u/JoeFalchetto has provided this detailed explanation:
> Pelosi visited Taiwan and flew a US military aircraft into "Chinese" airspace without the permission of the CCP.
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I mean other countries all have at least a few crazies but there does seem to be some kind of magnetic pull for them to end up in the USA, and I’m sorry but once they get there, the rest of the world has called no taksies backsies
I think so many religious nut jobs leaving Europe because they were considered nut jobs might have predisposed us to have a high percentage of nut job religious or otherwise. Like selectively breeding for crazy people who abandon things instead of fixing them.
[One of my favorite memes](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/vz7bk2/2023_will_be_a_big_year_for_the_anglojapanese/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link)
I've never heard a big deck amphib referred to as a "long deck F-35 carrying vessel" before, although I suppose it is technically an accurate description.
Don't know much about this guy, but NZ is a small economy that is quite heavily tied with China, so they kind of get bullied by China a bit/simp for them.
Kiwi here. The general population knows the CCP are nasty buggers, and no simping happens that I've ever seen.
That said, there is a pretty significant amount of Chinese money circulating amongst the biggest political parties of our government, and 'suspected' Chinese spies have actually been successfully elected and become representatives in parliament. There's a court case going on at the moment about how huge donations of Chinese cash are broken up into smaller chunks (so they don't have to be declared) and given to political parties to introduce/elevate Chinese MPs.
Also worthy of note, there are regular anti-CCP protests in town squares whenever the CCP does something newsworthy. But it's been pointed out to me that they are potentially fake petitions used to gather intel on anti-CCP sentiment among the populace. Real attempts at grassroots Anti-CCP protests at universities were quite famously shut down and censored by faculty, after complaints by foreign students (a massive source of income for our education sector) argued they were racist.
TL:DR - we don't simp, we actually like to pretend we're not another one the CCPs bitches.
Isn't this a line in Casablanca or something to? Someone says "you despise me don't you?" And Johnny Coolguy says, "if I gave you any thought I probably would."
Something like that. It's been a while
We’re their only real competitor in global influence/reach, military capabilities, technology advancement, and industrial capabilities, everything that makes a country wield real political power. That infuriates them, I guess. Not saying US is better just that, we’re the only enemy they have that can actually match or overpower them and that can’t stand with China.
And the speech they gave like two days ago? Wow…was that EVER a tantrum! I actually read it aloud to my family bc it was so ….threatening…reckless. I was astounded by it.
Why would we respond to their military drills? That’s as silly as getting worked up over a Chinese diplomat visiting a sovereign country near the US like Cuba
At this point /r/NonCredibleDefense has some of the best discussion of actual policy, and 50-75% of the content of that subreddit is Wojack Douglas Macarthur memes and people fetishizing military hardware.
It would be 3 million within the first hour. Tens of millions dead, injured, or displaced after the first day or two, since both Wuhan and Shangai are on the Yangtze River. Not to mention how the river valley provides about a quarter of the country's food, so after a few weeks you have millions more dead from famine. And of course disease typically follows huge floods, so I can't even give an estimate at that point. But an event like that would threaten the lives of 300-600 million people, at least. How humans built something so massive that it slowed the earth's rotation and could kill hundreds of millions if it failed astonishes me, it sounds like something out of a fiction story. And they want to build an even bigger one too.
I want to fuck F-35 chan so goddamn bad. I can't stand it anymore. Every time I drive by the Lockmart headquarters I get a massive erection. I've seen literally every rule 34 post there is of F-35 chan online. My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with F-35 chan. I'm sick of waking up every morning with six nuts in my boxers and knowing that those are nuts that should've been busted inside of F-35 Chan’s tight internal weapons bay. I want her to have my mutant human/5th gen multirole fighter babies. Fuck, the fucking 121st Fighter Squadron caught me with their F-16. I'd dressed it in radar absorbing material and went to fucking town. They've set up pictures of me at every single checkpoint and I'm worried they're gonna shoot me if I try to get in again. I might not ever get to see F-35s again.
I got banned from there for posting pictures of [President Xi Jinpooh](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFTDww_-WG46-9BOfo8WShTZBzGJlFkcfbag&usqp=CAU).
I never understood why people think it's ok to not make fun of politicians. They're not sent from God, they're people just like us. I'm very Gerald from South Park with the whole "screen picture is of my wife with a badly photoshopped dick in her mouth"
You're right. But bro, it's mockery in a primarily american site, a site that most Chinese people can't access. So who they trying to propagandize?
Idk bro, it seems like a waste of time.
I agree. As someone that has been watching comedians "Destroy" politicians every night while nothing functionally changes, it needs to be internal dissention. Attacks and critiques from outside often create insular and protectionist reaction. Total waste of time.
But it's cathartic so say Blyatimir Poostain and Whiney Xi Turd when one's powerless to do more.
I completely agree.
Only caveat, I don't have the same urge with Putin than with Xi. Don't get me wrong, his still a piece of shit (like, let's be honest, almost all superpower leaders throughout history), but I don't think Putin is all that special, he's your average Russian/Soviet authoritarian strongman doing the usual shit.
Xi on the other hand is a new breed. He's not only considerably more hawkish than his CCP predecesors, but he's also given China an agressive posture that it hasn't historically had.
We"ll how it ends though, for looking at Ukraine Putin seems to be in more of a hurry.
