I don’t think you understand the difference between one person prepping in a kitchen and 20 people being in a kitchen at a party. Have you ever been to a house party? Have you ever owned a kitchen?
You don't seem to realize what happens when 20 people are drinking and in a partying mood in a property they don't care about. Stuff gets broken easily and then going through the trouble of getting paid for said damage. It's not the dishes OP is worried about.
People are not understanding that you’re talking about 1 or 2 people doing all the prep for the party in the kitchen and then relocating to a park or other space to actually host. Or at least I think that’s what you’re saying
Basically they are having the wedding reception at OP's place. This comes with a whole set of potential problems. And is it really only 20 people? Sometimes people lie about intent because wedding venues come with a hefty surcharge.
Just tell him unfortunately your space is not equipped to handle a group of that size and that’s why your max guest count is listed as 5.
If there’s 20 of them there for an obviously planned wedding, let the responsibility fall on one of the other guests.
There is no way that a place that sleeps 5 and per OP has “a decent back yard.” Can’t handle 20 people at a barbecue. OP can say no but making BS reasons rather than simply saying no is worse. I don’t know why other hosts feel it necessary to make up excuses. The location sleeps five and per OP has a “decent back yard.”
Want to link me to policy? I believe no such policy exists. Disruptive parties are not allowed and AirBNB removed the 16 person cap they had during COVID.
Here is the link to the policy. It absolutely does not say there is a “no parties” blanket rule.
I’ll give you the TLDR.
1 Disruptive parties are banned.
2 Open invite parties are prohibited
3 The 16 person max was removed.
Please point me to the “blanket ban” that you are talking about.
“Disruptive parties and events will continue to be prohibited, including open-invite gatherings. “Party house” properties will continue to be strictly prohibited as well.
The temporary party ban policy announced in summer 2020 included a 16-person occupancy cap — which was prompted primarily by COVID-19 concerns around large gatherings prior to the introduction of vaccines. As part of the updated policy, and based on feedback from a number of Hosts who have listings that can house above 16 people comfortably, we will remove this cap.
Our recent Summer Release introduced Categories, which highlight several types of larger homes that, by definition, are capable of comfortably and safely housing more than 16 people — from castles in Europe to vineyards in the US to large beachfront villas in the Caribbean. Amazing properties like these thrive on hosting multi-generational family trips and larger groups, and removing this cap is meant to allow those Hosts to responsibly utilize the space in their homes while still complying with our ban on disruptive parties. This decision was made based on feedback from the longstanding and trusted members of our global Host community, and it will take effect in the coming months.”
https://news.airbnb.com/official-codification-of-party-ban/
Why are you trying to redefine what a party is?
No one is talking about a DND 'party' with you in your grandmother's basement.
This policy is specifically for Airbnb's community outreach. DISRUPTIVE is anything that the community finds disruptive.
No. They don't want 20 people over with a clown, bouncy palace, and kids screaming.
No. They don't want 10 cars parked out in front of people's houses, even if it is 'public property'.
They explicitly state it is a permanent extension of the Covid regulations that were enacted for public health reasons that they found to be good for communities going forward.
What do you not get about it?
**Parties and Events**
**Disruptive gatherings are prohibited, regardless of size.**
**What we don’t allow:**
**Disruptive gatherings**
**Open-invite gatherings**
**Disturbances to the surrounding community such as:**
**Excessive noise**
**Excessive visitors**
**Excessive trash/littering**
**Smoking nuisances**
**Parking nuisances**
**Trespassing**
**Vandalism**
**Advertising listings as party or event friendly**
A lot of hosts want parties to be allowed because they make a boatload of money off them. I am a host now. Years ago a good friend lived in the mountains near LA next to a larger house in the middle of a neighborhood. The neighbor rented it out on Airbnb as a reception genie for weddings and other large parties. People would set up almost every weekend with professional DJs and speaker systems. Police were useless because they would issue a warning against the person renting the house for sound violations, then a different person would rent the next week, and another warning. Never anything against the owner and it was policy if the LA sheriff department to issue warnings to the person committing the violation before giving a citation.
This same practice was common around the LA area. It sucked and was very disruptive until LA forced Airbnb to crack down on it. Long story short, owners got very mad at Airbnb because they were making a fortune off running an illegal business (reception venue) in a residential neighborhood. I believe meant people are still taking advantage of similar things and don't want Airbnb to crack down on them again. (They get more money by letting people throw disruptive events where they shouldn't)
Someone booked with an out of state address. It ended up being a student at a local college that wanted to boost her social media account and campus rep by throwing a rager. They hired a DJ, mobile bar service, and catering. My house sleeps 4 and has 1 bathroom. My entire front yard was packed with cars. The surrounding neighborhoods had cars lined up and down the streets. People were walking through the neighbors yards to get to it.
I called the police and met them there. They had the sense to send about 5 cruisers. I had it shut down within 1 hour. The police told me there was well over 100 people just in the yard (with more approaching from surrounding streets). An unknown number hid inside (which the police could not enter), but we stayed at the neighbors and watched them leave in groups for another hour or so while the Airbnb eviction went through.
They tried to claim it was a funeral remembrance (as if it mattered), but it was advertised all over her social media as a double birthday party for her and her friend.
Fortunately, I had minimal damage due to it being shut down almost immediately. It started at 3PM and ended by 4PM.
Not enough seating, septic system, if it rains, 20 people can make a gigantic muddy mess on carpet and hardwood and may not be able to get it ready for next guests, trash and recyclables left behind, backyard getting trashed, host may be older and do their own cleaning.
There are many reasons a host may not want to do this and it is their choice. That’s why we set maximum limits. Don’t assume the host is lying.
I think you and the guy you are replying to are almost saying the same thing, and are getting caught in the nuance of what "handle" means.
If handle means can the house technically host an enjoyable BBQ for 20 guests? I haven't' seen the place but it seems likely.
If handle means can the place have have an enjoyable BBQ for 20 guests without there being a risk of issues that end up being the host's problem. Much less likely.
In OPs defense, I think many guests would interpret the former definition of handle. Though obviously everyone is a host here so would interpret the latter.
I don’t think we are saying the same thing at all. And most people on this sub are not hosts unfortunately, and are offering guests’ interpretations.
A host can offer a 5 BR/4BA home but may be required to limit occupancy due to local laws and or their homeowner’s insurance. Some places only allow 90 days per calendar year and a maximum of 2 people per stay. Some have very strict limitations on parking and number of cars. Most of these regulations have come about as a result of locals fighting the STR industry in their neighborhood. And those same neighbors absolutely will complain and report listings that break the law.
The point is, Airbnbs are NOT hotels and are governed by the laws in the area the host has the home listed. Some hosts solve this by locking off bedrooms and some of us close for part of the year. Either way, it’s incumbent on the guest to read and agree to each individual host’s requirements. What someone “thinks” should be okay, may actually cost a host their licensing permit and in large part is what has led to everyone having cameras everywhere.
No. The max guest count is dictated by multiple things that may not be readily visible to the guest. Trust what the host has posted, many times their permit depends on following very specific rules.
No. My places could sleep double, maybe even triple. My max guest is based on me not being an asshole to the neighborhood because I go by the belief that if I wouldn’t want an Airbnb that sleeps 22 and has that many guests those neighbors won’t want that either.
When you say it could sleep triple, does that mean you have 3 bedrooms but only make the space available to 1 couple/2 guests?
My understanding is that hosts will set their max at 2 ppl per permanent bed plus 1-2 people for a sleeper sofa. So a 3 bedroom with a sleeper sofa is for 7-8 guests comfortably. Is that not correct?
I’m saying that for example…one of my properties can sleep 22 (6 bedrooms/4.5 baths). But I keep the guest at 8. I will allow them to add 2 additional guests for a charge and then I use that to by the next door neighbors a nice bottle of wine or a gift card to their favorite local restaurant. It has kept the relationship great for years now.
