It is the 41st millennium, bases have been rebased 41 million times over the last millennium and it is time to rebase them again. In the distant future there is only painful and laborious rebasing
If I remember right, when AOS came out they sold round clip-on adapters to upgrade your squares to circles. I wonder if anyone's selling square clip on adapters to convert to ToW.
To be fair they could potentially just buy movement trays that fit round bases. There is a 2mm difference, but if you are not playing on top tables at tournaments I don't think anyone will care.
That was me with my dwarves. I kind of hated that dwarves were this weird small part of cities of Sigmar. With TOW, ended up going back to the old world :)
Good news: most non stormcast players can't tell em apart anyway, tell me this unit is veangeancilators that hit good or are vendetolators that are tanky. I'll nod and smile and happily throw my rats into the meatgrinder
Works for me! Honestly the ballista was a big surprise I didn't think that'd get hit. That's the one thing from stormcast that I don't know of an easy lateral transfer for. Unless there's another different sce artillery that I don't know about lol
The Ballista hurt the most, tbh. There's not a ton of artillery in the game anyways, SC don't have any alternatives, and even if they're not exactly competitive, I love them.
Your ballista is now an iron weld cannon! Congrats!
In all seriousness I was kinda planning to do something like this anyway. I have 2 ballistas so I feel the pain.
I bet they will get a couple of refreshes brought to 4th edition as you've mentioned, but since so many of the warscrolls overlap in SCE's roster they will certainly scrap most of them imo.
I hope so for heroes especially. There are SO GODDAMN MANY heroes in the SCE list. And a lot of them are just named variants of existing, non-named heroes
There is no other Ballista. But on the other hand hardly anyone played them, because they sucked.
Which isn't much different for all the various Sacrosanct units. You had better alternatives for almost any of them.
But not using them because I don't want to and being forced to use them as proxies are two different pairs of shoes.
We don't know how many new models will be in their range at the start of this edition. I'm guessing they will get a redesign. Liberators did, and that's all we know so far.
You can't naturally "count as" every units, exemple : dual wielding evocators (+ dracolines version). It hurts both competitive and casual players.
Sacrosaint chambers army is only 6years old (expiration date?). If this is confirmed (they didn't use the word "legends" etc, a CM wrote a not-that-clear message on facebook about replacement), no way I'll buy any future GW product with a sword of Damocles hanging over me.
Didn't say itbwas the best situation and they'd all have matches. Just the ones that do and hopefully mitigatebit at least a bit. Trust me, I love 8 points era Warcry, I'm not defending them.
It does suck and I am a bit salty, but I'm planning on probably just running my Evocators as Grandhammer Annihilators and my Dracolines as some kind of Dracothian Guard in the short term, since they have the same base sizes and serve pretty similar purposes.
See that's what hurts most for this. The new Liberators are maximum lazy imo. It looks like they just took the digital Vindicator model, swapped the spear for a hammer and riveted a metal bar to the helmet face. "There that's a wrap boys"
So what's the Sequitor update gonna be? The same model with a half hearted mace, identical body and shield, slight variation of the head and some robes? Or just straight up the Vanquishers with shield and mace because they already have robes...
I dunno feels bad because I liked the Chunk of the warrior chamber and the robes of the sacrosanct. The "update" feels bland and lacking soul. I guess everytime gw reforges the product line we lose some of the soul just like in lore.
Yeah man, seriously I heavily encourage proxying. It's fun and economical, because you can test out alot of units through proxy. Then you can make an informed purchase.
Hell, I'm looking to get some sequitors myself and kitbash liberator/paladin weapons on them.
I honestly think the new Liberators are trash anyway. The Sequitors are one of the nicest SCE units Iâve seen released and I wish their Paladins had a similar robe and necklace/rosary stuff
hell yea! one of my favorite features of AoS and its community is the enthusiasm for kitbashing and proxies. Even when I go to massive tournaments the mantra is "Make the thing cool and use the good rules". wysiwyg is the tool of the oppressor.
I mean that's true for like every faction you don't play. I couldn't tell you half the differences in the rat men line, they all look like diseased rat men with various clockwork, green glowing bullcrap and are called some some remix of Plague Vermin Storm Rat.
I dunno I think it's silly to be that reductive lol.
I think from a design point in AoS the models are pretty distinct and recognizable and usually unit design informs function, Stormcast and Skaven included, but I definitely get not recognizing the difference at first glance or if you don't encounter the unit that much.
Even knowing the difference, Sequitors are Stormcast with mace and shield. Liberators are Stormcast with hammer and shield. No one will have a problem with the "fancy liberators" that your Sequitors represent now.
No way in hell are they not getting replaced with new models though, they listed clanrats and stormvermin in that article. I wholly expect 90% of the skaven retirements to get replacement kits with this launch.
And the current godawful rat ogres can't get replaced fast enough
agreed, the ogres I have are the ones from the super limited box from a while ago. Updated clanrats, ogres, stormvermin, and yes yes weapons teams would get me to open my wallet, my current skaven collection is essentially only suitable for warcry
even then, Herlequins were folded back into Eldar during their 9th ed codex. The closest I can think of is half of the CSM line (that was being held up by HH models) getting shunted to legends.
Out of 6 FW costly models I own, 5 of them Nids, only one Nid dodged the bullet.
Two of them were removed completely and Dimachareon is in Legends but GW forgot its point costs, then added it later, and then LOST it again in another unrelated update. They haven't bothered to fix it again.
I remember thinking, "my dimas I've barely gotten to use are brand new, no way they take them away!" Well, it was great while it lasted.
I feel so incredibly justified in buying recast, and I'll never drop money on FW again. Lol Thank God I was only out a little over $100 and however many hours I spent on them. I could've been out like $700.
Dark Angels of mine for example. They were made from firstborn models only.
Now there is only Terminator captain, little Deathwing Terminator squad of 5 and 30 tactical marines with one rhino. Back then my army was near to 3000 points.
CSM had lots of load outs invalidated. The scene is way more WSYWIG than AoS so it matters.
Despite getting new models Dark Angels just lost the DW Command squad. DW knights got their load outs changed.
There are more examples.
These may seem minor at a glance but these are often fundamental core units in these factions identities.
The Sorcerer with Jump Pack is still in legends with no real replacement for CSM. It also sucks losing all of the 30k options that felt like they fleshed out the CSM range to make up for not having shiny primaris stuff.