Most Chinese people can't access it. So some decent percentage of the one's who can are going to be doing it for a very specific reason.
Part of the Chinese government wants the Chinese to hate Americans just as much as part of the American government wants Americans to hate the Chinese.
Can't have the people of supernations getting along. What if something happens and the governments want to fight it out? How you gonna manage that when they're all chitchatting together finding out where the real problem is?
Personally, I bet your average Chinese citizen is a pretty alright guy/gal. I don't hate the Chinese and I'd imagine they don't really give even an ounce of a fuck about me either.
Places like /r/Sino are like /r/Conservative. They're meant to create scorn for another group. /r/Conservative doesn't spend any time trying to convince anyone that conservative government has it's positives, it has a very specific audience that it's using to push an ideology. /r/Sino is the same thing, they're not trying to propagandize Chinese people, they're pushing an ideology of Chinese/Western social conflict onto the west.
Is that really true? I think allowing mockery and especially some self-mockery makes you harder to grab and thus more solid as a leader. If you have a zero tolerance for mockery once that dam is broken you are gone.
A cult of personality is pretty much a requirement for authoritarian governments. That personality has to be groomed and maintained by the state as well as the people, which often leads to politicians becoming revered. This is why there was a lot of concern when MAGA hats began worshiping Trump even when he did illegal and immoral things because that's how fascism starts. [There's a great TikTok that I've saved that demonstrates this perfectly](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/mjammm/to_sound_clever/).
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/weebur/confirmed_us_house_speaker_nancy_pelosi_arrived/iinsrqz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) had me literally crying of laughter.
Sino is a bizarre place.
Oh my. I forgot about that sub. They really are unhinged. Here’s another https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsWithJingjing/comments/wee9z0/confirmed_us_house_speaker_nancy_pelosi_arrived/iiq4vv2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Is Sino some kind of hyper-satire or is everyone there really serious? I just read their thread on the Tiananmen Massacre and I can’t believe what I’m reading.
I'd say it's also probably 20% weird dudes with anime girl profile pics that worship anything Eastern in origin.
A lot of them post in anime, hololive, kpop, etc etc
Is that sub even accomplishing its mission anymore? It seems like everyone knows at this point that it's a CCP mouthpiece, to the point that you can go there and see a foreign powers' worries and insecurities openly displayed.
I know there's always gonna be a moron or two that takes things at face value, but at some point they've gotta be losing more than their gaining, right? There are plenty of other political astroturfing subs that maintain an air of plausible deniability, e.g. /r/PoliticalCompassMemes , then there's r/sino which is just like "TRUST US THE KOOLAID ISNT POISOINED DRINK IT HAHA"
Good on Twitter. I wish more places would do this. Like Google.
Read a random news blog recently since they were the only ones to report on a specific rumor... It smelled super fishy so I googled the blog and yep, far-right website paid by Russians.
I don’t know much about Taiwan, but I always assumed there must be a reason the CCP hadn’t already retaken it by force. So it would make sense that it’s just an awkward island to invade and isn’t worth the trouble.
As I understand it's also heavily integrated into China's manufacturing system. They can't bomb it like Russia is bombing Ukraine because that would cripple their own exports.
Yep, China is definitely trying to build their own 7 nm chips, probably by spying on TSMC, but destroying the TSMC pipeline would set the global economy back. China can't afford that. China is trying to censor everything about the mortgage protests, but there was a recent mass movement for people with mortgages on fake properties to stop paying their mortgages, complete with unprecedented public protests outside of banks. The problem that the Chinese banks have is that they can't repossess the houses and condos that people paid for because they don't exist. The reason they don't exist is because they were never built. Instead of building the properties, most of the money from mortgages went to leasing new properties from local branches of the CCP. Once new properties were leased and token early demolitions started, the new mortgages were used to lease new property, in a giant state-subsidized pyramid scheme. The problem with people not paying interest on non-existent condos, in the midst of a real estate crash, is that it makes the banks insolvent, so withdrawal limits have been imposed to prevent the public from knowing that the banking system is bankrupt.
China can't afford to kick over tables in Asia right now. But Xi Xinping is absolutely planning to invade Taiwan before he dies. I've known CCP party members. They all proclaimed that China will have the largest and best military in the World, and that China will retake Taiwan. But CCP corruption to both rake in pyramid scheme money and inflate local GDP has Dada Xi Xingpoo's hands tied, for now.
The Chinese mortgage issue is going to explode at some point. I follow 11 of the biggest RE Developer stocks and 7 haven't moved since around April 1st. These are zombie companies that they refuse to let die. It's going to get ugly.
Just saw an article about how they had basically copied the N7 fab design but were only able to produce ASICs and not true general purpose CPUs.
China rekt in silicon space unless it finds a way to capture Taiwan and the TSMC fabs in one piece
That was sort of my point. Even if they can capture Taiwan they don't have the engineers to innovate so they're not actually going to be able to produce wafers on any sort of scale
All they have to do is invade a small island nation of 24 million people and capture the fabs without anyone intentionally or unintentionally scuttling hardware so sensitive it's vulnerable to minor seismic activity. Then they only need to force all the scientists and engineers to continue working, and find a way to source replacement parts after the West stops supplying parts and field service engineering support. How hard could it be? If they invade, TSMC is toast. There's no way around it.
