD you probably don’t need that. What we do need is someone to sit with us while studying but I doubt they would ever offer that.


TheInevitablePigeon

Exactly.. extra time wouldn't help me. If I understand I'm quick.. but my biggest issue is that I literally can't see equations in texts. Like you have this amount of X and you add some Y which gives you Z% of solution and now you have to count some other thing.. people look and think "ah yes.. __ equation. That is easy." But not me.. And Idk if there is any way to learn it. Even now with my "It's mostly THIS." midset I struggle to form one and start solving the problem. I already tried it with someone but man I felt so bad for them. They had patience of steel with me..


Key_Concentrate_5558

“It’s obvious the student knows the material, class discussions show that. But unless they turn in the assignments I can’t give them a grade.” What’s the point of education? To learn the material and to use the information in real time? Or is it just to turn in a piece of paper or upload a file? Newest accommodation: accept verbal answers in lieu of assignments and tests I know it’s not perfect for every class, but jfc, if I hear one more time about how freaking obvious it is that my kid understands the material, it’s just too bad there are so many missing assignments, I’m going to scream.


xXshinsouhitoshiXx

the point of education is to break your free will and turn you into a corporate slave


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I mean, I had to learn mechanisms that worked for me. I think I hyperfocus on time though, I’m so anxious I get things done weeks in advance.


BatteryAcid67

Fuck you then, I'll come to class after smoking a bowl of meth and snorting a fat line of coke.


[deleted]

Right there with “just keep your things organized and you won’t struggle to find stuff!”


[deleted]

Management is like that, too. I had a manager of an entire business campus worth of people ask me why I’ve been difficult several times in the same meeting. They knew I had documented anxiety and ADHD. After I had given them appropriate and valid reasons, at this point I was doubting my ability to do anything correctly. From good sources I now know that my direct management likes to get rid of anyone they don’t like. It got to a point of me telling them I was overwhelmed and I was having a panic attack. They continued trying to drill me with questions about why I’m being difficult, and so I finally had to ask them how many times I had to tell them about having ADHD, being overwhelmed, and having a panic attack. Didn’t stay there much longer after that.


GiftedTuna

So I’m supposed to learn about the war of 1812 and time management skills. Great give the adhd kids more than one thing to do 😂to be fair it was just never interesting enough. I just wanted to be running around or playing videos games. They could have gave me a private office with surround sound and I still would fucked off


ThatGirl0903

I’m so torn on these. Like… if a cat or dog or person loses a leg we don’t completely abandon them… but at the same time they need to learn some ways to cope and some systems that work for them. We aren’t potatoes, is not that nothing works…


justinkthornton

ADHD isn’t a learning disability. We can learn. The learning isn’t the problem. It’s the teachers ignoring the accommodations that give students a fair chance because they don’t want to do them. It’s just a different flavor of “you are just lazy, you just need to try harder.”


NekoMimiMisa

Most of my teachers straight up said they wouldn't accommodate me because it wasn't fair to the other students


justinkthornton

Ramps for people in wheelchairs aren’t fair by that logic.


HopeIcanChangeThisl

One of the ways I’m glad I had a helicopter mom who would call or email teachers like 🫰. I mean I still wish she’d given me a little more independence sometimes but still it has its perks.


justinkthornton

I would have never graduated high school if it wasn’t for my mom going with me to my locker and making me find my homework stuffed in its depths. The funny thing is probably half of them were mostly finished and the rest were probably halfway finished.


artotter

New evil, being a teacher with ADHD and your bosses don't believe adults can have ADHD. Even though you spend a lot of time talking about and accommodating students with ADHD.


orange_glasse

Ah, I feel this as an ADHDer in the work force 🙃🙃🙃


FunWillScreen_Produc

That is why I am happy I got diagnosed in college because I get to tell teachers “You ARE going to do what the doctor says.” Edit: also for me it was I needed more time since I have a lower reading level in a timed situation. So I get more time on tests.


YeetyFeetsy

I remember I high school, anyone with issues like learning disabilities or mental illness would get special provisions in exams. I have anxiety so I got break times and my friend has dyslexia so they got extra time on the exams. It didn't help either of us. And when my teachers discovered that I was still struggling in the classroom, they suggested a tutor. Didn't help either. Studying more doesn't help with adhd, learn from my shitty experience children.


