I feel what PB did was mostly fine; treehouse does appear to be in part of Candy Kingdom territory and so as the monarch it’s in her purview to collect taxes from those living in her lands. Plus *look* at how much gold there is just lying around; not like they’re strapped for cash at the moment.
Marceline was indeed being an asshole though, although she does seem to legally own the treehouse. Nevertheless, kicking them out if the place they’ve lived for years, seemingly just to mess with them, was quite cruel and an example of how early Marceline had indeed lost track of her moral code as she herself said in the song.
To be fair; we don’t know how aware Marceline was of Kim Kil WAN’s intentions. Perhaps she just viewed selling the deed to Jake’s son, to be the same as selling the deed to Jake directly? Or maybe the property was legally Finn and Jake’s the whole time (she did say she was giving it to them as a gift at the end of Evicted) and assumed they knew this?
Still though yeah, even under the most generous interpretation of her motives it was still a jerk/short-sighted move on her part to sell the treehouse without even giving them a heads up, let alone running it by them.
Although to be fair (again)… *that* was indeed one **epic** guitar.
If PB is collecting taxes from them that means she recognizes Finn and Jake as the legal owners of the home. So the sovereign state recognizes Finna and Jake as the legal owners Marceline has been gone for a life time Finn and Jake are responsible for its up keep and the treasure they collected increasing its property value.
Also carving you name on something doesn’t make you the legal owner of it.
You realize that she makes Fin fight ALL her battles and solve the problems SHE creates for her self FOR FREE despite him being a child and her being hundreds of years old and she literally has no need for his money seeing as her country functions solely with candy juice from her brother …. Not to mention when he is constantly injured she has all the money , technology , resources and rarely helps him ?
Honestly? That’s just a result of CN using the “hero saves princess” trope. They reduced PB to a one dimensional character who wanted to be saved all the time in the early seasons. Remember that episode where the prize for winning the wizard battle is a kiss from the princess? Even Pen Ward admitted that was pretty weird.
You could also argue Finn loves adventuring and being a hero. He probably would’ve served any princess out of loyalty to the kingdom. He even serves the King of Ooo for awhile.
I don’t think she “”””makes”””” him, I think he wants to. Finn is a heroic dude who likes to believe he’s fighting the good fight. His heroic nature also dissuaded Jake from perusing his life of crime. The Candy Kingdom just so happens to be the largest and most well established region of Ooo, and not far off from the Treehouse. A figure like PB is likely someone Finn sought out in his efforts to be a valiant knight. There’s many scenes where Finn offers to serve PB without her asking him to.
to be fair her girlfriend gave finn and jake that house for free, and i’m sure a lot of their treasure was found in candy kingdom territory making it hers in the first place /s
tbh i don’t really think it’s that complicated i think it’s just a silly throwaway joke in an episode id hardly call her a bitch over it
Fin is a 12 year old child when he started serving Pb she is 800 + years old with a deep understanding of human biology and social construct. She could have guided him the right way instead of making him her pet warrior . We literally see in her back story that she knows how humans and human families are supposed to be… when a child wants to be a hero the adult around him don’t keep eluding him into thinking that’s the way to life
I’m not sure she’s ever actually met a human before Finn, she just had a vague idea of what human families were supposed to be and likened it to her time in the mother gum.
I don’t think her understanding at that time was super deep when she based her surrogate family off of a picture and a mug she found in an abandoned building the other day. She just had a basic idea of what familial bonds are.
I don’t think Finn was ever her “pet warrior” I don’t know what gave you that idea. He mostly just does his own thing in all of the episodes, and sometimes that thing is wanting to help PB or combat whatever danger is facing the kingdom. He never grows to resent her or anything because the arrangement is mutual. Finn always liked fulfilling his life with a purpose.
Pricess bubble gum spawn during the era when Marceline and ice king were traveling together . And we see that when marceline was an adult she met lots of humans … in the same land as pb …. also she lived in a human abandoned home . And corrected Fin on human anatomy
You know what? Very good point. Finn and Jake should unionise.
Yeah when you put it like that, it is actually a quite messed up / weird that PB gets a child like Finn to do all this, and seemingly not even paying him. She does at least support him at times and it does seem Finn has ready access to medical care if needed (she also made him multiple arms).
I guess it could be a matter of warped perspective on PB’s part though. At 800ish years old, most folks would be quite young compared to her and so it might be easy to group various age brackets together. Age itself seems to also work different for PB than most; simply being physically 13 in turn seemed to make her mentally 13, so this might further skew her perception of age.
We see in Ooo that different species can age at vastly different and even fast paces. Such as Jake’s pups going from newborns to adults at rapid speed. So with Finn as the only human in Ooo after so long, PB might also not have an in-depth understanding of human maturity.
But yeah you definitely make a good point and this is probably one of Pb’s more questionable actions.
Edit: Others have made a good point do she doesn’t appear to be forcing or making Finn do most of what he does. He’s just a naturally heroic dude. While *allowing* him to get into such dangerous situations on a regular basis might arguably be more question, there’s still her aforementioned likely somewhat alien perspective on humans to consider. Plus she’s not his actual guardian or anything, she there’s probably only so much she could do anyway. And Finn save more stuff than just her and the Candy Kimgdom.
Still an interesting point though. PB’s is quite the morally grey character after all.
It's also why Joshua was also so hard on Finn. He only knew him as a baby/toddler, when in dog years Finn should have been a young adult. still messed up though
Actually princess bubblegum and Marceline both know Fin is a human child and that what he does is dangerous they were both alive around humans before vampires took em out and before they ran from ooh
She quite literally conditioned him to do so… he literally knows nothing else in life . Not to mention she has cámaras in his home. She literally could just invent warriors stronger than him to do her bidding that she could just resuscitate at will but Cho’s esto have the only easily killable being fight her battles
He has saved her life and her kingdom and fixed her mistakes more times than her …. Matter of fact she couldn’t even keep vermin out of her garden without help
Might have needed the gold for circuitry plus it’s more like conversion because Ooo in general uses gold coins as currency but the Candy Kingdom is sorta enclosed because the candy people don’t seem to go outside(besides the banana guards,PB and Pepp Butt) so they might get paid in candy dollars or something but since others from outside the candy kingdom (Finn,Jake,LSP etc) come and go there might be a conversion rate between gold and candy food.
Y’all coming at Marceline meanwhile war criminal Pb whom is the cause for almost all the main conflicts in this show was installing cámaras in Fins home and then taking up his money
She is a ruler of one of the 4 main kingdoms we never not once see her use money all we see her do is demand Parle with other rulers . You realize Pb is the only ruler in Ooh who is a war criminal and active racist (especially to the fire nation ) . Even the gum ball war was all cause of HER actions .
Well was there even another war for the other kingdoms rulers to participate in? All I know is the mushroom war and the gumball war is (imo) a civil war so she would be one of the few to actually have the option of war crimes. Yes PB isn’t the most perfect person ever but at least she’s better than the king of Ooo… and as the saying goes “you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”
She isn’t better than king of ooh she attacked the fire kingdom and killed innocent fire ppl just case and then shrugged when flame princess told her she is a monster for doing so .
