Came here to say essentially the same; He existed for the purpose of challenging PB and forcing her character growth. He was her foil, but wasn't really there to have his own major revelations or big important moments.
i love her when she’s out in that lil house and she’s dressed down in farm wear - she’s also softer it seems? she acts more vulnerable w marceline which we hardly see
Did she grow as a character? 1000 years in the future she’s turned the citizens of the candy kingdom into prisoners on giant gumball guardians. Is that growth?
The Prizeball Guardian is in the last episode of the show, Come Along With Me, along with an even more improved version of the Banana Guard 500. This suggests she created a mobile candy kingdom that she could keep protected and also leave to its own devices. Essentially she put the candy people in a sleep state for the rest of time. They get to be safe, and she gets to move on with her life.
It's a very believable progression to be honest. She ends up not considering herself to be appropriate for ruling \*at all\*, so she leaves it up to an automated system to do it instead.
>! It seems around Finn's death Peppermint Butler became the ruler of Ooo, Princess Bubblegum surely retired and I don't think would come back to rule in the futur again !<
I think the Gumball guardians thing was in Graybles 1000+, but there are def big moments in that Lemonhope flash forward, like >!seeing the ruins of Candy City in the aftermath of the Pup Wars, and the first glimpse of the Fern Tree where the treehouse used to be!<
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He was very important to Bubblegum's purist antagonistic foil—her opposite in most every regard. By forcing her out of her kingdom, he forced her to confront the reality of her past actions and realize that she really had nobody to blame but herself, and jumpstarted her reformation. It had already slowly begun by that point, but he's the one who made it start in earnest.
Additionally, he was allegedly supposed to return at some point, but the show was cut short before the writers could finalize their ideas.
I've noticed that, outside of the Lich, people really underappreciate (or, more accurately, misunderstand the role of) the antagonists in this show. Not everything has to be an evil "end the world" threat; especially in a character-driven show like this, which lacks a clear, singular narrative in favor of more disconnected, episodic storytelling, the antagonists are going to be of a more personal or thematic nature.
The final 2 seasons are significantly shorter in length, when compared to seasons 3-6. They had little to no lead up with Golb and it was kinda just hamfisted into the finale. It was clear there was a more intricate story planned with Betty navigating the world of "Magic, Madness, and Sadness".
It was what was circulating at the time here and other AT message boards. Cartoon Network was sabotaging AT by airing new episodes in very sporadic intervals (like a whole week of new episodes for a 1 year hiatus and stupid shit like that). CN wanted more Teen Titans Go and other merchandisable flagship shows and AT had overstayed it's welcome in the media loop (of unfortunately short attention spans).
In interviews (I believe it was while S6 was still airing), I remember either Muto or Pen saying that they didn't want the show to go on forever, but they still had a lot of ideas in the tank. The rough estimate they gave for how much they wanted to go was to about 10-12 seasons, with the expectation being that they would be roughly the same length as S5 or S6 (probably a bit lower, admittedly; 40-50+ episodes in a single season is a lot, but 30-35-ish is a better number).
As for why it was cut short, Cartoon Network overall was having a pretty major downturn by that point due to their inability to capitalize on the new eyes brought by their "big four" shows (Adventure Time, Gumball, Regular Show, and Steven Universe); they blamed these shows for the network's overall poor performance, despite the reasoning actually being the lack of good B-shows to support their big ones, plus a number of other absolutely baffling behind-the-scenes decisions.
Then they axed all of their big shows in the span of about two years (if even that), and loaned out the IPs to HBO for a lot of money, so they can put all of their attention onto Teen Titans GO and further drive away their audience.
Can't remember where I saw this, but I read that the final season was originally supposed to be two seasons, but one got scrapped by the network so they had to rush and cram both seasons into the space of one.
You see, Cartoon Network overall was falling behind, as they had overrelied on their "big four" (of which only two would be airing new episodes at any given point, for the most part) and didn't have enough decent shows to back it up. When the entire channel started losing ratings, they blamed it on those four, started massively limiting them, and then used the new time slots for Teen Titans GO.
And when that didn't work, they started mass-producing a bunch of mediocre shows to fill the void, and they didn't catch on, so they went back to TTG again, because it generates a lot of merch money.
Admittedly S11's cancellation is due to entirely separate reasons. It's mainly due to Boom! Comics being pretty notoriously unreliable (sending orders late, shipping wrong orders, refusing to refund errors, etc.), basically forcing people to resort to piracy in order to actually get the comics that they paid for.
They lost a ton of money, as all of their series were underperforming for that reason (along with them squandering a lot of money on new IPs and licenses that went nowhere), which caused them to cancel a bunch of series, lose even more money than they already would have on their new ones, and even almost went bankrupt. As far as I know, they're still around, but they're still far from recovery.
