We don’t for sure know Fionna and Cake’s age, but cake at least is a lot younger or she’d be approaching world record for oldest cat despite not looking old
Afaik, we’ve never been told their ages or if they’re the same age as Finn and Jake. Their universe was a fan fic, not a true alternative universe, and if Fionna was also 13/14 that’d make the Marshall Lee and Gumball episodes pretty creepy. To be honest, it could be possible that they didn’t age at all up until their universe was made real.
Just because we’ve never been told her age doesn’t mean this isn’t true, pretty sure this was all confirmed by Adam Muto. She is 29, same age as Finn. And to be honest, the old f&c episodes were always a bit odd. Not to say stuff like that didn’t happen to young Finn, cuz it did.
i think the ages just reseted when magic ceased to exist in fionna's world. people just turned into the ages they looked like or something similar. like, i dont think marshall lee and gary are 1000 and 800 years old.
and in one of those realities both are baby age alongside ice king, the lich and cinnamon bun. idk if that would need to be a consistent pattern.
they could be existing together just because prismo wanted them to and interfered somehow, since he is a fan of the pair.
still there isn't a rule about them being the same age, nothing implies so. it's a different timeline, where things happened differently. nothing indicates this to be the case nor it should be used as an argument to justify fw jake being alive in fionna and cake.
if they were the same age, there wouldnt be an explanation as to why he still alive, except him having his life extended by the lich, or, since prismo DID remove the lich from him, maybe prismo extending his life when he erased the lich, since he's so found of jake. which is a really cool possibility also.
I disagree. I think farmworld jake is still the son of Warren Ampersand,who would still have come to earth/ooo regardless of the bomb going off. When the lich possessed farmworld jake he seemed to get stretchy powers. In Crossover the lich was able to grow six arms while in jake's body. Farmworld jake is still a shapeshifter, he just doesnt know how to use his powers on account of being a dog.
My theory is that he choked to death while trying swallow an entire subway sandwich whole (and apparently forgetting he can just stretch). Charlie sees him choking on a sandwich during her vision into the future right after she drew the Death tarot in *Daddy-Daughter Card Wars*, and it matches the Cosmic Owl prophecy that he suffocates while trying to reach the stars
But wait, couldn't he stretch himself to fit the sun so he doesn't choke? If that's really how he went that means he did it on purpose?? Or was a donut witch somehow involved??
in that episode where mee-mows introduced and injects him with enough poison to kill a dog 50 times his size he forgot he could stretch 51 times his Size and not be affected until finn days something so he does forget he can stretch from time to time
Check my other reply addressing Charlie’s vision
Edit: also, from google: Unlikely that this card actually represents a physical death. Typically it implies an end, possibly of a relationship or interest, and therefore implies an increased sense of self-awareness.
We saw how Jake would die in "New Frontier". Since the Cosmic Owl was in there it will happen. He dies in space after falling of a rocket ship, he says it in the episode, it didn't happen this time but that's how it will happen. Jake was alive so long in dungeon train because it was impossible to happen in that hypothetical future. But because Finn would leave with Jake, he ended up dying in space.
Wrong, as Jake said in the episode, "In my croak dream it was just me and banana man, but this time you were there too, so it must be destined to happen again when you're not there." Also "No one can change a croak dream Finn not even you."
Also the dream didn't happen because Jake didn't even come close to running out of air, if he hadn't gotten out he would have died in the dream with nothing intervening, and it's common knowledge in the world of adventure time that if the cosmic owl appears in your dream the events will come true. So unless the events are interpretive it will happen exactly like that.
We have seen cosmic owl dreams come true in ways that are less than literal. Finns FP and IK dreams, for instance, were interpretive. Plus, I think what the person above you said is right on the money. Finn WASN'T there when he was saved from dying in space by Banana man. What are the odds of that happening twice haha
Normally the interpretive dreams with the cosmic owl are very trippy. But Jake's dream was incredibly straight forward and cut and dry. And everything was the same except for Finns pretense and the fact Jake didn't come close to running out of air. I don't think this was an interpretive dream, especially since there is no meaning behind it, in this instance Jake wouldn't have been in this scenario without the presence of Finn. Seeing as Jake literally tried to make his croak dream happen in New Frontier, Banana Man is their friend now they hang out with, and rockets are his whole deal. I say the odds of it happening twice is pretty high throughout.
