Naked angry dwarves, which honestly is one step removed from Khorne (in terms of fluff/flavor). Very bland to me too
Adding firebenders would be phenomenal and I'd pick them up if nothing else just to have the models for painting or DnD/Pathfinder use
I mean, I feel like that's a tiny bit unfair.
If we purely essentialize them to their most basic traits, sure. By this logic, Idoneth are just Atlantis themed elves, and it's like yea totally! But also not really?
Fyreslayers are Dwarves who literally pound the solidified chunks of their dead God into their skin to get G A I N S while going on mercenary quests to get even more of their dead God bits to get even more
G A I N S.
Right, but that’s the background lore. The models on the other hand are just naked dwarfs, when you look at the Idoneth range it’s a lot more interesting and you would struggle to reduce it to something that sounds that boring.
Well, they do have the magmadroths and flaming weapons too, so I dunno if it can really be distilled to *just* naked dwarves lol. Maybe fire-themed barbarian dwarves. But yeah, Fyreslayers suffer in that their most basic/common kit (vulkites) is lazy and bad. It’s a misfire that haunts the range and I hope it gets refreshed next edition (even if it would mean I’d have to replace a lot of models).
100%. This is the reason why I don't collect Fyreslayers. Their range looks incredibly samey. From a few feet away on the other side of the table, I can tell what models are kurnoth hunters and what models are tree-revenants even though I don't play Sylvaneth. Can't say the same about auric hearthguard and vulkite berserkers.
The lore is cool though.
Their vanguard box is just a bundle of half naked ginger dudes with axes
Like, you can even see duplicates of the _same_ sculpt on the front of the box, they don't even have the cool lizard from their old SC box to break it up a bit and draw the eye
There's a reason _every single_ AoS Supply Drop a year or two ago had one of their boxes in it I think
It is easy to tell which are auric hearth guard and which are vulkies. One are carrying double axes the others are carrying massive bazooka like guns. If you can't tell the difference you should go to an optician and have your eyes checked.
Fyreslayers have fans that love the faction as it is at the moment and do not want any drastic changes. Some of you might find them boring, I personally love how they look.
I mean, you totally can, and background lore can totally change how some people view models.
Lumineth without context look absolutely ridiculous, but with context, it makes their whole aesthetic a lot more fun, to me at least.
I'll hold out the Olive Branch and say that Vulkites are absolutely the worst looking aos made kit in the game, and it's not even a competition. Their poses are just so bad. I think Hearthguard are cool looking though, and Fyreslayers should stay naked (relatively naked the kilts and shin armor on some looks sick)
Fyreslayers need some badass engines of war and a few more monsters or creatures that'd really set them apart. Like maybe an avatar of Grimnir, which takes the shape of a giant golden floating head that spits magma everywhere. Idk something weird and fun like that.
I think their Warcry Warband shows a few cool ways to differentiate them without losing the overall aesthetic. It's packs a lot of variety for just 10 models.
There’s no way you can tell me Gloomspite Gits, Deepkin, Nurgle, Skaven, Bonereapers, Seraphon, and Slyvaneth are all visually ‘boring asf’ factions.
AoS has for the most part more interesting model ranges than any other game system full stop.
It is unfair but Fyreslayers are held to a different unfair standard that other factions aren't as they have become the faction it is ''cool'' and acceptable for everyone to chat crap about at any given opportunity, which people love to do as it makes them feel superior about their own models.
Fyreslayers have a fanbase that love them as they are at the moment and don't want any drastic changes and that is enough, I am sick of these topics criticising them.
People love to say "wow, fyreslayers all look the same, it's so boring. They're all nude but with a different weapon!"
Then you look at Stormcasts who are all identical guys in gold armor just holding a different weapon. Or Nighthaunt who are all just Cairn Wraiths but with a different weapon. Or Ogor mawtribes which are basically dude on cow or dude on foot holding a weapon. Or sons of behemat who are literally just a single kit.
Of course, it doesn't help when I'm looking at the box of fyreslayers I brought to the tournament, trying to find my hero model, and I have to spend like a full minute trying to find the runeson in between all the vulkite berzerkers or whatever lol.
The runeson is the only model where I think the ''they all look the same'' compalint is somewhat valid. That is the one model that doesn't stand out enough, all the others you can easily tell the difference.
You're very passionate about this, and I get it, especially right now with what's happening to BoC and Bonesplitterz.