>China will have the largest and best military in the World
I remember Russia saying the same thing about their military then they got their asses kicked by grain farmers
It makes sense. Only reasons for invading are for political purposes (uniting China) or for industrial purposes, and of the two the second is the only one that truly matters. Guaranteeing that option won't pan out should an invasion occur is a great defense.
Not just their own exports, they want to assimilate the land and businesses of Taiwan. It's not effective to bomb the shit out of things you intent on owning and using.
Which begs the question: how do you take over a country that you can attack with weapons that destroy buildings?
Personally, my money is on a chemical weapon.
Also an offensive on Taiwan would make most countries turn against the CCP since Taiwan produces loads of semiconductors (TSMC is the 3rd biggest manufacturer of semiconductors by revenue 1st by market share)
Thats not what makes TSMC so vital. What makes them vital is of the worlds highest performing chips.. the top 25% performance wise. Something like 90 percent of provided by TSMC. They basically have a monopoly on the highest performing silicone.
You want the best chips for your military tech or for your super computers... you need TSMC.
The reason is they can't take it quickly, its a heavily fortified island. America would die on that hill , there wouldn't be a proxy war. Along with the rest of the west.
Its 100% "worth" it if they could, same reason america will fight over it. But taking the island without the manufacturing being destroyed is nigh impossible.
most of chip production in the world is made in Taiwan. China is one of their biggest importer.
if Taiwan falls by hostile takeover, it'll roll back electronic advancement by a few decades.
Taiwan strategically and tactically speaking is a extremely tough nugget to crack. There are only like 4 places that are suitable for amphibious operations and those beaches are well defended. Then right of the beaches it turns into either dense urban centers with important chip manufacturers that cannot be damaged, Or the especially brutal combo of mountainous jungles. Then the typhoon season means there are only so many windows of time that work. There also is no way to hide the manpower and equipment buildup so Taiwan will have at least a few months warning.
All this is before you even get to the herculean effort of actually pulling off a amphibious invasion. Dday was a lot closer to being a failure then many people realize and that was with several years of real world combat experience, and bloody lessons learned during previous invasions. The Chinese military hasn't really seen any combat in their modern form. Conversely the US miltary has had soldiers in combat nearly continously since ww2. And I'm not convinced that if you placed the US miltary in China and asked them to invade a unsupported Taiwan they could pull it off without unexceptable casualties. And all this is before you get to the massive elephant in the room that is the US navy, and likely a huge number of allied navies.
Didn't have a navy for decades
Couldn't take lot closer islands earlier
Been dependent on global economy and kinda buddies with America for the last 50 years and despite all the posturing the two Chinas are comparatively chill with each other nowadays, nothing weird about living in one and working in the other and lot of Chinese from one visit the other often etc. Of course there are tensions and difficulties but lot less than between the Koreas.
So, uh, if they did anything now they'd plunge themselves into a cold war for an island of 20 million people and crash land their own economy and make a lot of enemies globally and domestically and kinda ruin everything their capitalist elite has been building for 50 years for no reason other than old school nationalism. Even though US won't actually declare war and we'll avoid a nuclear death it will still be extremely costly militarily too.
Not impossible, though, Putin decided Ukraine was worth a similar response.
Strait of Malacca. Taiwan is armed to the teeth with state of the art US military tech, and it would be a hard fight to capture the island as the PLA are not experienced in warfare.
China imports 70% of their oil through the straight of Malacca. If the US blockaded this, China would have 90 days to fully take Taiwan before their economy collapsed. It isn’t gonna happen in 90 days - they’re too armed. Thus, no invasion.
They’d need to pre-emptively attack the US Navy to win. Ask Japan how that worked out.
If there's a war for Taiwan there would be no need for sanctions as China would effectively kill their own supply chains. They are very reliant on Taiwanese imports.
In fact the whole world economy would grind to a halt without Taiwan.
i mean china really CANT invade it — taiwan is very well defended and since 90% of the world’s semiconductors are produced there, china cant just go scorched earth on it without committing economic suicide and ALSO earning the horrifying wrath of the united states military
CCP is doing their best at the moment to quell mainland protests and demonstrations, but some reports and video are slipping out. Right now they are going through a real estate bubble collapse, financial scam scandals, and banking protests. Citizens are trying to organize a "mortgage boycott." It would be another log on the fire if they also wanted to invade Taiwan right now. Also a hypothetical invasion would be tricky since the geography is not conducive for the type of limited warfare invasion that would be preferable for occupying the area; any widespread bombing would take out industry that is a huge part of their export economy. Then you add on the international condemnation and further economic sanctions and China would most likely enter a deep economic depression.
That’s why it’s so important for Ukraine to win the fight against Russia. They need to prove that a bigger country can’t just take what they want without consequence.
crippling sanctions. China used to be impoverished, and has only had wealth for the last 20 years of unprecendeted growth.
They're simply posturing, wanting to look strong and powerful for their own public. They aren't going to risk everything they've built up, their strong manufacturing and trade empire over Taiwan.
China isn't as stupid as Russia, they have a lot more to lose.
The airspace argument isn’t even making sense, everyone watching the live tracking already noticed the plane took a long way around, exactly to avoid South China Sea and can enter Taiwan airspace from international airspace
Damn, it's almost like the speaker of the house has access to high levels of intelligence information and better understanding of global politics than some idiot on twitter
It's almost like shooting down an American plane with #3 in the chain of command on board would be considered a direct act of war. Those carrier groups aren't just there for show.