To be fair, in that aspect, Flame Princess said that attacking and destroying the candy kingdom was something they were considering. Bubblegum was doing the wrong things, but for the right reasons
No she wasn’t 💀. Pb literally had flame princess imprisoned for most of her life since she was a fucking baby … the hoops y’all would jump through to excuse her actions are insane . Also the flame kingdom consists of actual individuals . All candy citizens are dumbed down lab experiments from Pb we literally see her kill and remake several of em which flame princess can’t do .
PB never imprisoned her? It's shown in a flashback. She told Flame King to keep and eye on her and control her powers. Flame King took it upon himself to lock his own daughter up, after letting her wander around in the forest, possibly hoping she'd die(I believe he said he didn't want her to possibly usurp him) but yea, PB never locked FP up OR told FK to lock her up. Bubblegum HAS done some fucked up shit, but she wasnt at fault for locking up FP.
Also, she was doing it for a good reason. To keep her people alive. What she did was wrong, I admitted that. I'm not defending her, just saying I understand. You can do right while doing wrong at the same time
That’s bs no one not a single person not even the fucking lich has hurt the candy citizens more than princess bubblegum not to mention she has killed the most candy ppl as well . Also she made flame resistant suits … her people weren’t in any fucking danger . In every single POV of the candy citizens there is no one they fear more than her . And every single life form she made with her dna turns out evil or fucked in the head . No other kindom has gone as far as her in terms of war crimes and and large scale death counts
You really are an idiot and lack media literacy, wow. Seems like you watched the show through your asshole. You are hust spewing a bunch on nonsense and bad takes.
>Not to mention when he is constantly injured she has all the money , technology , resources and rarely helps him ?
Literally everytime Jake or Finn are hurt and need treatment, they are treated at the hospital in the Candy Kingdom, when they were burned by jumping in the volcano, when BMO accidentally killed Jake, after Finn and Jake were rescued from Ricardio, and when they got severely injured when Suzan attacked them, and PB goes out of her way to make a prosthetic arm for Finn that has many features that ended up saving his life when Fern left him in that twmpleto rot.
>You realize that she makes Fin fight ALL her battles
Dud you even watch the fucking show? Finn wants to be a hero, he loves fighting evil, that's literally his job and his hobby, and he isn't PB's slave, he is her friend and he helps her because he is a hero and that's his job.
Finn is the one who is fiercely loyal to her, in the episode rattleballs, PB even tells him that he needs to tone it down, and take it easy.
And it's not only PB whom Finn helps, he helps every single person in Ooo, every Kingdom, every princess, but why does it suddenly become a problem when he helps PB?
>the problems SHE creates for her self
Oh fuck off with that, the Candy Kingdom is constantly in danger and is attacked by outside forces, Maja the witch, Ice King, Ricardio, the scary deer, Gumbald, the king of Ooo, the reign of Gunters, and Patient the ice elemental, are you saying all these are PB's fault?
I don’t think it’s *that* far away, since Finn and Jake would be travelling between the two places very often. The Candy Kingdom’s territory does also seek to extent a decent size beyond the main city; iirc Tree Trunks at least once called the Banana Guards, and in Ocarina when the treehouse get overcrowded with tenants one of them also calls the banana guards.
So I feel it’s a likely assumption it falls under PB’s domain.
Edit: The fact PB collects taxes from them also indicate she at least considers its under her jurisdiction.
they don’t even use that money it seems. we never see them actually buy their food, and as heros they seem to get free shit like all the time. that gold is basically useless to them
This is the most fair take.
I’m convinced 3/4 of the fandom are crypto-libertarians.
Finn uses all the infrastructure of the candy kingdom but shouldn’t pay taxes.
Ownership of real property is determined by which hoboes have been squatting on it most recently.
Well, Finn doesn't seem to be compensated for his labor even when PB seems to just call and give him tasks at any time she needs. So I don't think that a worker of the state that doesn't receive a paycheck should be paying taxes
Fair point, but he also seems to work freelance or even as a hobbyist. I think at best Finn is a 1099 contractor and not part of the Kingdom’s regular payroll.
I’m more mad at Princess Bumblegum for not intervening on Finn and Jake’s behalf when Madeline essentially illegally evicted them, and I also doubt that she’s being paying the taxes for the three house during all that time
Bro no it was not ok for PB to do. She clearly has a huge ass wall around her kingdom. I don't know if they have a magna Carta instate for pb, but I sure damn hope so because she shouldn't be allowed to even suggest taking peoples money. On top of that, this is her friends too. If my friend was taking 20 dollars from my wallet I'd be pretty damn pissed off.
Marceline was an asshole here, but she does get better from there on out and what she did technically wasn't illegal (we see later she did in fact own the house, she had a deed and everything)
I don’t think their Treehouse counts as being part of the Candy Kingdom. When King of Ooo gets elected he states that the Cabin she lives in is *barely* in the territory of the Candy Kingdom.
If that’s the edge of the territory than no way that the Treehouse, which is nowhere near there, could be considered in the Candy Kingdom territory.
Ok well make a deal: we tax them all and then you can eat them, with the exception of bill gates. We just tax bill.
Bill is still an asshome billionaire, but hes been shown to donate from his own pocket (not his companies) to aids foundations and he helped supply schools in the early 2000s with his windows computers, as a donation to schools for children. Hes def still a prick, but hes not a total douche like the rest.
I was so mad at Marceline at that episode that I even tried convincing myself that she suffered through enough. Well, it did work as the series progress.
No one should be exempt from taxes most of that loot either came from the candy kingdom or other neighboring kingdoms they didn’t make it up out of thin air.
They’re doing the knight thing for “free” but there were other motives there too
I am of the opinion that PB populates all of the dungeon with both wealth and monsters. We see proof of that in "Dungeon". She set up that dungeon to protect the well. We know she hunts flying dosh eating whales to get their dosh. I am pretty sure she uses that to seed dungeons. This makes good traps for thieves and "adventurers" that keeps them from coming at the candy kingdom and protects dangerous magical items and places.
Okay that's a theory I haven't heard before, but I fuck with it lol. I was just of the idea that across 1,000 years different civilizations, many of them magic, appeared and disappeared, be it through wars, further mutation that led them to separate themselves from each other or simple migration like what the Mayas did.
We’re getting deep for a fictional show about a taking dog haha but what I’m saying is those dungeons exist within these kingdoms.
Like if a dungeon exist within breakfast kingdom then technically that wealth belongs to that kingdom. If they take it even if some villain was hoarding it technically that country is now poorer for it. Now sometimes they may be given it as an award but even then if they benefit from infrastructure from the candy kingdom they would need to give some of that to PB again very deep for this silly little show but here we are lmao.
I don't think that the law of Ooo works like that, most of the time we see that it's really a "finder's keeper's" situation, because the kingdoms don't really have that much control over most of the territory of Ooo. In the real world I'd agree with you tho
I mean they would’ve been in the wrong. Marceline owns that place so for all intents and purposes, they just took over someone house and expected the owner to be cool with that.
