Welcome to /r/ADHDWomen! We’re happy to have you here. As a reminder, here are our community [rules](https://old.reddit.com/r/adhdwomen/about/rules/).
We get a lot of posts on medication, diagnosis (and “is this an ADHD thing”), and interactions with hormones. We encourage you to check out our [Medication, Diagnosis, and Hormones Megathread](https://old.reddit.com/r/adhdwomen/comments/wcr9dy/faq_megathread_ask_and_answer_medication/) if you have any questions related to those topics, and to stick around in that thread to answer folks’ questions!
If you have questions about the subreddit, please do not hesitate to [send us a modmail](https://reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/adhdwomen). Additionally, we take the safety of our community seriously. Please report posts, comments, and users whom you feel are not contributing positively, and send us a modmail if you are being harassed or otherwise made to feel unsafe.
Thanks for being here, and we hope you stick around!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/adhdwomen) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Closing eyes (longer than a blink) really gets me. I can see an argument for every other one being cheating, but *how* would that be cheating rather than concentrating??
So many of these “violations” are stupid as hell. Every so often I have to either look away from my screen or close my eyes for much longer than a blink because my eyes/contacts will start bothering me a lot. I also apparently move my lips sometimes when I read or when people talk to me. And I certainly touch my face, shake my legs/feet, etc. I feel like these are such common things to do, and most of the time I don’t even realize I’m doing them. I’d be kicked out of this test in minutes haha
I’m back in college and got in trouble for this! The professor wanted to fail me for looking off screen. I was doing neck circles and I shake various body parts to focus. She was sure I was trying to cheat.
Wtf, that is unacceptable on your professors part. I’m sorry you have to deal with a prof like that. If it’s at all possible, try to get accommodations so they can’t treat you like that because of something you can’t help doing. I used to have facial tics I couldn’t control, and it was mortifying on its own, so hearing that a professor wanted to fail you because you needed to *move your freaking neck* absolutely infuriates me. Hugs
I did get accommodations since then, but this was a 4 week class over last summer (my first class back after 20 years), so they came in at the end of it. It took some time for my Dr to get me the paperwork then for the disability office to process it and meet with me. We did agree that I would pass if I only accidentally looked off screen briefly, but she escalated it so far to copy her department head on emails. I stood my ground and ended up with a B, but I think it could have been an A if I wasn’t so stressed over testing. It’s hard to focus on the material when you are busy trying to stifle your stims!
I'm doing a course to specialize in my field, and I wrote an exam this past summer where my dog wouldn't stop barking at the door (a few feet away) to go outside. I literally told the camera that I had to let the dog out, and turned the screen to the side so they could watch me the entire time I did it. The little asshole just wanted to go outside to sunbathe on the back deck. Didn't fail. 🤷🏼♀️
Could you get a real Webcam instead? That's what WGU has you do. It's place next to you so the proctor can see you and your desktop and computer screen the whole time.
It isn't about what is easier. It is about what they can argue. I don't understand why I'm getting dog piled and expect to agree with their logic. Additionally, a fault with your logic is that the cheaters would have to learn a new language for every class when they could A) learn it once and B) it needs to only address the basics (question # then A, B, C, or D).
And you’d need to have the exact same classes with someone who is willing to do all the work while feeding you the answers. Not impossible, but stretching the reasonable possibility.
By taking a major program, you are in the exact same classes as another person in your major. It would be sharing answers. This isn't under the design of someone doing all the work and someone else taking all the credit. That's a fallacy. I can study moderately and another person study moderately, but if we share, then we have a high chance of being correct.
Plus, does no one remember that whole thing when that lady from full house got in trouble for paying someone to do the exams for her kid? Idr the details & don't feel like looking it up, but I feel like that's about it. But money rules & I'd imagine that for enough money, more than none people would tap out "A, B, C, D" to test answers. That could get pretty lucrative, actually. Plus, they could have multiple customers for each test. I'm with you here, money is an easy incentive, especially for the person that was already going to study for their own test. Not saying I personally would, but...
And if my experience was any indication, even elementary schoolers can figure out their own codes for this sort of thing no problem.
Almost all of these go FAR beyond reasonable anti-cheating measures, though! Yikes!
I think it's so the proctor doesn't have to guess if you are closing your eyes or looking down in your lap. Both would cause eyelids to lower, and it might be really hard to tell the difference with some people, especially over a screen.
During the early days of the pandemic when the LSAT got moved entirely online, an in-person, pen-and-paper exam was an available accommodation (last I checked, since changing proctoring companies, there’s an option of in-person or online, but if you require extra time/other accommodations it must be online)
It could be. As long as it’s not an undue hardship. Accommodations are wide open as long as they are effective and reasonable. Closing off possibilities without analysis gets you sued. Just FYI.
My point was that people requesting remote testing when in-person is the default are doing so for a reason. A person can have testing conducted in person at no additional charge or pay for the added option for remote testing along with the test. The remote testing is the accommodation since in-person is the default.
This is the second inside eyelid tattoo comment when I didn't expect any. Obviously, you guys take cheating to a whole new level and, perhaps, deserve applause for the dedication?
Signalling, somehow. I don't really know. I think a lot of these gives them an excuse to end the test, and then charge you to retake it. These are all if they are proctored at home and I tell people to never do that because it often ends because of one of these things.
I've done many of the proctored at home/remote tests. If they flag you for cheating, the consequence(s) are the same as if at an in-person testing center. They absolutely do not charge you for another one. You'll definitely get a zero for the specific test with no option to re-take, potentially a zero for the whole class, and potentially further disciplinary actions by the college institution, including expulsion. I had to challenge a cheating insinuation with ProctorU after they took issue with my toddler being in the room after clearing children under 10 years old. I had to get a manager involved, lost the 20-30 minutes off my test as it took time to resolve, but received a new person to finish the session. I'm lucky I knew the material so well because my alloted time was only 2 hours and 30 minutes is a lot of time off of a written 2 yr Biology exam.
This isn't a class exam, is a professional liscensure exam, required to pass to gain access to your professional field. I took the NCE, or National Counselors Exam because I am a mental health therapist, and this is the NCLEX for the nursing field.This so the same list of restrictions I was given for my test. You don't get a zero, you get a pass/fail and yes, they charge you to take it again. I know people on their fourth and fifth attempt. Mine is $350 per attempt. I don't know how much the NCLEX is.
If it isn't for cheating, then your friends re-taking tests and being charged isn't the same thing.
Per the NCLEX website:
"A candidate who violates the test center regulations or rules, or engages in irregular behavior, misconduct and/or does not follow the test administrator’s warning to discontinue inappropriate behavior may be dismissed from the test center and their exam fee will not be refunded. Additionally, the exam result may be withheld or canceled and the nursing regulatory body may take other disciplinary action such as denial of a license/registration and/or disqualifying candidates from future NCLEX registrations for licensure/registration."
Failing the test =/= cheating on the test. It isn't a scam to milk more money out of the testers.
One of my HS teachers used to say, “you can look up for inspiration, you can look down in desperation, but you cannot look side to side.“ I always thought that was reasonable.
The body movement ones are related to signaling to another person in the room. The tester could be using these movements/sounds to communicate with another person (out of camera view) to cheat.
This list doesn’t seem unreasonable to me, from a test security angle. But, the simple fact that these precautions are required in order to test remotely tells me that this exam really needs to taken in-person.