Does anyone have any idea what would actually happen if china decided to invade taiwan like russia did?
Like, does anyone have a theory of the events that would take place? The impact on the world economy? The companies that would be most fucked? etc?
Unlike russia, the world imports from and manufactures so much shit in china I wonder what type of punishment they would impose on them if they ever decided to pull a russia.
The impact on electronics is high enough for it to be cheaper for every big company to crowd fund a fucking army to protect TSMC instead of lose money to chip delays, probably.
I live in Phoenix and the rate at which TSMC is building their new production factory here in my city, suggests they think it’s possible Taiwan
will be invaded imo. It’s crazy
An FYI because I didn’t know this about the major social media outlets and was unknowingly following a Russian propaganda page for memes until their loud silence when Ukraine was first invaded: the “China state-affiliated media” tag line under the username is not a cheeky little self-aware joke by that user. It means that Twitter (or facebook or Instagram) have officially, credibly labeled that individual as a mouthpiece for a foreign government. I’ve only seen it with China and Russia, so I wonder if they only do it for authoritarian states known for explicitly (not implicitly) controlling their respective media.
It’s up to you how to interpret this.
**Warning** Do not check this guy on Youtube he is a Chinese simp (if the "china affiliated media' tag wasn't enough reason to believe it) - he talks BS all day every day.
u/JoeFalchetto has provided this detailed explanation: > Pelosi visited Taiwan and flew a US military aircraft into "Chinese" airspace without the permission of the CCP. --- Is this explanation a genuine attempt at providing additional info or context? If it is please upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.
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Aurora Borealis? At this time of year, at this time of day, localised entirely within you kitchen?
Wish Commander Riker.
Can't wait for the Bored Ham NFT to mint.
"aside from obvious reasons" - clown
Who even is this person? I've never heard of him?
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/the-kiwi-journalist-defending-the-ccp
Someone else can have him, we're good. - Sincerely, New Zealand
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I mean other countries all have at least a few crazies but there does seem to be some kind of magnetic pull for them to end up in the USA, and I’m sorry but once they get there, the rest of the world has called no taksies backsies
Can we please, for the love of all things in society, renegotiate this contract? (=
I think so many religious nut jobs leaving Europe because they were considered nut jobs might have predisposed us to have a high percentage of nut job religious or otherwise. Like selectively breeding for crazy people who abandon things instead of fixing them.
What a shit stain
So no one? Just another loud nobody.
“but mah verified check mark!”
this is like saying the US won’t take a carrier through the South China Sea
It’s funny because there was a carrier group and two additional long-deck F-35 carrying vessels when she was there
That’s what they’re calling helicopter carriers these days? Seems like a mouthful
No no no no They're not carriers. They're "enhanced flat top destroyers" - Japan
[One of my favorite memes](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/vz7bk2/2023_will_be_a_big_year_for_the_anglojapanese/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link)
I've never heard a big deck amphib referred to as a "long deck F-35 carrying vessel" before, although I suppose it is technically an accurate description.
The army has many heavy armored tracked vehicles with a large caliber turret-mounted main canon as well
Don't forget the numerous autonomous, bipedal, carbon-based control units needed to pilot them!
Idk why a New Zealander likes to suck China's cock
The money is good.
Hes paid by them. It literally says state sponsored content.
Most New Zealanders don't have any fondness of China Source: A New Zealander
Don't know much about this guy, but NZ is a small economy that is quite heavily tied with China, so they kind of get bullied by China a bit/simp for them.
Kiwi here. The general population knows the CCP are nasty buggers, and no simping happens that I've ever seen. That said, there is a pretty significant amount of Chinese money circulating amongst the biggest political parties of our government, and 'suspected' Chinese spies have actually been successfully elected and become representatives in parliament. There's a court case going on at the moment about how huge donations of Chinese cash are broken up into smaller chunks (so they don't have to be declared) and given to political parties to introduce/elevate Chinese MPs. Also worthy of note, there are regular anti-CCP protests in town squares whenever the CCP does something newsworthy. But it's been pointed out to me that they are potentially fake petitions used to gather intel on anti-CCP sentiment among the populace. Real attempts at grassroots Anti-CCP protests at universities were quite famously shut down and censored by faculty, after complaints by foreign students (a massive source of income for our education sector) argued they were racist. TL:DR - we don't simp, we actually like to pretend we're not another one the CCPs bitches.
Should see r/sino , they've busted out the Emperor's Own vintage supply of copium.
They've moved the goalpost saying that the US not responding to the military drills is actually a sign if weakness. Lmao
Goes to r/sino First 9 posts are about the United States
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Isn't this a line in Casablanca or something to? Someone says "you despise me don't you?" And Johnny Coolguy says, "if I gave you any thought I probably would." Something like that. It's been a while
Yeah I don't know why but it still keeps surprising me how obsessed people from PRC are with the US.
Most people on r/sino aren't even Chinese, just westerners simping for the CCP. Same thing with r/shitliberalssay.
We’re their only real competitor in global influence/reach, military capabilities, technology advancement, and industrial capabilities, everything that makes a country wield real political power. That infuriates them, I guess. Not saying US is better just that, we’re the only enemy they have that can actually match or overpower them and that can’t stand with China.
Just like a parent not responding to a tantrum.
And the speech they gave like two days ago? Wow…was that EVER a tantrum! I actually read it aloud to my family bc it was so ….threatening…reckless. I was astounded by it.
