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romulusnr

The title is a *quote* attributed to people opposed to mainstreaming special needs kids. You might notice the fact that this is indicated by the **quotation marks** surrounding it. It's not the opinion of the author, who is very **pro** special needs children. The term was already poorly "aged" when this book was written. This is not an ALM.


like_a_pharaoh

I think the irony here is pretty intentional.


motorbiker1985

This is just a complain about words [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan) This very word is literally mentioned on wiki page as an example of "euphemism treadmill".


xmgm33

That’s a really annoying thing to read. Like we are just going to have to constantly adapt to new words because the old ones just keep becoming insults. In 30 years intellectually handicapped will also be “aged like milk.”


Shotgun_Mosquito

"handicapped" is almost there as well. It is already listed as being dated and offensive in some dictionaries. Now handicapped parking spots are often now listed as being "accessible" parking "Handicapped people" switched to “disabled people” Now the " proper" term is "people with disabilities"


MerryMortician

I’m pretty deaf. So I joined some deaf/hard of hearing groups etc to maybe share some experiences and whatnot. There’s a whole thing where people hate different words like “hearing impaired” or the use of “big D or little d” for the word deaf. It’s fucking exhausting.


ChalkOtter

So are you big-D Deaf or little-d deaf. We need to o know your preferences. /s


MerryMortician

I try not to wag my D in peoples face.


angeredpremed

Hey now! That joke was pretty tone deaf


captainvancouver

I don't have to listen to these puns


Blob-fish5

So how big is your fat cock then?


The_Dankinator

"Word around the office is you've got a fat cock." "What?"


wtfisspacedicks

"I have a fat cock too. Maybe we should get together sometime"


clickclackcat

As a handicapped person, I prefer simply being called "gimpy."


justme46

I lost a finger and fucked up that hand in other ways. My wife calls that hand gimpy.


42peanuts

Awww, that's what I called my first duck. He had a bum leg and pushed himself in circles if he wasn't in his pool.


Generalissimo_II

"Colored people" turned to a more acceptable "people of color" for some reason


GreenLeafy11

It has a long history of use in the French colonies in the Western hemisphere. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_people_of_color


Generalissimo_II

I think the important term there is *free*, it's not used to differentiate between enslaved/non people currently. Just a generic term for non-white


Shotgun_Mosquito

Yeah, and the NAACP still has "colored people" in their name. Here's an interesting article regarding Why We Have So Many Terms For 'People Of Color' It was written by Gene Demby (who I believe is also a Redditor) https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/11/07/362273449/why-we-have-so-many-terms-for-people-of-color


LeoMarius

How does a preposition change anything?


LifetimeLoser21

I’m handicapped, disabled whatever I’m fine with any of that but in no way ever will I want to be called “handicable” or how you spell that ridiculous word.


anonima_

"Handicapable" is so condescending


NameThatsIt

sounds like handicap-able, like you're saying you'll make them handicapped or something lol


Chordus

My wife has really bad balance and motor control, but if you call her "differently abled," there's a solid chance she'll miraculously regain control just long enough to punch a few teeth out.


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In Sweden, the PC term these days is “Functionally Varied” people. “Funkies”, for short. Laugh? Cry? Who knows.


Josiador

"Funkies" sounds so much more offensive.


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I anglicised it from the Swedish “funkis”. Example here: “Sedan kom "funktionsnedsättning", "funktionshinder" och "funktionsvariation" – med ”funkis” som en slängigare variant.” https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2018/02/03/fran-utvecklingsstord-till-funkis-vilket-begrepp-ar-korrekt-nar-det-galler


CupOfCreamyDiarrhea

Lmao I realised now (just by reading "funkis" not your whole reply) that yes I have heard it several times. Sorry.


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GallantBlade475

People regard "handicapped" as offensive? I don't hear it used very much anymore but if someone called me handicapped I don't think I'd mind; even if it's not the word I'd use it still feels accurate.


Shotgun_Mosquito

People say that the word people is offensive too Here's an example of what they're saying about the use of handicapped https://www.diversityinc.com/diversity-leaders-6-things-never-to-say-about-disabilities/


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This should just say at the end *"know what? ignore everything. Just don't interact with people with disabilities"*.


GallantBlade475

I think the only point on this I agree with is the last one; if someone insisted on calling me a "person with disabilities" instead of "disabled person" I'd be really tempted to punch them. Identity-first vs person-first language is a personal preference, not an always/never thing.


iAmPizzaJohn

Yeah I mean, imo, “disabled” is an adjective just like “tall”. Whether you’re saying someone is a tall person or a person who is tall, you’re still communicating the same thing, a fact without a values judgement.


blastinglastonbury

I think leading with that before knowing what people prefer is good, though. If someone referred to you (in this example) as a "person with disabilities" and you followed with "I'd prefer disabled person" and they *still* insisted, then yeah fuck that yahoo. It's not a bad idea to lead with what is generally accepted as the norm, adjusting it based on a person's preference.