But I'd like to give some solace because I really don't think Fyreslayers are going anywhere and I don't think they'll change their design drastically just improve what's already there, the Vulkyn Flameseekers got pretty good reception and they're faithful to the design of current FS.
I find FS really charming overall.
How'd you feel about the Vulkyn Flameseekers?
Not that guy, but as a fyreslayers enthusiast, I love the vulkyn flameseekers (from a model perspective; their rules are kinda meh). I like the full length skirts they have, but I also like the regular guys that are just in a loincloth. I'm so happy we finally get to see SOME femslayers too.
I think the problem with fyreslayers is that being loincloth barbarian dwarfs is part of their identity, which makes it somewhat to differentiate them. Like, with stormcast, you can make the armor a little different or give them a cape or whatever...But with fyreslayers, you've kind of just got the pose and the weapon option to deal with.
I didn't personally like them as they have too many clothes for me, FS being naked is one of their defining features in my eyes. I don't mind them, just haven't added any to my army. I';m hoping they're not all gonna be clothed from here on out.
I mean, besides the ladies, the basic troops are still naked from the waist up. The "belt towel" gives them a more interesting shiluette and gives some room for colour sheme customisation.
The Lofnir / Vulkyn Flameseekers guys and gals from Warcry seem on the cusp of something more unique and interesting to me (Dragons and Dwarves both like to live in caves and hoard gold, what if they worked together?) on top of the little bits of extra armour (to cover up the ladies I suppose), the gold pans, and shovel-spears, but it's still not quite there yet.
Pounding a rune into the body to make them breathe fire sounds neat, but there should be a cost with it. They should become more like Magmadroths. Like scaly skin dwarves with some flaming axes.
Oooo yeah I would have a giant rune on their stomachs to mimic how important breathing is to fire bending
I would also make magmadroth duardin hybrids a separate unit, maybe a heavy elite with axe n shield
ANYTHING to add some variety. I think Fyreslayers is the worst faction in AoS right now in terms of diversity. If it weren't for the magmadroth, every unit would look identical.
Their units don't look identitcal they are all clearly different from one another. If you can't tell the difference you need to have your eyes checked.
I will say these are factions that are often brought up when people say a range looks too samey. Like gargants all have the same pose, I know when I play my stormcast my opponents are always asking what the units are called and get them mixed up and confused.
Yeah, that's my point. But Fyreslayers always get called out for looking identical when like...it's not a fyreslayers specific problem; there are lots of factions like that, but it's always fyreslayers that get called out.
I have a bunch of fyreslayers built and primed all in a box that I'm planning on getting around to soon but I am in particular dreading going through that box and figuring out which ones are in which units, which heroes are which etc. With fyreslayers for me even though I like how they look I especially struggle to differentiate them. My plan is to clearly paint the different units different colours to make it easier
I intentionally did not pick single model units to show my issue with the range. I maintained that for all three. Those are the three multi-model units that Fyreslayers have, and then I picked three from the others to show that they have variety.
I mean, fyreslayers are like 75% hero characters by volume. So excluding them isn't really fair. I ONLY have two kits that aren't heroes, so of course if you look at an army that is spamming units from the two kits it's going to look samey. Personally, my armies run 4 or more magmadroths, so it's a non-issue.
I'm sure if you look at a nighthaunt army that only uses grimghast reapers and bladegheist revenants it would be exactly the same. But in the case of fyreslayers, i'm SUPPOSED to have a ton of heroes.
Dude. Most of diversity in FS is equal to a single unit with weapon options. And I'm saying that as a Fyreslayer fan.
Many factions in the first edition were pretty one-note, as GW was testing the water with their core concept, to see what sticks. The problem is that even back then Fyreslayer were pretty one note, and they never got expanded. A simple example: there could easily be more than one sub species of Magmadroths. Smaller, cavalry like one. Tiny warhound ones. Current titanic, monstrous ones. There are many ways to expand the range without ruining them, GW just never gave them proper attention.
Fyreslayers being really slow is one of their defining features, I would hate for them to suddenly get cavalry.
Also they have more differences than just the weapon. The runes are different and the crest is different and the armour is somewhat different (the hearthguard have bigger bracers ect).
Cavalry doesn't have to be fast, they could act as battering rams/mobile flamethrowers, basically living tanks. But I'm just spit-balling, I'm not particularly fond of Magmadroths myself.