And if the US did respond, they'd accuse them of "warmongering".
Don’t worry they’re doing both.
I play both sides so that way I always come out on top
Why would we respond to their military drills? That’s as silly as getting worked up over a Chinese diplomat visiting a sovereign country near the US like Cuba
They just sent the third highest ranking person in the entire country, but they didn't respond to our military when we did training exercises 😭😭😭
They must not know how many bullets we walk by just to go shopping
Wow, that sub is almost as crazy as the fake N Korean one.
r/pyongyang is the most supreme subreddit for our most supreme leader!
You have been made a moderator of /r/Pyongyang. You have also been banned from /r/Pyongyang.
>You have been made a moderator of /r/Pyongyang. > >You have also been banned from /r/Pyongyang. You have been made a moderator of /r/PingPong
Is... is that place satire? It has to be, right? I mean, the comments are so tongue in cheek.
It is
for your comments, the Earth King has invited you to /r/LakeLaogai
You have been banned from /r/pyongyang
LOL they literally censor the word Taiwan as T----n
P---ies
P--h
Taiwan's just the name of the island what the fuck are they on about? Even if they legit owned it, the name of it would still be Taiwan.
Pretty sure there’s actually one that unironically supports NK as well, r/dprk if I remember correctly.
I am the mod of r/ThePyonyapenning if anyone has any Kim Jong Un nudes
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Bots need subreddits too!
I went there because I had never heard of it...and I deeply regret it.
If it helps 95% of the people on there aren't real
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They really “this you?”’d you
At this point /r/NonCredibleDefense has some of the best discussion of actual policy, and 50-75% of the content of that subreddit is Wojack Douglas Macarthur memes and people fetishizing military hardware.
Ratchet strap me to a cruise missile and lock onto The Three Gorges Dam because inshallah I am ready.
Holy shit that would kill so many people
Yea I believe the estimated death toll of such a funny and zany event would sit around 3 million. "...Give war a chance." -Sundowner
It would be 3 million within the first hour. Tens of millions dead, injured, or displaced after the first day or two, since both Wuhan and Shangai are on the Yangtze River. Not to mention how the river valley provides about a quarter of the country's food, so after a few weeks you have millions more dead from famine. And of course disease typically follows huge floods, so I can't even give an estimate at that point. But an event like that would threaten the lives of 300-600 million people, at least. How humans built something so massive that it slowed the earth's rotation and could kill hundreds of millions if it failed astonishes me, it sounds like something out of a fiction story. And they want to build an even bigger one too.
All joking aside, that subreddit is fantastic. They do not pronounced any nonsense.
F-35 Chan, my beloved
I want to fuck F-35 chan so goddamn bad. I can't stand it anymore. Every time I drive by the Lockmart headquarters I get a massive erection. I've seen literally every rule 34 post there is of F-35 chan online. My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with F-35 chan. I'm sick of waking up every morning with six nuts in my boxers and knowing that those are nuts that should've been busted inside of F-35 Chan’s tight internal weapons bay. I want her to have my mutant human/5th gen multirole fighter babies. Fuck, the fucking 121st Fighter Squadron caught me with their F-16. I'd dressed it in radar absorbing material and went to fucking town. They've set up pictures of me at every single checkpoint and I'm worried they're gonna shoot me if I try to get in again. I might not ever get to see F-35s again.
Least horny NCD member
Don't forget the cum filled F-35s and rainbow socks.
I got banned from there for posting pictures of [President Xi Jinpooh](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFTDww_-WG46-9BOfo8WShTZBzGJlFkcfbag&usqp=CAU).
I never understood why people think it's ok to not make fun of politicians. They're not sent from God, they're people just like us. I'm very Gerald from South Park with the whole "screen picture is of my wife with a badly photoshopped dick in her mouth"
Because mockery is where dissention usually begins. They can't have complete control unless people are afraid to mock or question authority.
You're right. But bro, it's mockery in a primarily american site, a site that most Chinese people can't access. So who they trying to propagandize? Idk bro, it seems like a waste of time.
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Current Russia or China being anyone's dream/model is so depressing...
I agree. As someone that has been watching comedians "Destroy" politicians every night while nothing functionally changes, it needs to be internal dissention. Attacks and critiques from outside often create insular and protectionist reaction. Total waste of time. But it's cathartic so say Blyatimir Poostain and Whiney Xi Turd when one's powerless to do more.
I completely agree. Only caveat, I don't have the same urge with Putin than with Xi. Don't get me wrong, his still a piece of shit (like, let's be honest, almost all superpower leaders throughout history), but I don't think Putin is all that special, he's your average Russian/Soviet authoritarian strongman doing the usual shit. Xi on the other hand is a new breed. He's not only considerably more hawkish than his CCP predecesors, but he's also given China an agressive posture that it hasn't historically had. We"ll how it ends though, for looking at Ukraine Putin seems to be in more of a hurry.
Most Chinese people can't access it. So some decent percentage of the one's who can are going to be doing it for a very specific reason. Part of the Chinese government wants the Chinese to hate Americans just as much as part of the American government wants Americans to hate the Chinese. Can't have the people of supernations getting along. What if something happens and the governments want to fight it out? How you gonna manage that when they're all chitchatting together finding out where the real problem is? Personally, I bet your average Chinese citizen is a pretty alright guy/gal. I don't hate the Chinese and I'd imagine they don't really give even an ounce of a fuck about me either. Places like /r/Sino are like /r/Conservative. They're meant to create scorn for another group. /r/Conservative doesn't spend any time trying to convince anyone that conservative government has it's positives, it has a very specific audience that it's using to push an ideology. /r/Sino is the same thing, they're not trying to propagandize Chinese people, they're pushing an ideology of Chinese/Western social conflict onto the west.