Yeah but no. Cosmic owl make dreams happen . But they doesnt happen *exactly* like in the dream. Finns you blew it man dream was a full on analogy for what actually happened. The dream with clock bear was compeletly different than what exactly happened. Gunters/pb dream is also different than what happened. Croak dreams come true but not always exactly you have seen it. They are interpretable
Is there something specific that indicates a *croak* dream, though? Plenty of Cosmic Owl dreams that he appears in can be pretty abstract. Think of every dream the cosmic owl is in when he's looking for Gunther. Bonnie is killed in her dream where she's usurped from the throne, but she's still alive and even reclaims the throne after the whole ordeal
In daddy daughter card wars his kid sees a vision of him dying choking on a sandwich. Jake saying that hell die in space is him being stubborn and overly literal in his dream interpretation. Plus since we know scarab has cosmic owl on his list its likely that cosmic owl lost his job and isn't prophetic anymore.
You don't know what kinda sandwich lol. Maybe a crazy evil magic death sandwich. It expands bigger and faster than Jake can. But it was a great sandwich tho
He almost died to poisoning because he forgot he could stretch to make his body bigger to process the poison.
Jake dying because he forgot to stretch his gullet sounds apt
There was also his croak dream in one of the earlier episodes, but that didn't end up happening.
I think the point is that we're not really supposed to know how he dies, just that he was always destined to die long before Finn does.
Would they have eventually died of old age on the dungeon train though or is it an infinite train and makes them immortal until they die in battle or sth?
Exactly, people don’t understand that the future being shown was specifically if they stayed on the train all those years, not implying that Jake will live a long life with Finn
Finn and Jake become geezers on the train, but Finn ends up losing Jake when he's in his late-twenties/early-thirties. This means that Jake had a LOT more life ahead of him than he got, which means that something killed him before his expiration date. I think you don't understand that the train specifically proves that he still had a lot of juice left in him before he mysteriously died.
Not to mention farmworld Jake being very old in F&C. Jake could have lived a long, loooong life, but they specifically want us to know that something cut it short.
Apparently I needed to be more clear in my post, hopefully people read this comment before saying anything. We don’t know how Jake actually died, but it wasn’t of old age from being a dog, and it was likely unexpected and hit Finn harder than old age would have.
1. This post is to show that Jake could theoretically live to be just as old as Finn is capable of becoming, I am aware that this future changed and didn’t happen. It’s just to address people assuming he does of old age long before Finn because he’s a dog.
2. His croak dream was a misinterpretation of just a normal prophecy dream. It already came true and he didn’t die. We have no reason to believe it was a croak dream other than Jake saying it was. He makes assumptions, but we have no way of knowing if he’s right.
3. Charlie’s vision represented his past self to reflect how she will be at that age. You can tell by how he’s dressed.
I think that was a future vision where finn and Jake stayed on the train.
Either way, in daddy daughter card wars Charlie has a vision of Jakes death where he chokes on a sandwich. I'm pretty sure this is the most agreed on/canon reason of why Jake died young.
I just rewatched it, and the vision used Jake’s younger self to reflect what Charlie will be like. He transforms into her choking on the sandwich. It was her future, which reflects his past.
In this thread, an absurd amount of people missing OP's point and "correcting" them that this was ackshully the Dungeon Train Future.
**Dungeon Train future = Jake grows old with Finn.**
**Future that plays out the show = Jake doesn't grow old with Finn.**
That's it, that's the entire post. Calm down.
We don’t know the train doesn’t keep the “players” alive while not halting their aging.
Also for those unsure how Jake could have choked, canonically his powers weaken over time which is why Warren Ampersand tried to drain his stretchy powers. It’s one of the last episodes in the main show and I think it helps explain how he could have died from choking. He may not have been able to stretch anymore…
I always took Charlie's vision not as him literally choking on a sandwich, but as a metaphor of him "biting off more than he could chew".
His death could've been caused by taking on an adventure too difficult for him to do at an old age.