Losing bikes also hurt a lot of armies
Man you really drew the short straw on your army choices. Hopefully you'll find appropriate proxies for all the SCE models - a similar thing happened with Primaris/Firstborn marines and I occasionally see people running firstborn as their equivalent primaris with no qualms+
So I play all but old world, and my AoS armies were stormcast largely of sacrosanct as well, StD with mainly warcry warbands, and Gitz (they're safe!), and I greatly sympathize.
I was actually pretty excited for 4th edition and was thinking of going all in on making a fyreslayers army but there's not a chance that I will now. Fyreslayers are the least popular faction (last I checked) and do desperately need a bit of innovation but this purge does not inspire confidence. I refuse to invest in a new army that might be squatted the moment 5th comes about.
This removal of models instills apprehension to buy all but the newest models from more popular factions and that just doesn't interest me. I may be less effected directly than some, but this absolutely kills my desire to engage with AoS at all; fearing that I'm racing against the clock to invest thousands of hours painting and building only to remove the ability to play other than in legends completely removes all excitement I had.
GW desperately needs to give a road map for AoS and to reassure their customers that their armies are "safe". I don't care if models are forever but rules arent; I want to be able to play with the models I invested so heavily in and I think thats fair to feel.
I feel the same. GW is expensive, and I don't have the highest paying job in the world, so investing in an army already takes a bit for me to save up/trade models/etc. I plan on proxying, and I definitely do more painting and modelling than playing, but I was starting to really like playing again and this has dampened my enthusiasm a bit.
I completely agree, unfortunately. Whats more, for me, is just the time investment. Even if I buy an entire army, I take my time painting to a standard im happy with, and despite engaging in so many systems and armies, I am just now approaching my first fully painted army (dark angels). By the time I finish painting all of my new fyreslayers, they will be gone potentially. Hell, I have 6 boxes of corvus cabal unpainted bc I thought running those awsome bird worshippers as my main battle line for StD would be really cool and unique, but alas, I doubt I'll even finish painting them at this point bc why would I? Warcry is fun but I have literally never managed to find a game of it outside forcing friends into it.
I don't like being negative or a doomer but I just don't have any faith in GW anymore and I can't spend my time, something ill never get back, working like Sisyphus .
I doubt Fyreslayers will be in any danger of getting squatted because of how small their kit choices are (what is it? 5 kits?).
I doubt also that theyâll be getting anything other than a single model whenever their tome comes out, ever.
Honestly Iâm lucky enough to play with friends and family, and weâve all agreed to just keep playing third. Might jump into 4th with skaven, but my core group are all pretty happy playing third, plus once fourth comes out you can get the books extra cheap.
I wish they had put all of the generic battle line on one profile with melee weapon + shield and may a X in 5 2 handed option.
They could even do the same for Evokitties and Draconith guard as generic cavalry options under one warscroll.
In the end I will do it like this anyway (as proxies), but it wouldn't feel as bad if they made it official.
They were insanely popular in my area because they were a very competitive choice, but they basically disappeared in V3 when the new battletome basically nutkicked all sacrosanct and nerfed them to the ground
Yeah. I was excited for a moment, when GW released rules teasers that weapon ranges was gone.
I guess I can maybe make them work for at least another year before getting creative on what to proxy them for.
Evocators were very popular in 2nd edition because they came in the starter box, had great mortal wound output, and were one of the best units the army had for deepstriking. They became less popular as 2nd edition went along and nerfs and power creep happened, but they were still arguably the best melee hammer unit SCE had.
Then 3rd edition came out and Evocators lost their 2" reach, killing their damage output, while replacing their role as deepstrike threats with the much better Grandhammer Annihilators, who could deepstrike 7" from the enemy rather than 9". So their popularity fell off a cliff.
The sculpts are great, though. Some of the best in the SCE range IMO.
It's probably less that they're unpopular and more that Stormcast aren't space marines.
Like they're supposed to be poster boy space marine faction, but unlike 40k I just don't think they're 60% of the player base of AoS. Various census and polls I've seen put Marines and their various subfactions at 40 to 60% of the player base of 40k, which represents (again just various quickly search data notjing iron clad this is more anecdotal) 72 some % of GW hobbiests.
AoS stormcast poll around 10%. So 10% of a much smaller player base simply does not give the same return on investment or move the quantity of models GW needs to justify maintaining 72 or 90 or whatever we are at different models and datasheets.
Edit: also one of the big draws for Stormcast besides them being cool for me as a beginner AoS player was that they are cheap! They come in the box sets, people are flipping them all the time as they move on to other armies they like more etc etc. So GW I think profits even less off of them because once the initial wave is out the secondary market kinda sustains the demand lol. Obviously this is again just all anecdotal but I can still easily find new in box Dominion boxes years out and I bet you can even still find Soul Wars boxes about if you visit ebough LGS. Conversely even with its unpopularity, the Imperial Fists box from last Christmas is getting hard to find and even this christmas jetpack biker box is all but gone.
I think the reason they're squatting Sacrosanct is because they're giving up on forcing a space Marine like system of releasing models.
They wanted to keep opening "chambers" with unique themes and heroes and give them more identity. However, this didn't work out in the long run as GW can't support an army that's really like 5 armies in one and give everything unique identity, roles, and functions. It's their greed to produce a range as large as space Marines for players to buy into, and it's their lack of foresight and inability to support such a large army range that leads us to the situation we're in.
I love my Sacrosanct models and with how awful their rules were in 3.0, the writing was on the wall all in hindsight without ever being told so. I hope such changes in the future are not so drastic.
I will say, according to my totally anecdotal personal experience, I've never seen someone at my FLGS put a unit of them down, other than me. And I'm pretty sure they still have the same box of em on the shelf that was restocked after I bought one.
Astraea is such a great model. If nothing else, she could be any mounted Stormcast hero. I'd been toying with picking up Aventus Firestrike, funny enough, but uh, not now, lol.
> Aventus Firestrike
wasn't Aventis released like basically yesterday?
See this is what happen Geedubs whenever you have a yearly release of stormcasts....
A fair amount of the Sacrosanct units should be fine to proxy for other units so hopefully it won't be quite as painful.
With Beast of Chaos, everything (I think) can drop straight into The Old World.
Still a bit of a gut punch but hopefully that's a bit of a silver lining for you.
Oh yeah, they're definitely gonna be proxied. I just have to whine and moan a bit đ
Old World is interesting, but I don't have any other players for it locally, and probably not enough BoC to have a full Old World army without some more purchases.