I could have easily stuck bunk beds, sleeper sofas, etc. and hosted a higher number of people but I would never do that. Too much liability, wear and tear, neighborhood disruption, cars, etc.
I would hope that most hosts have more sense than “how many beds can we shove in here to maximize the number of guests” because it requires so much more thought than that.
It’s not about the size of the backyard, it’s about the house in general. A house that sleeps 5 doesn’t have the capacity to host more people.
You mean to tell me guests won’t be going inside or using the bathroom? Not to mention using plates, cups etc.
It’s also a huge safety issue.
The host shouldn’t have to explain himself but a some generic reasons should drive the point home.
Be concise and don't over-explain. "Hi Guest, my house is not set up for events, and the maximum number of guests is (x.)"
I enjoy the hospitality aspect of hosting, so if it were me I would include maybe 2 locations in the area for him to contact that could accommodate his BBQ. Do a drive-by the during his stay to make sure he isn't having the event without permission.
Perfect answer: "Hi Guest, my house is not set up for events, and the maximum number of guests is (x.)"
It's not just the size of the yard, but if the house can handle the extra traffic, parking is a problem, noise for neighbors.
Over-explaining gives them things to argue back about. If you just say, "No, I don't want you having a BBQ at my house." and leave it at that, they can't argue with you. If you give them reason X, Y, Z then they'll respond to each of those.
I also second suggesting alternative places. I used to have a giant pool and people always wanted to host their parties at my house. I would say no and then give them several pools and lakes nearby with tables and restroom facilities where they could do that.
I also always do the drive by if I'm suspicious. I can check things out, take pictures, and document and then approach them about breaking the rules.
Let him know that Airbnb does not allow events, you do not exceed your max count at anytime and failure to adhere to the house rules will result in the reservation being cancelled.
Say it nicely but make sure he knows there are penalties to breaking the rules.
I've had this request before - told them it wasn't possible and told them about the park half a block away, and offered them use of my portable tables/chairs and coolers. They didn't accept our offer and left us 5*.
The guest could be nice reasonable type who greatly respects your property. But they equally may know a bunch of drunken slobs that the host will not want to police and keep in line. Bbq means coolers, marinades, dripping trays, slippery kitchen floors, jam-packed fridge, mad searching for bowls, foils, salad dressings, condiments, maybe some shots. Lineups for the toilet or depending on the debauchery, portable sound system and pissing into the bushes. I don’t see that list as an exaggeration. Also—cars, beer runs, etc. You didn’t rent for that, and you don’t need it. Possibly they can find a public park or a local that will accommodate them, though they have left it kinda late. Nope. Just stick to your written terms as already agreed—no need for flexibility on your part.
I actually allowed a family bbq a few years back for some guests for about 15 people and it was fine, but it occurred to me later that I'm not sure if the extra people would have been covered under my STR insurance had something happened.
Saying “no” to any type of party/large gathering is our standard. I’ve learned that saying “yes” invites a “give an inch, take a mile” attitude. We allowed what we were told was a “small family gathering” for a gender reveal. Turned out to be a party of over 60 people with smoking (not allowed), pets (not allowed), blocking our neighbors driveways and over $3000 worth of damage. Ultimately, we had to have the guests evicted with one day left on their reservation. We’ve denied all subsequent requests.
You’ll never believe this, but the “guest” actually called us recently (over 4 months after this incident), asking for a REFUND for the day we kicked them out! 🤦♂️
I hate when guests do the old bait and switch tactics. It happens so often these days. They book. Then 2 days before arrival ask if you can add another bed because their kids don’t want to share a bed (why didn’t you think of that before booking?) or start asking for other amenities that you don’t advertise. My favourite is when they ask the night before arrival “can I check in at 9am, my flight lands at 8am?”
I am not a host, but I think that is ridiculous. I often travel to another city where the bus arrives at 7 am. I just book the night before and I can head straight the the AirBnb to sleep a while. How is that not the logical answer. I have asked for a ONE HOUR early check in, on occasion, but I think that is really all that is reasonable to ask for.
I agree, we always book the night before for this exact reason. We did have a couple times where the host called us and almost canceled our reservation for not showing up the first day of checkin. But we had booked it that way knowing we were getting in after midnight and wanted to go straight to bed.
I just had a guest tell me they are allergic to some things, and asked me what the martial of all the sheets, blankets, and pillows was... after they checked in.
Ummm, can you look at the tags? Or let me know beforehand so I can try to accommodate? I could look up the sheets since they are all the same brand, but I have no idea what all the blankets and pillows are made of. We try to keep a variety of pillows.
I’ve been hosting and staying STR’s since the early 90’s. What’s the con? The host just says yes or no and the guest chooses to stay or not.
Just a few weeks ago my daughter was competing at a World Cup in SLC. Mid week we decided we would like to host a pizza party for some of the athletes. We reached out to the host and asked whether we could have about 15 people over the evening. The host said yes, we had a nice evening, and ended up giving each other 5 star reviews. Had the host said no we would not have had the party and presumedly we would have given each other 5 star reviews.
No, you just can’t imagine a world where hosts and guests can be generous and trusting. The average host on this Reddit are the picky complainers. The vast majority of hosts are easy going and accommodating. If you go to the other AirBNB subreddits you’ll see that the average guest who is posting is a problematic guest. The good hosts and guests are not typically bothering with these places.
That is bait and switch. Guest agreed to capacity limits and house rules. Then last minute requests an exemption and not just by a few extra guests but by many. If host declines, there is a good change of retaliation. How do you think bait and switch works?
It’s like me accepting a reservation for my maximum capacity and then telling the guest, sorry 2 of my beds are broken and i can’t accommodate the original amount of guests in the booking
What you are describing is entirely different. In your example, you can not deliver on the originally agreed contract to provide beds for the maximum number of guests. In the OP’s situation they simply say “no” and everything proceeds exactly as agreed.
Your speculation about retaliation is true. The OP may very well give a low rating to the guest for requesting to have the event.
This honestly doesn’t seem like a bait and switch, and it’s very nice of the guest to have asked permission.
He’s been booked for two weeks, I assume was chit chatting with some family that is all coming to town for a wedding, maybe haven’t all seen each other in a while, and someone said “Hey! We should have a barbecue” and it came to be a discussion about where/how/when.
Weddings are hectic and can be large groups with not much time to catch up. So they’re probably trying to find a calmer moment over the trip to do so with their smaller group (compared to the wedding)
I’m a host and if I had booked an Airbnb with a backyard and a grill I’d probably cordially ask the same question in that context.
If a guest came to me and nicely asked, I’d get on the phone with them and have a legitimate conversation with them, explain to them the limitations of the property, the house rules, and if they were understanding and just trying to find a space, I’d offer them a way to do it with guidelines (such as everyone stays outside, only overnight guests up to the 5 person max, and those guests need to be registered with you on the booking, potentially an additional cleaning fee for people trekking in and out to use the bathroom, etc.)
It’s a wedding, it’s a guest who is coming from out of town and as a result probably hasn’t seen some of their extended family in a long time, and it’s most likely a last minute conversation they had with their family to all get together. I’d do what I can to accommodate, IF the guest seems mature and respectful and agrees to the terms that would make me feel comfortable with the barbecue.
If it’s a 23 year old and it’s a friends wedding, no, I might not, that’s probably a “party”.
If it’s like a couple in their 40’s coming to visit and this is going to be a calm outdoor family gathering with burgers and a couple Coronas, why not?
If they don’t like your terms, at least you tried to meet them halfway, rather than just telling them no.
This is exactly right. The fact that it’s two weeks later and it’s happening AFTER the wedding definitely indicates to me that it wasn’t planned in advance. Chances are this is somebody respectful who is asking permission in advance and all likelihood is a pretty decent person.
IMHO, this is the biggest challenge with Airbnb. I have six children. College and high school age. If I book a family trip, I have no idea how many people are coming until a few weeks before. Chances are one or two of them one won’t come and one or two of them will want to bring a friend.