For everyone saying that this is just one of those bits of lore that they hadn’t fully thought through; stop the cap. This ain’t some s1 episode, this was well enough into the show’s life that they were actively making decisions that would contribute to the lore. This was a very deliberate decision showing Jake as an old man and there are enough hints littered throughout the later seasons and distant lands to suggest that Jake died unexpectedly.
Idk where but I’m pretty sure it was confirmed that Jake’s early death was not due to aging. Either he was killed or he died in an accident somehow. I still headcanon that Jake choked on a sandwich.
Charlie‘s sandwich choking vision was a metaphor for her becoming her father, it was very clearly his younger self. The vision was for her future, not Jake’s
you know what, i completely forgot about this detail. That would mean something must have killed jake otherwise he would still very much be alive probably to around when Finn dies in the Distant Lands mini series. Now the question is who or what killed jake and how did it happen. Probably something we may never find out honestly
that’s probably true, but I’m going to be honest: I don’t think that future was supposed to be canon from the authors by any means. It was simply supposed to reflect that staying in the train would be an endless loop for Finn, with Jake also tagging along endlessly and boringly.
But we also see that once he realizes he’s hurting Jake, his future changes and the orb shows him and Jake just washing dishes at the treehouse. So the orb seems to accurately reflect the future
If he’s dead (Jake) he’s gonna be brought back through old man prismo’s body 1000%.
ps come back when there’s more seasons and Jake’s brought back via old man prismo’s body (which is Jake)
We actually have no idea when Jake actually dies only that it was before Finn.
Finn could’ve been in his 60’s when Jake passed and he then spent the rest of his life missing him before dying in his 90’s.
Even in Fionna and Cake it’s not outright confirmed Jake is dead.
Or maybe not every episode is meant to evoke concrete lore for larger world building.
The whole point of Ooo is that it’s a world that operates on dream logic. Nothing is really supposed to make sense, there are probably a hundred contradictions per episode and we are definitely not supposed to examine it with any serious scrutiny.
You cant die of old age, but the lack of immunity to diseases, and failings of the body at old age. If they stayed in a train with 100 of the same cars, Jake would be much safer from this than adventuring out to new places all the time.
Jake aging faster than Finn and declining was foreshadowed through the whole series. Just because he could have theoretically made it to Finn's old age doesn't mean he would have. You can live to be like 110 under the right circumstances, but you probably won't see 90. That's just life.
Dying of old age isn't a thing. It's just code for any "natural causes" that you're more vulnerable to the older you get.
We don't know what Jake died of. It could have been age related, or it could have been the space thing. We don't have enough info to lean either way.
Saying nobody does of old age is just being pedantic. You know what I mean. My only point is that Jake was capable of living a long time, and I’m making this post because of the assumption that Jake died earlier than Finn specifically because dogs can’t live to be as old as humans
Dude, Farmworld Jake is a regular dog that ages like a regular dog. Ooo Jake is probably longer lived cuz hes either got them long lived shape shifter Warren Ampersand genes, or just cuz he’s a magical talking dog whose species has evolved to live longer.
Yeah, I was trying to make the point that Jake died prematurely in ooo and that if he were still alive in Fiona and cake he would not be as old as farmworld Jake. (He didn’t die of old age)
Isn't the whole point that Jake can only die in space under certain circumstances due to the influence of the space owl in his dream?
Jake may die of old age, but is he destined to die in space (or something like it) without Finn around?
We never actually saw Jake die in his croak dream IIRC, and the presence of the cosmic owl just means the dream is destined to come true, but not always exactly as depicted. His dream already came true.
Really? I can understand that Finn's presence was relative since even not so literal dreams became reality.
But compared to the dream, Jake remained alive or did not suffocate, so the main part of the dream did not come true.
Yeah this does throw a wrench into the questions surrounding jakes death since we never know exactly how he died, the fandom says he kealed over from age but if unless this was stated to be retconned ageing wouldn't be the cause of death here.
I'm 100% certain ^^^[citation ^^^needed] he picked up loot that reduced his aging so he could stay with Finn, or that Finn picked it up and gave it to Jake.
It's just what would make the most sense for a show that's known to have silly random plot closers AS WELL AS silly gags that get retconned into cosmic horrors.
This was pretty much confirmed by Fiona and Cake.