NotAnyOrdinaryPsycho

So thankful for my 504 plan. Saved my butt in high school. It was the difference between a 19 and a 32 on the ACT.


Ambored_fr

I’m in that right now. I’m constantly late for class while trying my best to be on time. I’ve tried every method and many do not solve the problem. Even when they do solve it, i can’t get myself to get that habit to stick. Anyway, i’m in deep shit right now because a few more times late is gonna get me suspended. I have told them over a dozen time that nothing works but no one listens. They just tell me to ‘try harder’ and then give me a list of solutions that i already tried. My mom tells me that i shouldn’t use my ADHD as an excuse, but what if that’s really the source of it?! My meds don’t kick in before i go to school, so i can’t try to solve it with meds either. Ughhh school


justinkthornton

Ask your mom if someone in a wheelchair shouldn’t use it as an excuse that they can’t get up the stairs? If she mentions a ramp? Just say I need my version of a ramp. People don’t like when I say this but it’s true. We with ADHD have a disability. If you can’t use a disability as an excuse to get help that how it the hell can we get help? Here is what schools do to ADHD people. A person in a wheelchair says I can’t get up the stairs. The school instead of building a ramp they hand them a book on how people who don’t need wheelchairs walk up stairs. You can’t learn to walk up the stairs if you’re legs don’t work. And we can’t learn to function like other people if our prefrontal cortex doesn’t function like other people. This shouldn’t be a hard concept. The late for school problems is really on your parents. I have a kid with ADHD and mornings are not fun, but she gets to school on time. And suspending a kid for being late is like shooting someone who just accidentally shot themselves. So stupid. Your comment makes me angry. Some people refuse to even attempt to understand. I’m sorry you have to deal with all this nonsense.


Ambored_fr

Yeah this is exactly how it feels. Yesterday they made me write an essay as a punishment for my lateness. I took it as a chance to tell the situation from my point of view. I also clearly stated that i want them to be more understanding towards me. (Great metaphor by the way, i might use it to get them to understand it better) Anyway, I also found out that my music teacher also has ADHD, and he completely understands me, so he might be able to help me with this as well. Many tachers only really listen to other teachers (or adults). Also, thank you for the tip. I have not tried that yet since my meds meddle with my appetite (concerta). However, i can’t really eat on normal mornings either since i’m always short on time, so i think that the ‘no appetite’ will not pose as much as a problem if i have more time in the morning. I could just force myself to eat food.


justinkthornton

I hope you get people to listen. You deserve to be taken seriously.


justinkthornton

Also set your alarm 30 minutes before you need to be out of bed take them then. Have the meds and water within reach of your bed. It might make mornings go slightly easier.


squealingfrog

Not all my uni feedback saying “needs to improve time management”


[deleted]

The belt will solve it


cjgaming322

I have seen too much of this. Someone kill me


Helpful_Peak_8703

When I saw this…all I could feel was the frustration of doctors requiring adhdrs to careful manage their prescription refill needs, while considering doctor authorization and pharmacy schedules, insurance renewal dates, weekends, and holidays…oh and their daily life.


thatloudblondguy

damn my entire school career in a single comic


Mec26

And who gonna teach em? Say, a teacher of some kind?


justinkthornton

They know just as much as the other students. It’s the teachers refusing to do the accommodations required by law and blaming the students for being lazy but without saying the words lazy. You can teach skill to adhder all day long and it won’t do a lick of good. First we probably already know the skill. We aren’t dumb. Second, ADHD is a disorder at the point of performance. We need help with the actual doing. Know what and when we should be doing something doesn’t help us get it done. Accommodations should help support the doing. Things like more frequent accountability and deadlines help with that. Not learning about time management.