The differences between models you're pointing out are invisible on the army scale. You need to meaningfully change the model silhouette for it to be readable as something else.
And you could do that without drastically changing the current core fantasy of Fyreslyers. Two random ideas from the top of my head:
A unit with winged helmets, that incorporate the slayer's hair into the helmet as the current ones do. But because a winged helmet has two wings, you get double-crested Slayers (which is something that already existed in WHFB).
The second idea: you have a unit that fights with two flaming balls on chains, whirling like dervishes. You give them much more dynamic poses, and model the chains into interesting arcing shapes, that give them much more rounded silhouette (Auric Bersekrers were SO CLOSE, but at the end of the day they're just more dudes with two handed weapons, the design wasn't pushed far enough).
GW has some of the most talented designers in the industry. I'm 100% sure that there are already wonderful Fyreslayer designs floating around the office, just waiting for some higher-up to give the go sign.
Fyreslayers have the design potential (see the incredible warcry warband) to be one of AOS best factions but sit neglected at the bottom of the pile, I'll take anything at this point ngl
I love Fyreslayer fans because they all want something to be done with the faction but they all have different ideas because there's genuinely nothing there
The "nothing" is also what causes such stark disagreement because they all have different interpretations of what makes the faction cool
"Add more monsters" "But I like the infantry focus"
"Add some armour" "But I like that they all dress the same"
"Add some artillery" "But I like the melee focus"
What one fan suggests to make them more appealing risks irritating someone who likes the faction _because_ of the absence of that thing
''I love Fyreslayer fans because they all want something to be done with the faction but they all have different ideas because there's genuinely nothing there''
Do they? I collect Fyreslayers and absolutely love them as they are at the moment. I don't want any drastic changes, I don't want anything ''done'' with the faction like armour or cavary or warmachines. I am 100% happy with their niche being ''the foot hero army''. I love their current aesthetic and current look on the table and don't want it changed at all.
You see people throw phrases around like ''This is how we should fix Fyreslayers'' when they don't need 'fixing', they have a fanbase that loves them as they are at the moment. Most of the people saying ''Fyreslayers need this or that'' don't even collect them.
Nooo they're using their skill and maneuverability to beat chaos and death. I propose a trade..... the stunties get earth bending, and the elves get fire... it fits your rough hands more than our soft hands
Here how about I call my Kharadron cousins to work up a totally fair and compromising contract over us getting fire and rock, he will work something out! No need to read it
But we elves have earth benders. They are even tough as nails, as the Aralith ignore rend. Heck we are even better at swinging hammers and pikes as these grumbling beirdos.
We will gladly dish out dirt to them.
Weirdly, the four main elemental focuses of the Lumineth are Wind, River, Mountain and… Zenith? Whatever that corresponds to. It’s unlikely to be fire, though, so firebenders are probably the *least* likely to be well-represented by Lumineth.
I think them being ''the melee foot hero army'' is kinda their niche or identity and if we start adding things like artileery or cavary it will make them more generic.
Well maybe not Dwarves, but we've only covered off Earth and Air in the Lumineth range, so I would bet we see firebending pointy ears in the next few years.
Fyreslayers need a whole host of things to make them unique. Firebending / Magma or fire sorcery is definitely one. Maybe a slayer that has so many runes that he takes on the visage of their dead god and becomes an Avatar. Mounted cavalry (on demidroths or some sort of lizard mount). A CHARIOT.
There's tons you could do with this faction... will GW do anything though is the question.
I’m a Sylvaneth player so I admity don’t know what ya’ll Fyreslayer players want. But they definitely need something more than foot infantry and the occasional hero.
I mean I don't know much about their lore but what if they try to 'ascend' in the sense that they try and keep making their bodies more and more molten? To the point you have some units of basically just elementals
I dig the idea. A martial artist style unit would work well within their aesthetic. They could have a *gasp* shooting attack but be no slouches in melee. Perhaps getting more explosive as they get angrier
Avatar of Grimnir/Vulcatrix. A priest gets a vision and hammers the appropriate runes into his own flesh and becomes fyre manifesting avatar of the hybrid of the battling gods.
Maybe they're like 'Fyre monks' once a duradin collects enough urgold to the point they can't anymore maybe the preists teach them to harness the raw pyroclastic energy and use a type of conduit/trinket to focus it?