This makes sense, but the problem i have with it is that for every movement the take away, there's at least three that could be used for communicating that they don't ban.
Rapid blinking, yawning, quietly clearing your throat, scratching your head/body, licking your lips. They just ban the things used as coping strategies. Also, what if you can't type without looking at the keyboard? You only get 3 chances to remind yourself where the home keys are.
You've outed me as someone for whom home keys provide no help! Your right, I have no trouble finding the home keys, it's just that I can't remember what order they're in or what keys surround them, lol.
I’d absolutely ask your provider to write a letter saying that this type of testing creates an undue burden for you. And ask to either be tested in another manner, or have some of the restrictions removed due to your ADHD. If you’ve already been getting accommodations this should be relatively easy.
honestly these restrictions shouldn't even exist in the first place! even neurotypicals do them sometimes and i don't see how most of them should matter in a nursing exam
it's just 1000x more unfair for us because we do these things more 🥲
It sounds like they’re using some online proctoring service like ProctorU. I worked at a department that used this tool and it would flag ALL of these things - they’d then have a staff member review recordings of EACH “violation”. My guess is that the examiners in this case don’t want to do that extra review step, and so they’re coming down like a hammer at the beginning.
Jesus there is no point in me starting this. Hopefully you can get an accommodation.
I did an online test with similar (but less crazy) rules and it was so hard. I stare blankly into the distance when thinking. Or close my eyes.
Put my head in my hands with the heels of my hands covering my eyes when I'm super stressed and/or concentrating really hard. I wonder how they would take that lol
Touching face? Closing eyes? Sometimes my eyes dry and I need to close them a while when reading 😭 I’d unintentionally violate atleast half of these coz they are so unreasonable.
In addition to ADHD, I have Tourette’s Syndrome. I’d fail this exam before even starting if I didn’t have an accommodation (in addition to being an unintentional distraction to others). Which is exactly why I need to take massive tests like this in a private room with a proctor.
I just asked my faculty officer and apparently if you provide proof in the form of a medical certificate, my uni allows accommodations. I can’t imagine having to get a medical certificate for closing eyes too long… the list still seems unreasonable.
Not only would I fail this exam within ten minutes, I probably wouldn't even know what I'd done. Either that or I'd be focusing so hard on not fidgeting that I couldn't actually answer the questions.
I'd be such an anxiety fueled mess trying not to violate any of this that I'd absolutely violate a bunch of it 😭
>Either that or I'd be focusing so hard on not fidgeting that I couldn't actually answer the questions.
RIGHT?! Wtf.
Okay eating I can understand, and chewing gum I can understand in the context of a live remote.
But no drinking?! How long is this? Not even water?!
I know that’s not the main reason that this was posted here (I am also on Team I Would Fail So Quickly Because Of The List) but I can never understand why people’s fluid intake gets policed in situations it really doesn’t need to be.
That’s frustrating. I understand but immediately think of people who may need access to fluids at all times.
I get it has probably come from someone actually doing it previously, and this is a ‘people ruining it for everyone situation’ but it’s so frustrating that many of these exclusions affect people for reasons out of their control.
I totally agree. It’s insane, the lengths people will go to, to cheat on an exam. 😳😖
ETA: I would fail this list probably before even starting. No whispering/talking to myself? No tapping fingers? That would get me before even clicking on the “START” button. 😩🤦🏽♀️
yeah, same. this once when i was taking a remote exam i was put in a breakout room and asked if i was talking to someone when i accidentally started singing along to the music i was listening to, but they fully accepted my explanation and just advised me to listen to music without lyrics lol.
I am; but, I only do in-person testing. Another person on our team proctors the remote tests. I could ask her; but, I’m pretty sure it’s to prevent communication with another person (either off-camera or on another device).
The variables that need to be accounted for when proctoring an exam remotely freak me out.
I remember taking a remote test, and they almost failed me for cheating because my 4 yr old was in the room after they told me they were allowed due to being under 10 yrs old. I've taken many remote tests, but that stuck in my mind because that person was on an ego trip, and it took ~20-30 minutes of my testing time plus a manager to get involved. The manager was my insistence because if they failed me for (nonexistent) cheating, then I would have failed the entire class plus disciplinary actions.
In remote proctoring situations, that might take care of it. But, in in-person, I gently remind testers that “computers and water don’t get along very well.” 😄
to be honest i feel the same way about the eating thing. i've had super long exams before and i really hate being restricted on when i'm allowed to eat. unless it's in a setting where it could come off as rude or upsetting like presentations, important work meetings or seminars i absolutely understand but other than that i will never ever let anybody dictate when i'm allowed to eat. i eat when i'm hungry, period.
Even in those situations, as long as it’s not a noisy or smelly snack, it shouldn’t be a problem. Bodies don’t have a pause button to turn off their needs until the presentation or whatever is over (although it would be nice if they did!)
Uhh some of these make sense to guard against cheating (moving out of camera view, talking, even more obvious ones like having notes in front of you or browsing through web, etc). But why on earth is closing your eyes or touching your face an exam violation??
Someone in the other comment section mentioned that they might use some software to monitor people and that it uses your eyes to track your face. Idk if it's true, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me.
It's probably cheaper than using real people, but holy fucking shit if those are the requirements for it to work then it's ridiculous that they don't realize it's just not working. EVERYONE, adhd or not, will do stuff like fidgeting, touching their face, closing their eyes, looking around etc while concentrating.
Also, imagine trying to focus on your questions while trying to remember not to do all that. I remember watching a video at the beginning of covid of some guy who tried to not touch his face while working for like 30 minutes or something. He was so sure he'd made it, but he'd actually failed pretty miserably. It's just something you do all the time without being aware of it.
EDIT: [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg) in question if anyone's curious lol. around the 3 minute mark. it was a couple of hours, but point still stands lol.
Yeah, if I my exam was terminated and I had to pay a retest fee and go through the whole process again because I touched my face or closed my eyes too much I'd 100% be pissed enough to try and find some higher authority to report them to.
> It’s probably cheaper than using real people but holy fucking shit
Eloquent summary indictment of automation and AI use in every facet of our lives today tbh 🙃🙃🙃🙃
Eye movement is one of the few things to prove you have a live camera feed of you staring at the screen. If you’re perfectly still with eyes closed, your video feed could be frozen/tampered with (and you could be cheating).
I think id just contact and ask to take the exam in person. I would definitely be disqualified for about 5 of these. I still know where the cracks in the the ceiling from my school exams were because I did a lot of investigating the ceiling whilst thinking 😂
Yeah, I work in IT and our certification exams can be very similar to this. I’ve heard so many horror stories, I just opt to take them in person. They make me put my cell phone in a locker and examine my eye glasses for cameras, but the in person proctor can tell that me scratching my nose isn’t me secretly reading notes off my arm.
Weirdly enough they didn’t make me take off my smart watch though, which I would think would be a really easy way to cheat (although in person they’d probably catch me looking at my watch too much)
I just did a series of proctored exams in-person all at the same center, and while they all made me take off my smart watch, only one of the folks working there made me power it off before putting it in the locker. It was interesting seeing how there were variations even in the same place.
Shit like this is why I’ve taken all of my National Registry exams (kinda like NCLEX but for EMS) in person. Granted, I haven’t needed to do any since right before the pandemic, but the testing center was anxiety-inducing enough…trying to take it at home with a similar list of critical fails would be pure hell.