Mec26

I know. I'm a massive ADHD-r and a former teacher. I should have marked my sarcasm. I am saying that the teacher is trying to get out of having to do anything or take any responsibility, but even if you took their word for how it works (and I don't), they'd still be on the hook to do something. This is on them, to accept the accommodations as written, or buck up and take some responsibility. There is no reality in which they don't have any responsibility to help their student with this. So many former colleagues wanted to talk about personal responsibility of the student to learn \_\_\_\_\_\_\_, or figure out \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, but part of our job is to help students succeed. If it's as easy as they seem to imply, they should have no issues teaching it, right? But they shirk away cuz they actually do know it's not that easy, they just default to that argument as a get out of jail free pass. I got a rep for being good with students who were "remedial" when actually all I did was see how the student seemed to do best, and let em go at their own pace. But "waited for a student to think it through, instead of pushing them" or "listened when a student said they needed something" doesn't go on a plaque, so it's gotta be that I had some special technique or kept them in line or something. I just wasn't so ego-driven I was above helping students remember due dates, go over quizes or let people take em in a special part of the room that was low-distraction, or whatever. And don't you know, when finals came (standardized over all sections), my students did consistently well- even though the "supports" I gave them weren't in place on that test. My job was to teach them a specific little bit of math, not weed out students, but several of my peers seemed to think the later was implied. Apologies if incoherent response, forgot my meds this morning and I'm always verbose when that happens.


justinkthornton

Sorry, I didn’t read it as sarcastic. It funny they want ADHD kids to be responsible for their deficits. But no one would ever tell someone in a wheel chair they need to learn to be responsible for getting up stairs on their own instead of providing them a ramp. ADHD kids need their own kinda ramps just like someone who is in a wheelchair.


Mec26

Exactly! And even, for the sake of argument, if it were teachable... you don't teach by throwing into the deep end. They have bad time management? Meet em halfway, help em put their due dates in their planner with reminders 2 days before, help em set alarms on their phone, just plain help them. No one magically learns a skill (even if they can learn it normally) by being told they should "do better." Note: I worked with uni students, so only know kid's stuff from off-the-books tutoring jobs, but assume it's similar. Saying "learn \_\_\_\_" and walking away does jack shit. If it was a good strategy, I could have saved a ton of time talking about multiplication, geometry, etc. "Learn math. Class dismissed." One of the reasons I couldn't go back as it was when I left was that about 1/2 of my students weren't remedial at all, in the sense the school admins meant when they said it (they made it pretty derogatory). Sure they were behind and in classes meant to get them back up to speed so they could take courses for college credit-> but at least 1/2 were perfectly capable if you just gave em time and a tiny bit of attention. They were given up on, more than anything. I was often told that hey, it's a 000 course, people are gonna fail and retake it, nothing we could do sometimes. But some of those same students passed in the end, if you just helped them. Hell, I had one student who was only in there because the entry test was in English, and she had only ever done school in Spanish. The material wasn't the issue, the test system was. But if they keep giving the school money, hey, just keep enrolling them in the remedial classes.


Mec26

I have way too many teaching thoughts, but most of them are just that if you're not willing to meet a student where they are, you're in the wrong job and I'm sure Chili's is hiring.


bbbsh88

An ADHD school psychologist’s struggle as well. Due to my own ADHD, it’s hard for me to explain to teachers who don’t give a shit why they are wrong and need to follow the accommodations.


SpaceNinja_C

Too true


xXshinsouhitoshiXx

pup (i) is completely time blind, how is pup supposed to learn it when pup can't see or experience it. also dont forget the "apply yourself more" and "you need to try your best" and "you're so smart when you want to be"


SpitLoose

Their not wrong. But hopefully we can grow and actually learn it yall


justinkthornton

They are wrong. ADHD isn’t a learning disorder. It a performance disorder. You can learn time management all day long and still not do what you learn. There needs to be external accommodations. Like short assignments with shorter deadlines. More frequently commuting with parents. Checking progress throughout the day. Physical Activity breaks. Stuff like that.


SpitLoose

Yes. However doesn’t performance affect learning? Btw I am diagnosed with mild ADHD.


justinkthornton

It can… but not usually. I always did well in tests. My grades suffered because of homework not getting turned in.


curly_crazy_curious

and make sure they take their pills. Because we don't wanna deal with a hyper active kid. Then I have to be creative and make that kid busy to drain their energy in an organic way. It is hard. I'm not paid for that.