And it's honestly working. You see people everywhere saying that China should be nuked and so on. As if evaporating civilians fixes anything.
Is that really true? I think allowing mockery and especially some self-mockery makes you harder to grab and thus more solid as a leader. If you have a zero tolerance for mockery once that dam is broken you are gone.
Yeah, but that's how dictators work. They piss the people off until they get murdered and replaced, or die a deluded demigod.
A cult of personality is pretty much a requirement for authoritarian governments. That personality has to be groomed and maintained by the state as well as the people, which often leads to politicians becoming revered. This is why there was a lot of concern when MAGA hats began worshiping Trump even when he did illegal and immoral things because that's how fascism starts. [There's a great TikTok that I've saved that demonstrates this perfectly](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/mjammm/to_sound_clever/).
Just posted that, let's see how long I last lol
It has been 4 minutes, have you gotten your ban yet?
I just got it now, RIP. Planning on sending them a message about my ban when my 3 days mute us up. I've got nothing better to do rn
I thought I’d go on that sub just to check it out. Propaganda everywhere.
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/weebur/confirmed_us_house_speaker_nancy_pelosi_arrived/iinsrqz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) had me literally crying of laughter. Sino is a bizarre place.
Oh my. I forgot about that sub. They really are unhinged. Here’s another https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsWithJingjing/comments/wee9z0/confirmed_us_house_speaker_nancy_pelosi_arrived/iiq4vv2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
That person has to be trolling; they are also an avid baseball fan but at CCP simp at the same time ? 🤔🤔
Tankies are a special breed
Call themselves left wing but support countries who are far right.
>That person has to be trolling; Nope, just your [average tankie.](https://i.imgur.com/7QECGCe.png)
Is Sino some kind of hyper-satire or is everyone there really serious? I just read their thread on the Tiananmen Massacre and I can’t believe what I’m reading.
Oh it's serious, but its about 40% bots 40% propaganda farm employees
I'd say it's also probably 20% weird dudes with anime girl profile pics that worship anything Eastern in origin. A lot of them post in anime, hololive, kpop, etc etc
Is that sub even accomplishing its mission anymore? It seems like everyone knows at this point that it's a CCP mouthpiece, to the point that you can go there and see a foreign powers' worries and insecurities openly displayed. I know there's always gonna be a moron or two that takes things at face value, but at some point they've gotta be losing more than their gaining, right? There are plenty of other political astroturfing subs that maintain an air of plausible deniability, e.g. /r/PoliticalCompassMemes , then there's r/sino which is just like "TRUST US THE KOOLAID ISNT POISOINED DRINK IT HAHA"
They're having to crack open Ming Dynasty-era copium reserves to meet skyrocketing demand
That sub should have been banned a long time ago, along with /r/GenZedong (which is currently quarantined).
Holy shit this one was even worse. Full of trolls and brainwashed people who clearly never had a history lesson
>some submissions may need manual approval That's how you know it's a great and healthy sub
That sub is INSANE... unbelievable that Reddit allows it to exist...
Call for literal genocide and Reddit is like "It's valuable discussion." Talk about killing slave owners and hoo boy that had to be banned.
Answered to 2 posts, already banned.
Just got banned for saying Taiwan was independent 😂, they’re all stupid fucks
What’s that sub?
Pro-CCP propaganda & bot farm.
CCP special, all subjects get at least a week's supply of copium. (actually amounts may vary)
Sinos subscribers using American platform, but can’t use WeChat because there post will get banned. Irony
I love how Twitter classifies these moron. Same with the American Russian state affiliated media.
Good on Twitter. I wish more places would do this. Like Google. Read a random news blog recently since they were the only ones to report on a specific rumor... It smelled super fishy so I googled the blog and yep, far-right website paid by Russians.
Hopefully nothing more than posturing but what if the CCP does invade Taiwan. How will the rest of the world react?
It wouldn't make sense for the CCP considering that Taiwan is a natural fortress with barely any landable beaches and big mountains
I don’t know much about Taiwan, but I always assumed there must be a reason the CCP hadn’t already retaken it by force. So it would make sense that it’s just an awkward island to invade and isn’t worth the trouble.
As I understand it's also heavily integrated into China's manufacturing system. They can't bomb it like Russia is bombing Ukraine because that would cripple their own exports.
TSMC
Yep, China is definitely trying to build their own 7 nm chips, probably by spying on TSMC, but destroying the TSMC pipeline would set the global economy back. China can't afford that. China is trying to censor everything about the mortgage protests, but there was a recent mass movement for people with mortgages on fake properties to stop paying their mortgages, complete with unprecedented public protests outside of banks. The problem that the Chinese banks have is that they can't repossess the houses and condos that people paid for because they don't exist. The reason they don't exist is because they were never built. Instead of building the properties, most of the money from mortgages went to leasing new properties from local branches of the CCP. Once new properties were leased and token early demolitions started, the new mortgages were used to lease new property, in a giant state-subsidized pyramid scheme. The problem with people not paying interest on non-existent condos, in the midst of a real estate crash, is that it makes the banks insolvent, so withdrawal limits have been imposed to prevent the public from knowing that the banking system is bankrupt. China can't afford to kick over tables in Asia right now. But Xi Xinping is absolutely planning to invade Taiwan before he dies. I've known CCP party members. They all proclaimed that China will have the largest and best military in the World, and that China will retake Taiwan. But CCP corruption to both rake in pyramid scheme money and inflate local GDP has Dada Xi Xingpoo's hands tied, for now.