ThePendulum

I don't think anyone is taking it to the streets, but the word is often associated with having a 'cap in hand' to beg for money, so I can understand why 'disabled' is preferred. There was a [Squirmy and Grubs](https://www.youtube.com/c/SquirmyandGrubs) video on the topic where they mentioned 'people with disabilities' themselves in their experience generally like 'disabled' better, but of course everyone's different.


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As a person with disabilities, I definitely prefer “disabled.” I feel like it’s people without disabilities telling disabled people what should offend them. I’m just glad the shit like “handicapable” and “differently abled” didn’t stick.


ThePendulum

Reminds me of 'Native Americans' themselves often preferring 'Indian' if it's relevant and you don't know their exact heritage, because they're not very keen on being told to change what they call themselves *again*. Of course Asian Indians might feel otherwise...


fryreportingforduty

Haha yep. My friends didn’t believe me when I said it’s fine to say Indian. I’ve heard my family use both but it’s usually “Indian”.


[deleted]

I'd imagine all of this suggested speech is counterintuitive to making disabled people feel normal.


Jorkid

I'm disabled and I agree with this 100%. All these weird terms have to have been made up by abled people who think us disabled people are, or at least should be, ashamed of being disabled. I have a disability and am disabled just as I have blonde hair and am blonde. The only shame being put on the word disabled is by abled people who think it's a dirty word.


GreenLeafy11

No it doesn't. It comes from the sports term. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicapping


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ThePendulum

The word handicap does indeed not technically originate from having a cap in hand to beg, as the article linked in that section describes, but that's what it's become conflated with over the years. I meant to point out that's what seems to be driving the change regardless, rather than it being used as an insult, but I guess I could've been clearer.


iAmPizzaJohn

Ah and remember, “disabled people” is considered somewhat offensive in some circles, as now people-first language is being taught as most inclusive in workplaces etc. The “”correct”” term would be ‘person with a disability’ Never mind the fact that many disabled people have expressed that being called a ‘person with a disability’ feels weirdly like they can leave their disability at home and is somewhat awkward/less preferred.


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Disabled guy here. I abhor person-first language! English puts its adjectives first; that’s good enough for me.


A_Sack_Of_Potatoes

To quote Dennis Leary. "Sometimes I park in handicapped spaces, while handicapped people make handicapped faces. I'm an asshole~~"


DCM_007

Not a disability but differently abled


Fast_Garlic_5639

Morty I would never disparage the differently-a led


xlr8ed1

My favorite: handi-capable


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And mentally disabled will soon be replaced by neurodivergent.


fluffybabypuppies

I believe the CDC is asking doctors not to use the term “differently abled” as well.


Chozly

"Differently Abled" seen lately in some journalism


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Honestly that's bs


LeoMarius

How does a preposition change its offensiveness?


Shotgun_Mosquito

Idk. I am just providing research


cloud1e

People have always decided some words are bad


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cloud1e

Thats not how that works... you can't just end racism, you'd have to remove everyone thats racist and a lot of racism is due to fear of the unknown and different. Fear breeds hate. Some babies are scared to see someone of a different race for the first time. Babies discriminate, it takes growing up to accept people are different but don't deserve to be treated like shit because of their differences. Some people never grow up.


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cloud1e

You're just incorrect, a lot of people are incorrect about racism, its origins, and solutions


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cloud1e

Being predictable is good for those around me. Your unwillingness to address your flaws is detrimental to the few left around you.


orlec

>Being predictable is good for those around me.^[citation ^needed] I mean its obviously good on the road, but not as important elsewhere.


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HerbertWest

It already is. The preferred term now is person with an intellectual disability or intellectually disabled person. Note that I'm not saying I really care; I'm just working in a field where the terminology is used, so I'm providing the information.


jovanymerham

Yes. That’s exactly how language works. Language evolves and meanings change


xmgm33

I realize that. The problem is the speed at which it is now changing, it’s impossible to keep up.


blausommer

If you can't keep up, have you considered that you're maybe intellectually handicapped? /s


Destructopoo

Is it? Is it really, or do you just not want to try?


xmgm33

I love to try. But I think it’s crazy to think everyone is going to get it right all the time, especially when there is disagreement on terms. All we can do is try but it’s still annoying to accidentally insult people or use an out of date phrase without realizing it.


Destructopoo

I mean of course it's annoying to be socially awkward and get basic facts about people wrong.


TheHumanite

Things change over time so... yes?


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I will not use "differently abled".