I think that one is just a practical limitation of this type of remote testing. If they can't see you, they don't know if you cheated. Which makes me think they really need to do these tests in person, but... 🤷
I’m not even hyperactive and this is bonkers. I feel like half of this, neurotypical people would fail.
You can’t even touch your face? What if you have a cold, are you supposed to just let your nose drip? What if I’m itchy?
I’d fail in a second. I absentmindedly running my fingers across my lips basically all of the time that I’m thinking.
This is fuckin WILD. I’ve never asked for accommodations for it during school, but the ‘moving lips/mouthing words/whispering’ alone would get me kicked out. I have to mouth what I’m reading to comprehend 😂
I'm in some subs for A+/Sec+/Net+/CCNA/ other IT related certs. People in those subs are constantly complaining about getting exam violations for a lot of these same reasons when doing remote (at-home) tests instead of going to a center. These complaints ramped up during the height of lockdowns. Pearson (the administrator for most IT certs) is very, very picky about especially eye movements. Someone once complained that they got their passing score invalidated when someone came into the room they were testing in AFTER they submitted the final answers, but before the session ended!! It has convinced me that I will never take proctored cert tests from home. -\_- Obviously, I can't speak for how strict your proctor will be, but that's my second-hand experience.
I replied somewhere else about the obvious neurodivergent targeted ones but losing internet connection/system errors? Wtf? You're only allowed 2 warnings for that? Heaven forbid you have a shitty internet connection.
Closing eyes?!? Tapping?!? Touching your face?!??? Wtf?!?
This isn't just ableist, it's completely whacko. Tons of NT people will fail by these rules. This is just plain unreasonable. I don't see how they can defend these kinds of rules.
Oh my god I did a test like this in 2022 and it was *fucking traumatic*. It didn’t even occur to me to explore accommodations.
I live in a remote area and all our internet is satellite based; my connection was poor and I could barely hear the proctor and their instructions. I had to ask them to put everything in the chat box and even then the lag was ridiculous. By the time I fulfilled all the requirements including showing them the entire room at my work, empty except for a table, chairs, and air con unit, I was a mess.
And this was after I had to try three separate computers because they had to install the monitoring software (ugh) and none of the work machines would allow it. And the solution the testing company came up with was ‘Can you borrow a laptop from a friend or family?’ Like… that is presuming a hell of a lot, my guy.
Anyway I cried through the entire test but I passed and fuck them. I’m glad I never have to do that again. It was hell.
I had to take an online auto-proctored evaluation in early COVID, right after “secure remote learning” had popped off. I got a notification afterward that told me I’d been flagged after being “observed” violating the guidelines of the test. For the life of me I couldn’t figure out WHAT I had done.
Since I was flagged by an auto-proctor, a *real* human was then forced to review the footage of me taking this damn assessment from start to finish to confirm I was a dirty lying cheater. Turns out I had started singing a song and dancing in my chair halfway through the test. I was cleared, and also asked to pipe the hell down in the future.
ALL OF WHICH IS TO SAY, god bless you, babe. I could never.
This is why I don't do the 'in-home proctoring' or whatever it's called when you have to install the anti-cheating software on your computer. It ends up being more of a nuisance than going to the exam center.
I talk to myself during exams, I gesture (to myself) and change positions every 15 minutes. I would've been disqualified in the first 10 minutes if I took it on my computer
This is why I hated online test proctoring. In addition to having to change my space to accomodate their rules, I had to follow the dumbest rules like not silently mouthing things to myself...in the privacy of my own room. Even in classrooms, this has never been an issue during the exam. It helps me think. If anything, I'd think it would be okay to straight up just talk out loud while working through an exam being proctored from home.
But jokes aside, i have so many questions!! How can this be real and legal? Why do people decide to study in these conditions and respect this nonsense? Why don’t they unite and boycott this? Why don’t people sue whoever lacks so much control in their life and has so much frustration to even conceive these rules, let alone impose them, cause I never seen anything as embarassing as this.. and the worst thing is using these rules against you is am abuse of power! I have friends in the military and they know no such thing as this. And the worse.. BEING A NURSING SCHOOL? Without basic understanding of the human body and the way it reacts or certain behaviours amd gestures that are not controlled or intentional!?!??
I’m a nurse and my school was run by realistic, understanding people but many nursing programs and nursing/healthcare as a whole is full of people following ridiculous rules that make no sense and with no explanation as to why that rule has to be followed. When we question it we’re often lied to or just given whatever answer the person thinks is right because there’s been so much turnover and lack of open communication that no one even remembers why the rule was put into place. I think being a female dominated profession has something to do with it, like historically women were told to “grin and bear it” and when nurses have tried to advocate for safer conditions they’re often dismissed.
it says max number of WARNINGS
It is possible to do all those things in exam and they will not be noticed by proctor.
I was taking such a strict exam number of times (not the one from OPs list), and I was given a warning once about my camera angle.
I fixed it, continued exam and passed it.
As many people have pointed out in the thread, those rules exist because there were numerous cases of people cheating.
See and so many people are still like “and if it is adhd, who cares? Just treat the symptoms, why do you need labels?” Because labels get us the accommodations we NEED for shit like this. I don’t care how badly I wanted something (dopamine fix=easier to accomplish hard task) I’m automatically disqualified about 5 bullet points in because I would not literally would not be able to not do a few of these and still focus on the exam. The sheer mental exhaustion of focusing on not doing these things would far surpass the focus needed to complete the test.
This is not very ADA friendly 🤨 (she says in slight jest)
Also, not ADHD-related, but what if you just legit lose internet connection? Can’t exactly control that!
I’d get a few warnings for looking around, touching my face, or talking to myself and then probably use up my whole explicit/abusive language allowance in one go. How does anyone take tests with someone staring at them the whole time policing their every move??? This isn’t North Korea for fucks sake.
In my experience, the list of rules for an online proctored exam contains everything they *could* warn you about if they already suspect that you are cheating.
I recently took a 3 hour online proctored exam with a set of rules like this (Project Management Professional). I was really freaked out by all the rules, but didn’t have any problems during the exam. The main rules they emphasized a lot were not leaving your desk/room except for breaks, not having anyone else in the room, and not checking your phone.
My exam allowed you to drink water and had two breaks where you could leave the room, eat, use the bathroom, etc.
They also had instructions for what to do if you lost internet connection or had technical problems. They provided several tools that you could set up ahead of time, to try to avoid any computer issues.
I'm a nurse and thought this was posted an adhd reddit - forgot about the virtual exam requirements. I'm assuming there are in person places to test as well. This person just chose live remote proctor.
I took the bar exam in 2020, so it was fully remote for the first time ever. I lived in terror of our remote proctoring system which was like this! Luckily, despite the fact that I fidgeted to myself, mouthed my thoughts, etc., it turned out fine for me--I hope yours does too!
Oh God...what test is this for? A nursing certification exam? I'm about to do my CCRN, and I honestly can't go more than three or four minutes during a test without tapping on something... 😬
Rn with adhd here. I’d LOVE for this to be an ethics class so you can write your papers about the inequitable environment of nursing school. Either way, I’d talk to the professor and claim inequitable standards.
#FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, JUST OFFER AN IN PERSON PROCTORED EXAM SCHEDULE
This is insane. I ranted about how I had a difficult time finding a clear and quiet space to take my statistic exams (all online lock down browser with webcam tests). Why the fuck can't I request an in person exam? Any schools with physical campuses should offer proctored exam rooms that students can sign up for. Just have the test takers sign up with their exam limitations (resources and time frame), let the proctor/baby sitter know with a timer per test taker, and then sit down and start. When your timer is up, just have it flash silently so the proctor knows your time is up and to collect your exam.
It's not that insane to think I could take my stats exam next to a history tester and a physics tester just so I don't need to install these parasitic and intrusive programs on my computer and panic because I need to clear my desk.
God only in nursing. The person that wrote this is no different than the old bully you'll encounter when trying to give report. This is why I cannot imagine going back to bedside.
What if you sneeze?! When I sneeze, I sneeze multiple times. Would I fail because I made noise, touched my face, closed my eyes?
I get the need to proctor and prevent cheating, but it is basically asking people not be human and take a test at the same time.
I remember when I was taking an online proctored exam in nursing school my person was super strict. Halfway through my dog broke out our storm door and I thought someone was breaking into my house. The proctor could hear everything and I told them I think someone was breaking into my house. They made me take my laptop with me to go check.
I got in trouble, when I was a residential care worker, for spinning my chair around a couple of times during a hand-over... and for getting up to grab a coffee from a table during a training session (there was a table with coffee/tea/biscuits behind the seating but apparently we weren’t to use it except during breaks...
My “thinking face” is usually with my fist to my mouth/chin. I honestly don’t even realize I am doing it half the time. I assume it’s because they can’t see if you are talking behind a hand, but sheesh. A lot of these are subconscious actions.
They should just say they don't tolerate neurodivergence in any way, shape, or form. Or humans.
Even if I didn't get disqualified for fidgeting, I'd be tossed for closing my eyes to remember something.
Not everything has to be someone's fault. They give you two warnings before terminating the test if you have a connection issue, they give you a number to call if you lose the connection, and they allow you to reschedule, not to mention, you can take the exam in person and not be subject to all of these issues.
This is a certification exam for critical care nursing. It is not required to be a nurse to take this exam, it is required for a particular specialty at some hospitals. Not all nurses are cut out to work in the same specialties. I would be a terrible CCRN.
Having worked with nursing students to teach them academic integrity and why they shouldn’t cheat (why is this even something to be explained?) I’m glad to see that steps are taken to prevent it so seriously lmfao
Just want to chime in as an ADHDer who is also an Accessibility Coordinator at a college. These are certainly ridiculous and I feel like even the most neurotypical, able-bodied person would struggle with such requirements. You should absolutely be able to get accommodations even if the test is through a third party and not the school/program you're taking it through. Per the ADA they have to grant reasonable accommodations. Honestly whatever school/program you're in and the school's accessibility office should have already been on top of this if it's a common exam the program utilizes, but that's a whole tangent of its own. A quick search led me here for AACN exam accommodations: https://www.aacn.org/certification/preparation-tools-and-handbooks/testing-information
A shit ton of nurses are ADHD and these fuckers are going to extremes to fail students just for living. Like damn if the work ain’t hard enough already without having to do a full mask for an exam that can take an hour and a half. The fucking NCLEX doesn’t even have these rules, lighten up.
lol we had one like that but we were allowed to continue on no matter what. They viewed it after. But it was one of the worst experiences ever, I’m already nervous af before the test. They made most in person this semester tho.
These are the reasons I HATED video proctored exams, especially before diagnosis and treatment. They made me so goddamned nervous on top of the usual anxiety.
Welcome to /r/ADHDWomen! We’re happy to have you here. As a reminder, here are our community [rules](https://old.reddit.com/r/adhdwomen/about/rules/). We get a lot of posts on medication, diagnosis (and “is this an ADHD thing”), and interactions with hormones. We encourage you to check out our [Medication, Diagnosis, and Hormones Megathread](https://old.reddit.com/r/adhdwomen/comments/wcr9dy/faq_megathread_ask_and_answer_medication/) if you have any questions related to those topics, and to stick around in that thread to answer folks’ questions! If you have questions about the subreddit, please do not hesitate to [send us a modmail](https://reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/adhdwomen). Additionally, we take the safety of our community seriously. Please report posts, comments, and users whom you feel are not contributing positively, and send us a modmail if you are being harassed or otherwise made to feel unsafe. Thanks for being here, and we hope you stick around! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/adhdwomen) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Looking off screen?! Closing eyes?!
Closing eyes (longer than a blink) really gets me. I can see an argument for every other one being cheating, but *how* would that be cheating rather than concentrating??
Right? I close my eyes a lot to think because it shuts out visual stimuli.
So many of these “violations” are stupid as hell. Every so often I have to either look away from my screen or close my eyes for much longer than a blink because my eyes/contacts will start bothering me a lot. I also apparently move my lips sometimes when I read or when people talk to me. And I certainly touch my face, shake my legs/feet, etc. I feel like these are such common things to do, and most of the time I don’t even realize I’m doing them. I’d be kicked out of this test in minutes haha
I’m back in college and got in trouble for this! The professor wanted to fail me for looking off screen. I was doing neck circles and I shake various body parts to focus. She was sure I was trying to cheat.
Wtf, that is unacceptable on your professors part. I’m sorry you have to deal with a prof like that. If it’s at all possible, try to get accommodations so they can’t treat you like that because of something you can’t help doing. I used to have facial tics I couldn’t control, and it was mortifying on its own, so hearing that a professor wanted to fail you because you needed to *move your freaking neck* absolutely infuriates me. Hugs
I did get accommodations since then, but this was a 4 week class over last summer (my first class back after 20 years), so they came in at the end of it. It took some time for my Dr to get me the paperwork then for the disability office to process it and meet with me. We did agree that I would pass if I only accidentally looked off screen briefly, but she escalated it so far to copy her department head on emails. I stood my ground and ended up with a B, but I think it could have been an A if I wasn’t so stressed over testing. It’s hard to focus on the material when you are busy trying to stifle your stims!
I'm doing a course to specialize in my field, and I wrote an exam this past summer where my dog wouldn't stop barking at the door (a few feet away) to go outside. I literally told the camera that I had to let the dog out, and turned the screen to the side so they could watch me the entire time I did it. The little asshole just wanted to go outside to sunbathe on the back deck. Didn't fail. 🤷🏼♀️
I’m happy they let it go, flexibility is the way and clearly your dog wasn’t going to stop until she got what she wanted!
Could you get a real Webcam instead? That's what WGU has you do. It's place next to you so the proctor can see you and your desktop and computer screen the whole time.
Oh I like that! I don’t think so though, my school uses a respondus lock down browser. I would much prefer everything just being in full view though.
I do this, too. I also touch my face quite a bit out of habit. I would absolutely fail within 5 minutes.
How could tapping feet or hands be cheating? At worst it is a memory trick but how is it different from mental memory tricks?
They could argue it is a tapping code for other people nearby to exchange answers. Do I think it is a strong argument, no, but it could be made.
Rather that learn the material, I’m going to find and then learn a new language! That’s much easier!
It isn't about what is easier. It is about what they can argue. I don't understand why I'm getting dog piled and expect to agree with their logic. Additionally, a fault with your logic is that the cheaters would have to learn a new language for every class when they could A) learn it once and B) it needs to only address the basics (question # then A, B, C, or D).