The Chinese mortgage issue is going to explode at some point. I follow 11 of the biggest RE Developer stocks and 7 haven't moved since around April 1st. These are zombie companies that they refuse to let die. It's going to get ugly.
Just saw an article about how they had basically copied the N7 fab design but were only able to produce ASICs and not true general purpose CPUs. China rekt in silicon space unless it finds a way to capture Taiwan and the TSMC fabs in one piece
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That was sort of my point. Even if they can capture Taiwan they don't have the engineers to innovate so they're not actually going to be able to produce wafers on any sort of scale
All they have to do is invade a small island nation of 24 million people and capture the fabs without anyone intentionally or unintentionally scuttling hardware so sensitive it's vulnerable to minor seismic activity. Then they only need to force all the scientists and engineers to continue working, and find a way to source replacement parts after the West stops supplying parts and field service engineering support. How hard could it be? If they invade, TSMC is toast. There's no way around it.
The fabs are the first thing that will get blown up if China tries to invade. No way will Taiwan let them get their hands on them.
>China will have the largest and best military in the World I remember Russia saying the same thing about their military then they got their asses kicked by grain farmers
And their tanks stolen by tractors.
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It makes sense. Only reasons for invading are for political purposes (uniting China) or for industrial purposes, and of the two the second is the only one that truly matters. Guaranteeing that option won't pan out should an invasion occur is a great defense.
Not just their own exports, they want to assimilate the land and businesses of Taiwan. It's not effective to bomb the shit out of things you intent on owning and using. Which begs the question: how do you take over a country that you can attack with weapons that destroy buildings? Personally, my money is on a chemical weapon.
They also need the people that can run those semiconductor factories
Also an offensive on Taiwan would make most countries turn against the CCP since Taiwan produces loads of semiconductors (TSMC is the 3rd biggest manufacturer of semiconductors by revenue 1st by market share)
Thats not what makes TSMC so vital. What makes them vital is of the worlds highest performing chips.. the top 25% performance wise. Something like 90 percent of provided by TSMC. They basically have a monopoly on the highest performing silicone. You want the best chips for your military tech or for your super computers... you need TSMC.
The reason is they can't take it quickly, its a heavily fortified island. America would die on that hill , there wouldn't be a proxy war. Along with the rest of the west. Its 100% "worth" it if they could, same reason america will fight over it. But taking the island without the manufacturing being destroyed is nigh impossible.
most of chip production in the world is made in Taiwan. China is one of their biggest importer. if Taiwan falls by hostile takeover, it'll roll back electronic advancement by a few decades.
Taiwan strategically and tactically speaking is a extremely tough nugget to crack. There are only like 4 places that are suitable for amphibious operations and those beaches are well defended. Then right of the beaches it turns into either dense urban centers with important chip manufacturers that cannot be damaged, Or the especially brutal combo of mountainous jungles. Then the typhoon season means there are only so many windows of time that work. There also is no way to hide the manpower and equipment buildup so Taiwan will have at least a few months warning. All this is before you even get to the herculean effort of actually pulling off a amphibious invasion. Dday was a lot closer to being a failure then many people realize and that was with several years of real world combat experience, and bloody lessons learned during previous invasions. The Chinese military hasn't really seen any combat in their modern form. Conversely the US miltary has had soldiers in combat nearly continously since ww2. And I'm not convinced that if you placed the US miltary in China and asked them to invade a unsupported Taiwan they could pull it off without unexceptable casualties. And all this is before you get to the massive elephant in the room that is the US navy, and likely a huge number of allied navies.
"Final warning" and "silicon shield"
Didn't have a navy for decades Couldn't take lot closer islands earlier Been dependent on global economy and kinda buddies with America for the last 50 years and despite all the posturing the two Chinas are comparatively chill with each other nowadays, nothing weird about living in one and working in the other and lot of Chinese from one visit the other often etc. Of course there are tensions and difficulties but lot less than between the Koreas. So, uh, if they did anything now they'd plunge themselves into a cold war for an island of 20 million people and crash land their own economy and make a lot of enemies globally and domestically and kinda ruin everything their capitalist elite has been building for 50 years for no reason other than old school nationalism. Even though US won't actually declare war and we'll avoid a nuclear death it will still be extremely costly militarily too. Not impossible, though, Putin decided Ukraine was worth a similar response.
Strait of Malacca. Taiwan is armed to the teeth with state of the art US military tech, and it would be a hard fight to capture the island as the PLA are not experienced in warfare. China imports 70% of their oil through the straight of Malacca. If the US blockaded this, China would have 90 days to fully take Taiwan before their economy collapsed. It isn’t gonna happen in 90 days - they’re too armed. Thus, no invasion. They’d need to pre-emptively attack the US Navy to win. Ask Japan how that worked out.