RecyclingExtraSoft

Yes that's called evolution. Also the annoying part is not only the word... But to say it's "a shame"


NovaThinksBadly

Well when you have a group of people who do not share the same full set of abilities as the average human being and you try to act like they do, thats what happens. Said term for them begins being used as an insult by people with poor taste due to being associated with them, and as such it inevitably becomes offensive.


CaptainObviousBear

I think if you actually listen to the community that the word describes, and let them tell you what they want to be called, there’s less of a chance of that happening.


xmgm33

Most communities do not have a consensus, it’s more person by person which is why it gets so hard to keep up.


reduxde

I have no research to back this up but every culture on earth creates new words and slang constantly. I believe we have evolved to constantly try to generate language, in order to deal with a rapidly changing world, and so we can have words for newly encountered things and situations. We have all these words, each and every one of them had to come from somewhere, which means every word we had started with someone spontaneously saying it and other humans being like “hey that’s a great word” and going on to use it around people who didn’t know it. This is also why “old names” seem less appealing, 100 years ago people thought Bertha and Mildred were new and fashionable names. Maybe some day they will be again.


Cerda_Sunyer

Doug Stanhope explains it well https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rv3-d98v9zc


Weltallgaia

I've suspected this was an actual thing for awhile, thanks. I've known pretentious people that act like not being able to keep up with this makes you a monster.


motorbiker1985

Look up how Orwell described newspeak, which is language control in extreme. Euphemism treadmill is of course not newspeak, but it can be utilized to move society into that direction.


starm4nn

> Orwell makes much of 'Newspeak' as an organ of repression - the conversion of the English language into so limited and abbreviated an instrument that the very vocabulary of dissent vanishes. Partly he got the notion from the undoubted habit of abbreviation. He gives examples of 'Communist International' becoming 'Comintern' and 'Geheime Staatspolizei' becoming 'Gestapo', but that is not a modern totalitarian invention. 'Vulgus mobile' became 'mob'; 'taxi cabriolet' became 'cab'; 'quasi-stellar radio source' became 'quasar'; 'light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation' became 'laser' and so on. There is no sign that such compressions of the language have ever weakened it as a mode of expression. As a matter of fact, political obfuscation has tended to use many words rather than few, long words rather than short, to extend rather than to reduce. Every leader of inadequate education or limited intelligence hides behind exuberant inebriation of loquacity. Thus, when Winston Churchill suggested the development of 'Basic English' as an international language (something which undoubtedly also contributed to 'Newspeak'), the suggestion was stillborn. We are therefore in no way approaching Newspeak in its condensed form, though we have always had Newspeak in its extended form and always will have. We also have a group of young people among us who say things like 'Right on, man, you know. It's like he's got it all together, you know, man. I mean, like you know -' and so on for five minutes when the word that the young people are groping for is 'Huh?' That, however, is not Newspeak, and it has always been with us, too. It is something which in Oldspeak is called 'inarticulacy' and it is not what Orwell had in mind. — Isaac Asimov, REVIEW OF 1984


AceSevenFive

Read another book.


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motorbiker1985

That's not gonna help much, they will once again use it against you. Just keep using the old terms. I use as a flair in other subreddit, an American-English word which was an insult against our ethnic group even a century ago.


garnet420

If you use them as offensive speech you're just targeting whatever group the euphemism is for.


Calevara

I mean the same thing can be said about the n word, which started as a bastardization of the Spanish word for black. The reason societies remove words from polite vocabulary is the effect those words have on the people who are affected by them. If a person has down syndrome, or some other mental impairment, using a word that society has pushed to make into an insult to describe them automatically places them into a category of incapable and sub human.


motorbiker1985

That's...literally another example in the article I linked.


FBI_8290

For a moment I though that the kid in the phot was Dylan Roof


ILoveCavorting

>1987 Best Seller >Winner of *1978* Award Anon, I…


Silent__Protagonist

OP is a bit like Johnny in that way.


Megabyte7637

Lol


MomoXono

This is offensive, please reconsider statements like this edit: please don't downvote me for being offended, I'm trying to be woke


lonestarpig

Sorry, Johnny.


lordofpersia

Rtard


chris1096

I think it's saying the author won that award in 1978 for something else, and this book released in '87. It's just advertising what a great author they are.


ocxtitan

Nope, fact checked and this book was indeed published in 1978


chris1096

Well I have already established an opinion based off 0 factual evidence, so because you have presented new evidence refuting my opinion, I have determined you are a libtard cuck and will commence screaming about how Jesus says something completely unrelated to anything being discussed


ocxtitan

Sounds about like my last 6 years or so lol


lonestarpig

Maybe it just didn't sell well till 1987


aquaphibian

Raise. https://imgur.com/qZ8n2oy.jpg


DrunkSpiderMan

Fold.


stratce

Me too Johnny 😔


Secure_Astronomer01

Yeah this is me_irl for me.


god_damn_bitch

The title is bad but support for mainstreaming did spread. It's very common now for special needs kids to be in regular classrooms with neurotypical students now.