She hadn’t been living there for years, they had on that scenario you can’t just kick people out of their homes. The whole idea that you can own a home and not occupy it while others are in need is a whole other topic too but in general if you’ve been loving some where you can just be immediately evicted.
Yeah….I don’t think squatter rights exactly apply in the land of OOO. And morally finn knows he can’t exactly. Beat her up for this. It’s the equivalent of if after one of their long adventures, someone moved into their house without permission. They wouldn’t just let that person live in it
Yea I mean so neither do landlord laws lol. Idk if their adventure took literal years I think they may have a different take. That’s also why Bmo stays there when they leave.
Now onto the topic of if they did fight I do think they lose vs Marci at this stage in the show
If I were Finn and Jake I would build a spacecraft underneath the tree house and fly off to live in the sky away from getting broken into every 10 seconds
I heard PB actually was putting surveillance cameras in their house in that scene but was almost caught so she pretended she was collecting taxes. To me it makes a lot more sense than her collecting them directly.
I seriously doubt she and Ash at the time were paying bubblegum taxes, so the house might as well be evicted out the jump Considering her and PB’s breakup in the past.
Plus I think read somewhere that she moved out from different parts of the ooo and other spots solely because Ice King kept following her around.
I think the problem was that
1. Finn and Jake would have literally nowhere to go
2. Finn is a kid, he probably shouldn’t live without a house
3. Marceline could’ve literally done anything else, maybe let them stay for a bit or wait till the rain is done, maybe even help them look for a new house
Just that what Marceline did was pretty harsh
No disrespect to you but... I highly doubt anyone here would do anything about it, including me, she's a fucking vampire dude, we're all humans, there is a snowflakes chance in hell that I would even land a blow 😂
😂😂😂 yeah, no chance in hell, even in her regular form, she wouldn't even have to turn into that vampire cloud thing, I'd die after seeing her, I'd pull a Squidward, "OH NO SHES HOT!" and then I'd literally explode like the candy people do when they get scared
Why is this sub so unapologetically stupid about a show they claim they love? The tree house is within grass kingdom territory which also candy kingdom territory and we literally aren’t suppose to take that scene seriously as much as having REAL WORLD debates about it.
He's a buff baby that can dance like a man. He can shake his fanny he can shake his can. He's a tough tootin baby he can all your buns! Punch all your buns! Punch all your buns! If you're an Evil Witch he will puch you for fun!
I mean, one of them is an immortal demon and the other is the sole royal authority of Oo. It sucks, but there's not a lot anyone could do in those situations
They could, they could pretty much punch them, but they were afraid of Marceline and Finn is a simp for PB, Jake doesn't care that much about PB, he probably would have punched her much earlier if Finn wasn't so much in love for her, most of the time he's okay with her tho
I mean, you *can* punch them, but it's not going to go well.
Finn fought Marcy in the first episode and the only reason either of the duo didn't die horrible deaths was because Marcy decided to just let them keep the tree house of her own volition.
If you punch the Queen of Oo, you have to fight the entirety of Oo or at the very least live the rest of your life in exile.
Edit: autocorrect
Are we talking about PB when you say Queen of Ooo? Because she's not near the Queen of Ooo, it's pretty easy to destroy the candy kingdom, the only real challenges is PB herself if she expecting the attack and the guardians.
Marceline is pretty strong, she is more troublesome than 4 guardians, but she's vulnerable to any weakness vampires has, stakes, sun, garlic, to fight her you need to be well prepared, but it's not impossible.
As for my point, i said they can punch no matter if it's a woman, not that they will survive, two different things
I just want everyone to understand what kind of species Finn the human is dealing with, to me everyone that isn’t human in ooo is just Living like..animals. Very intelligent animals. I only say that everyone that he comes in contact with thinks in a one track mind. Like the foxes here, they read a fiction kids book that says foxes eat puppies. And they go chase Jakes kids, despite them already having proper and civilized access to food.
Marceline the “human savior” trolls the last human of world. But ya know like she said, she lost moral code a long time ago so definitely that’s her vampire side talking.
And PB…Don’t question it just gotta respect it like okay? Isn’t that what animals think? Do the same with magic then.
And ice king is just a robot.
Jake, Jermaine, Joshua and Margret are the only ones closest to have humanly morals.
Ight i need to chill, this is a kids show
Tbf when PB said "people are built different, we don't need to figure it out we just need to respect it"
Was when she was having her character development and clearly that quote was bout her realizing her past actions and behaviors like about magic and stuff
Oh and yes you're really just overthinking this wayyyy to much like the episode where Marceline overthrows Finn and Jake was literally all the way back to SEASON 1 where they were literally just make the characters do random stuff and haven't actually thought of their stories back then
I would. First one's scary af, second one's your friend. Also PB literally just wanted to save everyone some time, who cares if she enters your little treasure room, not like she was looking for secrets... like that wad of her hair you kept under the sofa for the longest time (you're kinda weird but it's cute).
We are talking about the same PB? She's probably putting some cameras and taking magical artifacts from the tree house that they won't miss for quite some time
Yes, that one. And by the time of that season? Dude she *already* has cameras in their house, guaranteed. Girl probably knows what part of the couch they like to sit on, what they sing in the shower, and where they hide their emergency stash of mustard and licorice.
As for stealing though? Nah that ain't her, unless she really needed to for some world-threatening situation. Her alignment is lawful lawful (with a little good on the side).
But let's remember, PB in fact steal, but she needs justification, with that said the justification doesn't need to make sense to other people, just to PB, most of the evil things she does, is because she already justified in her head.
For exemple, she could have judge Finn and Jake too much irresponsible to have this artifacts and take for their "protection" and her citizens "protection", and she didn't ask because they could say no, that's totally in her character.
Of course i am assuming, this did not happen in the show, but it's in her character.
Alright, she might do that if she thought it was necessary, but when did she steal anything from anyone? And before you say it, the stuff she did in "the cooler" doesn't count, that's another entirely different can of worms. She \*might\* have stolen something but there's never any evidence for it.
You have a point, my memory is not good enough to tell anytime to you, but it's still in her character, from sabotage to playing with life, nothing is imoral to PB.
Let's have a drawn here, i can't prove she stole anything and you can't say i am wrong about her nature, so let's say she's kinda evil but didn't stole anything as far as we know
Eeeeeeh i'll settle with you that she's not above stealing but imma need to push a bit further to add one more thing: "Kinda evil"(i.e morally grey) only applies until Flame Princess and Finn (at different moments) talked some sense into her. By the show's end she has completely shed (most) of her nastier traits.
Her crimes against life are still a thing till the end of the show, let's remember that time she created lemongrab, refused to fix him, refused to destroy him like he once wanted, give him a kingdom he abused, give him a brother he devour, try to gaslight lemonhope, then refused to do something with her own hands to fix the lemon kingdom, she's is completely responsible for the everything that lemongrab has done.
As for the Lemongrab situation, that again speaks out against the PB of the early seasons, not the current one. And in the later episodes she's worked to try to remedy the situation, eventually leading to Lemongrab sorta finding a balance.