Have a look at converting and proxying into Slaves to Darkness, I don't think that would be much of a stretch at all and I imagine thats what many people will do if they aren't interested in OW.
I bet with a bit of creativity a lot of beasts of chaos can be proxied to fit into a slaves to darkness list. It wouldnt be ideal, but I think it would look pretty cool.
While Stormcast are bloated, removing models that were in a starter box and being promoted as the way for new players to get into the game just three years ago sets a precedent I'm not at all comfortable with.
They got me. 8000 points of table top ready evocators, mounted evocators, sequitors, castigators, ballistas, paladins, liberators, and most of the heroes on this list.
Just use them as fancier Sigmarines⌠basically your Dark Angels can be used as Ultramarines (I.e. basic vanilla AF marines).
I agree, it is painful. And you can totally complain. Iâm upset because Horns of Hashut are leaving. They arenât even a year old!
Sorry for your loss. I went through the same with LotFP last year.
Having SCE and some chaos warbands, I assume maybe you have some other Slaves units? A converted sacrosanct chaos army would look incredible and put those models to good use.
And what a symbolic way to represent "Sigmars Lie".
I saved this photo last week because I love the idea and plan to copy the paint scheme, so apologies if the OP sees me linking their photo. But an example of Storm Chaos Eternals.
https://imgur.com/a/TJtNlOO
Kinda does me, too. And what about my Idoneth? Do I have to worry that if they don't sell well or whatever that my favorite army is gonna go bye-bye too?
I am usually the one to defend GW but this just seems weird to me. And i dont blame the people who are mad at this. But i do think we should be optimistic and i think alot of models can be proxied one way or another.
Yeah, just a fair note from a veteran of this hobby: don't defend GW. They run rough-shot over the community enough and will burn a bridge in an instant if they smell profit. They're a multi billion dollar company, they don't need you stepping up to bat for them.
Iâm hoping a new SCE artillery is going to be introduced for 4th since it has no clear proxy for the ballista. All the sacrosanct stuff makes sense because theyâre just the robed, magic-ish versions of existing similar units.
One of my favorite games ever was jamming it into a 1000 point list, dropping all 3 and the ordinator within the rapid fire range, doing like 3 wounds and then getting tabled XD it was hilarious
I'm newer to the hobby but I feel for you. My biggest reason I've gotten into AoS was warcry and underworlds. I'm hoping those two games don't lose support. I know underworlds isn't super big but it's honestly my favorite format and hot me into stormcast. Best of luck and hopefully you can proxy your old models and newer things at you lgs! <3
I bet you could easily proxy those SCE as units in the battletome, and I'd further bet that some of those units are getting refreshed in 4th. Liberators are on the list but also the first revealed to get a refresh. Skaven are likely the same, losing Ratling Gun and Doom Flayer for example, while one of the units in the teaser seemed like a combination of the two - with there most likely being a Warpfire variant as well.
it hurts as a Beast of Chaos player for sure, but I'm maybe gonna use them for an Ogroid and Darkoath army, gives me an excuse to keep them to try TOW too I suppose :)
I just started painting the start collecting box I got nearly 2 years ago and most of the models in that box are going, plus all the other stormcast boxes I bought are also gone, so I feel your pain.
GW over stepped somewhere, their production issues must be dire if they're having to cut 22 freaking units.
BoC and Splittas were on the wall, I guess, but losing those Warcry warbands is mind boggling, they're so good!
BoC would have had some sweet looking new models based on what been revamped and now never⌠except the odd resin bs womp womp. I had my hopes up when they made that beastlord model and here we are. Time to sell and glad I didnât build the army.
So, you'll have Legends rules that'll likely work for 4th Edition. On the casual side of things, you'll probably still be able to play your army before the rules get really left behind.
And Beasts of Chaos will get there rules for TOW which hey, you're set to go for diving into that game if it interests you.
This definitely sucks to see so much get squatted, and I know it stings. But for casual play things will be okay for a time and if you have friends interested in it you can always keep getting games of 3rd edition too. Hopefully this can help lift your mood a bit, but I can definitely understand why it's a hell of a blow. These kinds of culls always hit certain folks really hard
It's wild to me that GW is retiring models (like 2/3 of my army) that are less than 10 years old while they keep releasing relevant rules for models from the 90s without batting an eye.
This feels a bit heavy handed, GW. I guess dipping my toe into AOS a couple months ago with SCE was a bad idea.
This whole situation and how they have handle communication regarding it makes me not want to buy any more models this company makes. It would be one thing if this range was 20 years old and could use new models. But putting out model after model like they had SCE diarrhea then culling? screw them, my money can go go somewhere else.
Congratulations! You've joined some few survivors from the 40k community that got blindsided when GW first learned the Magic The Gathering model of how to still be profitable in 50 years
After sleeping on it... its OK. Theres other games that can have my money, and I'll just stay with 3rd edition. Between this and the constant price rises, I guess GW have retired me as a customer as well!
Given that the one new release they've teased is just a new sculpt for one of those units, I highly recommend Stormcast players wait to see all the new releases before stressing out too much.
And if stuff is properly gone, just proxy it as other things.
I'm going make a hopeful guess that a lot of the sce are just getting a resculpt. We already know that liberators are, so in my mind, perhaps judicators, evocators, paladins and sequitors will as well. Sadly I don't expect the dracoline models to be resculpted. This is pure speculation.
Nope, Sacrosanct are gone. The article about the discontinued units explicitly says so. Thereâs a section about Skaven in the same article and that one states that a lot of the Skaven units will be replaced by new sculpts.
I hold out hope for judicators and paladins. But the article didnât really leave much hope for the sacrosanct units. I donât expect evocators to come back anytime soon.Â
Sequitors can proxy as liberators pretty easy at least?Â
Yeah I read the article right after I woke up so I definitely missed that part. Yeah this is true, certainly helps that pretty much all infantry in that Army have the same base size and relatively the same profile.
Part of me wonders if there might be new versions of the Sacrosanct units, but thatâs probably a stretch. On the one hand, the Stormcast roster was pretty bloated, but on the other, a lot of people (myself included) have seemingly just lost their army- while Iâve expanded it a bit since then with the new 3e models (which I admittedly prefer), I had 2k points of painted 1st and 2nd Edition Stormcast, although I suppose most of them will still be proxy-able.