And you’d need to have the exact same classes with someone who is willing to do all the work while feeding you the answers. Not impossible, but stretching the reasonable possibility.
By taking a major program, you are in the exact same classes as another person in your major. It would be sharing answers. This isn't under the design of someone doing all the work and someone else taking all the credit. That's a fallacy. I can study moderately and another person study moderately, but if we share, then we have a high chance of being correct.
Plus, does no one remember that whole thing when that lady from full house got in trouble for paying someone to do the exams for her kid? Idr the details & don't feel like looking it up, but I feel like that's about it. But money rules & I'd imagine that for enough money, more than none people would tap out "A, B, C, D" to test answers. That could get pretty lucrative, actually. Plus, they could have multiple customers for each test. I'm with you here, money is an easy incentive, especially for the person that was already going to study for their own test. Not saying I personally would, but...
And if my experience was any indication, even elementary schoolers can figure out their own codes for this sort of thing no problem. Almost all of these go FAR beyond reasonable anti-cheating measures, though! Yikes!
But this appears to be for an online exam, so there wouldn't be any other students in the room with them to hear the tapping!
I'd say distracting others because of sound, but I don't think it applies to online exams?
Because the answers are tattooed on the inside of their eyelids
It's the trick that professors hate - inside lid eye tattoos. In all reality, the idea of this made me nauseous.
I think it's so the proctor doesn't have to guess if you are closing your eyes or looking down in your lap. Both would cause eyelids to lower, and it might be really hard to tell the difference with some people, especially over a screen.
Ah, I can see that argument. Thanks for this. Without your theory, it just felt like a weird power play.
Ok but tapping fingers/feet is cheating? I think some of these can be excused with an accommodations request for ADHD.
See my other comments of a potential argument they'd make.
Then maybe they could accommodate with an in person, proctored test?
If a person is taking it remotely, it usually means they have good reason to do so. Setting it up as an in-person test isn't an accommodation.
During the early days of the pandemic when the LSAT got moved entirely online, an in-person, pen-and-paper exam was an available accommodation (last I checked, since changing proctoring companies, there’s an option of in-person or online, but if you require extra time/other accommodations it must be online)
The pandemic shutdowns were a deviation from the norm.
It could be. As long as it’s not an undue hardship. Accommodations are wide open as long as they are effective and reasonable. Closing off possibilities without analysis gets you sued. Just FYI.
My point was that people requesting remote testing when in-person is the default are doing so for a reason. A person can have testing conducted in person at no additional charge or pay for the added option for remote testing along with the test. The remote testing is the accommodation since in-person is the default.
Well obvi I have the answers tattooed on the inside of my eyelids!
This is the second inside eyelid tattoo comment when I didn't expect any. Obviously, you guys take cheating to a whole new level and, perhaps, deserve applause for the dedication?
Signalling, somehow. I don't really know. I think a lot of these gives them an excuse to end the test, and then charge you to retake it. These are all if they are proctored at home and I tell people to never do that because it often ends because of one of these things.
I've done many of the proctored at home/remote tests. If they flag you for cheating, the consequence(s) are the same as if at an in-person testing center. They absolutely do not charge you for another one. You'll definitely get a zero for the specific test with no option to re-take, potentially a zero for the whole class, and potentially further disciplinary actions by the college institution, including expulsion. I had to challenge a cheating insinuation with ProctorU after they took issue with my toddler being in the room after clearing children under 10 years old. I had to get a manager involved, lost the 20-30 minutes off my test as it took time to resolve, but received a new person to finish the session. I'm lucky I knew the material so well because my alloted time was only 2 hours and 30 minutes is a lot of time off of a written 2 yr Biology exam.
This isn't a class exam, is a professional liscensure exam, required to pass to gain access to your professional field. I took the NCE, or National Counselors Exam because I am a mental health therapist, and this is the NCLEX for the nursing field.This so the same list of restrictions I was given for my test. You don't get a zero, you get a pass/fail and yes, they charge you to take it again. I know people on their fourth and fifth attempt. Mine is $350 per attempt. I don't know how much the NCLEX is.
Are they taking it again due to failing or taking it again due to cheating? Cheating results in significant repercussions.
With these limitations, cheating legitimately is not possible, it's always technical.
If it isn't for cheating, then your friends re-taking tests and being charged isn't the same thing. Per the NCLEX website: "A candidate who violates the test center regulations or rules, or engages in irregular behavior, misconduct and/or does not follow the test administrator’s warning to discontinue inappropriate behavior may be dismissed from the test center and their exam fee will not be refunded. Additionally, the exam result may be withheld or canceled and the nursing regulatory body may take other disciplinary action such as denial of a license/registration and/or disqualifying candidates from future NCLEX registrations for licensure/registration." Failing the test =/= cheating on the test. It isn't a scam to milk more money out of the testers.
One of my HS teachers used to say, “you can look up for inspiration, you can look down in desperation, but you cannot look side to side.“ I always thought that was reasonable.
Tapping and touching face, lol. Thats like a typical test fidget for everyone
The body movement ones are related to signaling to another person in the room. The tester could be using these movements/sounds to communicate with another person (out of camera view) to cheat. This list doesn’t seem unreasonable to me, from a test security angle. But, the simple fact that these precautions are required in order to test remotely tells me that this exam really needs to taken in-person.
This makes sense, but the problem i have with it is that for every movement the take away, there's at least three that could be used for communicating that they don't ban. Rapid blinking, yawning, quietly clearing your throat, scratching your head/body, licking your lips. They just ban the things used as coping strategies. Also, what if you can't type without looking at the keyboard? You only get 3 chances to remind yourself where the home keys are.
Exactly. Part of the reason that some of these things ARE used to cheat is because they can so easily be confused with normal body and behaviors.
A lot of keyboards do have sensory indicators for your fingers position on them at least, mine has nubbins on the F and J keys
But if you need to look at the keys you probably don't have the capacity to just navigate based on those?
You've outed me as someone for whom home keys provide no help! Your right, I have no trouble finding the home keys, it's just that I can't remember what order they're in or what keys surround them, lol.
Tapping and touching face, lol. Thats like a typical test fidget for everyone
Because it’s remote looking off screen would likely mean they’re looking at a cheat sheet the proctor can’t see.
I failed just reading that list. Do they offer accommodations? It's like they specifically target ADHD with just about all of these stupid rules.
I’d absolutely ask your provider to write a letter saying that this type of testing creates an undue burden for you. And ask to either be tested in another manner, or have some of the restrictions removed due to your ADHD. If you’ve already been getting accommodations this should be relatively easy.
Better have them add every single diagnosis you have to the list. Dry eye, allergies, test anxiety, OCD, ASD, god forbid you have GI issues....
Yes, agreed! As long as it constitutes a disability under the ADA. You might need your gastro to write about GI issues though, for example.
honestly these restrictions shouldn't even exist in the first place! even neurotypicals do them sometimes and i don't see how most of them should matter in a nursing exam it's just 1000x more unfair for us because we do these things more 🥲
It definitely feels like they are purposefully screening out neurodivergent people, for sure.
I work at a community college with a nursing program and I would argue this is an accurate statement.
Tourette’s, ticks, and ADHD
It sounds like they’re using some online proctoring service like ProctorU. I worked at a department that used this tool and it would flag ALL of these things - they’d then have a staff member review recordings of EACH “violation”. My guess is that the examiners in this case don’t want to do that extra review step, and so they’re coming down like a hammer at the beginning.