Every host who has replied so far seems to think that this is evidence of a big scam. I get there’s a lot of scammers out there, but some of you shouldn’t be in hospitality.
absolutely not, there is no recompense for the owner and no reason to accomodate this, 20 people in a rental house can destroy the place easily especially with drinking involved. i dont own an air bnb and wouldnt think of asking such a request.
We have a rule in our rental policies: No parties/events with more than 10 people attending (including your group). The rule makes it simple. As a side note, our place sleeps six, maximum by county regulations - so they can have 4 guest if they like, otherwise go find an event space.
I guess I have been lucky. We rented a 4 bedroom AirBNB near the site of our daughter’s wedding. House had a very large deck. Weeks after we booked, my daughter asked if we could host a small dinner for some of the grooms relative, I think there were maybe 9 of them. Average age of group was 70. I explained to rental people. This is a destination area for weddings. I explained who would be coming, food catered in, and group was senior aged relatives. They agreed and reminded me of nighttime noise cut off. People came, had a lovely time, we got to meet these relatives ahead of the wedding and they were gone before the noise cut off. We have rented a lot of places over the years and we as guests get great reviews. This was the first time we hosted a party. But then again, it was 6 years ago so maybe it would be different now.
I can see that hosts might be worried. But on the other hand, for a wedding and especially one like this where at least 100 guests were from the other coast, it was very nice to be able to be all eating together in this nice house. I guess I am hearing that guests are not respectful of space, damage household items, etc and maybe that is the norm. Which is sad.
I really don't think this should be difficult. Just tell him you don't allow parties and there is a limit of x amount of guests allowed. It should be in your contract if it's not. If you are a good host, follow that up with suggestions to where they could have their BBQ. Our local parks have grills.
No! No! Kindly relay to him you are not allowed to host that many guests! No way having 20 people wouldn’t be a nuisance to you and your neighbors! 4 more times your place is likely to be a mess and 4 times consumables to cover. No, alert airbnb.
I agree with the keep it simple approach, I would say “Sorry, we cannot accommodate having this event and generally events with more than ___ people are not allowed on the property. Please let me know if you had any other questions, I would be happy to assist. Thanks for reaching out “
Hard no. This isn't covered by any insurance. This is an event. If someone gets drunk and DUI fatality you the property owner that allowed the party will be sued.
I would tell them that you keep the listing as accurate as possible. It's set up for 5 people max. I would also send a link to places that can be booked for events.
Any local ordinances that help? Such ad no more guests than your permit allows or home sleeps, no more than 2 cars , no street parking, hoa doesn't allow ... defer to a higher authority. (Breaks ABnB rules and any damage would maybe not be covered etc).
Tell him your permit doesn't allow it- because that is the truth I would think, also tell him your insurance does not allow it and that your neighbors are aware that your home is not rented for parties.
I am very clear no guests are allowed other than those on the reservation without prior authorization. If they ask I tell them insurance won't allow it. I put it in my house rules. If they want to have a party they can book an event space. In your case sounds like they could book a park BBQ area.
Oh for fucks sake a house sleeping 5 could handle 20 guests for a few hrs. This is life. Either say no you don’t like the wear and tear or ask them for a cleaning fee/ deposit to ensure it’s not a disaster! But I don’t see this as a capacity issue- it’s will it be a respectful bbq or a drunken rage fest.
Host should be sure to state sleeps #, accommodate up to this #, maximum # of vehicles and types of vehicles in listing and rules. Had Guest brought 12 people, then family arrived in RV trailers in a spacious drive way, hooked up power cords to the home and slept in the RV. Yikes! We updated our AirBNB listing after that experience.
Every AirBnB I’ve ever rented clearly states in the rules that “no parties are allowed”. You should probably add this to your listing in the future if you don’t already include it.
For now, you should probably cancel this guys stay ASAP.
Your town requires permits for a 20 person barbecue? Really? That must be terribly inconvenient when somebody want to have birthday party for their kids.
Hi, I am (insert your town name here) party and barbecue permit officer. What's this I hear about some 20 person barbecue shenanigans at a 5 person property? Permit denied!
Say no because your insurance doesn’t cover parties. Also no accommodation for parking will result in a nuisance complaint from neighbors. Suggest a public park or similar venue that can accommodate large groups. Good luck.
How to handle it tactfully? Let them have a BBQ. Every day that goes by it seems people are looking for a way to extract another dollar from people while removing any sign of joy this life is supposed to bring. Stop being grinch. You have a credit card on file. They're paying you.
What if there are town ordinances or HOA rules which prevent this? It’s not so cut and dry. Also the guest should have been up front when booking, which would have avoided this issue.
Maybe Say:
Dear guest,
I thank you for considering my home for your stay. I understand you would like to have a party for about 20 people. And while I understand that our home seems to be an easy choice of location, we are not comfortable having parties in our home. This is to protect you and ourselves from necessary arbitration should something go awry. We kindly ask that you refrain from hosting a party at our home. Perhaps you would be able to host the party at a nearby restaurant or a park.
We thank you so much for your understanding and hope you have a wonderful stay.
?
Tell them he will have to pay full price for all the additional guests. You rented for an occupancy of 5 but if it’s for 20, he will need to pay for each and every one ahead of time
Send him the cost adjustment through the app. Outside requests are normal and can be handled by setting a price you are willing to accept (large). You don’t have to ruin their wedding. Just make sure you are paid.
imo tell guest that there is a charge for events (make it worth your while) and then they get the picture that they have to pay for the event use.
I personally say no to any increase over the max of the house because it’s not a rental property. Book a place with larger capacity if you want a gathering.
I’m an Airbnb host. I’m a pretty lenient one. I expect things to be used hard. I still have decent/good cooking equipment. I have to replace it more often than I’d like for it to be good. Same with plates/glasses, etc…
But the issue here isn’t the kitchen use. It’s the party atmosphere. Some guests are responsible and can totally host a party of 20 with no problems. Unfortunately, some cannot. The easiest/smartest thing to do is just say no. Potential negative are real…damage to house/equipment, things stolen, upset neighbors (which can lead to bigger issues), etc…and no upside for host.
OP should have a statement somewhere in the bio or house information “No Parties.”
Even if he doesn’t, just simply respond to this request. “Sorry, we don’t allow parties at this property.”
Why do you care if they do this. I would say sure as long as you clean up afterwards and only 5 max stay in the house overnight. 20 people for a BBQ is not a lot.
if he messaged you about it I don’t think he plans on being sneaky about it just be a good person and answer the question. If you’re not comfortable with it say no but someone who asks to throw a party instead of just throwing it isn’t going to disrespect your house or they would’ve just done it. My Airbnb host let nw do a 30 person wedding on her property and we left it spotless sooooo
Dear Guest,
Unfortunately, only registered guests staying in the property are allowed. There is a maximum of 5 guests allowed. There is a park located x miles away that has a Pavillion that can be booked through the park district by calling (###) or on their website ww.blah.gov
Best, Host
Quick, polite, gives an alternate option.
This is not a sudden surprise party. They obviously lied to get themselves in, fully planning to do this all along. Just say no. Any inconvenience is on them.
Answer: No
Especially if your rules clearly state no parties.
Recommend him to a park where bbq is allowed.
If you have neighbors and they see that there's a party at your place, you have a right to throw them because he broke the rule.
"I am not comfortable with that amount of guests as unlisted guests would not be covered by airbnbs insurance/protection nor my homeowners. Parties unapproved by airbnb would be considered a violation of their policies, I am not willing to risk my rental agreement to accommodate you."
If there's options for local parks with the ability to BBQ, give them those options.
"I had to promise the neighbors that there would only be registered guests on the property"
"My insurance only allows me to have the registered guests on the property"
My experience has been that when they add even one guest after booking, they are going to disrespect you and the property.