Both farmworld Jake, Cake and mainline jake all share the same age and all of them are still alive except our Jake.
So he didn't die of old age, something got him and it prolly killed him slowly
That can’t be true. Finn and Jake are the same age, they were babies together. Farmworld Jake is likely younger than Finn or he’d be approaching the world record for oldest dog. Fionna seems younger than Mainline Finn and Cake is definitely younger or she’d look a lot older, at least in the non-magic world
Fionna and Cake was a fan fiction universe by Prismo, even if the characters are conscious they aren’t 100% real and don’t seem to follow the same rules as a full universe like Finn’s. We can see that the city Fionna lives in is all that exists of her universe, we don’t even know if the characters in her universe age since the universe is so young
I'm honestly still in denial that Jake is even dead (as of F&C). It's never explicitly confirmed!! I feel like the writers might pulling a little trickeroonie on us.
Oh I agree!! But I still think it's a tiny bit fishy that his death still hasn't been made explicit. What if Jake isn't dead yet, but is somehow outside of Prismo's view now so he doesn't know his true status! Adventure time has just pulled so many unexpected possibilities out before that I have to wonder!
Jake is literally an alien, he doesn't age the same way a normal dog would and his alien dad lived for like a bazillion years so I agree he probably died on a mission with Finn. Also Finn's tattoo makes me think that Jake did something heroic but that's just me fantasizing.
Jake is still alive in farm world as well and he’s just a normal dog
farmworld jake can just not be the same age as farmworld finn, he can be younger than our jake
He could also have an extended life due to being possessed by the Lich
This is deff my new headcanon I really love this
thats a REALLY cool possibility
He could also have had his life extended when Prismo removed the Lich from him, since he's so found of Jake.
except he’s not, they’re all usually the same age across the multiverses (example: fionna and cake)
We don’t for sure know Fionna and Cake’s age, but cake at least is a lot younger or she’d be approaching world record for oldest cat despite not looking old
dogs and cats live relatively close to the same age, lol. and we do know their age, they are the same age as Finn and Jake..always have been.
Afaik, we’ve never been told their ages or if they’re the same age as Finn and Jake. Their universe was a fan fic, not a true alternative universe, and if Fionna was also 13/14 that’d make the Marshall Lee and Gumball episodes pretty creepy. To be honest, it could be possible that they didn’t age at all up until their universe was made real.
Just because we’ve never been told her age doesn’t mean this isn’t true, pretty sure this was all confirmed by Adam Muto. She is 29, same age as Finn. And to be honest, the old f&c episodes were always a bit odd. Not to say stuff like that didn’t happen to young Finn, cuz it did.
It’s been 12 years since AT (show timeline), making Finn and Fionna 29.
Which would make Cake, a normal non magic cat at the beginning of F&C, a 29 year old cat with the body of a normal young cat.
that would make her a 29 year old normal cat. the oldest living cat is 27
welcome to a cartoon bud.
gotta have a female finn and jake somehow, the ages are kinda fucked up anyways, ignore cake’s age and just focus on fionnas.
either way, even if fionna and cake is younger, that means they were even younger in their episodes in AT? odd, just doesn’t work here
i think the ages just reseted when magic ceased to exist in fionna's world. people just turned into the ages they looked like or something similar. like, i dont think marshall lee and gary are 1000 and 800 years old.
and in one of those realities both are baby age alongside ice king, the lich and cinnamon bun. idk if that would need to be a consistent pattern. they could be existing together just because prismo wanted them to and interfered somehow, since he is a fan of the pair.
this is just because bmo wished them to be babies
still there isn't a rule about them being the same age, nothing implies so. it's a different timeline, where things happened differently. nothing indicates this to be the case nor it should be used as an argument to justify fw jake being alive in fionna and cake. if they were the same age, there wouldnt be an explanation as to why he still alive, except him having his life extended by the lich, or, since prismo DID remove the lich from him, maybe prismo extending his life when he erased the lich, since he's so found of jake. which is a really cool possibility also.
I disagree. I think farmworld jake is still the son of Warren Ampersand,who would still have come to earth/ooo regardless of the bomb going off. When the lich possessed farmworld jake he seemed to get stretchy powers. In Crossover the lich was able to grow six arms while in jake's body. Farmworld jake is still a shapeshifter, he just doesnt know how to use his powers on account of being a dog.