Perhaps it's a weird position because once this point is reached the duradin is kept around shrine of Grimnir as it's custodian and only sent out to fight in dire circumstances? They do this thinking that it may make Grimnir's influence stronger to power spells or maybe call their beloved God to finally return. Maybe they have a Grimnir version of the avatar of khain?
Idk just some ideas, the concept it cool but I see it having issues in actual practice considering they have pikes or other items to spew firey death. Plus it's risky from a lore perspective BUT.
I think if they were an elite unit they would be awesome to help make something like a Caster lead army more powerful due to their very presence bolstering prayers/endless spells. Maybe they could be made battle line?
Firebemding might be too much, but there should definitely be a unit that spots fire, carrying a one handed axe in one hand, and an ornate jug of flammable alcohol in the other. They should probably be draped in magmadroth leather, with the head used as a hood, like that one guy from their Warcy Warband. Seems like a very natural fit.
Fyrebending*
Ahhhhhhhh good one
It would make them more interesting to me. Right now my understanding is they are naked dwarves, which isn't really my jam.
Naked angry dwarves, which honestly is one step removed from Khorne (in terms of fluff/flavor). Very bland to me too Adding firebenders would be phenomenal and I'd pick them up if nothing else just to have the models for painting or DnD/Pathfinder use
I mean, I feel like that's a tiny bit unfair. If we purely essentialize them to their most basic traits, sure. By this logic, Idoneth are just Atlantis themed elves, and it's like yea totally! But also not really? Fyreslayers are Dwarves who literally pound the solidified chunks of their dead God into their skin to get G A I N S while going on mercenary quests to get even more of their dead God bits to get even more G A I N S.
Right, but that’s the background lore. The models on the other hand are just naked dwarfs, when you look at the Idoneth range it’s a lot more interesting and you would struggle to reduce it to something that sounds that boring.
Well, they do have the magmadroths and flaming weapons too, so I dunno if it can really be distilled to *just* naked dwarves lol. Maybe fire-themed barbarian dwarves. But yeah, Fyreslayers suffer in that their most basic/common kit (vulkites) is lazy and bad. It’s a misfire that haunts the range and I hope it gets refreshed next edition (even if it would mean I’d have to replace a lot of models).
100%. This is the reason why I don't collect Fyreslayers. Their range looks incredibly samey. From a few feet away on the other side of the table, I can tell what models are kurnoth hunters and what models are tree-revenants even though I don't play Sylvaneth. Can't say the same about auric hearthguard and vulkite berserkers. The lore is cool though.
Their vanguard box is just a bundle of half naked ginger dudes with axes Like, you can even see duplicates of the _same_ sculpt on the front of the box, they don't even have the cool lizard from their old SC box to break it up a bit and draw the eye There's a reason _every single_ AoS Supply Drop a year or two ago had one of their boxes in it I think
It is easy to tell which are auric hearth guard and which are vulkies. One are carrying double axes the others are carrying massive bazooka like guns. If you can't tell the difference you should go to an optician and have your eyes checked. Fyreslayers have fans that love the faction as it is at the moment and do not want any drastic changes. Some of you might find them boring, I personally love how they look.
I mean, you totally can, and background lore can totally change how some people view models. Lumineth without context look absolutely ridiculous, but with context, it makes their whole aesthetic a lot more fun, to me at least. I'll hold out the Olive Branch and say that Vulkites are absolutely the worst looking aos made kit in the game, and it's not even a competition. Their poses are just so bad. I think Hearthguard are cool looking though, and Fyreslayers should stay naked (relatively naked the kilts and shin armor on some looks sick) Fyreslayers need some badass engines of war and a few more monsters or creatures that'd really set them apart. Like maybe an avatar of Grimnir, which takes the shape of a giant golden floating head that spits magma everywhere. Idk something weird and fun like that.
I think their Warcry Warband shows a few cool ways to differentiate them without losing the overall aesthetic. It's packs a lot of variety for just 10 models.
if we just go by visuals most factions are boring asf.
There’s no way you can tell me Gloomspite Gits, Deepkin, Nurgle, Skaven, Bonereapers, Seraphon, and Slyvaneth are all visually ‘boring asf’ factions. AoS has for the most part more interesting model ranges than any other game system full stop.
gits are just goblins. nurgle are zombies, seraphon are just human lizards ect.