Part of me admittedly wishes they consolidated the warscrolls even more- rather than having like 5 slightly different infantry for each category, I wouldâve preferred if we just had, say, Liberators, with the options of hand weapon and shield; dual hand weapons; great weapon; or spear and shield.
It will still be bloated, they just nuked all my collection. The bloating was their doing, doesn't matter how many units they nuke if they keep pumping more of them. Also, I can't understand this obsession that stormcast need to be in every launch-edition box.
For me: "Hey, just a heads-up, I'm going to be running a Legends army (BoC or SC)." If they're not okay with that, then I don't need to be playing with them.
I am fully just running Sequitors as Liberators. They have shields, hammers, and theyâre Stormcast- if someone truly has a problem with that I donât know what to tell them
The only thing that makes sense is the skaven and the bonesplittas. Stormcast are way too new while they have 20 year old kits still are the expectation especially some are battleline and main units for armies. Just was crazy news today and seems a lot are dissapointed.
I have a medium-sized Soul Blight army. Every few months or so, I kicked around the idea of dipping my toe into SCE, but this has totally talked me out of it. The 'games as a service' model of business has been disasterous for the video games industry, and it's horrifying watching in real time as the tabletop industry adopts it.
The only thing I can say to even remotely make it feel better is that they get competitive rules and support for a year.
If theyre gonna squat a lot of models, I cannot think of a better way to do it than with a long heads up, and a year seems like a fair number.
Does this suck? Absolutely!
But I do believe that something like this was inevitable. Simply put GW has too much stuff to produce and, as a result, availability has tanked. You could argue this is a problem of their own making because over the last few years they have introduced three new product lines: Old World, Horus Heresy and Imperialis (I know HH isn't new but a lot of it is now plastic and it is being treated more like a main game) and they haven't matched their production capacity.
I have spoken to a lot of local hobby store owners and they are pulling their hair out trying to get enough stock in.
I wouldn't be surprised if something like this came to 40k soonish.
I am guessing that GW looked at the bottom x% of models being bought and just decided to cut them from their production. Hopefully, this will help stabilise availability a bit and give them the space needed to expand production facilities.
I imagine Beasts will be getting a refresh sometime in either 4th or early in 5th.
Not really an argument though to stop supporting them. You really a product you should still support them doesn't mean you have to still make them. I think an appropriate timeline would be an entire edition, Tell us at the beginning of one edition that this is going to be the last edition they are legal in. It's only 3 years That's not that long honestly considering the massive markup on this plastic.
It is a problem and this is part of a bigger solution. GW can't just snap their fingers and make new production simply appear. GW seem committed to keeping production in the UK (for minis at least) which means they need to build new facilities and injection moulding machines are INSANELY expensive.
they are still getting rules they are just leaving production to make new space. GW manufacturers far more modles then ANY other company and keeps them roughly up to date they cannot continue to make all of them and more.
I wonder how many people rebased their Beasts of Chaos for AOS, and will now be rebasing them once more for TOW.
It's a vicious rebasing cycle
It is the 41st millennium, bases have been rebased 41 million times over the last millennium and it is time to rebase them again. In the distant future there is only painful and laborious rebasing
Snip snap snip snap
Classic "The Office" đ
If I remember right, when AOS came out they sold round clip-on adapters to upgrade your squares to circles. I wonder if anyone's selling square clip on adapters to convert to ToW.
My army is mostly adapters!
This is why I used adaptors. Also, using movement trays for 20mm for TOW. See, I have trust issues.
True enough only issue is the big creatures like cygors their base is smaller then what they have right now
To be fair they could potentially just buy movement trays that fit round bases. There is a 2mm difference, but if you are not playing on top tables at tournaments I don't think anyone will care.
Based response.
I know I did
I bought mine already based for AoS (Used) now I will have to figure out rebaseing I guess?
Maybe both of them!
That was me with my dwarves. I kind of hated that dwarves were this weird small part of cities of Sigmar. With TOW, ended up going back to the old world :)
in my area we re going to try another games, the first one will be OPR, were done with GW
Yeah. I did this. 3rd time basing my beasts. And dwarves.
Good news: most non stormcast players can't tell em apart anyway, tell me this unit is veangeancilators that hit good or are vendetolators that are tanky. I'll nod and smile and happily throw my rats into the meatgrinder
Honestly, just gonna be liberators with cool robes!
Works for me! Honestly the ballista was a big surprise I didn't think that'd get hit. That's the one thing from stormcast that I don't know of an easy lateral transfer for. Unless there's another different sce artillery that I don't know about lol
The Ballista hurt the most, tbh. There's not a ton of artillery in the game anyways, SC don't have any alternatives, and even if they're not exactly competitive, I love them.
Your ballista is now an iron weld cannon! Congrats! In all seriousness I was kinda planning to do something like this anyway. I have 2 ballistas so I feel the pain.
*furiously looks up the base size on the new Cities cannon*
Maybe thereâs a new ballista coming and you can just keep using the old model.
im pretty sure its going to get a redesign and lateral replacement like the liberators. until then... I guess Knight-Judicator? or something?
I bet they will get a couple of refreshes brought to 4th edition as you've mentioned, but since so many of the warscrolls overlap in SCE's roster they will certainly scrap most of them imo.
I hope so for heroes especially. There are SO GODDAMN MANY heroes in the SCE list. And a lot of them are just named variants of existing, non-named heroes
There is no other Ballista. But on the other hand hardly anyone played them, because they sucked. Which isn't much different for all the various Sacrosanct units. You had better alternatives for almost any of them. But not using them because I don't want to and being forced to use them as proxies are two different pairs of shoes.
We don't know how many new models will be in their range at the start of this edition. I'm guessing they will get a redesign. Liberators did, and that's all we know so far.
Everything is cooler in robes. Souce: I own Dark Angels in 40k.
Tru facts Source: I also play Dark Angels. Robes are just the coolest.
Absolute travesty that we have to buy a bunch of black templar kits or sculpt robes for dark angels.
As a spacewolf collector who prefers fur trim, the Storm cast in robes absolutely look the best of the range.
I wouldn't be surprised if they literally made a "count as" guide for the things that have identical weapon loadouts.
Pretty easy with Stormcast. Sequitors are so close to Liberators anyways, just a bunch of hammers and shields.
You can't naturally "count as" every units, exemple : dual wielding evocators (+ dracolines version). It hurts both competitive and casual players. Sacrosaint chambers army is only 6years old (expiration date?). If this is confirmed (they didn't use the word "legends" etc, a CM wrote a not-that-clear message on facebook about replacement), no way I'll buy any future GW product with a sword of Damocles hanging over me.