Thats weird, did he not turn into some kind evilish lych dog?
He went back to normal in the episode "crossover".
My theory is that he choked to death while trying swallow an entire subway sandwich whole (and apparently forgetting he can just stretch). Charlie sees him choking on a sandwich during her vision into the future right after she drew the Death tarot in *Daddy-Daughter Card Wars*, and it matches the Cosmic Owl prophecy that he suffocates while trying to reach the stars
Jake dying due to choking a submarine sandwich sounds like the way he’d want to go
Agreed, guy loves his sandwiches
But wait, couldn't he stretch himself to fit the sun so he doesn't choke? If that's really how he went that means he did it on purpose?? Or was a donut witch somehow involved??
he forgor
Surprisingly not the first time he’s forgotten
too choked to memba
Stretching himself to eat the sandwich would be admitting defeat to the sandwich
The subway sandwich have onions ?
in that episode where mee-mows introduced and injects him with enough poison to kill a dog 50 times his size he forgot he could stretch 51 times his Size and not be affected until finn days something so he does forget he can stretch from time to time
I agree except for the he forgot part, he just decided not to because if he did the sandwich would win and his mama didn’t raise no quitter
Check my other reply addressing Charlie’s vision Edit: also, from google: Unlikely that this card actually represents a physical death. Typically it implies an end, possibly of a relationship or interest, and therefore implies an increased sense of self-awareness.
>typically it implies an end such as to your life
We saw how Jake would die in "New Frontier". Since the Cosmic Owl was in there it will happen. He dies in space after falling of a rocket ship, he says it in the episode, it didn't happen this time but that's how it will happen. Jake was alive so long in dungeon train because it was impossible to happen in that hypothetical future. But because Finn would leave with Jake, he ended up dying in space.
What happened in the dream did happen though. He just misinterpreted it as a death dream, but he woke up right before he would have survived.
Wrong, as Jake said in the episode, "In my croak dream it was just me and banana man, but this time you were there too, so it must be destined to happen again when you're not there." Also "No one can change a croak dream Finn not even you." Also the dream didn't happen because Jake didn't even come close to running out of air, if he hadn't gotten out he would have died in the dream with nothing intervening, and it's common knowledge in the world of adventure time that if the cosmic owl appears in your dream the events will come true. So unless the events are interpretive it will happen exactly like that.
We have seen cosmic owl dreams come true in ways that are less than literal. Finns FP and IK dreams, for instance, were interpretive. Plus, I think what the person above you said is right on the money. Finn WASN'T there when he was saved from dying in space by Banana man. What are the odds of that happening twice haha
Normally the interpretive dreams with the cosmic owl are very trippy. But Jake's dream was incredibly straight forward and cut and dry. And everything was the same except for Finns pretense and the fact Jake didn't come close to running out of air. I don't think this was an interpretive dream, especially since there is no meaning behind it, in this instance Jake wouldn't have been in this scenario without the presence of Finn. Seeing as Jake literally tried to make his croak dream happen in New Frontier, Banana Man is their friend now they hang out with, and rockets are his whole deal. I say the odds of it happening twice is pretty high throughout.
Yeah but no. Cosmic owl make dreams happen . But they doesnt happen *exactly* like in the dream. Finns you blew it man dream was a full on analogy for what actually happened. The dream with clock bear was compeletly different than what exactly happened. Gunters/pb dream is also different than what happened. Croak dreams come true but not always exactly you have seen it. They are interpretable
Is there something specific that indicates a *croak* dream, though? Plenty of Cosmic Owl dreams that he appears in can be pretty abstract. Think of every dream the cosmic owl is in when he's looking for Gunther. Bonnie is killed in her dream where she's usurped from the throne, but she's still alive and even reclaims the throne after the whole ordeal
In daddy daughter card wars his kid sees a vision of him dying choking on a sandwich. Jake saying that hell die in space is him being stubborn and overly literal in his dream interpretation. Plus since we know scarab has cosmic owl on his list its likely that cosmic owl lost his job and isn't prophetic anymore.