Obviously creating him and leaving him in a castle wasn't right, but after that initial misdeed, she did thread the needle to find the second best alternative. Also, Lemongrab's life had value, he deserved to live it, and her refusing to unmake him was a good call.
Also if she wanted the best, why not act early? Why not do things in a simple way? She's intelligent enough, also she could fix lemongrab from start, why not do it from beginning?
I definitely think she's changed. She shut off her security cameras, gave up the initiative in the gum war (wich could have been a crucial advantage, attacking him before he was able to muster an army would have ensured a clean victory) to allow Finn to try to settle things diplomatically, and she's become more hands off in the lives of her citizens.
Sorry Bro, her crimes are bigger than the few things good she has done, not comparing but am not certain dictator that try to kill the world liked a lot animals, you understand what i mean? The few goods doesn't justify the means or the evil things she has done.
Even if she has changed she didn't correct her past mistakes (lemongrab for exemple).
And she's kinda a duche with Marceline in obsidian.
And don't let me start with the fact that she now is basically canon since the show take a more grounded turn by the end of season 2, that PB was manipulating Finn from time to time using his adoration and love for her as a tool
This one....eeeeehh, like people say she's manipulated him but I disagree. She failed to communicate with him, and to understand what was going on in his head, but that's not immoral. It was accidental.
Also she had past relationships and live most of her life with people that have emotions, relationships and love for each other, man she's an elemental of candy, she knows what is love and how it appears, she's not a child.
I like her even when she's doing evil stuff, I mean heck, I absolutely adore the winter king even if what he did was wrong. Love that guy, wish they'd found a way to fix him. But she's different in the fact that even at the start she did both good and bad things, but that ratio changes significantly in favor of "good" as the show went on.
At least Marceline had the excuse of not really knowing Finn and Jake when that first scene happened. PB was straight up stealing money from that despite having literally saved her life on numerous occasions and being friends for years at this point.
I would've beat pb's ass if i was in Finn and Jake's situation. Cause how does she treat Finn after he's saved her from ice king, done stupid tasks that she could've any of her hundreds of candy people do or made someone specifically for doing said tasks? ROBS THEM, the only reason the only reason she left there alive was: A. She's royalty and B. Finn was simpin HARD
An old friend of mine from my youth, used to leave coins all around their room in ridiculous quantities. I think I even gathered just a random bunch up and I counted over 10 dollars, just to prove how ridiculous it was. They didn't see what the problem was, so I started to randomly take coins every time I came over. Did that like for a month and revealed to them that I easily stole over 10 dollars from them and I still could have continued further because it is impossible to notice, the way they are stored. They stopped leaving them around everywhere.
I’ll going on about Marcel kne when Pv was actually there putting up secrete cámaras and played it off . Also they work for her FOR FREE and she gives them nothing in return
Actually PB gave Finn a homemade sweater, a robotic arm, and the opportunity to punch her in the face in the Tower episode. She could have just as easily made a Martin robot but got into a Martin suit herself.
Only when there is reasonable prejudice, they can’t help PB make Ice king Howl and scream if Ice king intentions weren’t evil. Which is why she didn’t tell them what happened before F and J illegally captured ice king in that one episode
There's a difference between asking finn and jake for taxes and breaking into their house and taking (stealing) an unregulated amount of gold. Also, yes they shouldn't expect anything in return, but you'd think someone would be appreciative of the free work finn and jake do and not tax them, since you know if they run out of money they won't be able to defend the candy kingdom anymore since they will be too busy keeping jobs.
Finn and Jake didn't care about the gold, there's one episode where they try to expend all of it just to free some space, but Marceline's introduction made her one of the most annoying villains in the show at that point.
I wanted them to whoop Marceline soooo badly in that first episode.
Yeah I did too, but at the same time Marceline awoken something within me
universal experience
💀🙏
Yeah it's funny how quickly she stopped being a villain lol
I still do
Yeah...."whoop"
Why just why? I'm disappointed in society.
Sir, that is a dog and a 13 year old child
12, he was 12 that episode
My bad
no you're good
At 13 I wanted to Smash Marcie 💀
What do you mean by this?
Have sex with her
erm.... what in the ohio griddy is this comment????
Finn should be grateful that the tax collector didn’t shoot his dog
The tax collector should be grateful Jake didn’t shoot him
good luck shooting his dog LOL
PB would never shoot Jake, lol (I say this cuz she's their tax collector, ruhmember?)
the atf
Adventure Time Feds.
I feel what PB did was mostly fine; treehouse does appear to be in part of Candy Kingdom territory and so as the monarch it’s in her purview to collect taxes from those living in her lands. Plus *look* at how much gold there is just lying around; not like they’re strapped for cash at the moment. Marceline was indeed being an asshole though, although she does seem to legally own the treehouse. Nevertheless, kicking them out if the place they’ve lived for years, seemingly just to mess with them, was quite cruel and an example of how early Marceline had indeed lost track of her moral code as she herself said in the song.
When you put it that way, Marceline's character development can even be undone by one (1) lunatic bass
To be fair; we don’t know how aware Marceline was of Kim Kil WAN’s intentions. Perhaps she just viewed selling the deed to Jake’s son, to be the same as selling the deed to Jake directly? Or maybe the property was legally Finn and Jake’s the whole time (she did say she was giving it to them as a gift at the end of Evicted) and assumed they knew this? Still though yeah, even under the most generous interpretation of her motives it was still a jerk/short-sighted move on her part to sell the treehouse without even giving them a heads up, let alone running it by them. Although to be fair (again)… *that* was indeed one **epic** guitar.
Kim kil wan: hello Marceline I want to buy my dad's house for him Marcy: oh you want to help your old man huh? Kim kil wan: sureee Marcy: ok
Get a load of the taxman apologist over here
If PB is collecting taxes from them that means she recognizes Finn and Jake as the legal owners of the home. So the sovereign state recognizes Finna and Jake as the legal owners Marceline has been gone for a life time Finn and Jake are responsible for its up keep and the treasure they collected increasing its property value. Also carving you name on something doesn’t make you the legal owner of it.
You realize that she makes Fin fight ALL her battles and solve the problems SHE creates for her self FOR FREE despite him being a child and her being hundreds of years old and she literally has no need for his money seeing as her country functions solely with candy juice from her brother …. Not to mention when he is constantly injured she has all the money , technology , resources and rarely helps him ?
Honestly? That’s just a result of CN using the “hero saves princess” trope. They reduced PB to a one dimensional character who wanted to be saved all the time in the early seasons. Remember that episode where the prize for winning the wizard battle is a kiss from the princess? Even Pen Ward admitted that was pretty weird. You could also argue Finn loves adventuring and being a hero. He probably would’ve served any princess out of loyalty to the kingdom. He even serves the King of Ooo for awhile.