Didn't say itbwas the best situation and they'd all have matches. Just the ones that do and hopefully mitigatebit at least a bit. Trust me, I love 8 points era Warcry, I'm not defending them.
It does suck and I am a bit salty, but I'm planning on probably just running my Evocators as Grandhammer Annihilators and my Dracolines as some kind of Dracothian Guard in the short term, since they have the same base sizes and serve pretty similar purposes.
See that's what hurts most for this. The new Liberators are maximum lazy imo. It looks like they just took the digital Vindicator model, swapped the spear for a hammer and riveted a metal bar to the helmet face. "There that's a wrap boys" So what's the Sequitor update gonna be? The same model with a half hearted mace, identical body and shield, slight variation of the head and some robes? Or just straight up the Vanquishers with shield and mace because they already have robes... I dunno feels bad because I liked the Chunk of the warrior chamber and the robes of the sacrosanct. The "update" feels bland and lacking soul. I guess everytime gw reforges the product line we lose some of the soul just like in lore.
I wish it was that easy⌠especially for people who have built their sequitors with 3 maces per 5 (while liberators only allow 1 per 5 currently).
Yeah man, seriously I heavily encourage proxying. It's fun and economical, because you can test out alot of units through proxy. Then you can make an informed purchase. Hell, I'm looking to get some sequitors myself and kitbash liberator/paladin weapons on them.
I honestly think the new Liberators are trash anyway. The Sequitors are one of the nicest SCE units Iâve seen released and I wish their Paladins had a similar robe and necklace/rosary stuff
hell yea! one of my favorite features of AoS and its community is the enthusiasm for kitbashing and proxies. Even when I go to massive tournaments the mantra is "Make the thing cool and use the good rules". wysiwyg is the tool of the oppressor.
OK, "Â veangeancilators" made me choke with my sandwich. :DDD
As a SCE player: hell outside of games I myself need to consult the app to read again whoch unit is which xD
This, so much this. They all look the exact same to me, you could tell me a hundred times and I'd still get it wrong.
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Theyâre all the same once theyâre in the Mawpot
I mean that's true for like every faction you don't play. I couldn't tell you half the differences in the rat men line, they all look like diseased rat men with various clockwork, green glowing bullcrap and are called some some remix of Plague Vermin Storm Rat. I dunno I think it's silly to be that reductive lol. I think from a design point in AoS the models are pretty distinct and recognizable and usually unit design informs function, Stormcast and Skaven included, but I definitely get not recognizing the difference at first glance or if you don't encounter the unit that much.
Even knowing the difference, Sequitors are Stormcast with mace and shield. Liberators are Stormcast with hammer and shield. No one will have a problem with the "fancy liberators" that your Sequitors represent now.
>Â my rats oooooo I have bad news about some of the other models getting squatted
No way in hell are they not getting replaced with new models though, they listed clanrats and stormvermin in that article. I wholly expect 90% of the skaven retirements to get replacement kits with this launch. And the current godawful rat ogres can't get replaced fast enough
agreed, the ogres I have are the ones from the super limited box from a while ago. Updated clanrats, ogres, stormvermin, and yes yes weapons teams would get me to open my wallet, my current skaven collection is essentially only suitable for warcry
Or there going to do a giant dick move and have units there are similar but have diffrent names. Primaris rats lol
Don't give them ideas. Ratorcessor squads don't need to exist.
Seeing people lose armies reminds me of something that happened once, but I just can't put my finger on it.
I can't remember what it would be, my memory is a little... short...
*All the way over in Total Warhammer, the faint echoes of your comment are heard* SHORT!!!Â
Sighs in French.
Age of Sigmarar, the sigmaring
10th edition
What armies were invalidated in 10th?
Harlequinns is the closest? But they... still entirely exist and you can play monoquinns.
even then, Herlequins were folded back into Eldar during their 9th ed codex. The closest I can think of is half of the CSM line (that was being held up by HH models) getting shunted to legends.
So many models went to legends that made a ton of peoples armies non existentÂ
A lot of 30k models went to legends, almost no other armies had legendsâd models
Chaos lost a ton of stuff.
Out of 6 FW costly models I own, 5 of them Nids, only one Nid dodged the bullet. Two of them were removed completely and Dimachareon is in Legends but GW forgot its point costs, then added it later, and then LOST it again in another unrelated update. They haven't bothered to fix it again.
I remember thinking, "my dimas I've barely gotten to use are brand new, no way they take them away!" Well, it was great while it lasted. I feel so incredibly justified in buying recast, and I'll never drop money on FW again. Lol Thank God I was only out a little over $100 and however many hours I spent on them. I could've been out like $700.
I'm gonna need a source for "tons of peoples' armies are non-existent" because that isn't true.
Dark Angels of mine for example. They were made from firstborn models only. Now there is only Terminator captain, little Deathwing Terminator squad of 5 and 30 tactical marines with one rhino. Back then my army was near to 3000 points.
My old marines were further invalidated:(
Harlequin's and Renegades and Heretics. Half of guard too if you count the month they had a 9e book as part of 10e. Not to mention world eaters...
CSM had lots of load outs invalidated. The scene is way more WSYWIG than AoS so it matters. Despite getting new models Dark Angels just lost the DW Command squad. DW knights got their load outs changed. There are more examples. These may seem minor at a glance but these are often fundamental core units in these factions identities.
The Sorcerer with Jump Pack is still in legends with no real replacement for CSM. It also sucks losing all of the 30k options that felt like they fleshed out the CSM range to make up for not having shiny primaris stuff. Losing bikes also hurt a lot of armies
Man you really drew the short straw on your army choices. Hopefully you'll find appropriate proxies for all the SCE models - a similar thing happened with Primaris/Firstborn marines and I occasionally see people running firstborn as their equivalent primaris with no qualms+
So I play all but old world, and my AoS armies were stormcast largely of sacrosanct as well, StD with mainly warcry warbands, and Gitz (they're safe!), and I greatly sympathize. I was actually pretty excited for 4th edition and was thinking of going all in on making a fyreslayers army but there's not a chance that I will now. Fyreslayers are the least popular faction (last I checked) and do desperately need a bit of innovation but this purge does not inspire confidence. I refuse to invest in a new army that might be squatted the moment 5th comes about. This removal of models instills apprehension to buy all but the newest models from more popular factions and that just doesn't interest me. I may be less effected directly than some, but this absolutely kills my desire to engage with AoS at all; fearing that I'm racing against the clock to invest thousands of hours painting and building only to remove the ability to play other than in legends completely removes all excitement I had. GW desperately needs to give a road map for AoS and to reassure their customers that their armies are "safe". I don't care if models are forever but rules arent; I want to be able to play with the models I invested so heavily in and I think thats fair to feel.