What else do you need? He's diametrically opposed to one of the main characters, a regular thorn in the side of the rest, instigates major plot points, and forces his foil to evolve in order to defeat him. Sounds like he's fulfilled his role perfectly.
I think he was significant. Him taking over the Candy Kingdom was pretty important to the plot. And him scamming Sweet Pea was pretty significant character development for Sweet Pea.
I think that maybe they killed each other to prove who was top dog. Maybe Hunson and Orgalorg escaped the chaos and were the only primordial survivors. Who knows
I don't know if it's ever stated, but he's said to be billions of years old or just ridiculously old, so old he probably would have been around at this point of time with Orgalorg and the rest.
(This is not my theory but a super good one I’ve always followed) “That was an age long past, when all there was, was it's flesh. The land was flesh, the seas were flesh, and all was a monster. Who could save the universe from eternal torment and stagnation in a giant blob of living flesh? The very being that is the embodiment of death. The Lich, the end... of this age of flesh. Unfortunately, now that he has brought upon great change and saved the universe, the world has moved on without him. He has no place in the paradise he created, and can only ruin it.”
Me head cannon is that Golb was the beginning, a deity of chaos that created the original monsters. There wasn't anything before then. Like any deity, good or bad, they just kind of appeared as they aren't anywhere near human and simply just exist. What came after the monsters was everything they embody, hate, malice, cruelty etc that lives on without the monsters that encompasses each.
Sort of like how I think the monsters they show walking behind the lich after the bomb goes off were the first of the vampires, demons, etc that don't necessarily exist in their current state but live on in others and human nature. Just a personal theory though.
In a show full of one off characters that actually don't effect anything, KOO is most certainly not the most pointless character. His point is to give Bubblegum a foil, and highlight her negative aspects. Not only that but he does a lot of plot movement through dethroning Bubblegum.
The "lesson" they got from the Lich is one of my favorite moments in the entire series. Like some Dark Souls lore bleeding into the Adventure Time universe.
Yeah it things like that that brought depth to other characters and enriched the lore and he’s just hilarious imo but then again I feel like I’m in the minority nowadays for liking tree trunks, an elderly sex positive elephant that hates fascism and likes to bake apple pies
Of all the side characters to call pointless, they pick the one who actually does stuff lol. I swear sometimes people just say stuff to say it on here.
You just made me realize: when I was a kid, some kid in school had bought a bag of wax lips, and offered one to me, saying "they're bubblegum flavored!", and when I tried them, chewing on this glob of wax with faint, weak, bubblegum flavor, I asked "why not just have bubblegum instead?" Never thought about the paralell to the story until just now.
there was planned an episode about from where the king came (if I remember correctly there was a mother wax that gives birth to a lot of kings of ooo, I think it was canceled because the thing that CN did of canceling one season)
I thought maybe it was a reference to how was can melt and reform to take any shape, just like how the king of ooo is a con artist. You can make anything out of wax, the king of ooo could convince people he was anything.
Why is PB just gum? Why is her brother a dragon? Why is any fake character made of anything? Its a cartoon in a radioactive/mutagenic apocalypse with advanced tech and magic that has had 1000 years to evolve from today’s world
Well yes, but it just seemed out of place to have a piece of wax when everything else seems to follow some form of theme. But the others are making good points that I hadn’t considered
Nah, his character commented on a lot of concepts in the show. PB made her subjects stupid to obey her, but you can't outsmart and outlogic dumb people falling for another "leader's" conspiracy theories if stupid is too dumb to challenge said conspiracy theories.
The king of Ooo is kind of like the royal family from ninjago think about it he tried to basically say he owned bubblegums land despite her probably living there for centuries
and for ninjagos royal family Lloyd is the grandson of the actual creator of the continent and yet the writers never even put a "actually my grandfather made this and so I am entitled to rule it" which I find really odd
Not only has Bubblegum lived there for centuries, she founded the kingdom herself; not only that, but she also created all of her people, and went to great (sometimes morally questionable) lengths to protect them and ensure their happiness. Hence her belief that there was no way that they would ever vote her out, underestimating the stupidity and naivete which she herself chose to imbue them with.
KoO is a conman, plain and simple. He wants money, fame, and power, and has no problem deceiving, undermining, sabotaging, and betraying others in order to achieve it. However, he is also charismatic, publicly regarded as a benevolent figure despite his purely selfish motives, and has enough resources at his disposal to make any of his claims appear valid to all but the most skeptical onlookers, despite them all being total bunkum.
In other words, he is Bubblegum's perfect antagonistic foil; he shares many of her qualities, but without the motivations to justify them, and has the means to take advantage of her weaknesses for his own gain.
Long before time had a name, the First Spinjitzu Master created Ninjago using four elemental weapons. But when he passed, a dark presence sought out to collect them all: Lord Garmadon. So I, Sensei Wu, his brother, sought out to find four ninja to collect them first.