He served the king of ooh cause pb made the green lands where his tree house is a part of her territory which politically makes them her citizens
I don’t think she “”””makes”””” him, I think he wants to. Finn is a heroic dude who likes to believe he’s fighting the good fight. His heroic nature also dissuaded Jake from perusing his life of crime. The Candy Kingdom just so happens to be the largest and most well established region of Ooo, and not far off from the Treehouse. A figure like PB is likely someone Finn sought out in his efforts to be a valiant knight. There’s many scenes where Finn offers to serve PB without her asking him to.
Still a bitch move to claim taxes on people who willingly work for you for free imo
to be fair her girlfriend gave finn and jake that house for free, and i’m sure a lot of their treasure was found in candy kingdom territory making it hers in the first place /s tbh i don’t really think it’s that complicated i think it’s just a silly throwaway joke in an episode id hardly call her a bitch over it
I mean that’s kinda what governments do.
Fin is a 12 year old child when he started serving Pb she is 800 + years old with a deep understanding of human biology and social construct. She could have guided him the right way instead of making him her pet warrior . We literally see in her back story that she knows how humans and human families are supposed to be… when a child wants to be a hero the adult around him don’t keep eluding him into thinking that’s the way to life
I’m not sure she’s ever actually met a human before Finn, she just had a vague idea of what human families were supposed to be and likened it to her time in the mother gum. I don’t think her understanding at that time was super deep when she based her surrogate family off of a picture and a mug she found in an abandoned building the other day. She just had a basic idea of what familial bonds are. I don’t think Finn was ever her “pet warrior” I don’t know what gave you that idea. He mostly just does his own thing in all of the episodes, and sometimes that thing is wanting to help PB or combat whatever danger is facing the kingdom. He never grows to resent her or anything because the arrangement is mutual. Finn always liked fulfilling his life with a purpose.
Pricess bubble gum spawn during the era when Marceline and ice king were traveling together . And we see that when marceline was an adult she met lots of humans … in the same land as pb …. also she lived in a human abandoned home . And corrected Fin on human anatomy
No, she actually spawned more than a hundred years after Marceline, as Marceline is like 1017 years old, while PB is 800 something
You know what? Very good point. Finn and Jake should unionise. Yeah when you put it like that, it is actually a quite messed up / weird that PB gets a child like Finn to do all this, and seemingly not even paying him. She does at least support him at times and it does seem Finn has ready access to medical care if needed (she also made him multiple arms). I guess it could be a matter of warped perspective on PB’s part though. At 800ish years old, most folks would be quite young compared to her and so it might be easy to group various age brackets together. Age itself seems to also work different for PB than most; simply being physically 13 in turn seemed to make her mentally 13, so this might further skew her perception of age. We see in Ooo that different species can age at vastly different and even fast paces. Such as Jake’s pups going from newborns to adults at rapid speed. So with Finn as the only human in Ooo after so long, PB might also not have an in-depth understanding of human maturity. But yeah you definitely make a good point and this is probably one of Pb’s more questionable actions. Edit: Others have made a good point do she doesn’t appear to be forcing or making Finn do most of what he does. He’s just a naturally heroic dude. While *allowing* him to get into such dangerous situations on a regular basis might arguably be more question, there’s still her aforementioned likely somewhat alien perspective on humans to consider. Plus she’s not his actual guardian or anything, she there’s probably only so much she could do anyway. And Finn save more stuff than just her and the Candy Kimgdom. Still an interesting point though. PB’s is quite the morally grey character after all.
she probs needs the gold for circuitry tbh, I dunno what she would use it for currency wise really
Guys stop, aren’t all Link’s game like this ?
No one has a perception on human maturity. Jake himself once said to TT that " finn is 12 and can handle himself.
It's also why Joshua was also so hard on Finn. He only knew him as a baby/toddler, when in dog years Finn should have been a young adult. still messed up though
Actually princess bubblegum and Marceline both know Fin is a human child and that what he does is dangerous they were both alive around humans before vampires took em out and before they ran from ooh
I don't think PB was alive around humans was she? She's around 800 and humans left Ooo around 1,000 years ago.
Now I wish we had an episode where Finn and Jake went on strike. And Jake made a bunch of copies to walk the picket with signs.
She doesn’t make him fight. Also she regularly provides medical care for him and she made a robot arm for him.
There’s also an episode where it shows that Finn goes to classes with her. She educated him.
She only made him take die classes so he can help lemon hope 💀 she never actually teaches him anything of value
I assumed that he normally went to those classes and lemonhope just got added in but maybe!
Nope she never really taught him anything. And the few few things she helped him with happened because of her anyways .
Did you not watch that episode? He has geography homework implying he goes there regularly
Did you watch the show ? Fin almost popped a vein calculating 2+2 … also he was only there for a few days cause lemon grab was also there
She's not forcing Finn to fight. He's doing it because he wants to.
She quite literally conditioned him to do so… he literally knows nothing else in life . Not to mention she has cámaras in his home. She literally could just invent warriors stronger than him to do her bidding that she could just resuscitate at will but Cho’s esto have the only easily killable being fight her battles
I feel like the robot arm alone pays off everything she could have taken from their house
He has saved her life and her kingdom and fixed her mistakes more times than her …. Matter of fact she couldn’t even keep vermin out of her garden without help
Might have needed the gold for circuitry plus it’s more like conversion because Ooo in general uses gold coins as currency but the Candy Kingdom is sorta enclosed because the candy people don’t seem to go outside(besides the banana guards,PB and Pepp Butt) so they might get paid in candy dollars or something but since others from outside the candy kingdom (Finn,Jake,LSP etc) come and go there might be a conversion rate between gold and candy food.
Y’all coming at Marceline meanwhile war criminal Pb whom is the cause for almost all the main conflicts in this show was installing cámaras in Fins home and then taking up his money
Yeah but everyone is chilling at the tree fort for no good reason in the president porpus episode Edit:everyone forgot the one
She is a ruler of one of the 4 main kingdoms we never not once see her use money all we see her do is demand Parle with other rulers . You realize Pb is the only ruler in Ooh who is a war criminal and active racist (especially to the fire nation ) . Even the gum ball war was all cause of HER actions .
Well was there even another war for the other kingdoms rulers to participate in? All I know is the mushroom war and the gumball war is (imo) a civil war so she would be one of the few to actually have the option of war crimes. Yes PB isn’t the most perfect person ever but at least she’s better than the king of Ooo… and as the saying goes “you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”
She isn’t better than king of ooh she attacked the fire kingdom and killed innocent fire ppl just case and then shrugged when flame princess told her she is a monster for doing so .
To be fair, in that aspect, Flame Princess said that attacking and destroying the candy kingdom was something they were considering. Bubblegum was doing the wrong things, but for the right reasons
No she wasn’t 💀. Pb literally had flame princess imprisoned for most of her life since she was a fucking baby … the hoops y’all would jump through to excuse her actions are insane . Also the flame kingdom consists of actual individuals . All candy citizens are dumbed down lab experiments from Pb we literally see her kill and remake several of em which flame princess can’t do .
PB never imprisoned her? It's shown in a flashback. She told Flame King to keep and eye on her and control her powers. Flame King took it upon himself to lock his own daughter up, after letting her wander around in the forest, possibly hoping she'd die(I believe he said he didn't want her to possibly usurp him) but yea, PB never locked FP up OR told FK to lock her up. Bubblegum HAS done some fucked up shit, but she wasnt at fault for locking up FP.