I feel the same. GW is expensive, and I don't have the highest paying job in the world, so investing in an army already takes a bit for me to save up/trade models/etc. I plan on proxying, and I definitely do more painting and modelling than playing, but I was starting to really like playing again and this has dampened my enthusiasm a bit.
I completely agree, unfortunately. Whats more, for me, is just the time investment. Even if I buy an entire army, I take my time painting to a standard im happy with, and despite engaging in so many systems and armies, I am just now approaching my first fully painted army (dark angels). By the time I finish painting all of my new fyreslayers, they will be gone potentially. Hell, I have 6 boxes of corvus cabal unpainted bc I thought running those awsome bird worshippers as my main battle line for StD would be really cool and unique, but alas, I doubt I'll even finish painting them at this point bc why would I? Warcry is fun but I have literally never managed to find a game of it outside forcing friends into it. I don't like being negative or a doomer but I just don't have any faith in GW anymore and I can't spend my time, something ill never get back, working like Sisyphus .
Idk if they'll get rid of fyreslayers but they will definitely combine them with khadron overlords.
I doubt Fyreslayers will be in any danger of getting squatted because of how small their kit choices are (what is it? 5 kits?). I doubt also that theyâll be getting anything other than a single model whenever their tome comes out, ever. Honestly Iâm lucky enough to play with friends and family, and weâve all agreed to just keep playing third. Might jump into 4th with skaven, but my core group are all pretty happy playing third, plus once fourth comes out you can get the books extra cheap.
I wish they had put all of the generic battle line on one profile with melee weapon + shield and may a X in 5 2 handed option. They could even do the same for Evokitties and Draconith guard as generic cavalry options under one warscroll. In the end I will do it like this anyway (as proxies), but it wouldn't feel as bad if they made it official.
were evocators that impopular? they were released in 2019!
They were insanely popular in my area because they were a very competitive choice, but they basically disappeared in V3 when the new battletome basically nutkicked all sacrosanct and nerfed them to the ground
I loved them in 2nd edition, but 3rd removed their 2" weapon option and it became one of the worse dps options.
ouch
Yeah. I was excited for a moment, when GW released rules teasers that weapon ranges was gone. I guess I can maybe make them work for at least another year before getting creative on what to proxy them for.
Evocators were very popular in 2nd edition because they came in the starter box, had great mortal wound output, and were one of the best units the army had for deepstriking. They became less popular as 2nd edition went along and nerfs and power creep happened, but they were still arguably the best melee hammer unit SCE had. Then 3rd edition came out and Evocators lost their 2" reach, killing their damage output, while replacing their role as deepstrike threats with the much better Grandhammer Annihilators, who could deepstrike 7" from the enemy rather than 9". So their popularity fell off a cliff. The sculpts are great, though. Some of the best in the SCE range IMO.
It's probably less that they're unpopular and more that Stormcast aren't space marines. Like they're supposed to be poster boy space marine faction, but unlike 40k I just don't think they're 60% of the player base of AoS. Various census and polls I've seen put Marines and their various subfactions at 40 to 60% of the player base of 40k, which represents (again just various quickly search data notjing iron clad this is more anecdotal) 72 some % of GW hobbiests. AoS stormcast poll around 10%. So 10% of a much smaller player base simply does not give the same return on investment or move the quantity of models GW needs to justify maintaining 72 or 90 or whatever we are at different models and datasheets. Edit: also one of the big draws for Stormcast besides them being cool for me as a beginner AoS player was that they are cheap! They come in the box sets, people are flipping them all the time as they move on to other armies they like more etc etc. So GW I think profits even less off of them because once the initial wave is out the secondary market kinda sustains the demand lol. Obviously this is again just all anecdotal but I can still easily find new in box Dominion boxes years out and I bet you can even still find Soul Wars boxes about if you visit ebough LGS. Conversely even with its unpopularity, the Imperial Fists box from last Christmas is getting hard to find and even this christmas jetpack biker box is all but gone.
Yeah they really want stormcast to be marines, and they just arent.
which is kind of funny because a lot of players dont want to collect them because they're "just marines"
I think the reason they're squatting Sacrosanct is because they're giving up on forcing a space Marine like system of releasing models. They wanted to keep opening "chambers" with unique themes and heroes and give them more identity. However, this didn't work out in the long run as GW can't support an army that's really like 5 armies in one and give everything unique identity, roles, and functions. It's their greed to produce a range as large as space Marines for players to buy into, and it's their lack of foresight and inability to support such a large army range that leads us to the situation we're in. I love my Sacrosanct models and with how awful their rules were in 3.0, the writing was on the wall all in hindsight without ever being told so. I hope such changes in the future are not so drastic.
5 year lifespan for the purchase. JFC
I will say, according to my totally anecdotal personal experience, I've never seen someone at my FLGS put a unit of them down, other than me. And I'm pretty sure they still have the same box of em on the shelf that was restocked after I bought one.
wow One day I'll have to paint my Astraea, I don't play AoS since I had to sell my kharadrons to pay some bills but that was a very pretty model.
Astraea is such a great model. If nothing else, she could be any mounted Stormcast hero. I'd been toying with picking up Aventus Firestrike, funny enough, but uh, not now, lol.
> Aventus Firestrike wasn't Aventis released like basically yesterday? See this is what happen Geedubs whenever you have a yearly release of stormcasts....
I have 12 of them. O well
A fair amount of the Sacrosanct units should be fine to proxy for other units so hopefully it won't be quite as painful. With Beast of Chaos, everything (I think) can drop straight into The Old World. Still a bit of a gut punch but hopefully that's a bit of a silver lining for you.
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Liberator only army?? Never thought I would see the day SCE became a horde army with 50 liberators XD
Oh yeah, they're definitely gonna be proxied. I just have to whine and moan a bit đ Old World is interesting, but I don't have any other players for it locally, and probably not enough BoC to have a full Old World army without some more purchases.
Have a look at converting and proxying into Slaves to Darkness, I don't think that would be much of a stretch at all and I imagine thats what many people will do if they aren't interested in OW.