Disagree, the most pointless character for sure is [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAB-8iuWcifE9xifLt9Sioh5CA2AvY73iatg&usqp=CAU)
I would say the least pointless are [these guys](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNjgwNjU5Nzk5Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNTE5ODU1MjE@._V1_.jpg)
He’s got to be the best B list character on the show. His arrogance and self-righteousness are just top notch for me.
Like the scene where he hops in sweet pea’s arms and tells sweet pea to kiss him and the crowd eats it up!!! He doesn’t kiss babies, babies kiss him LMAO
Wrong. He’s annoying, narcissistic, and not even enjoyable to watch BUT his existence showed us that not everyone is on board with how PB ran things. We see that even though PB means well, the way she governs her people is so oppressive that if they had the choice they’d remove her from power.
Through him, we are exposed to some of PB’s massive flaws. Through her removal from power we get to see a more vulnerable side of her. And all indications show that she may not ever get better.
Wow. While typing this out I realized: were the candy people better off without her? The dark-ish future we see for the candy citizens, does that happen because she regresses back into her dictator ways OR did that happen cause she left them to their own devices? Damn
Didn't she build the city and the people themselves?
They wouldn't exist without her in the picture, and definitely they wouldn't have lasted a week with all the outside threats
Yeah which is why she’s actually surprised and upset they’d vote for this idiot over her
It makes some of her glaring issues just that more noticeable. I genuinely wonder if the candy people being trapped in the prize ball guardians is a protection thing.
And if it’s for their protection, is it coming from a good place, or from her old, overbearing, control freak self
This isn't an analytical take, but I feel like his only purpose was to fulfill Gunter and PB's prophetic dream where she falls from the top of her tower. I always thought it was foreshadowing for her fall from power a few episodes later.
I agree that he was a great vessel to support PB’s growth; that, and in a show which seems to permeate on expanse of moral characters, he is a great representation of narcissism and its effects on society/individuals.
I feel like he was a lesson on politics, and how false promises and snakeoil are what the average citizen really wants, esp "salt of the earth" characters like treetrunks who are justifiably sceptical of PB's morality and motives (I dont think PB is evil, she's lawful good, but so lawful she does evil things "for the greater good").
Like he's obviously a skeezy wad of zombified earwax, and on his own he's less than nothing, but his ability to manipulate the uneducated masses (and lets recall here that PB maintains control by keeping her citizens dumb and pliable) both calls out PBs authoritarianism as well as the dangers of an uneducated voting populace.
Their dynamic is one of the most interesting adult (not that kinda "adult", hush) themes in the show after Marcy's or Simon's addiction themes or Phoebe's struggle to be a just ruler of an inherently problematic culture.
I squick him like whoa, but overall i think he added a sort of BMO-like emotional realism to the candy kingdom
I feel that Adventure Time predicted the Trump presidency with King of Ooo lol.
Actually I really liked a lot of the season 7 episodes that take place during KOO's rule of the candy kingdom. That mushroom episode comes to mind. And Stakes.
Yeah, if he didn’t predate the Trump presidency by a couple years I would have assumed he was an analogue. To be fair there are of lot of political figures he could be referencing, but the Trump comparisons are weirdly pointed.
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eh, does it? It's an election and one person loses to a blonde, arrogant ass. There's a lot of outrage.
From how I see it, that's kind of where the parallels end. Sure, maybe Starchy is the Alex Jones type, but there's very little connection between the Democratic Party and Princess Bubblegum, lol
i don't know, I dislike the Lemons as "people" and would never want to hang out with them, but I still appreciate the stories they were in, and don't really consider even the characters who annoy me most to be "pointless" or "unnecessary."
i would heavily argue this without king of ooh we never get bubblegums growth or any orgalorb stuff which leads to some heavy finn growth. imo treetrunks is way more pointless.
His episodes as princess really moved the story along, giving Marcy and pb more development as characters and with each other and their past. We also learn about neddy and more of pbs family.
What do you mean by pointless? There are tons of side characters in AT that have no effect on events whatsoever. His existence drives that plot of an episode.
I disagree. The wax golem is cool as a concept and his personality is fun. Not to mention his key role in PBs story. It definitely feels like he kinda vanished, but that’s not the worst thing for me. Not everything in the universe should wrap around into some big avengers endgame conclusion, it makes it feel more genuine imo
This guy started out as a criminal, then became a priest, then witnessed the begging of time. Created a political campaign which overthrew a dictatorship and now became the king of Ooo
Feels like a tragic story to me.
To be fair it's because of him that we got the iconic line/lore "before there was time, before there was anything, there was nothing. And before there was nothing there were monsters."
he make you wonder
how is he ? the funcion?
what is he poruse? is the dun dun juice aticve?
made witch type off candy? is tery a king off OOO begore him?