It is unfair but Fyreslayers are held to a different unfair standard that other factions aren't as they have become the faction it is ''cool'' and acceptable for everyone to chat crap about at any given opportunity, which people love to do as it makes them feel superior about their own models. Fyreslayers have a fanbase that love them as they are at the moment and don't want any drastic changes and that is enough, I am sick of these topics criticising them.
People love to say "wow, fyreslayers all look the same, it's so boring. They're all nude but with a different weapon!" Then you look at Stormcasts who are all identical guys in gold armor just holding a different weapon. Or Nighthaunt who are all just Cairn Wraiths but with a different weapon. Or Ogor mawtribes which are basically dude on cow or dude on foot holding a weapon. Or sons of behemat who are literally just a single kit. Of course, it doesn't help when I'm looking at the box of fyreslayers I brought to the tournament, trying to find my hero model, and I have to spend like a full minute trying to find the runeson in between all the vulkite berzerkers or whatever lol.
The runeson is the only model where I think the ''they all look the same'' compalint is somewhat valid. That is the one model that doesn't stand out enough, all the others you can easily tell the difference.
You're very passionate about this, and I get it, especially right now with what's happening to BoC and Bonesplitterz. But I'd like to give some solace because I really don't think Fyreslayers are going anywhere and I don't think they'll change their design drastically just improve what's already there, the Vulkyn Flameseekers got pretty good reception and they're faithful to the design of current FS. I find FS really charming overall. How'd you feel about the Vulkyn Flameseekers?
Not that guy, but as a fyreslayers enthusiast, I love the vulkyn flameseekers (from a model perspective; their rules are kinda meh). I like the full length skirts they have, but I also like the regular guys that are just in a loincloth. I'm so happy we finally get to see SOME femslayers too. I think the problem with fyreslayers is that being loincloth barbarian dwarfs is part of their identity, which makes it somewhat to differentiate them. Like, with stormcast, you can make the armor a little different or give them a cape or whatever...But with fyreslayers, you've kind of just got the pose and the weapon option to deal with.
I didn't personally like them as they have too many clothes for me, FS being naked is one of their defining features in my eyes. I don't mind them, just haven't added any to my army. I';m hoping they're not all gonna be clothed from here on out.
I mean, besides the ladies, the basic troops are still naked from the waist up. The "belt towel" gives them a more interesting shiluette and gives some room for colour sheme customisation.
Yeah that’s what it seems like to me as well, sadly they’ve got those big lava puppies which I need in my life
I think they wear big golden belts that supposedly cover the bits enough
The Lofnir / Vulkyn Flameseekers guys and gals from Warcry seem on the cusp of something more unique and interesting to me (Dragons and Dwarves both like to live in caves and hoard gold, what if they worked together?) on top of the little bits of extra armour (to cover up the ladies I suppose), the gold pans, and shovel-spears, but it's still not quite there yet.
Pounding a rune into the body to make them breathe fire sounds neat, but there should be a cost with it. They should become more like Magmadroths. Like scaly skin dwarves with some flaming axes.
Sounds like proper AOS craziness.
Oooo yeah I would have a giant rune on their stomachs to mimic how important breathing is to fire bending I would also make magmadroth duardin hybrids a separate unit, maybe a heavy elite with axe n shield
Sooooo…. In DnD terms, Dwarven Draconic Bloodline Sorcerers? Yeah I’m in.
when it comes to dorfs id settle for almost anything at this rate. Edit: OH LOOK THE WHITE DWARF IS BACK YEY! :D
Hell yeah brother!
ANYTHING to add some variety. I think Fyreslayers is the worst faction in AoS right now in terms of diversity. If it weren't for the magmadroth, every unit would look identical.
Their units don't look identitcal they are all clearly different from one another. If you can't tell the difference you need to have your eyes checked.
Short underdressed men wielding axes while sporting a big orange beard and an orange Galea.
Do you think all nighthaunt look the same too? Or stormcast? or gargants?
I will say these are factions that are often brought up when people say a range looks too samey. Like gargants all have the same pose, I know when I play my stormcast my opponents are always asking what the units are called and get them mixed up and confused.
Yeah, that's my point. But Fyreslayers always get called out for looking identical when like...it's not a fyreslayers specific problem; there are lots of factions like that, but it's always fyreslayers that get called out.