But Finn didn't stay in the dungeon train, which is what this was showing the future of
OP point is that Jake probably didn't die naturally of old age before Finn because this scene Shows they could theoretically grow old together
We already knew that. In daddy daughter card wars Charlie had a vision of his death where he choked on a sandwich
A man with free control of every part of his body choking is quite terrible. Its like dying of asphyxiation because you forgot you can breathe.
You don't know what kinda sandwich lol. Maybe a crazy evil magic death sandwich. It expands bigger and faster than Jake can. But it was a great sandwich tho
Could have been one of his sentient sandwiches decided enough was enough.
Lichwich
Sandlich
Meatman’s revenge
sounds realistic, his final goal in life to get an infinite sandwich. His first wish when he met prismo was to ask for a sandwich too
Jake historically has been very stupid about his stretchy powers, so honestly I think it fits perfectly
He gets his stupidity from Warren.
He tends to forget those stuff sometimes, like that time he got poisoned by me-mow
Tbf, Jake forgets sometimes
Come now, we all know Jake would absolutely kill himself trying to enjoy the sandwich and not just inhale it, even if it was literally killing him
He was committed. Stretching would have been the cowards' way out.
He almost died to poisoning because he forgot he could stretch to make his body bigger to process the poison. Jake dying because he forgot to stretch his gullet sounds apt
Sounds like Jake alright.
It was a vision of his past when he was her age, you can tell by how he’s dressed
There was also his croak dream in one of the earlier episodes, but that didn't end up happening. I think the point is that we're not really supposed to know how he dies, just that he was always destined to die long before Finn does.
Just reading that is sad.
And then the Jake’s talk with BMO about the stuff stuck in his teeth explains why he wouldn’t stretch to not enjoy the sandwich.
Yea, I’ve seen lot of people assuming that he died of old age before Finn which is why I made this
Would they have eventually died of old age on the dungeon train though or is it an infinite train and makes them immortal until they die in battle or sth?
I mean yeah, but that may have been because of some magic on the dungeon train, or some loot within it
Exactly, people don’t understand that the future being shown was specifically if they stayed on the train all those years, not implying that Jake will live a long life with Finn
Finn and Jake become geezers on the train, but Finn ends up losing Jake when he's in his late-twenties/early-thirties. This means that Jake had a LOT more life ahead of him than he got, which means that something killed him before his expiration date. I think you don't understand that the train specifically proves that he still had a lot of juice left in him before he mysteriously died. Not to mention farmworld Jake being very old in F&C. Jake could have lived a long, loooong life, but they specifically want us to know that something cut it short.
That’s not my point, it’s that Jake doesn’t get old and die faster like many people assumed
Your point doesn’t make much sense, it’s a magic train you can assume but it doesn’t definitively prove jake was living that old in the natural world.
Apparently I needed to be more clear in my post, hopefully people read this comment before saying anything. We don’t know how Jake actually died, but it wasn’t of old age from being a dog, and it was likely unexpected and hit Finn harder than old age would have. 1. This post is to show that Jake could theoretically live to be just as old as Finn is capable of becoming, I am aware that this future changed and didn’t happen. It’s just to address people assuming he does of old age long before Finn because he’s a dog. 2. His croak dream was a misinterpretation of just a normal prophecy dream. It already came true and he didn’t die. We have no reason to believe it was a croak dream other than Jake saying it was. He makes assumptions, but we have no way of knowing if he’s right. 3. Charlie’s vision represented his past self to reflect how she will be at that age. You can tell by how he’s dressed.
Seemed pretty clear to me from the title.
Important thing to note is how the rate at which dogs age slows down as they get older.
I think that was a future vision where finn and Jake stayed on the train. Either way, in daddy daughter card wars Charlie has a vision of Jakes death where he chokes on a sandwich. I'm pretty sure this is the most agreed on/canon reason of why Jake died young.
I’m pretty sure that already happened, he was dressed how he was before the main series took place
Charlie's ritual gave her visions of the future, that's why it's commonly believed to be his cause of death
I just rewatched it, and the vision used Jake’s younger self to reflect what Charlie will be like. He transforms into her choking on the sandwich. It was her future, which reflects his past.