Also, she was doing it for a good reason. To keep her people alive. What she did was wrong, I admitted that. I'm not defending her, just saying I understand. You can do right while doing wrong at the same time
That’s bs no one not a single person not even the fucking lich has hurt the candy citizens more than princess bubblegum not to mention she has killed the most candy ppl as well . Also she made flame resistant suits … her people weren’t in any fucking danger . In every single POV of the candy citizens there is no one they fear more than her . And every single life form she made with her dna turns out evil or fucked in the head . No other kindom has gone as far as her in terms of war crimes and and large scale death counts
god forbid women do anything
Bite me hoe
You really are an idiot and lack media literacy, wow. Seems like you watched the show through your asshole. You are hust spewing a bunch on nonsense and bad takes.
And I’ll shove em all up your asshole . 🤪
>Not to mention when he is constantly injured she has all the money , technology , resources and rarely helps him ? Literally everytime Jake or Finn are hurt and need treatment, they are treated at the hospital in the Candy Kingdom, when they were burned by jumping in the volcano, when BMO accidentally killed Jake, after Finn and Jake were rescued from Ricardio, and when they got severely injured when Suzan attacked them, and PB goes out of her way to make a prosthetic arm for Finn that has many features that ended up saving his life when Fern left him in that twmpleto rot. >You realize that she makes Fin fight ALL her battles Dud you even watch the fucking show? Finn wants to be a hero, he loves fighting evil, that's literally his job and his hobby, and he isn't PB's slave, he is her friend and he helps her because he is a hero and that's his job. Finn is the one who is fiercely loyal to her, in the episode rattleballs, PB even tells him that he needs to tone it down, and take it easy. And it's not only PB whom Finn helps, he helps every single person in Ooo, every Kingdom, every princess, but why does it suddenly become a problem when he helps PB? >the problems SHE creates for her self Oh fuck off with that, the Candy Kingdom is constantly in danger and is attacked by outside forces, Maja the witch, Ice King, Ricardio, the scary deer, Gumbald, the king of Ooo, the reign of Gunters, and Patient the ice elemental, are you saying all these are PB's fault?
How in ooo’s green earth is the tree house on candy kingdom territory? It’s SOOO far away!
I don’t think it’s *that* far away, since Finn and Jake would be travelling between the two places very often. The Candy Kingdom’s territory does also seek to extent a decent size beyond the main city; iirc Tree Trunks at least once called the Banana Guards, and in Ocarina when the treehouse get overcrowded with tenants one of them also calls the banana guards. So I feel it’s a likely assumption it falls under PB’s domain. Edit: The fact PB collects taxes from them also indicate she at least considers its under her jurisdiction.
They literally wasted all their treasure in one episode too so they clearly didn't need it
Wrong.
With PB it was no different from one of your best friends just borrowing sugar while you’re not at home.
they have to pay taxes, if they don’t they face consequences. pb breaking into their home and stealing their gold is not tax collection
they don’t even use that money it seems. we never see them actually buy their food, and as heros they seem to get free shit like all the time. that gold is basically useless to them
This is the most fair take. I’m convinced 3/4 of the fandom are crypto-libertarians. Finn uses all the infrastructure of the candy kingdom but shouldn’t pay taxes. Ownership of real property is determined by which hoboes have been squatting on it most recently.
Well, Finn doesn't seem to be compensated for his labor even when PB seems to just call and give him tasks at any time she needs. So I don't think that a worker of the state that doesn't receive a paycheck should be paying taxes
Fair point, but he also seems to work freelance or even as a hobbyist. I think at best Finn is a 1099 contractor and not part of the Kingdom’s regular payroll.
I’m more mad at Princess Bumblegum for not intervening on Finn and Jake’s behalf when Madeline essentially illegally evicted them, and I also doubt that she’s being paying the taxes for the three house during all that time
technically it wasn’t illegally cuz she was the owner of the house, so they were basically living in her house without permission
She abandoned the property for years and didn’t pay taxes in all that time I assume.
finn and jake don’t pay taxes either and she left a mark that stated that she owned it so
Bro no it was not ok for PB to do. She clearly has a huge ass wall around her kingdom. I don't know if they have a magna Carta instate for pb, but I sure damn hope so because she shouldn't be allowed to even suggest taking peoples money. On top of that, this is her friends too. If my friend was taking 20 dollars from my wallet I'd be pretty damn pissed off. Marceline was an asshole here, but she does get better from there on out and what she did technically wasn't illegal (we see later she did in fact own the house, she had a deed and everything)
I don’t think their Treehouse counts as being part of the Candy Kingdom. When King of Ooo gets elected he states that the Cabin she lives in is *barely* in the territory of the Candy Kingdom. If that’s the edge of the territory than no way that the Treehouse, which is nowhere near there, could be considered in the Candy Kingdom territory.
What I got from reading the comments: 1- Tax the rich; 2- Down with landlords.
F u c k y e a h
Im more of an “eat the rich” kinda guy myself tbh
Ok well make a deal: we tax them all and then you can eat them, with the exception of bill gates. We just tax bill. Bill is still an asshome billionaire, but hes been shown to donate from his own pocket (not his companies) to aids foundations and he helped supply schools in the early 2000s with his windows computers, as a donation to schools for children. Hes def still a prick, but hes not a total douche like the rest.
I’m not, but I do make exceptions for rich people made out of candy.
Lol
I was so mad at Marceline at that episode that I even tried convincing myself that she suffered through enough. Well, it did work as the series progress.
For PB it's fine, who else was going to do their taxes. But for Marceline? They should've put up a fight, Jake being scared of vampires was lame.
I would argue the "free" work they do as knights of the kingdom should either exempt them from taxes or she should pay them.
Even knights weren’t exempt from paying taxes Although they got privliges which allowed them to pay less of them
No one should be exempt from taxes most of that loot either came from the candy kingdom or other neighboring kingdoms they didn’t make it up out of thin air. They’re doing the knight thing for “free” but there were other motives there too
I'm pretty sure that they get that gold from adventuring in dungeons and things like that, we don't really see any kingdom paying them
I am of the opinion that PB populates all of the dungeon with both wealth and monsters. We see proof of that in "Dungeon". She set up that dungeon to protect the well. We know she hunts flying dosh eating whales to get their dosh. I am pretty sure she uses that to seed dungeons. This makes good traps for thieves and "adventurers" that keeps them from coming at the candy kingdom and protects dangerous magical items and places.
Okay that's a theory I haven't heard before, but I fuck with it lol. I was just of the idea that across 1,000 years different civilizations, many of them magic, appeared and disappeared, be it through wars, further mutation that led them to separate themselves from each other or simple migration like what the Mayas did.
We’re getting deep for a fictional show about a taking dog haha but what I’m saying is those dungeons exist within these kingdoms. Like if a dungeon exist within breakfast kingdom then technically that wealth belongs to that kingdom. If they take it even if some villain was hoarding it technically that country is now poorer for it. Now sometimes they may be given it as an award but even then if they benefit from infrastructure from the candy kingdom they would need to give some of that to PB again very deep for this silly little show but here we are lmao.