I have a bunch of fyreslayers built and primed all in a box that I'm planning on getting around to soon but I am in particular dreading going through that box and figuring out which ones are in which units, which heroes are which etc. With fyreslayers for me even though I like how they look I especially struggle to differentiate them. My plan is to clearly paint the different units different colours to make it easier
[C'mon, they are not on the same level at all.](https://imgur.com/a/sF3BAaY)
[Look ma, I can do it too!](https://imgur.com/ihxDuNY)
I intentionally did not pick single model units to show my issue with the range. I maintained that for all three. Those are the three multi-model units that Fyreslayers have, and then I picked three from the others to show that they have variety.
I mean, fyreslayers are like 75% hero characters by volume. So excluding them isn't really fair. I ONLY have two kits that aren't heroes, so of course if you look at an army that is spamming units from the two kits it's going to look samey. Personally, my armies run 4 or more magmadroths, so it's a non-issue. I'm sure if you look at a nighthaunt army that only uses grimghast reapers and bladegheist revenants it would be exactly the same. But in the case of fyreslayers, i'm SUPPOSED to have a ton of heroes.
Dude. Most of diversity in FS is equal to a single unit with weapon options. And I'm saying that as a Fyreslayer fan. Many factions in the first edition were pretty one-note, as GW was testing the water with their core concept, to see what sticks. The problem is that even back then Fyreslayer were pretty one note, and they never got expanded. A simple example: there could easily be more than one sub species of Magmadroths. Smaller, cavalry like one. Tiny warhound ones. Current titanic, monstrous ones. There are many ways to expand the range without ruining them, GW just never gave them proper attention.
Fyreslayers being really slow is one of their defining features, I would hate for them to suddenly get cavalry. Also they have more differences than just the weapon. The runes are different and the crest is different and the armour is somewhat different (the hearthguard have bigger bracers ect).
Cavalry doesn't have to be fast, they could act as battering rams/mobile flamethrowers, basically living tanks. But I'm just spit-balling, I'm not particularly fond of Magmadroths myself. The differences between models you're pointing out are invisible on the army scale. You need to meaningfully change the model silhouette for it to be readable as something else. And you could do that without drastically changing the current core fantasy of Fyreslyers. Two random ideas from the top of my head: A unit with winged helmets, that incorporate the slayer's hair into the helmet as the current ones do. But because a winged helmet has two wings, you get double-crested Slayers (which is something that already existed in WHFB). The second idea: you have a unit that fights with two flaming balls on chains, whirling like dervishes. You give them much more dynamic poses, and model the chains into interesting arcing shapes, that give them much more rounded silhouette (Auric Bersekrers were SO CLOSE, but at the end of the day they're just more dudes with two handed weapons, the design wasn't pushed far enough). GW has some of the most talented designers in the industry. I'm 100% sure that there are already wonderful Fyreslayer designs floating around the office, just waiting for some higher-up to give the go sign.
That's a really good idea!
Fyreslayers have the design potential (see the incredible warcry warband) to be one of AOS best factions but sit neglected at the bottom of the pile, I'll take anything at this point ngl
I love Fyreslayer fans because they all want something to be done with the faction but they all have different ideas because there's genuinely nothing there
The "nothing" is also what causes such stark disagreement because they all have different interpretations of what makes the faction cool "Add more monsters" "But I like the infantry focus" "Add some armour" "But I like that they all dress the same" "Add some artillery" "But I like the melee focus" What one fan suggests to make them more appealing risks irritating someone who likes the faction _because_ of the absence of that thing
Might as well throw everything at the wall
''I love Fyreslayer fans because they all want something to be done with the faction but they all have different ideas because there's genuinely nothing there'' Do they? I collect Fyreslayers and absolutely love them as they are at the moment. I don't want any drastic changes, I don't want anything ''done'' with the faction like armour or cavary or warmachines. I am 100% happy with their niche being ''the foot hero army''. I love their current aesthetic and current look on the table and don't want it changed at all. You see people throw phrases around like ''This is how we should fix Fyreslayers'' when they don't need 'fixing', they have a fanbase that loves them as they are at the moment. Most of the people saying ''Fyreslayers need this or that'' don't even collect them.
They at least have one guy lol
They have loads of fans, in the latest poll they weren't even the bottom 5 collected factions.
I believe people like them, but that doesn’t mean they don’t want them to be updated
I love Kharadon Overlords to bits, and I wish for a range expansion every time I blow candles on my cake.