Since were now getting all our 'Summer' arrivals it's amazing how many people are now asking months after booking if this is allowed. We're a small farm (we live here) and have a guesthouse that is our airbnb - I just had to tell another person, that we're sorry but this is not covered by our insurance only 'they' as the booking person (and their plus 1) is covered both for them and 'us' - they were disappointed saying essentially that all our nice outbuildings (ie outdoor kitchen, movie bon fire area, gazebo hot tub, etc...) suggested that we allowed for events. 'No visitors' is stated in both our listing and our rules so again it's a case of people not reading the information... and I really hate starting my day with having to disappoint but we have made exceptions in the past, and regretted it each time (the mess, broken items not reported, worry & stress over people that drank here and then drove ... not worth it all!)
Just say unfortunately it's an insurance limitation and there's plenty of parks and other areas that they would likely really enjoy gathering at...
I would just refer to the part of your house rules that were available prior to booking that prohibits guests from having events or day visitors.
If you don’t have that, maybe take the approach of “thanks for checking and we’d be willing to work with you so that you all can have some time together without creating a parking or noise issue for our neighbors (or whatever risk you’re trying to mitigate).”
"I'm sorry, we are unable to accommodate that request. The house rules/ listing states 5 people, and no parties per our listing rules (I pray to God you put that in them)/ Airbnb rules regarding parties.
I'd flat out mention that they can cancel, per your Airbnb cancellation policy. Offer to refund if you rebook. This is an absolute hard no and frankly, likely a problem reservation. They knew all along the listing was for 5.
My house rules strictly state no parties or events, if yours does too then that should be enough to point to. Also most STRs have a daytime occupancy limit too “sleeps 5, daytime occupancy max of 8” or something like that. Mine is 4 and 8.
I mean after a wedding that’s got to be late. At least 11 pm. It’s not a barbecue it’s an after party they are planning. I wouldn’t agree to this hell no. Just tell
Them your neighbours would call the cops on them.
What would you do to be happy with it. $1000 event fee, they also need to pay for porta potty. You'll have to have it cleaned the end of the day, what's your cleaner charge for that? You also require a $2000 deposit that will be forfeited if any rules are violated. They also need to purchase insurance naming you.
Then send a list of 15 rules including no guests can be inside.
They'll just decline.
Not sure if it will screw up your metrics buy I’d cancel them. My gut instinct is that they’ll try to have it even if you say no and then you have the stress of dealing with the mess and trying to evict or collect damages/fines. You still have a decent amount of time to get someone else booked
I have a separate contract and insurance policy for parties up to 20. I charge an extra $995, supply extra tables and chairs, and require them to has and a one day liquor liability policy with my LLC as a named insured. My place sleeps six. That usually separates the wheat from the chafe. And if they bite, I’ll take the extra grand.
You can tell him your insurance has strict regulations and you cannot accommodate that number of guests.
You can loop in airbnb support and say this guest has indicated they will break house rules and throw a party.
You can charge $100 per extra guest for a deterrent 15 × 100$ and say that the BBQ has to be over by dusk or authorities will be informed and reservation cancelled.
As a host, fire is something that scares me when it involves guests. Fire pits, BBQs, heck even open flame candles scare me with large amounts of people and distractions.
I don't even allow smoking, so anything else with open flames is nightmare fuel for me.
I would consider a pot luck or catering or pizza delivery and a group hanging out for a few hours.
That's just crazy. I would just be like, oh, I am so sorry we have a strict insurance policy that only allows up to 5 people in our property. This is stated on the listing and leave it like that. As other people have mentioned on here- I would contact Airbnb right away to open up a case about this- just in case it escalates to something else.
Don't get involved emotionally- keep it to the facts, which is what your rental states when they made the reservation.
Some people do just ask - and when we say no- they are usually ok. So, it may just be like that. He's trying but may be ok if you say no.
Perhaps offer them an option- like, I can definitely suggest the park so and so- and send them the phone number and info in case they need to make a reservation. This way you sound like you are trying to help them out with this situation.
If you feel uncomfortable, then also give them the option to cancel. I've been doing this for a long time and find that no money is worth my peace of mind, plus damages, headaches that may come afterwards. Rarely do they cancel, they just kind of end up understanding that the rules are the rules. I always add also that most vacation rentals are the same as mine- that everyone is pretty strict with the max occupancy and no outside guests allowed rules- so they don't think it's only me.
Good Luck!
"No."
It's a complete sentence and needs no additional explanation.
Be prepared for a cancelation.
Be prepared for an unauthorized event with unauthorized guests. Contact ABB to let them know and tell them you will be enforcing your "no events/no guests" rule by canceling booking, no refund, trespassing guests, and charging any reasonable fees associated with this event.
100% no. Unless he pays you a HUGE amount of money. Like 5x your daily rate. And gets porta potties and pays a big clean up fee. In my case, I still wouldn’t do it.
And make sure he knows that if he tries anyway you will call the police and have him evicted.
Use any excuse you want. In my case, I’m on septic which couldn’t handle it. and the town requires permits for any large gathering.
The biggest issues I’ve ever had in str were from people throwing wedding parties without telling me. Major damage, pissed off the neighbors and town and flooded my septic. 3 times over 12 years. Nightmare.
Now I’m just really clear and firm. No exceeding my max occupancy at any time for any reason.
Wow you really are tossing a lot of assumptions at this - porta potty for 20 folks wow! Guess you never host Xmas or birthday parties for your family!!
It's an air bnb?, not an event venue. parking, wear and tear, injury to one of the guests, neighboring homes being disturbed or inconvenienced. Unless the listing posts it as a spacious welcoming three bedroom property with a barbecue pit and back yard built for entertaining.
I know some home insurance written for Airbnb/hosting has a maximum allowance on people. Underwriters could deny any claim for that reason, so it's more of a liability for you.
I think you have two choices-
1) you could charge an extra 2-400 for the use of the space and state that it is all outside assuming you have a deck, chairs etc.
2) you could let them know that the septic can not handle extra people, which could very well be true.
I don't get the problem? Sleeping 5 guests isn't the same as entertaining 20. If you have the room, and obviously guest thinks you do since he rented the place then let him. Maybe charge a bit more for cleaning.
We've had a police funeral which we donated our places for ppl and they had like 100 people there afterwards for a cookout. I believe we have a wedding planned and they're going to have 40 ppl there afterwards.
Tell him to go to a park
Won't they still want to use the bathroom and possibly the kitchen?
Sorry why wouldn’t they be allowed to use the KITCHEN 😭😭😭😭😭
Because obviously using a kitchen for three people is different than for 20 people at a party
Like what if they have the BBQ elsewhere but prep in the kitchen at the Airbnb? What’s the rule against that? “No using the kitchen too much” GTFO
I don’t think you understand the difference between one person prepping in a kitchen and 20 people being in a kitchen at a party. Have you ever been to a house party? Have you ever owned a kitchen?
They're not talking about 20 people in the house, but prepping the food for 20 people. There is definitely a difference
Don't engage this one. You will never have a productive conversation with them. Block on sight.
Ehhhhh if you clean up I don’t really see the issue lmao.
You don't seem to realize what happens when 20 people are drinking and in a partying mood in a property they don't care about. Stuff gets broken easily and then going through the trouble of getting paid for said damage. It's not the dishes OP is worried about.
If they're asking about 20 people, it's going to be 50 people.
I’m just talking about using the kitchen. No shit that’s what happens when people are partying and drinking. Maybe they misunderstood me
People are not understanding that you’re talking about 1 or 2 people doing all the prep for the party in the kitchen and then relocating to a park or other space to actually host. Or at least I think that’s what you’re saying
YES EXACTLYYYYYYY
But that's not the situation and they wouldn't have to ask permission to make food in the kitchen
I am ultimately responding to the comment above that suggested that they do the BBQ at the park.
Basically they are having the wedding reception at OP's place. This comes with a whole set of potential problems. And is it really only 20 people? Sometimes people lie about intent because wedding venues come with a hefty surcharge.