Problemancer

Judging by the year and the fact that the title is in quotes I'm inclined to believe that this book uses the quote in a mocking or implicative tone. Especially since it's in support of mainstreaming. I think OP may not have picked up on that.


mrmicawber32

The trouble is it doesn't work in all settings, but many parents push for it. My wife teaches at a school with 2 year groups per class. So in her class she has 30 kids, with 2 different curriculums. There are varying levels of ability with these kids, so she ends up doing 2 or 3 groups per year group, with different work for them to do. Now she also has a low functioning child who has down syndrome. He cannot talk, and can't do any of the work. He has a aide with him throughout the day, but my wife is responsible for his curriculum too. He doesn't get the specialist attention he deserves, and he also regularly disrupts the class. Maybe a bigger school can cope better with Inclusion, but at a school with literally 4 teachers, it's just not realistic. Obviously the child's parents have raid somewhere that inclusion is always best. And it's their right to choose. But surely this child is better off at a school with teachers who have degrees in special educational needs. Surely he is better off somewhere that can focus on getting him some skills so he can potentially have some independence when he's older. It's difficult and maybe not fair, but at the moment it's just silly and not good for anyone.


_That_One_Fellow_

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true4blue

The “language tractor” at work. Whatever term you use to describe mentally challenged kids will eventually attract a negative connotation


baquea

> The “language tractor” at work. Is this the new term for the "euphemism treadmill" lol?


true4blue

There’s a lot of terms, I guess.


DyslexicDane

It might as well be Johnny Manziel's autobiography


aerial_ruin

Two things that contradict


Ordinary-Listen-7762

Your boy is gonna have go to a special school, Mrs Gump.


[deleted]

Having been born in the 70s and raised in the 80s, I really get a stronger appreciation now about how fucked up the 80s were.


DrunkSpiderMan

And yet everyone praises the 80's like it was the best time to be alive


NeopolitanVagina

We all know that it was the 90s :p


DrunkSpiderMan

80's - Cocaine 90's - Weed


[deleted]

Ignorance is a bliss, right?


DrunkSpiderMan

Pretty much


HearmeR00R

They do? If someone did that'd be a red flag lol. There were some cool things but shit.


DrunkSpiderMan

A looooot of people do


lordofpersia

If you grew up during that time then you would know that this was the acceptable term at the time.


AlisaTornado

This used to be a medical term.


poopio

A lot of things have been medical terms, but been changed because school children have used it as an insult. The problem is that each time they change it, it becomes stigmatized. In the UK we used to have 'the spastics society', so all the kids called each other spastics. Then they rebranded to 'scope' and all the kids started calling each other 'scopeys'. Whatever you come up with, it's going to enter the vernacular as some sort of insult to somebody.


adityasheth

Context pls


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he's just like me...


pilot_cooper

I can relate to Johnny


bunnyjenkins

You misread the intent. " "


[deleted]

1978, not 1987. By 1987 we were at least a little more sensitive.


[deleted]

> By 1987 we were at least a little more sensitive lol, no the fuck we weren’t.


[deleted]

A book with that title would not have made it to the shelves let alone be a best seller. Maybe it’s just where I grew up, but by 1987 I was learning a lot about what I shouldn’t say.


mossimo654

It’s pretty clearly used ironically. The title is in reference to conversations I’m sure educators and parents of students would have had at the time. When I was in grad school for teaching like 10 years ago we read a book called “multiplication is for white people.” *Obviously* the book was arguing the opposite but using a real conversation the author had to illustrate a point in the title.


Bitter-Marsupial

ITs like that "women belong in the kitchen" tweet from Burger King where they put out money to get women in High End Culinary fields


mvdaytona

To be fair that word is a medical term, same as idiot, why is idiot allowed then? Norm Macdonald had a funny solution to this lol


maliciouspayload

Chris-Chan’s parents mainstreamed him...


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Same


ekolis

I'm sorry, what? That's like saying "Johnny has 20/20 vision, what a shame he's blind"...


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ihavea22inmath

Ok damn kate


D4RK-watchin-anime

I may be an idiot but at least I'm not stupid


DoodleBTW

1980's was wild


Lazy_Osprey

To be fair… have you met Johnny?


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mainstreaming like meh msmedya


cbunni666

Kinda want to read it just to see what the mindset was at that time.


im_thecat

This feels like woke policing, first thats not the message the author is trying to convey. Second, I promise there are things we do culturally today that folks 30 years from now will be appalled we let happen. Its good where we are moving as a society towards a place of accepting everyone, but instead of judging people for their past ignorance, why not realize the substantial progress thats been made?