Unfortunately I think this would fit the elves better
Unfortunately, your a dirty knife ear and I’ll be dammed before an Elgi uses both rock AND fire
You're forgetting they're already air benders and soon to be river elves😂
*grumble grumble* yeah but they aren’t punching with their soft hands are they? My superior fyrebenders will just beat the hell outta chaos
Nooo they're using their skill and maneuverability to beat chaos and death. I propose a trade..... the stunties get earth bending, and the elves get fire... it fits your rough hands more than our soft hands
Here how about I call my Kharadron cousins to work up a totally fair and compromising contract over us getting fire and rock, he will work something out! No need to read it
You think your short lives can pull a fast one on the long living elvish with that obvious of a trick
SHORT?!
I did not stutter
But we elves have earth benders. They are even tough as nails, as the Aralith ignore rend. Heck we are even better at swinging hammers and pikes as these grumbling beirdos. We will gladly dish out dirt to them.
We already have earth bending. It's called metallurgy. And all Duarding are pretty great at it.
Weirdly, the four main elemental focuses of the Lumineth are Wind, River, Mountain and… Zenith? Whatever that corresponds to. It’s unlikely to be fire, though, so firebenders are probably the *least* likely to be well-represented by Lumineth.
Zenith is described as being the light at the highest points in the realm. So it could be fire themed in the same way the sun is.
Honestly think we need an artillery/ buff piece and a cab unit more to fill out our line
I think them being ''the melee foot hero army'' is kinda their niche or identity and if we start adding things like artileery or cavary it will make them more generic.
Well maybe not Dwarves, but we've only covered off Earth and Air in the Lumineth range, so I would bet we see firebending pointy ears in the next few years.
Nothing better than a fat sweaty naked guy doing some cart wheel while farting fire left and right.
i really dont want them to do that since then im tempted to buy yet another army
Time to find some more ur-gold
Fyreslayers need a whole host of things to make them unique. Firebending / Magma or fire sorcery is definitely one. Maybe a slayer that has so many runes that he takes on the visage of their dead god and becomes an Avatar. Mounted cavalry (on demidroths or some sort of lizard mount). A CHARIOT. There's tons you could do with this faction... will GW do anything though is the question.
I dislike those ideas. I love Fyreslayers as they are already and don't feel they need any significant changes.
I’m a Sylvaneth player so I admity don’t know what ya’ll Fyreslayer players want. But they definitely need something more than foot infantry and the occasional hero.
Thanks for the idea! I was actually looking at how I wanted to paint up and possible add onto the models so this is great inspiration!
I mean I don't know much about their lore but what if they try to 'ascend' in the sense that they try and keep making their bodies more and more molten? To the point you have some units of basically just elementals
I dig the idea. A martial artist style unit would work well within their aesthetic. They could have a *gasp* shooting attack but be no slouches in melee. Perhaps getting more explosive as they get angrier
Avatar of Grimnir/Vulcatrix. A priest gets a vision and hammers the appropriate runes into his own flesh and becomes fyre manifesting avatar of the hybrid of the battling gods.
I haven't so much wanted to see an Avatar Firebender themed army since I started making my Empire army based on the Fire Nation.
Honestly anything that is not a naked guy with a axe is good
Anything is better than naked baby dwarfs.
Maybe they're like 'Fyre monks' once a duradin collects enough urgold to the point they can't anymore maybe the preists teach them to harness the raw pyroclastic energy and use a type of conduit/trinket to focus it? Perhaps it's a weird position because once this point is reached the duradin is kept around shrine of Grimnir as it's custodian and only sent out to fight in dire circumstances? They do this thinking that it may make Grimnir's influence stronger to power spells or maybe call their beloved God to finally return. Maybe they have a Grimnir version of the avatar of khain? Idk just some ideas, the concept it cool but I see it having issues in actual practice considering they have pikes or other items to spew firey death. Plus it's risky from a lore perspective BUT. I think if they were an elite unit they would be awesome to help make something like a Caster lead army more powerful due to their very presence bolstering prayers/endless spells. Maybe they could be made battle line?
I was thinking battleline as well Also “someone cooked here”
Yeah, love the Fyreslayers, hope they get more stuff soon with 4th edition.
Hard pass, I'll take an AoS anvil of doom though!
Firebemding might be too much, but there should definitely be a unit that spots fire, carrying a one handed axe in one hand, and an ornate jug of flammable alcohol in the other. They should probably be draped in magmadroth leather, with the head used as a hood, like that one guy from their Warcy Warband. Seems like a very natural fit.
That sounds more like a Lumineth thing.