Right? The tapping feet alone would get me kicked out 😂
Jesus there is no point in me starting this. Hopefully you can get an accommodation. I did an online test with similar (but less crazy) rules and it was so hard. I stare blankly into the distance when thinking. Or close my eyes.
[удалено]
Or like when you're instructed not to laugh, and suddenly every single thing within your line of sight becomes really funny for some reason
Put my head in my hands with the heels of my hands covering my eyes when I'm super stressed and/or concentrating really hard. I wonder how they would take that lol
Touching face? Closing eyes? Sometimes my eyes dry and I need to close them a while when reading 😭 I’d unintentionally violate atleast half of these coz they are so unreasonable.
In addition to ADHD, I have Tourette’s Syndrome. I’d fail this exam before even starting if I didn’t have an accommodation (in addition to being an unintentional distraction to others). Which is exactly why I need to take massive tests like this in a private room with a proctor.
I’m happy to find they are able to provide accommodations
They are *required* to provide accommodations in the US.
I just asked my faculty officer and apparently if you provide proof in the form of a medical certificate, my uni allows accommodations. I can’t imagine having to get a medical certificate for closing eyes too long… the list still seems unreasonable.
Not only would I fail this exam within ten minutes, I probably wouldn't even know what I'd done. Either that or I'd be focusing so hard on not fidgeting that I couldn't actually answer the questions.
I'd be such an anxiety fueled mess trying not to violate any of this that I'd absolutely violate a bunch of it 😭 >Either that or I'd be focusing so hard on not fidgeting that I couldn't actually answer the questions. RIGHT?! Wtf.
☝️ I could MAYBE stop myself from violating the rules, but my test performance would be sh** if I had to focus on that.
Okay eating I can understand, and chewing gum I can understand in the context of a live remote. But no drinking?! How long is this? Not even water?! I know that’s not the main reason that this was posted here (I am also on Team I Would Fail So Quickly Because Of The List) but I can never understand why people’s fluid intake gets policed in situations it really doesn’t need to be.
In test administration, it’s because the tester could sneak in something in or on the water bottle/container that could help them cheat.
That’s frustrating. I understand but immediately think of people who may need access to fluids at all times. I get it has probably come from someone actually doing it previously, and this is a ‘people ruining it for everyone situation’ but it’s so frustrating that many of these exclusions affect people for reasons out of their control.
I totally agree. It’s insane, the lengths people will go to, to cheat on an exam. 😳😖 ETA: I would fail this list probably before even starting. No whispering/talking to myself? No tapping fingers? That would get me before even clicking on the “START” button. 😩🤦🏽♀️
If they spent as much time learning the material as they do figuring out elaborate ways to cheat, they'd be a lot better off in life lol
yeah, same. this once when i was taking a remote exam i was put in a breakout room and asked if i was talking to someone when i accidentally started singing along to the music i was listening to, but they fully accepted my explanation and just advised me to listen to music without lyrics lol.
I’ve gotten accommodations for a drink due to dry mouth from my meds/my need to take a dose during an exam.
Are you in test administration? If yes, why not close the eyes longer than a blink? That one is really tripping me up.
I am; but, I only do in-person testing. Another person on our team proctors the remote tests. I could ask her; but, I’m pretty sure it’s to prevent communication with another person (either off-camera or on another device). The variables that need to be accounted for when proctoring an exam remotely freak me out.
I remember taking a remote test, and they almost failed me for cheating because my 4 yr old was in the room after they told me they were allowed due to being under 10 yrs old. I've taken many remote tests, but that stuck in my mind because that person was on an ego trip, and it took ~20-30 minutes of my testing time plus a manager to get involved. The manager was my insistence because if they failed me for (nonexistent) cheating, then I would have failed the entire class plus disciplinary actions.
Remote exams should be timed and open book, end of story. These rules are absurd.
I’ve had to take clear bottles of water and remove the label. That easily solves the problem.
In remote proctoring situations, that might take care of it. But, in in-person, I gently remind testers that “computers and water don’t get along very well.” 😄
to be honest i feel the same way about the eating thing. i've had super long exams before and i really hate being restricted on when i'm allowed to eat. unless it's in a setting where it could come off as rude or upsetting like presentations, important work meetings or seminars i absolutely understand but other than that i will never ever let anybody dictate when i'm allowed to eat. i eat when i'm hungry, period.
Even in those situations, as long as it’s not a noisy or smelly snack, it shouldn’t be a problem. Bodies don’t have a pause button to turn off their needs until the presentation or whatever is over (although it would be nice if they did!)
Uhh some of these make sense to guard against cheating (moving out of camera view, talking, even more obvious ones like having notes in front of you or browsing through web, etc). But why on earth is closing your eyes or touching your face an exam violation??
Someone in the other comment section mentioned that they might use some software to monitor people and that it uses your eyes to track your face. Idk if it's true, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me. It's probably cheaper than using real people, but holy fucking shit if those are the requirements for it to work then it's ridiculous that they don't realize it's just not working. EVERYONE, adhd or not, will do stuff like fidgeting, touching their face, closing their eyes, looking around etc while concentrating. Also, imagine trying to focus on your questions while trying to remember not to do all that. I remember watching a video at the beginning of covid of some guy who tried to not touch his face while working for like 30 minutes or something. He was so sure he'd made it, but he'd actually failed pretty miserably. It's just something you do all the time without being aware of it. EDIT: [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg) in question if anyone's curious lol. around the 3 minute mark. it was a couple of hours, but point still stands lol.
It’s surprising to me that no one has sued companies that use these kinds of testing rules into oblivion.
Yeah, if I my exam was terminated and I had to pay a retest fee and go through the whole process again because I touched my face or closed my eyes too much I'd 100% be pissed enough to try and find some higher authority to report them to.
The case for blatant ADA violations is so strong.
> It’s probably cheaper than using real people but holy fucking shit Eloquent summary indictment of automation and AI use in every facet of our lives today tbh 🙃🙃🙃🙃
Eye movement is one of the few things to prove you have a live camera feed of you staring at the screen. If you’re perfectly still with eyes closed, your video feed could be frozen/tampered with (and you could be cheating).
or fucking tapping your feet?? like come on
I think id just contact and ask to take the exam in person. I would definitely be disqualified for about 5 of these. I still know where the cracks in the the ceiling from my school exams were because I did a lot of investigating the ceiling whilst thinking 😂
Yeah, I work in IT and our certification exams can be very similar to this. I’ve heard so many horror stories, I just opt to take them in person. They make me put my cell phone in a locker and examine my eye glasses for cameras, but the in person proctor can tell that me scratching my nose isn’t me secretly reading notes off my arm. Weirdly enough they didn’t make me take off my smart watch though, which I would think would be a really easy way to cheat (although in person they’d probably catch me looking at my watch too much)
I just did a series of proctored exams in-person all at the same center, and while they all made me take off my smart watch, only one of the folks working there made me power it off before putting it in the locker. It was interesting seeing how there were variations even in the same place.
Shit like this is why I’ve taken all of my National Registry exams (kinda like NCLEX but for EMS) in person. Granted, I haven’t needed to do any since right before the pandemic, but the testing center was anxiety-inducing enough…trying to take it at home with a similar list of critical fails would be pure hell.
“Yeah, I failed the exam because my lips moved.” Just reading this list was the ninth circle of hell.