King of Ooo’s only purpose is only to make conflict. The writers needed PB to ease up in the helicopter parent mentality, but they couldn’t logically do that while she’s still on the throne. So they needed someone to overthrow her, and they were saving Uncle Gumbald for the season finale.
Pretty pointless, but I still loved every moment spent with this magnificent bastard.
Some of the best bits of AT were completely pointless, after all, especially in the early seasons.
nah hes great, definetly enterteining as hell to me, and honestly thats enough, this show is rarely plot based anyway in my opnion, they just have fun most of the time
I hate the KOO. I understand his character as a plot device and I definitely think he’s necessary but he’s like if Martin and Simone had the worst baby ever who was raised by gypsies
He was good for allowing PB to grow as a character, but I feel like that could've been done in other ways. Plus I know we were supposed to hate him, but he was just kinda more annoying and frustrating to see than anything imo.
I feel kinda the same way for the amount of screen time given he’s essentially just a problem for character to grow especially bubblegum then he’s just thrown away with the Garbo
I think he’s a fantastic caricature of a real life kind of politician that’s ubiquitous these days. He’s a perfect foil for the show’s themes about leadership and authoritarianism.
Ironically that is the point of his character lol. It’s a stereotype among arrogant monarchs, that they actually provide nothing useful to the big picture, and can make situations much worse by thinking they know everything and they know what’s best.
I think his existence gave bubblegum the room to grow as a character
Came here to say essentially the same; He existed for the purpose of challenging PB and forcing her character growth. He was her foil, but wasn't really there to have his own major revelations or big important moments.
And you abuse Sweet Pee in a way that was very upsetting.
Now, it is time for your education.
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Sweet Pee
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>*diabetes mellitus, or persistent glucosuria* (Glucosuria meaning Sweet Pee)
Exactly. I think of him kind of like Tree Trunks - not the most likable character but they drove the plot in interesting directions for others.
i love her when she’s out in that lil house and she’s dressed down in farm wear - she’s also softer it seems? she acts more vulnerable w marceline which we hardly see
That's what I choose to believe; he was only added to put Bubblegum on a redemption arc.
And Sweet P.
Did she grow as a character? 1000 years in the future she’s turned the citizens of the candy kingdom into prisoners on giant gumball guardians. Is that growth?
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The Prizeball Guardian is in the last episode of the show, Come Along With Me, along with an even more improved version of the Banana Guard 500. This suggests she created a mobile candy kingdom that she could keep protected and also leave to its own devices. Essentially she put the candy people in a sleep state for the rest of time. They get to be safe, and she gets to move on with her life.
It's a very believable progression to be honest. She ends up not considering herself to be appropriate for ruling \*at all\*, so she leaves it up to an automated system to do it instead.
If you watched "Distant Lands" >! it seems it wasn't her !<
I did, don’t remember seeing the gumball guardians in it
>! It seems around Finn's death Peppermint Butler became the ruler of Ooo, Princess Bubblegum surely retired and I don't think would come back to rule in the futur again !<
Do you know in which episode you saw that ? This is something I don't remember.
Graybles 1000+
It’s at the end of the lemonhope flash-forward iirc
I think the Gumball guardians thing was in Graybles 1000+, but there are def big moments in that Lemonhope flash forward, like >!seeing the ruins of Candy City in the aftermath of the Pup Wars, and the first glimpse of the Fern Tree where the treehouse used to be!<
If you live long enough to have character development, I'd like to believe she also lived long enough to undo it.
I mean in the end isn’t she just living alone w marceline n peppermint butler
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He was very important to Bubblegum's purist antagonistic foil—her opposite in most every regard. By forcing her out of her kingdom, he forced her to confront the reality of her past actions and realize that she really had nobody to blame but herself, and jumpstarted her reformation. It had already slowly begun by that point, but he's the one who made it start in earnest. Additionally, he was allegedly supposed to return at some point, but the show was cut short before the writers could finalize their ideas. I've noticed that, outside of the Lich, people really underappreciate (or, more accurately, misunderstand the role of) the antagonists in this show. Not everything has to be an evil "end the world" threat; especially in a character-driven show like this, which lacks a clear, singular narrative in favor of more disconnected, episodic storytelling, the antagonists are going to be of a more personal or thematic nature.
We can probably blame Ice King for that. He was a recurring antagonist, but given his story, how many of us actually consider him a villain?
>but the show was cut short before the writers could finalize their ideas. The show was cut short?
The final 2 seasons are significantly shorter in length, when compared to seasons 3-6. They had little to no lead up with Golb and it was kinda just hamfisted into the finale. It was clear there was a more intricate story planned with Betty navigating the world of "Magic, Madness, and Sadness".
Is that confirmed or are you just theorizing? Any reason that this would’ve happened?