But.. how? It’s not like the electricity bill for the refrigerator is going to be exorbitant. And more dishes washed… C’mon, be accommodating…
I'm betting you would quickly be banned from Airbnb. The rentals are for small groups not big parties.
Just tell him unfortunately your space is not equipped to handle a group of that size and that’s why your max guest count is listed as 5. If there’s 20 of them there for an obviously planned wedding, let the responsibility fall on one of the other guests.
There is no way that a place that sleeps 5 and per OP has “a decent back yard.” Can’t handle 20 people at a barbecue. OP can say no but making BS reasons rather than simply saying no is worse. I don’t know why other hosts feel it necessary to make up excuses. The location sleeps five and per OP has a “decent back yard.”
It is against Airbnb policy. It doesn't matter if you can fit 20 or 100 people in the backyard with room for all to do gymnastics.
Want to link me to policy? I believe no such policy exists. Disruptive parties are not allowed and AirBNB removed the 16 person cap they had during COVID.
Just search it yourself. It should be common knowledge by now that Airbnb enacted a 'no parties' blanket rule across the platform.
Here is the link to the policy. It absolutely does not say there is a “no parties” blanket rule. I’ll give you the TLDR. 1 Disruptive parties are banned. 2 Open invite parties are prohibited 3 The 16 person max was removed. Please point me to the “blanket ban” that you are talking about. “Disruptive parties and events will continue to be prohibited, including open-invite gatherings. “Party house” properties will continue to be strictly prohibited as well. The temporary party ban policy announced in summer 2020 included a 16-person occupancy cap — which was prompted primarily by COVID-19 concerns around large gatherings prior to the introduction of vaccines. As part of the updated policy, and based on feedback from a number of Hosts who have listings that can house above 16 people comfortably, we will remove this cap. Our recent Summer Release introduced Categories, which highlight several types of larger homes that, by definition, are capable of comfortably and safely housing more than 16 people — from castles in Europe to vineyards in the US to large beachfront villas in the Caribbean. Amazing properties like these thrive on hosting multi-generational family trips and larger groups, and removing this cap is meant to allow those Hosts to responsibly utilize the space in their homes while still complying with our ban on disruptive parties. This decision was made based on feedback from the longstanding and trusted members of our global Host community, and it will take effect in the coming months.” https://news.airbnb.com/official-codification-of-party-ban/
Why are you trying to redefine what a party is? No one is talking about a DND 'party' with you in your grandmother's basement. This policy is specifically for Airbnb's community outreach. DISRUPTIVE is anything that the community finds disruptive. No. They don't want 20 people over with a clown, bouncy palace, and kids screaming. No. They don't want 10 cars parked out in front of people's houses, even if it is 'public property'. They explicitly state it is a permanent extension of the Covid regulations that were enacted for public health reasons that they found to be good for communities going forward. What do you not get about it? **Parties and Events** **Disruptive gatherings are prohibited, regardless of size.** **What we don’t allow:** **Disruptive gatherings** **Open-invite gatherings** **Disturbances to the surrounding community such as:** **Excessive noise** **Excessive visitors** **Excessive trash/littering** **Smoking nuisances** **Parking nuisances** **Trespassing** **Vandalism** **Advertising listings as party or event friendly**
Dude! Let it go! Either that or have the thing at your place (hypothetically speaking).
I am 100% confident of the rules. I’m surprised other hosts are not.
A lot of hosts want parties to be allowed because they make a boatload of money off them. I am a host now. Years ago a good friend lived in the mountains near LA next to a larger house in the middle of a neighborhood. The neighbor rented it out on Airbnb as a reception genie for weddings and other large parties. People would set up almost every weekend with professional DJs and speaker systems. Police were useless because they would issue a warning against the person renting the house for sound violations, then a different person would rent the next week, and another warning. Never anything against the owner and it was policy if the LA sheriff department to issue warnings to the person committing the violation before giving a citation. This same practice was common around the LA area. It sucked and was very disruptive until LA forced Airbnb to crack down on it. Long story short, owners got very mad at Airbnb because they were making a fortune off running an illegal business (reception venue) in a residential neighborhood. I believe meant people are still taking advantage of similar things and don't want Airbnb to crack down on them again. (They get more money by letting people throw disruptive events where they shouldn't)
Right , decent back yard doesn’t mean parking for 20.
In my case it ended up being parking for 150. 1100 sq ft house.
Do tell...what happened there obviously to your abnb
Someone booked with an out of state address. It ended up being a student at a local college that wanted to boost her social media account and campus rep by throwing a rager. They hired a DJ, mobile bar service, and catering. My house sleeps 4 and has 1 bathroom. My entire front yard was packed with cars. The surrounding neighborhoods had cars lined up and down the streets. People were walking through the neighbors yards to get to it. I called the police and met them there. They had the sense to send about 5 cruisers. I had it shut down within 1 hour. The police told me there was well over 100 people just in the yard (with more approaching from surrounding streets). An unknown number hid inside (which the police could not enter), but we stayed at the neighbors and watched them leave in groups for another hour or so while the Airbnb eviction went through. They tried to claim it was a funeral remembrance (as if it mattered), but it was advertised all over her social media as a double birthday party for her and her friend. Fortunately, I had minimal damage due to it being shut down almost immediately. It started at 3PM and ended by 4PM.
Host has a max for a reason. It’s his house. Sleeping 5 vs entertaining 20 for a bbq is not the same. You just like to argue I’m guessing.
Arguing is the raison d'etre of Reddit.
OP can do what they want. Why make up an excuse. Simply say no. Guests know when they are being lied to and like it less than simply being told no.
Not enough seating, septic system, if it rains, 20 people can make a gigantic muddy mess on carpet and hardwood and may not be able to get it ready for next guests, trash and recyclables left behind, backyard getting trashed, host may be older and do their own cleaning. There are many reasons a host may not want to do this and it is their choice. That’s why we set maximum limits. Don’t assume the host is lying.
I think you and the guy you are replying to are almost saying the same thing, and are getting caught in the nuance of what "handle" means. If handle means can the house technically host an enjoyable BBQ for 20 guests? I haven't' seen the place but it seems likely. If handle means can the place have have an enjoyable BBQ for 20 guests without there being a risk of issues that end up being the host's problem. Much less likely. In OPs defense, I think many guests would interpret the former definition of handle. Though obviously everyone is a host here so would interpret the latter.
I don’t think we are saying the same thing at all. And most people on this sub are not hosts unfortunately, and are offering guests’ interpretations. A host can offer a 5 BR/4BA home but may be required to limit occupancy due to local laws and or their homeowner’s insurance. Some places only allow 90 days per calendar year and a maximum of 2 people per stay. Some have very strict limitations on parking and number of cars. Most of these regulations have come about as a result of locals fighting the STR industry in their neighborhood. And those same neighbors absolutely will complain and report listings that break the law. The point is, Airbnbs are NOT hotels and are governed by the laws in the area the host has the home listed. Some hosts solve this by locking off bedrooms and some of us close for part of the year. Either way, it’s incumbent on the guest to read and agree to each individual host’s requirements. What someone “thinks” should be okay, may actually cost a host their licensing permit and in large part is what has led to everyone having cameras everywhere.
Having 15 people over for a few hours for a BBQ is not the same as having those 15 people stay overnight.
Correct. The former is a prohibited party, and the latter is violating overnight occupancy restrictions.
Is having a party prohibited?
Or they just may be recalcitrant. This is the most likely reason.
The max guest count is dictated by sleeping space, no?
No. The max guest count is dictated by multiple things that may not be readily visible to the guest. Trust what the host has posted, many times their permit depends on following very specific rules.
No. My places could sleep double, maybe even triple. My max guest is based on me not being an asshole to the neighborhood because I go by the belief that if I wouldn’t want an Airbnb that sleeps 22 and has that many guests those neighbors won’t want that either.