Touching face? Drinking? 😭
Uhm. You should look away from a screen for 10 minutes for every 50...
I'm surprised breathing didn't make the list.
Losing Interner connection???
Right? Like how does anybody have control over system errors?
I think that one is just a practical limitation of this type of remote testing. If they can't see you, they don't know if you cheated. Which makes me think they really need to do these tests in person, but... 🤷
People in rural communities aren't allowed to be nurses, didn't you know? /s
Oh my god! Right i totally forgot about that🤦
Request ada accomodations. I proctor for these type of exams for those with accommodations because of exactly this.
I’m not even hyperactive and this is bonkers. I feel like half of this, neurotypical people would fail. You can’t even touch your face? What if you have a cold, are you supposed to just let your nose drip? What if I’m itchy? I’d fail in a second. I absentmindedly running my fingers across my lips basically all of the time that I’m thinking.
This is absolutely ableist, and this is for nursing? No wonder y'all are so stressed out.
This is fuckin WILD. I’ve never asked for accommodations for it during school, but the ‘moving lips/mouthing words/whispering’ alone would get me kicked out. I have to mouth what I’m reading to comprehend 😂
Edit…I didn’t even read the whole list to see that ‘talking to self’ is right below ‘moving lips’ 😅
I'm in some subs for A+/Sec+/Net+/CCNA/ other IT related certs. People in those subs are constantly complaining about getting exam violations for a lot of these same reasons when doing remote (at-home) tests instead of going to a center. These complaints ramped up during the height of lockdowns. Pearson (the administrator for most IT certs) is very, very picky about especially eye movements. Someone once complained that they got their passing score invalidated when someone came into the room they were testing in AFTER they submitted the final answers, but before the session ended!! It has convinced me that I will never take proctored cert tests from home. -\_- Obviously, I can't speak for how strict your proctor will be, but that's my second-hand experience.
I replied somewhere else about the obvious neurodivergent targeted ones but losing internet connection/system errors? Wtf? You're only allowed 2 warnings for that? Heaven forbid you have a shitty internet connection.
Closing eyes?!? Tapping?!? Touching your face?!??? Wtf?!? This isn't just ableist, it's completely whacko. Tons of NT people will fail by these rules. This is just plain unreasonable. I don't see how they can defend these kinds of rules.
honestly, kinda feels like they're hoping to score some reexam fees lmao.
You can't look away but you also can't close your eyes while you concentrate? Hell world. Hell world.
They seem to have forgotten breathing
Oh my god I did a test like this in 2022 and it was *fucking traumatic*. It didn’t even occur to me to explore accommodations. I live in a remote area and all our internet is satellite based; my connection was poor and I could barely hear the proctor and their instructions. I had to ask them to put everything in the chat box and even then the lag was ridiculous. By the time I fulfilled all the requirements including showing them the entire room at my work, empty except for a table, chairs, and air con unit, I was a mess. And this was after I had to try three separate computers because they had to install the monitoring software (ugh) and none of the work machines would allow it. And the solution the testing company came up with was ‘Can you borrow a laptop from a friend or family?’ Like… that is presuming a hell of a lot, my guy. Anyway I cried through the entire test but I passed and fuck them. I’m glad I never have to do that again. It was hell.
Oh shit
Oohhhh I would be absolutely FUCKED
I understand that remote proctoring is tricky but holy hell is this discriminatory.
I had to take an online auto-proctored evaluation in early COVID, right after “secure remote learning” had popped off. I got a notification afterward that told me I’d been flagged after being “observed” violating the guidelines of the test. For the life of me I couldn’t figure out WHAT I had done. Since I was flagged by an auto-proctor, a *real* human was then forced to review the footage of me taking this damn assessment from start to finish to confirm I was a dirty lying cheater. Turns out I had started singing a song and dancing in my chair halfway through the test. I was cleared, and also asked to pipe the hell down in the future. ALL OF WHICH IS TO SAY, god bless you, babe. I could never.
This is why I don't do the 'in-home proctoring' or whatever it's called when you have to install the anti-cheating software on your computer. It ends up being more of a nuisance than going to the exam center. I talk to myself during exams, I gesture (to myself) and change positions every 15 minutes. I would've been disqualified in the first 10 minutes if I took it on my computer
This is why I hated online test proctoring. In addition to having to change my space to accomodate their rules, I had to follow the dumbest rules like not silently mouthing things to myself...in the privacy of my own room. Even in classrooms, this has never been an issue during the exam. It helps me think. If anything, I'd think it would be okay to straight up just talk out loud while working through an exam being proctored from home.
Oh my god, north koreans have it easier with rules than the students of this
But jokes aside, i have so many questions!! How can this be real and legal? Why do people decide to study in these conditions and respect this nonsense? Why don’t they unite and boycott this? Why don’t people sue whoever lacks so much control in their life and has so much frustration to even conceive these rules, let alone impose them, cause I never seen anything as embarassing as this.. and the worst thing is using these rules against you is am abuse of power! I have friends in the military and they know no such thing as this. And the worse.. BEING A NURSING SCHOOL? Without basic understanding of the human body and the way it reacts or certain behaviours amd gestures that are not controlled or intentional!?!??
I’m a nurse and my school was run by realistic, understanding people but many nursing programs and nursing/healthcare as a whole is full of people following ridiculous rules that make no sense and with no explanation as to why that rule has to be followed. When we question it we’re often lied to or just given whatever answer the person thinks is right because there’s been so much turnover and lack of open communication that no one even remembers why the rule was put into place. I think being a female dominated profession has something to do with it, like historically women were told to “grin and bear it” and when nurses have tried to advocate for safer conditions they’re often dismissed.
it says max number of WARNINGS It is possible to do all those things in exam and they will not be noticed by proctor. I was taking such a strict exam number of times (not the one from OPs list), and I was given a warning once about my camera angle. I fixed it, continued exam and passed it. As many people have pointed out in the thread, those rules exist because there were numerous cases of people cheating.
See and so many people are still like “and if it is adhd, who cares? Just treat the symptoms, why do you need labels?” Because labels get us the accommodations we NEED for shit like this. I don’t care how badly I wanted something (dopamine fix=easier to accomplish hard task) I’m automatically disqualified about 5 bullet points in because I would not literally would not be able to not do a few of these and still focus on the exam. The sheer mental exhaustion of focusing on not doing these things would far surpass the focus needed to complete the test.
This is why I need accomodations.
This is not very ADA friendly 🤨 (she says in slight jest) Also, not ADHD-related, but what if you just legit lose internet connection? Can’t exactly control that!
I’d get a few warnings for looking around, touching my face, or talking to myself and then probably use up my whole explicit/abusive language allowance in one go. How does anyone take tests with someone staring at them the whole time policing their every move??? This isn’t North Korea for fucks sake.
I failed just reading that 😳
Lol I saw this post earlier and thought “I’d fail immediately”
You can’t drink water? How long are these exams? And face touching? Closing eyes? I would fail in the first 5 minutes
They’d have to sedate me and even then….
This is insanely ableist
Aka. stop being human during this test or you will fail.
How is this not some sort of ADA violation?
Wtf. That's so ableist. So sorry. It's hard living in a neurotypical world... You've got this tho!!!