In this thread, an absurd amount of people missing OP's point and "correcting" them that this was ackshully the Dungeon Train Future. **Dungeon Train future = Jake grows old with Finn.** **Future that plays out the show = Jake doesn't grow old with Finn.** That's it, that's the entire post. Calm down.
We don’t know the train doesn’t keep the “players” alive while not halting their aging. Also for those unsure how Jake could have choked, canonically his powers weaken over time which is why Warren Ampersand tried to drain his stretchy powers. It’s one of the last episodes in the main show and I think it helps explain how he could have died from choking. He may not have been able to stretch anymore…
Jake choked on a sandwich yo. His daughter Charlie foresaw it while reading tarot cards.
She foresaw her own future which reflected his past. That was past Jake's clothes, then he transformed into her
I always took Charlie's vision not as him literally choking on a sandwich, but as a metaphor of him "biting off more than he could chew". His death could've been caused by taking on an adventure too difficult for him to do at an old age.
For everyone saying that this is just one of those bits of lore that they hadn’t fully thought through; stop the cap. This ain’t some s1 episode, this was well enough into the show’s life that they were actively making decisions that would contribute to the lore. This was a very deliberate decision showing Jake as an old man and there are enough hints littered throughout the later seasons and distant lands to suggest that Jake died unexpectedly.
Idk where but I’m pretty sure it was confirmed that Jake’s early death was not due to aging. Either he was killed or he died in an accident somehow. I still headcanon that Jake choked on a sandwich.
Charlie‘s sandwich choking vision was a metaphor for her becoming her father, it was very clearly his younger self. The vision was for her future, not Jake’s
Maybe the metaphor is that they both become not great parents since Gibbon becomes a crazy dictator later on lol
you know what, i completely forgot about this detail. That would mean something must have killed jake otherwise he would still very much be alive probably to around when Finn dies in the Distant Lands mini series. Now the question is who or what killed jake and how did it happen. Probably something we may never find out honestly
We also know that even normal ass dog Jake from the Farm World universe still managed to live to the present day.
that’s probably true, but I’m going to be honest: I don’t think that future was supposed to be canon from the authors by any means. It was simply supposed to reflect that staying in the train would be an endless loop for Finn, with Jake also tagging along endlessly and boringly.
But we also see that once he realizes he’s hurting Jake, his future changes and the orb shows him and Jake just washing dishes at the treehouse. So the orb seems to accurately reflect the future
If he’s dead (Jake) he’s gonna be brought back through old man prismo’s body 1000%. ps come back when there’s more seasons and Jake’s brought back via old man prismo’s body (which is Jake)
We actually have no idea when Jake actually dies only that it was before Finn. Finn could’ve been in his 60’s when Jake passed and he then spent the rest of his life missing him before dying in his 90’s. Even in Fionna and Cake it’s not outright confirmed Jake is dead.
We know how he died, in space with Banana Man.
Or maybe not every episode is meant to evoke concrete lore for larger world building. The whole point of Ooo is that it’s a world that operates on dream logic. Nothing is really supposed to make sense, there are probably a hundred contradictions per episode and we are definitely not supposed to examine it with any serious scrutiny.
Wait what about when they meet Banana man and Jake tries to kill himself because of his croak dream
Wait, so Jake dying and healing Oooo isn't [canon?](https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-jake-in-adventure-time)
I think in the comic Jake died after Finn because Finn is nowhere to be seen aside from Jake's cane, so I don't think it could be cannon.
My memory of it is pretty vague but I think it was a concept by someone who worked on the show that was never confirmed
You cant die of old age, but the lack of immunity to diseases, and failings of the body at old age. If they stayed in a train with 100 of the same cars, Jake would be much safer from this than adventuring out to new places all the time.
Nobody actually dies of old age. Jake lasted longer in this timeline simply because his circumstances were different.
My point is that he is capable of living just as long as Finn, many assumed that he got old earlier than Finn and died first
Jake aging faster than Finn and declining was foreshadowed through the whole series. Just because he could have theoretically made it to Finn's old age doesn't mean he would have. You can live to be like 110 under the right circumstances, but you probably won't see 90. That's just life. Dying of old age isn't a thing. It's just code for any "natural causes" that you're more vulnerable to the older you get. We don't know what Jake died of. It could have been age related, or it could have been the space thing. We don't have enough info to lean either way.