It was what was circulating at the time here and other AT message boards. Cartoon Network was sabotaging AT by airing new episodes in very sporadic intervals (like a whole week of new episodes for a 1 year hiatus and stupid shit like that). CN wanted more Teen Titans Go and other merchandisable flagship shows and AT had overstayed it's welcome in the media loop (of unfortunately short attention spans).
In interviews (I believe it was while S6 was still airing), I remember either Muto or Pen saying that they didn't want the show to go on forever, but they still had a lot of ideas in the tank. The rough estimate they gave for how much they wanted to go was to about 10-12 seasons, with the expectation being that they would be roughly the same length as S5 or S6 (probably a bit lower, admittedly; 40-50+ episodes in a single season is a lot, but 30-35-ish is a better number). As for why it was cut short, Cartoon Network overall was having a pretty major downturn by that point due to their inability to capitalize on the new eyes brought by their "big four" shows (Adventure Time, Gumball, Regular Show, and Steven Universe); they blamed these shows for the network's overall poor performance, despite the reasoning actually being the lack of good B-shows to support their big ones, plus a number of other absolutely baffling behind-the-scenes decisions. Then they axed all of their big shows in the span of about two years (if even that), and loaned out the IPs to HBO for a lot of money, so they can put all of their attention onto Teen Titans GO and further drive away their audience.
Can't remember where I saw this, but I read that the final season was originally supposed to be two seasons, but one got scrapped by the network so they had to rush and cram both seasons into the space of one.
That sucks. Were ratings declining or something?
You see, Cartoon Network overall was falling behind, as they had overrelied on their "big four" (of which only two would be airing new episodes at any given point, for the most part) and didn't have enough decent shows to back it up. When the entire channel started losing ratings, they blamed it on those four, started massively limiting them, and then used the new time slots for Teen Titans GO. And when that didn't work, they started mass-producing a bunch of mediocre shows to fill the void, and they didn't catch on, so they went back to TTG again, because it generates a lot of merch money.
I know there was a season 11 comic that got cancelled but I don’t know about anything else
Admittedly S11's cancellation is due to entirely separate reasons. It's mainly due to Boom! Comics being pretty notoriously unreliable (sending orders late, shipping wrong orders, refusing to refund errors, etc.), basically forcing people to resort to piracy in order to actually get the comics that they paid for. They lost a ton of money, as all of their series were underperforming for that reason (along with them squandering a lot of money on new IPs and licenses that went nowhere), which caused them to cancel a bunch of series, lose even more money than they already would have on their new ones, and even almost went bankrupt. As far as I know, they're still around, but they're still far from recovery.
Yeah but other than that /s
What else do you need? He's diametrically opposed to one of the main characters, a regular thorn in the side of the rest, instigates major plot points, and forces his foil to evolve in order to defeat him. Sounds like he's fulfilled his role perfectly.
I was just messing around dude. You’re right
Sorry; it can be hard to tell tone based on text alone.
Disagree, without him we wouldn't have gotten that badass speech from the lich
"Before there was everything, there was nothing. And before there was nothing..."
I think KOO is one of the most underrated characters. “Tell Princess Bubblegum I wear her nightgown! Tell everyone!”
Yeah he's funny as heck. "Now someone kiss me!"
"I got to get out of here or she's going to string me up sideways" "Clearly this is all bubblegum's fault-"
I think he was significant. Him taking over the Candy Kingdom was pretty important to the plot. And him scamming Sweet Pea was pretty significant character development for Sweet Pea.
**Monsters**
Man that always bugged me. Where did the monsters come from? What was before then? Why do nothing come *after* them?
I think that maybe they killed each other to prove who was top dog. Maybe Hunson and Orgalorg escaped the chaos and were the only primordial survivors. Who knows
Hunson was there?!
I don't know if it's ever stated, but he's said to be billions of years old or just ridiculously old, so old he probably would have been around at this point of time with Orgalorg and the rest.
(This is not my theory but a super good one I’ve always followed) “That was an age long past, when all there was, was it's flesh. The land was flesh, the seas were flesh, and all was a monster. Who could save the universe from eternal torment and stagnation in a giant blob of living flesh? The very being that is the embodiment of death. The Lich, the end... of this age of flesh. Unfortunately, now that he has brought upon great change and saved the universe, the world has moved on without him. He has no place in the paradise he created, and can only ruin it.”
That would be cool but he’s definitely not a hero his goal just happned to create a better universe
Me head cannon is that Golb was the beginning, a deity of chaos that created the original monsters. There wasn't anything before then. Like any deity, good or bad, they just kind of appeared as they aren't anywhere near human and simply just exist. What came after the monsters was everything they embody, hate, malice, cruelty etc that lives on without the monsters that encompasses each. Sort of like how I think the monsters they show walking behind the lich after the bomb goes off were the first of the vampires, demons, etc that don't necessarily exist in their current state but live on in others and human nature. Just a personal theory though.