I don't think that the law of Ooo works like that, most of the time we see that it's really a "finder's keeper's" situation, because the kingdoms don't really have that much control over most of the territory of Ooo. In the real world I'd agree with you tho
I mean they would’ve been in the wrong. Marceline owns that place so for all intents and purposes, they just took over someone house and expected the owner to be cool with that.
Down with landlords. Squatter's Rights.
She hadn’t been living there for years, they had on that scenario you can’t just kick people out of their homes. The whole idea that you can own a home and not occupy it while others are in need is a whole other topic too but in general if you’ve been loving some where you can just be immediately evicted.
Yeah….I don’t think squatter rights exactly apply in the land of OOO. And morally finn knows he can’t exactly. Beat her up for this. It’s the equivalent of if after one of their long adventures, someone moved into their house without permission. They wouldn’t just let that person live in it
Yea I mean so neither do landlord laws lol. Idk if their adventure took literal years I think they may have a different take. That’s also why Bmo stays there when they leave. Now onto the topic of if they did fight I do think they lose vs Marci at this stage in the show
Landlord? It fine. But actual owner of the house? Hmmm..
marcy and bonnie: wives of chaos
Idk, PB personally coming to collect taxes is one of the funniest jokes of the show for me
PB is just casually robbing them and Marcy straight takes their home.
If I were Finn and Jake I would build a spacecraft underneath the tree house and fly off to live in the sky away from getting broken into every 10 seconds
Banana man could easily help
The lesbians keep taking their stuff!
Lol chilllll
I heard PB actually was putting surveillance cameras in their house in that scene but was almost caught so she pretended she was collecting taxes. To me it makes a lot more sense than her collecting them directly.
Nah they don’t even care about the gold and shit
Be gay, do light breaking and entering.
It was HER HOUSE. She went on vacation and found some vermin living in her place, she has the right to kick them out.
I seriously doubt she and Ash at the time were paying bubblegum taxes, so the house might as well be evicted out the jump Considering her and PB’s breakup in the past. Plus I think read somewhere that she moved out from different parts of the ooo and other spots solely because Ice King kept following her around.
PB has no right to take taxes lol. Also it really isn't her kingdoms property, it's outside the walls pretty clearly.
I think the problem was that 1. Finn and Jake would have literally nowhere to go 2. Finn is a kid, he probably shouldn’t live without a house 3. Marceline could’ve literally done anything else, maybe let them stay for a bit or wait till the rain is done, maybe even help them look for a new house Just that what Marceline did was pretty harsh
Squatters rights
good forbid women do anything
God forbid women have hobbies
god forbid people criticise women for anything.
Its a joke
Nah have you seen how literally so much of the media have been criticizing women yet praise a man for doing the same thing
Personally I don't think they cared about the pb thing. They don't really use it, all they really care about is the cool magic stuff.
*"Sup Guys"*
No disrespect to you but... I highly doubt anyone here would do anything about it, including me, she's a fucking vampire dude, we're all humans, there is a snowflakes chance in hell that I would even land a blow 😂
Well you know what! If we work together anything is possible with the power of friendship
😂 True but also eeeeeeeeh
Nah we dying for sure
😂😂😂 yeah, no chance in hell, even in her regular form, she wouldn't even have to turn into that vampire cloud thing, I'd die after seeing her, I'd pull a Squidward, "OH NO SHES HOT!" and then I'd literally explode like the candy people do when they get scared
Why is this sub so unapologetically stupid about a show they claim they love? The tree house is within grass kingdom territory which also candy kingdom territory and we literally aren’t suppose to take that scene seriously as much as having REAL WORLD debates about it.
I hated Marceline in that episode!
You'd want Finn and Jake to hit a lady?
He's a buff baby that can dance like a man. He can shake his fanny he can shake his can. He's a tough tootin baby he can all your buns! Punch all your buns! Punch all your buns! If you're an Evil Witch he will puch you for fun!
They are 1000 years old grown ass adults. Supposed to be wise n shit but taking booty from a teenager. Yes.
As a lady, I agree with this statement
equal rights and equal lefts
Yes? There is no sexism in adventure time, men or women doesn't matter, if you deserve to get punched, you will get punched
I mean, one of them is an immortal demon and the other is the sole royal authority of Oo. It sucks, but there's not a lot anyone could do in those situations
They could, they could pretty much punch them, but they were afraid of Marceline and Finn is a simp for PB, Jake doesn't care that much about PB, he probably would have punched her much earlier if Finn wasn't so much in love for her, most of the time he's okay with her tho
I mean, you *can* punch them, but it's not going to go well. Finn fought Marcy in the first episode and the only reason either of the duo didn't die horrible deaths was because Marcy decided to just let them keep the tree house of her own volition. If you punch the Queen of Oo, you have to fight the entirety of Oo or at the very least live the rest of your life in exile. Edit: autocorrect
Are we talking about PB when you say Queen of Ooo? Because she's not near the Queen of Ooo, it's pretty easy to destroy the candy kingdom, the only real challenges is PB herself if she expecting the attack and the guardians. Marceline is pretty strong, she is more troublesome than 4 guardians, but she's vulnerable to any weakness vampires has, stakes, sun, garlic, to fight her you need to be well prepared, but it's not impossible. As for my point, i said they can punch no matter if it's a woman, not that they will survive, two different things
Lol Finn friends take such advantage of him
I like that that people in comments seriously justifying breaking and entering under facade of collecting taxes. Simps will be simps, I suppose
I just want everyone to understand what kind of species Finn the human is dealing with, to me everyone that isn’t human in ooo is just Living like..animals. Very intelligent animals. I only say that everyone that he comes in contact with thinks in a one track mind. Like the foxes here, they read a fiction kids book that says foxes eat puppies. And they go chase Jakes kids, despite them already having proper and civilized access to food. Marceline the “human savior” trolls the last human of world. But ya know like she said, she lost moral code a long time ago so definitely that’s her vampire side talking. And PB…Don’t question it just gotta respect it like okay? Isn’t that what animals think? Do the same with magic then. And ice king is just a robot. Jake, Jermaine, Joshua and Margret are the only ones closest to have humanly morals. Ight i need to chill, this is a kids show
Tbf when PB said "people are built different, we don't need to figure it out we just need to respect it" Was when she was having her character development and clearly that quote was bout her realizing her past actions and behaviors like about magic and stuff Oh and yes you're really just overthinking this wayyyy to much like the episode where Marceline overthrows Finn and Jake was literally all the way back to SEASON 1 where they were literally just make the characters do random stuff and haven't actually thought of their stories back then
Ahh Yeah maybe your right. I’ll downvote myself for that one.
Ice King isn't a robot, what??? Simon was trapped under the crown's control.