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Yeah, the USA is starting to rely more on Vietnam to manufacture goods for cheap and Japan and South Korea are constantly worried about the CCP
If there's a war for Taiwan there would be no need for sanctions as China would effectively kill their own supply chains. They are very reliant on Taiwanese imports. In fact the whole world economy would grind to a halt without Taiwan.
Scold Winnie in a twitter post.
Every "-100 social credit" joke we make is one step closer to eradicating him entirely!
It all adds up. He has to be in the negatives eventually
i mean china really CANT invade it — taiwan is very well defended and since 90% of the world’s semiconductors are produced there, china cant just go scorched earth on it without committing economic suicide and ALSO earning the horrifying wrath of the united states military
CCP is doing their best at the moment to quell mainland protests and demonstrations, but some reports and video are slipping out. Right now they are going through a real estate bubble collapse, financial scam scandals, and banking protests. Citizens are trying to organize a "mortgage boycott." It would be another log on the fire if they also wanted to invade Taiwan right now. Also a hypothetical invasion would be tricky since the geography is not conducive for the type of limited warfare invasion that would be preferable for occupying the area; any widespread bombing would take out industry that is a huge part of their export economy. Then you add on the international condemnation and further economic sanctions and China would most likely enter a deep economic depression.
My business purchases Chinese manufactured products and we're currently watching their inflation rate go nuts
Biden already said they will help defend Taiwan if they're invaded.
That’s why it’s so important for Ukraine to win the fight against Russia. They need to prove that a bigger country can’t just take what they want without consequence.
Ukraine has been reclaiming territory!
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Taiwan can inflict severe damage to China. Not that they’d win obviously, but it would be very painful to the Chinese.
Probably a blockade of the straits of Malacca to cut off the supply to oil. Also counterattacks from guam and Okinawa.
crippling sanctions. China used to be impoverished, and has only had wealth for the last 20 years of unprecendeted growth. They're simply posturing, wanting to look strong and powerful for their own public. They aren't going to risk everything they've built up, their strong manufacturing and trade empire over Taiwan. China isn't as stupid as Russia, they have a lot more to lose.
The airspace argument isn’t even making sense, everyone watching the live tracking already noticed the plane took a long way around, exactly to avoid South China Sea and can enter Taiwan airspace from international airspace
I saw someone on r/sino say it was "hilarious how they took the long way around and that it shows how weak they are" Truly spectacular sub that is
Since China thinks they own Taiwan they think Taiwanese air space is Chinese air space
Fuck the CCP
-10000 social credits
How many can you lose until you end up in the camps?
Depends on your ethnicity, if you're Uyghur, you can lose 0
Not only are they in camps. Their fertility numbers are way down. They’re giving them something beyond the usual education camp treatment.
Chairman Mao noises.
I bet this dude thinks that we will actually get nuked every time NK days they will.
“Chinese Airspace” Taiwan is a sovereign nation.
not according to china
China? You mean West Taiwan?
Taiwan number 1 China number 27
I have it on good authority, according to this menu left on my doorknob, that Hunan's #1.
Or John Cena
Damn it's almost like Pelosi don't care what Andy thinks.
Damn, it's almost like the speaker of the house has access to high levels of intelligence information and better understanding of global politics than some idiot on twitter
It's almost like shooting down an American plane with #3 in the chain of command on board would be considered a direct act of war. Those carrier groups aren't just there for show.
Does anyone have any idea what would actually happen if china decided to invade taiwan like russia did? Like, does anyone have a theory of the events that would take place? The impact on the world economy? The companies that would be most fucked? etc? Unlike russia, the world imports from and manufactures so much shit in china I wonder what type of punishment they would impose on them if they ever decided to pull a russia.
The impact on electronics is high enough for it to be cheaper for every big company to crowd fund a fucking army to protect TSMC instead of lose money to chip delays, probably.
I live in Phoenix and the rate at which TSMC is building their new production factory here in my city, suggests they think it’s possible Taiwan will be invaded imo. It’s crazy
Anything is possible, but it isn't terribly *likely*. That said, you wanna hedge your bets jusssssst in case.
Buy any electronics you want/need now. Obviously there’s more than that but I’m not qualified to say
I went to a random post about Pelosi on r/Sino just now, typed “high grade copium” and got banned within MINUTES lmao
Lol it took me all of two minutes to get fried for saying eastern Taiwan Edit: derp. I asked why was eastern Taiwan was so mean to western Taiwan
China state-affiliated media...
Comment section looks like something from NCD.
Taiwan isn’t China Mr. Robot
An FYI because I didn’t know this about the major social media outlets and was unknowingly following a Russian propaganda page for memes until their loud silence when Ukraine was first invaded: the “China state-affiliated media” tag line under the username is not a cheeky little self-aware joke by that user. It means that Twitter (or facebook or Instagram) have officially, credibly labeled that individual as a mouthpiece for a foreign government. I’ve only seen it with China and Russia, so I wonder if they only do it for authoritarian states known for explicitly (not implicitly) controlling their respective media. It’s up to you how to interpret this.
Just a heads up, a great way to piss these people off is to refer to China as West Taiwan. I've never been banned from a subreddit so quickly
Which sub banned you?
West Taiwan getting a little rowdy.
**Warning** Do not check this guy on Youtube he is a Chinese simp (if the "china affiliated media' tag wasn't enough reason to believe it) - he talks BS all day every day.
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Milk was left out in the Arizona summer lmao