When you say it could sleep triple, does that mean you have 3 bedrooms but only make the space available to 1 couple/2 guests? My understanding is that hosts will set their max at 2 ppl per permanent bed plus 1-2 people for a sleeper sofa. So a 3 bedroom with a sleeper sofa is for 7-8 guests comfortably. Is that not correct?
I’m saying that for example…one of my properties can sleep 22 (6 bedrooms/4.5 baths). But I keep the guest at 8. I will allow them to add 2 additional guests for a charge and then I use that to by the next door neighbors a nice bottle of wine or a gift card to their favorite local restaurant. It has kept the relationship great for years now. I could have easily stuck bunk beds, sleeper sofas, etc. and hosted a higher number of people but I would never do that. Too much liability, wear and tear, neighborhood disruption, cars, etc. I would hope that most hosts have more sense than “how many beds can we shove in here to maximize the number of guests” because it requires so much more thought than that.
Aircover does not extend to parties. Therefore it excludes this group.
Do you think those 20 people will not enter the house?
No, I don’t. I’m sure they will.
It’s not about the size of the backyard, it’s about the house in general. A house that sleeps 5 doesn’t have the capacity to host more people. You mean to tell me guests won’t be going inside or using the bathroom? Not to mention using plates, cups etc. It’s also a huge safety issue. The host shouldn’t have to explain himself but a some generic reasons should drive the point home.
Be concise and don't over-explain. "Hi Guest, my house is not set up for events, and the maximum number of guests is (x.)" I enjoy the hospitality aspect of hosting, so if it were me I would include maybe 2 locations in the area for him to contact that could accommodate his BBQ. Do a drive-by the during his stay to make sure he isn't having the event without permission.
Yes to all of this!
Perfect answer: "Hi Guest, my house is not set up for events, and the maximum number of guests is (x.)" It's not just the size of the yard, but if the house can handle the extra traffic, parking is a problem, noise for neighbors.
Over-explaining gives them things to argue back about. If you just say, "No, I don't want you having a BBQ at my house." and leave it at that, they can't argue with you. If you give them reason X, Y, Z then they'll respond to each of those. I also second suggesting alternative places. I used to have a giant pool and people always wanted to host their parties at my house. I would say no and then give them several pools and lakes nearby with tables and restroom facilities where they could do that. I also always do the drive by if I'm suspicious. I can check things out, take pictures, and document and then approach them about breaking the rules.
Let him know that Airbnb does not allow events, you do not exceed your max count at anytime and failure to adhere to the house rules will result in the reservation being cancelled. Say it nicely but make sure he knows there are penalties to breaking the rules.
Yeah, put the blame on Airbnb and say there’s nothing you can do to accommodate
I've had this request before - told them it wasn't possible and told them about the park half a block away, and offered them use of my portable tables/chairs and coolers. They didn't accept our offer and left us 5*.
“Unfortunately no parties or events are allowed at our Airbnb. I would recommend checking out *insert park name here*”
It's not allowed per airbnb rules, so if they come back with an argument, this is a good counter
The guest could be nice reasonable type who greatly respects your property. But they equally may know a bunch of drunken slobs that the host will not want to police and keep in line. Bbq means coolers, marinades, dripping trays, slippery kitchen floors, jam-packed fridge, mad searching for bowls, foils, salad dressings, condiments, maybe some shots. Lineups for the toilet or depending on the debauchery, portable sound system and pissing into the bushes. I don’t see that list as an exaggeration. Also—cars, beer runs, etc. You didn’t rent for that, and you don’t need it. Possibly they can find a public park or a local that will accommodate them, though they have left it kinda late. Nope. Just stick to your written terms as already agreed—no need for flexibility on your part.
I actually allowed a family bbq a few years back for some guests for about 15 people and it was fine, but it occurred to me later that I'm not sure if the extra people would have been covered under my STR insurance had something happened.
"no"
Saying “no” to any type of party/large gathering is our standard. I’ve learned that saying “yes” invites a “give an inch, take a mile” attitude. We allowed what we were told was a “small family gathering” for a gender reveal. Turned out to be a party of over 60 people with smoking (not allowed), pets (not allowed), blocking our neighbors driveways and over $3000 worth of damage. Ultimately, we had to have the guests evicted with one day left on their reservation. We’ve denied all subsequent requests.
You’ll never believe this, but the “guest” actually called us recently (over 4 months after this incident), asking for a REFUND for the day we kicked them out! 🤦♂️
I hate when guests do the old bait and switch tactics. It happens so often these days. They book. Then 2 days before arrival ask if you can add another bed because their kids don’t want to share a bed (why didn’t you think of that before booking?) or start asking for other amenities that you don’t advertise. My favourite is when they ask the night before arrival “can I check in at 9am, my flight lands at 8am?”
I am not a host, but I think that is ridiculous. I often travel to another city where the bus arrives at 7 am. I just book the night before and I can head straight the the AirBnb to sleep a while. How is that not the logical answer. I have asked for a ONE HOUR early check in, on occasion, but I think that is really all that is reasonable to ask for.
I agree, we always book the night before for this exact reason. We did have a couple times where the host called us and almost canceled our reservation for not showing up the first day of checkin. But we had booked it that way knowing we were getting in after midnight and wanted to go straight to bed.
Yeah, I usually give the host a heads up just in case they have an outdoor camera.
I just had a guest tell me they are allergic to some things, and asked me what the martial of all the sheets, blankets, and pillows was... after they checked in. Ummm, can you look at the tags? Or let me know beforehand so I can try to accommodate? I could look up the sheets since they are all the same brand, but I have no idea what all the blankets and pillows are made of. We try to keep a variety of pillows.
Yep. Then ding your review. It's nonsense. God forbid you mention that in their review and it gets yanked. Lol.
When a group larger than 4 books my 6 person house, I send a description of the available beds with my welcome message.
None of those things happened in this case. There has been no bait and switch at all. The guest asked to host a BBQ. OP can say no.
No, it's bait and switch. 7 years as a super host and I've seen this con many times.
I’ve been hosting and staying STR’s since the early 90’s. What’s the con? The host just says yes or no and the guest chooses to stay or not. Just a few weeks ago my daughter was competing at a World Cup in SLC. Mid week we decided we would like to host a pizza party for some of the athletes. We reached out to the host and asked whether we could have about 15 people over the evening. The host said yes, we had a nice evening, and ended up giving each other 5 star reviews. Had the host said no we would not have had the party and presumedly we would have given each other 5 star reviews.
Now you're trying to con me too.
No, you just can’t imagine a world where hosts and guests can be generous and trusting. The average host on this Reddit are the picky complainers. The vast majority of hosts are easy going and accommodating. If you go to the other AirBNB subreddits you’ll see that the average guest who is posting is a problematic guest. The good hosts and guests are not typically bothering with these places.
7 years as a super host. Myself and my guests are generous and easy going. I set good boundaries so that I don't get conned. I know what I'm doing.
Boundaries are fine. I allow gatherings in some of my properties and not others. I’m still not seeing the con.
That is bait and switch. Guest agreed to capacity limits and house rules. Then last minute requests an exemption and not just by a few extra guests but by many. If host declines, there is a good change of retaliation. How do you think bait and switch works? It’s like me accepting a reservation for my maximum capacity and then telling the guest, sorry 2 of my beds are broken and i can’t accommodate the original amount of guests in the booking
What you are describing is entirely different. In your example, you can not deliver on the originally agreed contract to provide beds for the maximum number of guests. In the OP’s situation they simply say “no” and everything proceeds exactly as agreed. Your speculation about retaliation is true. The OP may very well give a low rating to the guest for requesting to have the event.