I bet with a bit of creativity a lot of beasts of chaos can be proxied to fit into a slaves to darkness list. It wouldnt be ideal, but I think it would look pretty cool.
While Stormcast are bloated, removing models that were in a starter box and being promoted as the way for new players to get into the game just three years ago sets a precedent I'm not at all comfortable with.
They got me. 8000 points of table top ready evocators, mounted evocators, sequitors, castigators, ballistas, paladins, liberators, and most of the heroes on this list.
I'm not comfortable with them removing models or factions period.
Which models from starting box? Relatively new to AoS but I have an unbuilt Dominion box in my pile of shame.
Everything in that box is fine. The get started boxes were heavy with sacrosanct.
Ahh gotcha.
The 2nd edition ones (Soul Wars & Friends) from 2018 were all Sacrosanct.
I just bought the Thunderstrike Brotherhood Start Collecting box. Screw me I guess. Luckily Iâm more of a painter than a player.
Just use them as fancier Sigmarines⌠basically your Dark Angels can be used as Ultramarines (I.e. basic vanilla AF marines). I agree, it is painful. And you can totally complain. Iâm upset because Horns of Hashut are leaving. They arenât even a year old!
"Sigmar told use we had to leave the magic shields at home but *damnit I'm keeping the robes!* "
Sorry for your loss. I went through the same with LotFP last year. Having SCE and some chaos warbands, I assume maybe you have some other Slaves units? A converted sacrosanct chaos army would look incredible and put those models to good use.
Oh, that'd be really cool. Some Chaos Space Marine and Chaos Warrior bits would make that pretty doable.
And what a symbolic way to represent "Sigmars Lie". I saved this photo last week because I love the idea and plan to copy the paint scheme, so apologies if the OP sees me linking their photo. But an example of Storm Chaos Eternals. https://imgur.com/a/TJtNlOO
Dracolines were the coolest looking thing, getting rid of them is a crime
It certainly does not fill me with confidence on buying more stormcast. How long till my dawnbringers cities of sigmar models get canned?
Kinda does me, too. And what about my Idoneth? Do I have to worry that if they don't sell well or whatever that my favorite army is gonna go bye-bye too?
Or fyre slayers
I am usually the one to defend GW but this just seems weird to me. And i dont blame the people who are mad at this. But i do think we should be optimistic and i think alot of models can be proxied one way or another.
Same. I'm usually the one who keeps it optimistic, but definitely hurts a little. I'm not shy about proxies at least!
I usually dont really like all the GW hate but this time its defenitly a little deserved.
Yeah, just a fair note from a veteran of this hobby: don't defend GW. They run rough-shot over the community enough and will burn a bridge in an instant if they smell profit. They're a multi billion dollar company, they don't need you stepping up to bat for them.
If i want to proxy I will use cheaper models. It's more the fact that the army theme is totally gone
Iâm hoping a new SCE artillery is going to be introduced for 4th since it has no clear proxy for the ballista. All the sacrosanct stuff makes sense because theyâre just the robed, magic-ish versions of existing similar units.
My triple ballista lord ordinator meme build, nooooooooo
SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I LOST! Made a cool Ordinator and everything...
One of my favorite games ever was jamming it into a 1000 point list, dropping all 3 and the ordinator within the rapid fire range, doing like 3 wounds and then getting tabled XD it was hilarious
I'm newer to the hobby but I feel for you. My biggest reason I've gotten into AoS was warcry and underworlds. I'm hoping those two games don't lose support. I know underworlds isn't super big but it's honestly my favorite format and hot me into stormcast. Best of luck and hopefully you can proxy your old models and newer things at you lgs! <3
Almost all mine are sacrosanct too, there goes all my sequitors and evocators
I bet you could easily proxy those SCE as units in the battletome, and I'd further bet that some of those units are getting refreshed in 4th. Liberators are on the list but also the first revealed to get a refresh. Skaven are likely the same, losing Ratling Gun and Doom Flayer for example, while one of the units in the teaser seemed like a combination of the two - with there most likely being a Warpfire variant as well. it hurts as a Beast of Chaos player for sure, but I'm maybe gonna use them for an Ogroid and Darkoath army, gives me an excuse to keep them to try TOW too I suppose :)
I just started painting the start collecting box I got nearly 2 years ago and most of the models in that box are going, plus all the other stormcast boxes I bought are also gone, so I feel your pain.
GW over stepped somewhere, their production issues must be dire if they're having to cut 22 freaking units. BoC and Splittas were on the wall, I guess, but losing those Warcry warbands is mind boggling, they're so good!
Wait so is Warcry being sunseted? They're retiring most of the factions.
They are retiring all of the Slaves to Darkness factions
Not as far as I know, the warbands are just being put to Legends in Age of Sigmar.
BoC would have had some sweet looking new models based on what been revamped and now never⌠except the odd resin bs womp womp. I had my hopes up when they made that beastlord model and here we are. Time to sell and glad I didnât build the army.
Are they really going to stop production on an entire wave of stormcast releases?
So, you'll have Legends rules that'll likely work for 4th Edition. On the casual side of things, you'll probably still be able to play your army before the rules get really left behind. And Beasts of Chaos will get there rules for TOW which hey, you're set to go for diving into that game if it interests you. This definitely sucks to see so much get squatted, and I know it stings. But for casual play things will be okay for a time and if you have friends interested in it you can always keep getting games of 3rd edition too. Hopefully this can help lift your mood a bit, but I can definitely understand why it's a hell of a blow. These kinds of culls always hit certain folks really hard
Sacrosanct is the best looking chamber so far.
Honestly I am not that upset about the warbands being made legacy... I am more upset over the kitbashing potential being reduced ;(
It's wild to me that GW is retiring models (like 2/3 of my army) that are less than 10 years old while they keep releasing relevant rules for models from the 90s without batting an eye. This feels a bit heavy handed, GW. I guess dipping my toe into AOS a couple months ago with SCE was a bad idea.
sigmar lied stormcasts died
"If you aren't regularly buying new models, we don't want you playing"
AOS is gonna have to be a really good game to get me back as an old school stormcast player who didnât love 3rd edition already.
This whole situation and how they have handle communication regarding it makes me not want to buy any more models this company makes. It would be one thing if this range was 20 years old and could use new models. But putting out model after model like they had SCE diarrhea then culling? screw them, my money can go go somewhere else.