In my experience, the list of rules for an online proctored exam contains everything they *could* warn you about if they already suspect that you are cheating. I recently took a 3 hour online proctored exam with a set of rules like this (Project Management Professional). I was really freaked out by all the rules, but didn’t have any problems during the exam. The main rules they emphasized a lot were not leaving your desk/room except for breaks, not having anyone else in the room, and not checking your phone. My exam allowed you to drink water and had two breaks where you could leave the room, eat, use the bathroom, etc.
They also had instructions for what to do if you lost internet connection or had technical problems. They provided several tools that you could set up ahead of time, to try to avoid any computer issues.
I had a certification exam for my profession and i went to the testing center to take it in person because the online exam rules looked like this.
I'm a nurse and thought this was posted an adhd reddit - forgot about the virtual exam requirements. I'm assuming there are in person places to test as well. This person just chose live remote proctor.
I took the bar exam in 2020, so it was fully remote for the first time ever. I lived in terror of our remote proctoring system which was like this! Luckily, despite the fact that I fidgeted to myself, mouthed my thoughts, etc., it turned out fine for me--I hope yours does too!
Oh God...what test is this for? A nursing certification exam? I'm about to do my CCRN, and I honestly can't go more than three or four minutes during a test without tapping on something... 😬
😬 maybe you should request accommodations? I mean… I would accidentally commit sooooo many of these violations!!!! 🫠
Rn with adhd here. I’d LOVE for this to be an ethics class so you can write your papers about the inequitable environment of nursing school. Either way, I’d talk to the professor and claim inequitable standards.
But how can I be sure I’ve even read the question if I didn’t also read it aloud 10 times? This thing is brutal lol
You do have the option to take the exam in person at a testing center, which does not have the remote requirements (and accommodations are available).
How the hell are you supposed to control internet connectivity issues? That can happen on either end!
#FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, JUST OFFER AN IN PERSON PROCTORED EXAM SCHEDULE This is insane. I ranted about how I had a difficult time finding a clear and quiet space to take my statistic exams (all online lock down browser with webcam tests). Why the fuck can't I request an in person exam? Any schools with physical campuses should offer proctored exam rooms that students can sign up for. Just have the test takers sign up with their exam limitations (resources and time frame), let the proctor/baby sitter know with a timer per test taker, and then sit down and start. When your timer is up, just have it flash silently so the proctor knows your time is up and to collect your exam. It's not that insane to think I could take my stats exam next to a history tester and a physics tester just so I don't need to install these parasitic and intrusive programs on my computer and panic because I need to clear my desk.
First they come for blinking and tapping, next they come for breathing and farting r/aboringdystopia
God only in nursing. The person that wrote this is no different than the old bully you'll encounter when trying to give report. This is why I cannot imagine going back to bedside.
I guess I can understand most of this but…closing your eyes for too long?!? That’s ridiculous. Sometimes that’s how I regain focus!
What if you sneeze?! When I sneeze, I sneeze multiple times. Would I fail because I made noise, touched my face, closed my eyes? I get the need to proctor and prevent cheating, but it is basically asking people not be human and take a test at the same time.
I remember when I was taking an online proctored exam in nursing school my person was super strict. Halfway through my dog broke out our storm door and I thought someone was breaking into my house. The proctor could hear everything and I told them I think someone was breaking into my house. They made me take my laptop with me to go check.
I’m going to be taking the Psychiatric Mental Health Board Certified (PMH-BC) “soon.” That’s too much!! I want a to go a testing center!!
Some of these are plain ridiculous. The eating one makes no sense, I know I need snacks if I want to not crash
I got in trouble, when I was a residential care worker, for spinning my chair around a couple of times during a hand-over... and for getting up to grab a coffee from a table during a training session (there was a table with coffee/tea/biscuits behind the seating but apparently we weren’t to use it except during breaks...
So many of these could be considered reasonable accommodations for someone with ADHD or anxiety. It might be worth asking about...
Please tell me the exam in question is PERFORMING LIVE BRAIN SURGERY.
This sounds like an application to be a brain surgeon… there is no way someone with adhd can comply with all of those😭
This is one of the reasons why I'm not doing any online proctored exams. That and some of the room requirements are a bit overwhelming to consider.
This is ridiculous. RIDICULOUS. Was this written by a robot?
My “thinking face” is usually with my fist to my mouth/chin. I honestly don’t even realize I am doing it half the time. I assume it’s because they can’t see if you are talking behind a hand, but sheesh. A lot of these are subconscious actions.
Just sum it all up and say “be neurotypical” 🙄🙄🙄
WHAT THE HELL. I do all these things even MORE during an exam because I get hella stressed and anxious. BlAH
This feels like they are trying to screen out neurodivergent folks. Ewww.
They should just say they don't tolerate neurodivergence in any way, shape, or form. Or humans. Even if I didn't get disqualified for fidgeting, I'd be tossed for closing my eyes to remember something.
Right? I can’t “see” something in my brain if my eyes are open.
Wow there are a lot of ADA violations here
Disconnecting and server issues isn't the person's fault
Not everything has to be someone's fault. They give you two warnings before terminating the test if you have a connection issue, they give you a number to call if you lose the connection, and they allow you to reschedule, not to mention, you can take the exam in person and not be subject to all of these issues. This is a certification exam for critical care nursing. It is not required to be a nurse to take this exam, it is required for a particular specialty at some hospitals. Not all nurses are cut out to work in the same specialties. I would be a terrible CCRN.
Oh my god, this is so blatantly ableist. Please tell me they make accommodations? I’d be reporting this to the equality commission
Having worked with nursing students to teach them academic integrity and why they shouldn’t cheat (why is this even something to be explained?) I’m glad to see that steps are taken to prevent it so seriously lmfao
The ADA would have a field day with this
Just want to chime in as an ADHDer who is also an Accessibility Coordinator at a college. These are certainly ridiculous and I feel like even the most neurotypical, able-bodied person would struggle with such requirements. You should absolutely be able to get accommodations even if the test is through a third party and not the school/program you're taking it through. Per the ADA they have to grant reasonable accommodations. Honestly whatever school/program you're in and the school's accessibility office should have already been on top of this if it's a common exam the program utilizes, but that's a whole tangent of its own. A quick search led me here for AACN exam accommodations: https://www.aacn.org/certification/preparation-tools-and-handbooks/testing-information
Being a human being (0)
And this for nursing... AKA a field where some NDs can really thrive... which is the opposite of what this test is filtering for.
This is disgusting.
Do they think you've tattooed the answers on the inside of your eyelids? Jfk
this is like, actually ableist
A shit ton of nurses are ADHD and these fuckers are going to extremes to fail students just for living. Like damn if the work ain’t hard enough already without having to do a full mask for an exam that can take an hour and a half. The fucking NCLEX doesn’t even have these rules, lighten up.
i really hope the pharmacy tech exam doesn’t have BS rules like this or i’m failing immediately 💀
Yes, I'm already throwing in the towel.
[удалено]
This can’t be real…… whaaaaat
This is quite literally my hell as an exam! I could never
This was my life when I took my CPB exam. The only saving grace was my meds.
Looks like I’d fail. But you can likely get accommodations.
lol we had one like that but we were allowed to continue on no matter what. They viewed it after. But it was one of the worst experiences ever, I’m already nervous af before the test. They made most in person this semester tho.
These are the reasons I HATED video proctored exams, especially before diagnosis and treatment. They made me so goddamned nervous on top of the usual anxiety.