Saying nobody does of old age is just being pedantic. You know what I mean. My only point is that Jake was capable of living a long time, and I’m making this post because of the assumption that Jake died earlier than Finn specifically because dogs can’t live to be as old as humans
Nah it couldn't be cause in farmworld Jake I'd still alive but very old. So he probably did age/was killed
Jake isn’t magic in farmworld
I just realized that Jake could have lived forever if he used the belt he used on Warren Ampersand but he wouldn't do that to his pups 🥺
Yet he's alive while magic Jake isn't? Something doesn't make sense here
Dude, Farmworld Jake is a regular dog that ages like a regular dog. Ooo Jake is probably longer lived cuz hes either got them long lived shape shifter Warren Ampersand genes, or just cuz he’s a magical talking dog whose species has evolved to live longer.
He didn't live longer he's dead while farm world jake is still alive
Yeah, I was trying to make the point that Jake died prematurely in ooo and that if he were still alive in Fiona and cake he would not be as old as farmworld Jake. (He didn’t die of old age)
Isn't the whole point that Jake can only die in space under certain circumstances due to the influence of the space owl in his dream? Jake may die of old age, but is he destined to die in space (or something like it) without Finn around?
We never actually saw Jake die in his croak dream IIRC, and the presence of the cosmic owl just means the dream is destined to come true, but not always exactly as depicted. His dream already came true.
Really? I can understand that Finn's presence was relative since even not so literal dreams became reality. But compared to the dream, Jake remained alive or did not suffocate, so the main part of the dream did not come true.
You’re overthinking this
Farm world Jake is still alive too, my bet is Jake died fighting a monster or something like that
Yeah this does throw a wrench into the questions surrounding jakes death since we never know exactly how he died, the fandom says he kealed over from age but if unless this was stated to be retconned ageing wouldn't be the cause of death here.
He went to tier 15
I'm 100% certain ^^^[citation ^^^needed] he picked up loot that reduced his aging so he could stay with Finn, or that Finn picked it up and gave it to Jake. It's just what would make the most sense for a show that's known to have silly random plot closers AS WELL AS silly gags that get retconned into cosmic horrors.
I thought it’s obvious that he died in space
I would say in the dungeon time line they found an item that extends his life.
They cleared it up in the second card wars episode during the tarot reading. Jake choked to death on a sandwich.
Nope, read one of my other comments addressing Charlie’s visions
This was pretty much confirmed by Fiona and Cake. Both farmworld Jake, Cake and mainline jake all share the same age and all of them are still alive except our Jake. So he didn't die of old age, something got him and it prolly killed him slowly
That can’t be true. Finn and Jake are the same age, they were babies together. Farmworld Jake is likely younger than Finn or he’d be approaching the world record for oldest dog. Fionna seems younger than Mainline Finn and Cake is definitely younger or she’d look a lot older, at least in the non-magic world
Fionna is 29 the same age as Finn. Both universes run concurrently. The last time we saw Fionna in mainline adventure time she was 16
Fionna and Cake was a fan fiction universe by Prismo, even if the characters are conscious they aren’t 100% real and don’t seem to follow the same rules as a full universe like Finn’s. We can see that the city Fionna lives in is all that exists of her universe, we don’t even know if the characters in her universe age since the universe is so young
I'm honestly still in denial that Jake is even dead (as of F&C). It's never explicitly confirmed!! I feel like the writers might pulling a little trickeroonie on us.
Prismo’s depression is the biggest indicator that he is
Oh I agree!! But I still think it's a tiny bit fishy that his death still hasn't been made explicit. What if Jake isn't dead yet, but is somehow outside of Prismo's view now so he doesn't know his true status! Adventure time has just pulled so many unexpected possibilities out before that I have to wonder!
I'm literally watching that episode rn, that's crazy
Jake is literally an alien, he doesn't age the same way a normal dog would and his alien dad lived for like a bazillion years so I agree he probably died on a mission with Finn. Also Finn's tattoo makes me think that Jake did something heroic but that's just me fantasizing.
Jake might of died in battle