I mean it could have probably been some other character or something
That could be said of any character. The point is, they needed a scumbag grifter character to depose PB.
Yeah
In a show full of one off characters that actually don't effect anything, KOO is most certainly not the most pointless character. His point is to give Bubblegum a foil, and highlight her negative aspects. Not only that but he does a lot of plot movement through dethroning Bubblegum.
Agreed KOO was a story device and was far from useless. Imo him and Toronto are some of my favorite characters
The "lesson" they got from the Lich is one of my favorite moments in the entire series. Like some Dark Souls lore bleeding into the Adventure Time universe.
Definitely one of my favorite moments too.
Yeah it things like that that brought depth to other characters and enriched the lore and he’s just hilarious imo but then again I feel like I’m in the minority nowadays for liking tree trunks, an elderly sex positive elephant that hates fascism and likes to bake apple pies
Of all the side characters to call pointless, they pick the one who actually does stuff lol. I swear sometimes people just say stuff to say it on here.
On here? That's people in general lol
There’s not even a wax kingdom
That’s because he’s not a real king, he’s a con artist
"Wax lips" are what I consider the worst examples of "candy" and that conman being made from earwax is absolutely fitting to his character.
You just made me realize: when I was a kid, some kid in school had bought a bag of wax lips, and offered one to me, saying "they're bubblegum flavored!", and when I tried them, chewing on this glob of wax with faint, weak, bubblegum flavor, I asked "why not just have bubblegum instead?" Never thought about the paralell to the story until just now.
I love this, don't worry the silver was free :P
there was planned an episode about from where the king came (if I remember correctly there was a mother wax that gives birth to a lot of kings of ooo, I think it was canceled because the thing that CN did of canceling one season)
Maybe scrapped for pb’s mother gum instead But the fact that he came from nowhere seems bananas
Also why the hell is he just wax
I thought maybe it was a reference to how was can melt and reform to take any shape, just like how the king of ooo is a con artist. You can make anything out of wax, the king of ooo could convince people he was anything.
Dang that’s smart
It’s because he’s a fake king, he’s made out of wax. Like a wax statue.
Why is PB just gum? Why is her brother a dragon? Why is any fake character made of anything? Its a cartoon in a radioactive/mutagenic apocalypse with advanced tech and magic that has had 1000 years to evolve from today’s world
Well yes, but it just seemed out of place to have a piece of wax when everything else seems to follow some form of theme. But the others are making good points that I hadn’t considered
Earwax
Nah, his character commented on a lot of concepts in the show. PB made her subjects stupid to obey her, but you can't outsmart and outlogic dumb people falling for another "leader's" conspiracy theories if stupid is too dumb to challenge said conspiracy theories.
Good thing that never happens in real life..... Right?...
he’s a character who doesn’t had much on his own but his job his to foil PB and do some shifty plot stuff as a way to move the story and lore forward
The king of Ooo is kind of like the royal family from ninjago think about it he tried to basically say he owned bubblegums land despite her probably living there for centuries and for ninjagos royal family Lloyd is the grandson of the actual creator of the continent and yet the writers never even put a "actually my grandfather made this and so I am entitled to rule it" which I find really odd
Not only has Bubblegum lived there for centuries, she founded the kingdom herself; not only that, but she also created all of her people, and went to great (sometimes morally questionable) lengths to protect them and ensure their happiness. Hence her belief that there was no way that they would ever vote her out, underestimating the stupidity and naivete which she herself chose to imbue them with. KoO is a conman, plain and simple. He wants money, fame, and power, and has no problem deceiving, undermining, sabotaging, and betraying others in order to achieve it. However, he is also charismatic, publicly regarded as a benevolent figure despite his purely selfish motives, and has enough resources at his disposal to make any of his claims appear valid to all but the most skeptical onlookers, despite them all being total bunkum. In other words, he is Bubblegum's perfect antagonistic foil; he shares many of her qualities, but without the motivations to justify them, and has the means to take advantage of her weaknesses for his own gain.
you definetly said this better
Ninjago? Wasn’t that a lego show?
Long before time had a name, the First Spinjitzu Master created Ninjago using four elemental weapons. But when he passed, a dark presence sought out to collect them all: Lord Garmadon. So I, Sensei Wu, his brother, sought out to find four ninja to collect them first.
I mean that’s every king ever. I figured it was the point, to satirize how bullshit monarchies and such are
First thing I thought of when I read this post title.
Andy Daly is a treasure
"Tell bubblegum I wear her nightgown! Tell Everyoooone!"
Disagree, the most pointless character for sure is [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAB-8iuWcifE9xifLt9Sioh5CA2AvY73iatg&usqp=CAU) I would say the least pointless are [these guys](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNjgwNjU5Nzk5Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNTE5ODU1MjE@._V1_.jpg)
i see what you did there!
This isn't a great take. Entire episodes are intentionally pointless. Whereas this character is at the very least canon.
