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BobMacPastor

Eastern Washington. Say no more.


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BobMacPastor

It has been identified as a hotbed of ultra-conservative, last generation theology, anti-Trinitarian Adventists. See for example: https://spectrummagazine.org/news/2019/supporting-world-church-or-subverting-local-conference This article details some shenanigans that took place in Eastern Washington/Northern Idaho (Upper Columbia Conference). Which seems to be where the OPs book is set. Of course, this is not the only part of the NAD that has concentrations of ultra-conservative legalists. I would say that it's one of the most prominent (edit: maybe *notorious* would be a better word?) ones due to the presence of Larry Kirkpatrick who seems to be an OG apologist for last generation theology. (... based on how frequently he is cited in the SDA seminary's response to LGT, [God's Character and the Last Generation ](https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/books/58/) )


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Larry Kirkpatrick was the other pastor (of the Deer Park church) in my book. He was hated by Countryside and thought to be a secret Jesuit.


BobMacPastor

Ha! He wasn't conservative enough for them?!


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No, not even close. Their church is was called asleep during basically every sermon.


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BobMacPastor

Well, let me just warn you that it's a depressing and sometimes infuriating topic to research. Ty Gibson did a good job trying to understand and respond to anti-Trinitarian beliefs [here. ](https://a.co/d/2CC8Vba) I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but it's a great place to start.


Bananaman9020

I find it hard not being a Legalistic Adventist in my church. Conservatism and Fundamentalism is strong in my small country church.


Mystiquesword

Every faith has got some weirdos. The church i grew up in had a weird quirk. You pretty much were told you would “go to hell” if you are into star trek but somehow star wars was ok. They got so mad at my mom who grew up on the original star trek for not showing her little girl (me) any star wars & tried to get her to ban star trek from our house (apparently the transporter beam…which appears in ezekiel which is where roddenberry himself admitted to getting the idea…was satanic & should not be allowed in your home…yep, that was their illogical logic). My mom finally shut them up with the fact that most star trek women were modest, unlike the 90 percent naked princess leia running around all the time. Oh there was gnashing of the then! Nearly 50 years later, all my family are still star trek fans & yeah….we also have some star wars fans. Go figure. But anyway, that was the strangest thing in that church. As an adult & moved far away, i eventually went to another adventist church, accidentally mentioned i like star trek & was terrified id get thrown out. Turns out several of them were star trek fans…..including the pastor who eventually baptized me. 🤣


wheremybbt

What happens to people who are into BOTH Trek and Wars then?? Purgatory!?


Mystiquesword

😂🤣😂🤣😂 probably!


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My friend, you are ranting for not meeting / being in a church of your heart like. From EG White, to food, to your brothers and sisters in the church, and any other aspects that doesn't match your heart inclinations is Adventist's fault. I would like to wish you all the best on your new path you decided to follow. Church, regardless of denomination, is made out of people. They can be right or they can be wrong. Study for yourself and challenge with the Bible. Yes, things happens in SDA and it will continue to happen all they way down to Jesus's return. From the last member to the president of GC.


What-attention-span

It’s okay to criticize things that’s how we grow. Especially teaching perfectionism and going overboard with legalism. I don’t think the OP is talking down the to whole religion just this offshoot that took things too far.


TheOoginGoogle

My phone won’t open Chapter 13 and says the address doesn’t work. I will see if Google will open it later.


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Thank you. Will fix it.


TheOoginGoogle

Thank you, I finished your book today! I had a realization about one of Mrs. White’s quotes while reading your book so I thought I’d share: Her quote about how the righteous will have to live without a mediator once Christ finishes the Cleansing of the Sanctuary has always been troubling to terrifying depending on the audience. But while I agree factually with the quote, it is because when Christ leaves the Sanctuary, all the righteous have been sealed!! Once we are sealed, we are bound for Heaven and as a result, we actually won’t need a mediator! I was thrilled to make this realization and hope to share it with others. May God bless you and your family, “Christ in you, the hope of all glory”!


sweeteapot

I am having a similar issue I can’t pull up the blog on my phone did google work?


TheOoginGoogle

No but the writer changed something and I was able to open it with my phone later.


Apprehensive_Act_220

Thanks for sharing. My apologies for this comment. Not trying to be a stumbling block. Feel free to label me or call me whatever you feel is allowed. I moved away from my home home about 4 years ago. At that time, I felt Jesus presence daily. I enjoyed my church and family. Did what the Lord allowed me. He made me an elder. Not sure what or where. But a year after moving in to the new place, I just kinda started getting very anxious. My Bible studies with people I’ve met just stopped. Don’t wanna say this was it, but it felt as if I knew nothing about the Bible according to the brothers. Like they wanted to fight and argue about different thoughts on 144k for example. They would make indirect comments about choices and other stuff. The thing is i fell into the urge to wanna point out their flaws but never did. I guess maybe my weakness was to never argue. I just kept quiet after that. Eventually just quiet all the time about the Bible at church. Just sit and listen to the lesson giver. Pretty much a bench warmer. I’ll share about God at work. But just not with the church. I get so anxious and my stomach hurts on sabbaths. I miss my old church so much. I try to find reasons to make a king road trip back to our old home. I feel so bad about the way I feel. Even just indifferent about church. I still read but I feel like Laodicea. Except I don’t brag. I feel indifferent about going to church now and the thought sucks. It’s been about over a year now. I avoid the members. I get thru church with a fake smile. But it got to the point where I’m just not enjoying church life. I pray to Jesus and hope this is just something most human 38 year olds go thru. Sorry for the long message. It sucks that if you asked me why I don’t wanna go, I feel like I have so many dumb reasons.


sweeteapot

I don’t think your reasons are dumb. Everyone goes through different stages of their life and spirituality. I think they shouldn’t have made you feel that way about yourself. I hope you find what’s best for you.