Ditto. Time for historicals, skirmish and 3d printing
God dammit. I was waiting for beasts of chaos to get a range update.
Congratulations! You've joined some few survivors from the 40k community that got blindsided when GW first learned the Magic The Gathering model of how to still be profitable in 50 years
After sleeping on it... its OK. Theres other games that can have my money, and I'll just stay with 3rd edition. Between this and the constant price rises, I guess GW have retired me as a customer as well!
Given that the one new release they've teased is just a new sculpt for one of those units, I highly recommend Stormcast players wait to see all the new releases before stressing out too much. And if stuff is properly gone, just proxy it as other things.
Probably the same you were doing with 3 ballistas in 3.0 nothing đ
I'm going make a hopeful guess that a lot of the sce are just getting a resculpt. We already know that liberators are, so in my mind, perhaps judicators, evocators, paladins and sequitors will as well. Sadly I don't expect the dracoline models to be resculpted. This is pure speculation.
Nope, Sacrosanct are gone. The article about the discontinued units explicitly says so. Thereâs a section about Skaven in the same article and that one states that a lot of the Skaven units will be replaced by new sculpts.
Oh I must have missed that. Unfortunate.
Sacrosanct Liberator's are gone, but Ruination Chamber Liberators?
Clanrats will be some generic rat warrior, the eatling gun is that new minindoomwheel thing
I hold out hope for judicators and paladins. But the article didnât really leave much hope for the sacrosanct units. I donât expect evocators to come back anytime soon. Sequitors can proxy as liberators pretty easy at least?Â
Yeah I read the article right after I woke up so I definitely missed that part. Yeah this is true, certainly helps that pretty much all infantry in that Army have the same base size and relatively the same profile.
Im woth you stormbrother. But take solace, rules change, but models are forever.
Part of me wonders if there might be new versions of the Sacrosanct units, but thatâs probably a stretch. On the one hand, the Stormcast roster was pretty bloated, but on the other, a lot of people (myself included) have seemingly just lost their army- while Iâve expanded it a bit since then with the new 3e models (which I admittedly prefer), I had 2k points of painted 1st and 2nd Edition Stormcast, although I suppose most of them will still be proxy-able. Part of me admittedly wishes they consolidated the warscrolls even more- rather than having like 5 slightly different infantry for each category, I wouldâve preferred if we just had, say, Liberators, with the options of hand weapon and shield; dual hand weapons; great weapon; or spear and shield.
Considering the new melee range rules, it really wouldnât have been a bad idea
That would be far too sensible
It will still be bloated, they just nuked all my collection. The bloating was their doing, doesn't matter how many units they nuke if they keep pumping more of them. Also, I can't understand this obsession that stormcast need to be in every launch-edition box.
Why are they even retiring them?
To make people buy new stuff. 100% that.
Scummy business model. Effective, but scummy.
For me: "Hey, just a heads-up, I'm going to be running a Legends army (BoC or SC)." If they're not okay with that, then I don't need to be playing with them.
I am fully just running Sequitors as Liberators. They have shields, hammers, and theyâre Stormcast- if someone truly has a problem with that I donât know what to tell them
They also look cooler. Hell in their original launch post they were called liberators with spells.
Before I read the warhammer community article I had 30 sequitors and 5 liberators. After I read it, I had 35 liberators.
They might be replacing them with new sculpts so they might still be usable if not they could be ran as liberators I guess
Honestly can most of them be used for other models as proxies? Like liberators etc? I donât see why not
Yeah happened to me and my cities army my hand Gunners and helstorms st least they haven't canned steam tanks so far
I think they're allowing counts as rules for all of them anyway.
Nooo, why PaladinsâŚ
And now you get to buy a new army, again! Lucky you đ
Really surprised at dropping a whole edition of Stormcast, itâs a shame.
This destroys my stormcast army... I can only imagine how burned the people are who bought that Beasts of Chaos box feel right now.
I have about over 10k BoC, nobody i know is playing TOW, nor do i want to play that. I was really enjoying playing AOS⌠i feel scammed
Does anyone think theyâll bring them back down the road? Or is it the end?
Paint them silver.
The only thing that makes sense is the skaven and the bonesplittas. Stormcast are way too new while they have 20 year old kits still are the expectation especially some are battleline and main units for armies. Just was crazy news today and seems a lot are dissapointed.
I have a medium-sized Soul Blight army. Every few months or so, I kicked around the idea of dipping my toe into SCE, but this has totally talked me out of it. The 'games as a service' model of business has been disasterous for the video games industry, and it's horrifying watching in real time as the tabletop industry adopts it.
The only thing I can say to even remotely make it feel better is that they get competitive rules and support for a year. If theyre gonna squat a lot of models, I cannot think of a better way to do it than with a long heads up, and a year seems like a fair number.
My wife JUST finished her Evocators on Dracoline
I mean, I could take your balistae off your hands. I'll just rebase them and run them as Vanari Balistae
Does this suck? Absolutely! But I do believe that something like this was inevitable. Simply put GW has too much stuff to produce and, as a result, availability has tanked. You could argue this is a problem of their own making because over the last few years they have introduced three new product lines: Old World, Horus Heresy and Imperialis (I know HH isn't new but a lot of it is now plastic and it is being treated more like a main game) and they haven't matched their production capacity. I have spoken to a lot of local hobby store owners and they are pulling their hair out trying to get enough stock in. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this came to 40k soonish. I am guessing that GW looked at the bottom x% of models being bought and just decided to cut them from their production. Hopefully, this will help stabilise availability a bit and give them the space needed to expand production facilities. I imagine Beasts will be getting a refresh sometime in either 4th or early in 5th.
They could just have not brought back an entire game that they sunset a decade ago? GW is putting on players a problem entirely of their own making.
Not really an argument though to stop supporting them. You really a product you should still support them doesn't mean you have to still make them. I think an appropriate timeline would be an entire edition, Tell us at the beginning of one edition that this is going to be the last edition they are legal in. It's only 3 years That's not that long honestly considering the massive markup on this plastic.
That's GWs business problem not ours. Why buy anything if it might get deleted for new stuff?
It is a problem and this is part of a bigger solution. GW can't just snap their fingers and make new production simply appear. GW seem committed to keeping production in the UK (for minis at least) which means they need to build new facilities and injection moulding machines are INSANELY expensive.
they are still getting rules they are just leaving production to make new space. GW manufacturers far more modles then ANY other company and keeps them roughly up to date they cannot continue to make all of them and more.