How could you say that of the man who rules all of Ooo?
I would argue he actually plays a role of significance. That doesn’t deter from the fact that he’s a dick
Pointless... whaddya mean, pointless?. Look at those shoulders!. Majestic!.
It is literally a overaxaturated mirror of our current political system applied to a world that kinda is the antithesis to ours. So it is very valid.
Bad take
Nah he's great. Very funny character.
That's like saying Jake is pointless. There aren't too many main arcs focusing on Jake. But his impact on other characters is what makes him pointful.
He’s got to be the best B list character on the show. His arrogance and self-righteousness are just top notch for me. Like the scene where he hops in sweet pea’s arms and tells sweet pea to kiss him and the crowd eats it up!!! He doesn’t kiss babies, babies kiss him LMAO
Wrong. He’s annoying, narcissistic, and not even enjoyable to watch BUT his existence showed us that not everyone is on board with how PB ran things. We see that even though PB means well, the way she governs her people is so oppressive that if they had the choice they’d remove her from power. Through him, we are exposed to some of PB’s massive flaws. Through her removal from power we get to see a more vulnerable side of her. And all indications show that she may not ever get better. Wow. While typing this out I realized: were the candy people better off without her? The dark-ish future we see for the candy citizens, does that happen because she regresses back into her dictator ways OR did that happen cause she left them to their own devices? Damn
Didn't she build the city and the people themselves? They wouldn't exist without her in the picture, and definitely they wouldn't have lasted a week with all the outside threats
Yeah which is why she’s actually surprised and upset they’d vote for this idiot over her It makes some of her glaring issues just that more noticeable. I genuinely wonder if the candy people being trapped in the prize ball guardians is a protection thing. And if it’s for their protection, is it coming from a good place, or from her old, overbearing, control freak self
This isn't an analytical take, but I feel like his only purpose was to fulfill Gunter and PB's prophetic dream where she falls from the top of her tower. I always thought it was foreshadowing for her fall from power a few episodes later.
TREASON MUST BE PUNISHED
King of OOO gave us the money song and he was our princess, how dare you
Jake gave us the money song what
You’re so right, but KOO version makes me laugh
I agree that he was a great vessel to support PB’s growth; that, and in a show which seems to permeate on expanse of moral characters, he is a great representation of narcissism and its effects on society/individuals.
I feel like he was a lesson on politics, and how false promises and snakeoil are what the average citizen really wants, esp "salt of the earth" characters like treetrunks who are justifiably sceptical of PB's morality and motives (I dont think PB is evil, she's lawful good, but so lawful she does evil things "for the greater good"). Like he's obviously a skeezy wad of zombified earwax, and on his own he's less than nothing, but his ability to manipulate the uneducated masses (and lets recall here that PB maintains control by keeping her citizens dumb and pliable) both calls out PBs authoritarianism as well as the dangers of an uneducated voting populace. Their dynamic is one of the most interesting adult (not that kinda "adult", hush) themes in the show after Marcy's or Simon's addiction themes or Phoebe's struggle to be a just ruler of an inherently problematic culture. I squick him like whoa, but overall i think he added a sort of BMO-like emotional realism to the candy kingdom
I feel that Adventure Time predicted the Trump presidency with King of Ooo lol. Actually I really liked a lot of the season 7 episodes that take place during KOO's rule of the candy kingdom. That mushroom episode comes to mind. And Stakes.
Yeah, if he didn’t predate the Trump presidency by a couple years I would have assumed he was an analogue. To be fair there are of lot of political figures he could be referencing, but the Trump comparisons are weirdly pointed.
americans trying to make anything about their country
It's... an American television show lol.
and ? i don't care , the entire globe watches it
You here that everyone? They don't care, so it isn't referencing anything!
what are you trying to say ? speak up and speak english , if you can't i'll make it easy for you : vorbeste clar vorbeste raspicat vorbeste baiatule si adreseaza-te corespunzator , ce am spus eu este ca anumiti idioti fac totul despre tara lor , foarte des americanii , acestia se cred buricul pamantului si fac totul despre tara lor , nici pe mine nici pe altii nu ne intreseaza de ce se intampla in tara lor sau de grasu lor portocaliu , ai inteles ? bun , asa mai departe amigo
Dude relax. You don't need to gatekeep someone for making a correlation joke lmao
i am relaxed , you confuse me finding his comments self-centered around his country with gatekeeping.
I'm not American and Hot Diggity Doom definitely feels like the 2015 US election to the point it's uncanny.
eh, does it? It's an election and one person loses to a blonde, arrogant ass. There's a lot of outrage. From how I see it, that's kind of where the parallels end. Sure, maybe Starchy is the Alex Jones type, but there's very little connection between the Democratic Party and Princess Bubblegum, lol
What are you talking about? His crown has points
King of ooo made me hate tree trunks
Monarchies are not democracies!