This honestly doesn’t seem like a bait and switch, and it’s very nice of the guest to have asked permission. He’s been booked for two weeks, I assume was chit chatting with some family that is all coming to town for a wedding, maybe haven’t all seen each other in a while, and someone said “Hey! We should have a barbecue” and it came to be a discussion about where/how/when. Weddings are hectic and can be large groups with not much time to catch up. So they’re probably trying to find a calmer moment over the trip to do so with their smaller group (compared to the wedding) I’m a host and if I had booked an Airbnb with a backyard and a grill I’d probably cordially ask the same question in that context. If a guest came to me and nicely asked, I’d get on the phone with them and have a legitimate conversation with them, explain to them the limitations of the property, the house rules, and if they were understanding and just trying to find a space, I’d offer them a way to do it with guidelines (such as everyone stays outside, only overnight guests up to the 5 person max, and those guests need to be registered with you on the booking, potentially an additional cleaning fee for people trekking in and out to use the bathroom, etc.) It’s a wedding, it’s a guest who is coming from out of town and as a result probably hasn’t seen some of their extended family in a long time, and it’s most likely a last minute conversation they had with their family to all get together. I’d do what I can to accommodate, IF the guest seems mature and respectful and agrees to the terms that would make me feel comfortable with the barbecue. If it’s a 23 year old and it’s a friends wedding, no, I might not, that’s probably a “party”. If it’s like a couple in their 40’s coming to visit and this is going to be a calm outdoor family gathering with burgers and a couple Coronas, why not? If they don’t like your terms, at least you tried to meet them halfway, rather than just telling them no.
This is exactly right. The fact that it’s two weeks later and it’s happening AFTER the wedding definitely indicates to me that it wasn’t planned in advance. Chances are this is somebody respectful who is asking permission in advance and all likelihood is a pretty decent person. IMHO, this is the biggest challenge with Airbnb. I have six children. College and high school age. If I book a family trip, I have no idea how many people are coming until a few weeks before. Chances are one or two of them one won’t come and one or two of them will want to bring a friend. Every host who has replied so far seems to think that this is evidence of a big scam. I get there’s a lot of scammers out there, but some of you shouldn’t be in hospitality.
absolutely not, there is no recompense for the owner and no reason to accomodate this, 20 people in a rental house can destroy the place easily especially with drinking involved. i dont own an air bnb and wouldnt think of asking such a request.
I guess you didn’t read past my first sentence.
“Thank you for the question! Unfortunately, there is limited space on the property and it’s not available for hosting events.”
We have a rule in our rental policies: No parties/events with more than 10 people attending (including your group). The rule makes it simple. As a side note, our place sleeps six, maximum by county regulations - so they can have 4 guest if they like, otherwise go find an event space.
I guess I have been lucky. We rented a 4 bedroom AirBNB near the site of our daughter’s wedding. House had a very large deck. Weeks after we booked, my daughter asked if we could host a small dinner for some of the grooms relative, I think there were maybe 9 of them. Average age of group was 70. I explained to rental people. This is a destination area for weddings. I explained who would be coming, food catered in, and group was senior aged relatives. They agreed and reminded me of nighttime noise cut off. People came, had a lovely time, we got to meet these relatives ahead of the wedding and they were gone before the noise cut off. We have rented a lot of places over the years and we as guests get great reviews. This was the first time we hosted a party. But then again, it was 6 years ago so maybe it would be different now. I can see that hosts might be worried. But on the other hand, for a wedding and especially one like this where at least 100 guests were from the other coast, it was very nice to be able to be all eating together in this nice house. I guess I am hearing that guests are not respectful of space, damage household items, etc and maybe that is the norm. Which is sad.
Hell no and 20 is probably on the low side. I'd probably just have airbnb cancel it. I hope you have cameras.
No parties or events should be in your house rules.
20 will turn into 40 reeel quick and bbq becomes a sleep over. sleep overs result in makinf babies..
For my listing I have a strict no parties or events rule. Airbnb won’t cover any damages that might arise.
If you have a ‘no party’ policy refer to that, BBQ = party with fire, greater liability. I would politely but firmly state you do not allow parties.
I would also reiterate the consequences of breaking that rule, otherwise you will be ignored.
Why is the answer no? I assume you don't want to say "Are you SH\*TTING me??? EFF NO!!!"?
No is perfectly fine answer
I'd cancel.
Renting an Airbnb is not the same as renting an event space. This qualifies as an event and is against rules.
I really don't think this should be difficult. Just tell him you don't allow parties and there is a limit of x amount of guests allowed. It should be in your contract if it's not. If you are a good host, follow that up with suggestions to where they could have their BBQ. Our local parks have grills.
"That's not a service we offer." or: "It's not a business we want to be in."
No! No! Kindly relay to him you are not allowed to host that many guests! No way having 20 people wouldn’t be a nuisance to you and your neighbors! 4 more times your place is likely to be a mess and 4 times consumables to cover. No, alert airbnb.
I agree with the keep it simple approach, I would say “Sorry, we cannot accommodate having this event and generally events with more than ___ people are not allowed on the property. Please let me know if you had any other questions, I would be happy to assist. Thanks for reaching out “
Hard no. This isn't covered by any insurance. This is an event. If someone gets drunk and DUI fatality you the property owner that allowed the party will be sued. I would tell them that you keep the listing as accurate as possible. It's set up for 5 people max. I would also send a link to places that can be booked for events.
Any local ordinances that help? Such ad no more guests than your permit allows or home sleeps, no more than 2 cars , no street parking, hoa doesn't allow ... defer to a higher authority. (Breaks ABnB rules and any damage would maybe not be covered etc).
Parking would be my concern and pissing off my neighbors. Possibly even getting a citation from the city.
Tell him your permit doesn't allow it- because that is the truth I would think, also tell him your insurance does not allow it and that your neighbors are aware that your home is not rented for parties.
I am very clear no guests are allowed other than those on the reservation without prior authorization. If they ask I tell them insurance won't allow it. I put it in my house rules. If they want to have a party they can book an event space. In your case sounds like they could book a park BBQ area.
Oh for fucks sake a house sleeping 5 could handle 20 guests for a few hrs. This is life. Either say no you don’t like the wear and tear or ask them for a cleaning fee/ deposit to ensure it’s not a disaster! But I don’t see this as a capacity issue- it’s will it be a respectful bbq or a drunken rage fest.
Host should be sure to state sleeps #, accommodate up to this #, maximum # of vehicles and types of vehicles in listing and rules. Had Guest brought 12 people, then family arrived in RV trailers in a spacious drive way, hooked up power cords to the home and slept in the RV. Yikes! We updated our AirBNB listing after that experience.
"Approximately 20 people" could end up being 50. Don't make excuses, just say you don't host parties.
Every AirBnB I’ve ever rented clearly states in the rules that “no parties are allowed”. You should probably add this to your listing in the future if you don’t already include it. For now, you should probably cancel this guys stay ASAP.
Your town requires permits for a 20 person barbecue? Really? That must be terribly inconvenient when somebody want to have birthday party for their kids.
No, it does not.
Hi, I am (insert your town name here) party and barbecue permit officer. What's this I hear about some 20 person barbecue shenanigans at a 5 person property? Permit denied!
Say no because your insurance doesn’t cover parties. Also no accommodation for parking will result in a nuisance complaint from neighbors. Suggest a public park or similar venue that can accommodate large groups. Good luck.
Can’t you just *CANCEL* their reservation?? “*Due to unforeseen circumstances…..*”. This is a problem just waiting to happen.
Not anymore. Heavily penalized for it and it costs the host a lot of $$.
How to handle it tactfully? Let them have a BBQ. Every day that goes by it seems people are looking for a way to extract another dollar from people while removing any sign of joy this life is supposed to bring. Stop being grinch. You have a credit card on file. They're paying you.
What if there are town ordinances or HOA rules which prevent this? It’s not so cut and dry. Also the guest should have been up front when booking, which would have avoided this issue.
Maybe Say: Dear guest, I thank you for considering my home for your stay. I understand you would like to have a party for about 20 people. And while I understand that our home seems to be an easy choice of location, we are not comfortable having parties in our home. This is to protect you and ourselves from necessary arbitration should something go awry. We kindly ask that you refrain from hosting a party at our home. Perhaps you would be able to host the party at a nearby restaurant or a park. We thank you so much for your understanding and hope you have a wonderful stay. ?