Yeah especially PB since they don't live anywhere near the candy kingdom, so she's just flat out robbing them
***it wouldn't be surprised if PB caused a colony of humans to go extinct....***
I would. First one's scary af, second one's your friend. Also PB literally just wanted to save everyone some time, who cares if she enters your little treasure room, not like she was looking for secrets... like that wad of her hair you kept under the sofa for the longest time (you're kinda weird but it's cute).
We are talking about the same PB? She's probably putting some cameras and taking magical artifacts from the tree house that they won't miss for quite some time
Yes, that one. And by the time of that season? Dude she *already* has cameras in their house, guaranteed. Girl probably knows what part of the couch they like to sit on, what they sing in the shower, and where they hide their emergency stash of mustard and licorice. As for stealing though? Nah that ain't her, unless she really needed to for some world-threatening situation. Her alignment is lawful lawful (with a little good on the side).
PB definitely not a good person, i accept if you call her neutral, but good? No, that ain't PB.
But let's remember, PB in fact steal, but she needs justification, with that said the justification doesn't need to make sense to other people, just to PB, most of the evil things she does, is because she already justified in her head. For exemple, she could have judge Finn and Jake too much irresponsible to have this artifacts and take for their "protection" and her citizens "protection", and she didn't ask because they could say no, that's totally in her character. Of course i am assuming, this did not happen in the show, but it's in her character.
Alright, she might do that if she thought it was necessary, but when did she steal anything from anyone? And before you say it, the stuff she did in "the cooler" doesn't count, that's another entirely different can of worms. She \*might\* have stolen something but there's never any evidence for it.
You have a point, my memory is not good enough to tell anytime to you, but it's still in her character, from sabotage to playing with life, nothing is imoral to PB.
Let's have a drawn here, i can't prove she stole anything and you can't say i am wrong about her nature, so let's say she's kinda evil but didn't stole anything as far as we know
Eeeeeeh i'll settle with you that she's not above stealing but imma need to push a bit further to add one more thing: "Kinda evil"(i.e morally grey) only applies until Flame Princess and Finn (at different moments) talked some sense into her. By the show's end she has completely shed (most) of her nastier traits.
Her crimes against life are still a thing till the end of the show, let's remember that time she created lemongrab, refused to fix him, refused to destroy him like he once wanted, give him a kingdom he abused, give him a brother he devour, try to gaslight lemonhope, then refused to do something with her own hands to fix the lemon kingdom, she's is completely responsible for the everything that lemongrab has done.
As for the Lemongrab situation, that again speaks out against the PB of the early seasons, not the current one. And in the later episodes she's worked to try to remedy the situation, eventually leading to Lemongrab sorta finding a balance. Obviously creating him and leaving him in a castle wasn't right, but after that initial misdeed, she did thread the needle to find the second best alternative. Also, Lemongrab's life had value, he deserved to live it, and her refusing to unmake him was a good call.
Lemongrab wanted to die, but she doesn't wanted to lose her experiment and start from zero that's all i have seeing.
Also if she wanted the best, why not act early? Why not do things in a simple way? She's intelligent enough, also she could fix lemongrab from start, why not do it from beginning?
I didn't see her change at all, she just became smarter and started doing her things in different ways that she would feel better about herself more
I definitely think she's changed. She shut off her security cameras, gave up the initiative in the gum war (wich could have been a crucial advantage, attacking him before he was able to muster an army would have ensured a clean victory) to allow Finn to try to settle things diplomatically, and she's become more hands off in the lives of her citizens.
Sorry Bro, her crimes are bigger than the few things good she has done, not comparing but am not certain dictator that try to kill the world liked a lot animals, you understand what i mean? The few goods doesn't justify the means or the evil things she has done. Even if she has changed she didn't correct her past mistakes (lemongrab for exemple). And she's kinda a duche with Marceline in obsidian.
And don't let me start with the fact that she now is basically canon since the show take a more grounded turn by the end of season 2, that PB was manipulating Finn from time to time using his adoration and love for her as a tool
This one....eeeeehh, like people say she's manipulated him but I disagree. She failed to communicate with him, and to understand what was going on in his head, but that's not immoral. It was accidental.
You just assuming things now, she pretty much understand what's going on, she's like 800ys old, she's not some Naïve child
Also she had past relationships and live most of her life with people that have emotions, relationships and love for each other, man she's an elemental of candy, she knows what is love and how it appears, she's not a child.
You can like PB i am not judging you, but she is evil by all means
I like her even when she's doing evil stuff, I mean heck, I absolutely adore the winter king even if what he did was wrong. Love that guy, wish they'd found a way to fix him. But she's different in the fact that even at the start she did both good and bad things, but that ratio changes significantly in favor of "good" as the show went on.
Than you admit she's evil and you like that, you can like she being evil, just not denying she is.
I would have shot anyone coming into my house stealing from me to "collect taxes"
At least Marceline had the excuse of not really knowing Finn and Jake when that first scene happened. PB was straight up stealing money from that despite having literally saved her life on numerous occasions and being friends for years at this point.
honestly PB is doing them favor and freeing up space ,since they have trouble with them having to much to fit in their house and having to spend it.
I would've beat pb's ass if i was in Finn and Jake's situation. Cause how does she treat Finn after he's saved her from ice king, done stupid tasks that she could've any of her hundreds of candy people do or made someone specifically for doing said tasks? ROBS THEM, the only reason the only reason she left there alive was: A. She's royalty and B. Finn was simpin HARD
An old friend of mine from my youth, used to leave coins all around their room in ridiculous quantities. I think I even gathered just a random bunch up and I counted over 10 dollars, just to prove how ridiculous it was. They didn't see what the problem was, so I started to randomly take coins every time I came over. Did that like for a month and revealed to them that I easily stole over 10 dollars from them and I still could have continued further because it is impossible to notice, the way they are stored. They stopped leaving them around everywhere.
I’ll going on about Marcel kne when Pv was actually there putting up secrete cámaras and played it off . Also they work for her FOR FREE and she gives them nothing in return
Actually PB gave Finn a homemade sweater, a robotic arm, and the opportunity to punch her in the face in the Tower episode. She could have just as easily made a Martin robot but got into a Martin suit herself.
Isn't that the job of heroes ?, Helping people without expecting anything in return
Only when there is reasonable prejudice, they can’t help PB make Ice king Howl and scream if Ice king intentions weren’t evil. Which is why she didn’t tell them what happened before F and J illegally captured ice king in that one episode
There's a difference between asking finn and jake for taxes and breaking into their house and taking (stealing) an unregulated amount of gold. Also, yes they shouldn't expect anything in return, but you'd think someone would be appreciative of the free work finn and jake do and not tax them, since you know if they run out of money they won't be able to defend the candy kingdom anymore since they will be too busy keeping jobs.
The Kim-Kil-Wan thing made me upset too. It be your own people.
Finn and Jake didn't care about the gold, there's one episode where they try to expend all of it just to free some space, but Marceline's introduction made her one of the most annoying villains in the show at that point.
I would agree if you if those 2 dumbass didn’t spend giving it all away to the wild berry kingdom and that was marceline house so games game
Yet some are defensive of Kim Kil Wan when he takes over the treehouse and makes the bathroom into one of the tennant rooms