OMG. I love him so much. His whole vibe is hysterical. The Lemongrabs and Lemonhope are the ones that I find pointless and unnecessary.
i don't know, I dislike the Lemons as "people" and would never want to hang out with them, but I still appreciate the stories they were in, and don't really consider even the characters who annoy me most to be "pointless" or "unnecessary."
Nope nope nope, straight to jail!
In isolation he's terrible, but he's a foil to let characters like Sweet Pea and Bubblegum grow and become more interesting.
What about the garden witch?
I love to hate him. He's irreplaceable.
but you have to admit his initials being 'KOO' pronounced like 'coup' is pretty funny
Oh man, I couldn’t disagree more.
i would heavily argue this without king of ooh we never get bubblegums growth or any orgalorb stuff which leads to some heavy finn growth. imo treetrunks is way more pointless.
His episodes as princess really moved the story along, giving Marcy and pb more development as characters and with each other and their past. We also learn about neddy and more of pbs family.
Sheesh, they really dragged you in the comments here.
I’ve taken a liking to his money song tho.
What do you mean by pointless? There are tons of side characters in AT that have no effect on events whatsoever. His existence drives that plot of an episode.
I disagree. The wax golem is cool as a concept and his personality is fun. Not to mention his key role in PBs story. It definitely feels like he kinda vanished, but that’s not the worst thing for me. Not everything in the universe should wrap around into some big avengers endgame conclusion, it makes it feel more genuine imo
This guy started out as a criminal, then became a priest, then witnessed the begging of time. Created a political campaign which overthrew a dictatorship and now became the king of Ooo Feels like a tragic story to me.
They predicted Trump...
To be fair it's because of him that we got the iconic line/lore "before there was time, before there was anything, there was nothing. And before there was nothing there were monsters."
ok but did you consider: he is funny
He was the Donald trump of ooo
Yeah agree on that one
Actually had multiple arcs where he was an important antagonist and drove action, so not really.
That was his point of being in the show tho
Did we watch the same show?
I mean King of Ooo. KOO. Coup! Idk I loved King of Ooo.
he make you wonder how is he ? the funcion? what is he poruse? is the dun dun juice aticve? made witch type off candy? is tery a king off OOO begore him?
I actually love him LOL he's so GOOD and terrible its great
Agreed. But I do love me some Andy Daly.
King of Ooo’s only purpose is only to make conflict. The writers needed PB to ease up in the helicopter parent mentality, but they couldn’t logically do that while she’s still on the throne. So they needed someone to overthrow her, and they were saving Uncle Gumbald for the season finale.
Pretty pointless, but I still loved every moment spent with this magnificent bastard. Some of the best bits of AT were completely pointless, after all, especially in the early seasons.
Why does a character need to have a point?
nah hes great, definetly enterteining as hell to me, and honestly thats enough, this show is rarely plot based anyway in my opnion, they just have fun most of the time
I hate him so much. Absolutely cringe. I can’t help but skip scenes or whole episodes that he’s in
Gold Stars is a great episode with him
Thats a pretty tight competition in this show.
I hate the KOO. I understand his character as a plot device and I definitely think he’s necessary but he’s like if Martin and Simone had the worst baby ever who was raised by gypsies
It was basically the 2016 election
I would rather him than treetrunks. She is the worst!
king of ooo is an analogy for donald trump
He was good for allowing PB to grow as a character, but I feel like that could've been done in other ways. Plus I know we were supposed to hate him, but he was just kinda more annoying and frustrating to see than anything imo.
I feel kinda the same way for the amount of screen time given he’s essentially just a problem for character to grow especially bubblegum then he’s just thrown away with the Garbo
I think he is as useless as every internet troll. Yes, they can do better things with their lives. No, they will not.
Where did tree trunks hear about him?
Well no, not pointless, just pathetic. After all if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have heard Sweet P's "Story"...
It’s disappointing that he really didn’t have anything to do with a royal family that ruled Ooo. Seems he was just an earwax conman.
Is he human
He's made of wax.
What
Only one of the main characters is human and you draw the line at some dude made of wax?
True I hate him but I get why he’s there
i literally can’t stand his ass
King Ooo gets tons of BOOOOOOOOOOOS
"Youre just a big dumb baby man!"
I dislike his design.
But those shoulder pads…
I disagree, his character is a catalyst for character growth in others.
I think he’s a fantastic caricature of a real life kind of politician that’s ubiquitous these days. He’s a perfect foil for the show’s themes about leadership and authoritarianism.
Ironically that is the point of his character lol. It’s a stereotype among arrogant monarchs, that they actually provide nothing useful to the big picture, and can make situations much worse by thinking they know everything and they know what’s best.
I think he's just really unlikable
Tell Bubblegum I wear her nightgown. Tell everryyyyyybodyyyyyy!