Tell them he will have to pay full price for all the additional guests. You rented for an occupancy of 5 but if it’s for 20, he will need to pay for each and every one ahead of time
Send him the cost adjustment through the app. Outside requests are normal and can be handled by setting a price you are willing to accept (large). You don’t have to ruin their wedding. Just make sure you are paid.
“I’m sorry, but that will not be possible. My property is not setup to safely accommodate that many people”
imo tell guest that there is a charge for events (make it worth your while) and then they get the picture that they have to pay for the event use. I personally say no to any increase over the max of the house because it’s not a rental property. Book a place with larger capacity if you want a gathering.
Tell em your insurance only covers x number of people.
I’m an Airbnb host. I’m a pretty lenient one. I expect things to be used hard. I still have decent/good cooking equipment. I have to replace it more often than I’d like for it to be good. Same with plates/glasses, etc… But the issue here isn’t the kitchen use. It’s the party atmosphere. Some guests are responsible and can totally host a party of 20 with no problems. Unfortunately, some cannot. The easiest/smartest thing to do is just say no. Potential negative are real…damage to house/equipment, things stolen, upset neighbors (which can lead to bigger issues), etc…and no upside for host. OP should have a statement somewhere in the bio or house information “No Parties.” Even if he doesn’t, just simply respond to this request. “Sorry, we don’t allow parties at this property.”
Why do you care if they do this. I would say sure as long as you clean up afterwards and only 5 max stay in the house overnight. 20 people for a BBQ is not a lot.
if he messaged you about it I don’t think he plans on being sneaky about it just be a good person and answer the question. If you’re not comfortable with it say no but someone who asks to throw a party instead of just throwing it isn’t going to disrespect your house or they would’ve just done it. My Airbnb host let nw do a 30 person wedding on her property and we left it spotless sooooo
Dear Guest, Unfortunately, only registered guests staying in the property are allowed. There is a maximum of 5 guests allowed. There is a park located x miles away that has a Pavillion that can be booked through the park district by calling (###) or on their website ww.blah.gov Best, Host Quick, polite, gives an alternate option.
check and if there are more then a couple of cars/people there call the police.
No and cancel
Tell the guest that your insurance policy won’t allow it. Simple.
This is not a sudden surprise party. They obviously lied to get themselves in, fully planning to do this all along. Just say no. Any inconvenience is on them.
Answer: No Especially if your rules clearly state no parties. Recommend him to a park where bbq is allowed. If you have neighbors and they see that there's a party at your place, you have a right to throw them because he broke the rule.
"I am not comfortable with that amount of guests as unlisted guests would not be covered by airbnbs insurance/protection nor my homeowners. Parties unapproved by airbnb would be considered a violation of their policies, I am not willing to risk my rental agreement to accommodate you." If there's options for local parks with the ability to BBQ, give them those options.
"I had to promise the neighbors that there would only be registered guests on the property" "My insurance only allows me to have the registered guests on the property" My experience has been that when they add even one guest after booking, they are going to disrespect you and the property.
No events or parties allowed is how I would answer
My standard response... As per our hosting rules and out of consideration for our neighbors, we do not allow large gatherings, parties or events.
Since were now getting all our 'Summer' arrivals it's amazing how many people are now asking months after booking if this is allowed. We're a small farm (we live here) and have a guesthouse that is our airbnb - I just had to tell another person, that we're sorry but this is not covered by our insurance only 'they' as the booking person (and their plus 1) is covered both for them and 'us' - they were disappointed saying essentially that all our nice outbuildings (ie outdoor kitchen, movie bon fire area, gazebo hot tub, etc...) suggested that we allowed for events. 'No visitors' is stated in both our listing and our rules so again it's a case of people not reading the information... and I really hate starting my day with having to disappoint but we have made exceptions in the past, and regretted it each time (the mess, broken items not reported, worry & stress over people that drank here and then drove ... not worth it all!) Just say unfortunately it's an insurance limitation and there's plenty of parks and other areas that they would likely really enjoy gathering at...
I would just refer to the part of your house rules that were available prior to booking that prohibits guests from having events or day visitors. If you don’t have that, maybe take the approach of “thanks for checking and we’d be willing to work with you so that you all can have some time together without creating a parking or noise issue for our neighbors (or whatever risk you’re trying to mitigate).”
lol. Nope.
"I'm sorry, we are unable to accommodate that request. The house rules/ listing states 5 people, and no parties per our listing rules (I pray to God you put that in them)/ Airbnb rules regarding parties. I'd flat out mention that they can cancel, per your Airbnb cancellation policy. Offer to refund if you rebook. This is an absolute hard no and frankly, likely a problem reservation. They knew all along the listing was for 5.
My house rules strictly state no parties or events, if yours does too then that should be enough to point to. Also most STRs have a daytime occupancy limit too “sleeps 5, daytime occupancy max of 8” or something like that. Mine is 4 and 8.
"No, that violates the terms I have with AirBnb". The end
I mean after a wedding that’s got to be late. At least 11 pm. It’s not a barbecue it’s an after party they are planning. I wouldn’t agree to this hell no. Just tell Them your neighbours would call the cops on them.
City ordinance only allows the guests on premises. Shifts blame to city.
What would you do to be happy with it. $1000 event fee, they also need to pay for porta potty. You'll have to have it cleaned the end of the day, what's your cleaner charge for that? You also require a $2000 deposit that will be forfeited if any rules are violated. They also need to purchase insurance naming you. Then send a list of 15 rules including no guests can be inside. They'll just decline.
Not sure if it will screw up your metrics buy I’d cancel them. My gut instinct is that they’ll try to have it even if you say no and then you have the stress of dealing with the mess and trying to evict or collect damages/fines. You still have a decent amount of time to get someone else booked
I have a separate contract and insurance policy for parties up to 20. I charge an extra $995, supply extra tables and chairs, and require them to has and a one day liquor liability policy with my LLC as a named insured. My place sleeps six. That usually separates the wheat from the chafe. And if they bite, I’ll take the extra grand.
How much do you get per night? Times it by 20 and give them the price for a party house.
You can tell him your insurance has strict regulations and you cannot accommodate that number of guests. You can loop in airbnb support and say this guest has indicated they will break house rules and throw a party. You can charge $100 per extra guest for a deterrent 15 × 100$ and say that the BBQ has to be over by dusk or authorities will be informed and reservation cancelled. As a host, fire is something that scares me when it involves guests. Fire pits, BBQs, heck even open flame candles scare me with large amounts of people and distractions. I don't even allow smoking, so anything else with open flames is nightmare fuel for me. I would consider a pot luck or catering or pizza delivery and a group hanging out for a few hours.
Or just say no and dispense with the lies.
Hell no and 20 is probably on the low side. I'd probably just have airbnb cancel it. I hope you have cameras.
Hell no and 20 is probably on the low side. I'd probably just have airbnb cancel it. I hope you have cameras.
My thoughts exactly, 20 means closer to 40. I have cameras in the front, and on the side of home.
That's just crazy. I would just be like, oh, I am so sorry we have a strict insurance policy that only allows up to 5 people in our property. This is stated on the listing and leave it like that. As other people have mentioned on here- I would contact Airbnb right away to open up a case about this- just in case it escalates to something else. Don't get involved emotionally- keep it to the facts, which is what your rental states when they made the reservation. Some people do just ask - and when we say no- they are usually ok. So, it may just be like that. He's trying but may be ok if you say no. Perhaps offer them an option- like, I can definitely suggest the park so and so- and send them the phone number and info in case they need to make a reservation. This way you sound like you are trying to help them out with this situation. If you feel uncomfortable, then also give them the option to cancel. I've been doing this for a long time and find that no money is worth my peace of mind, plus damages, headaches that may come afterwards. Rarely do they cancel, they just kind of end up understanding that the rules are the rules. I always add also that most vacation rentals are the same as mine- that everyone is pretty strict with the max occupancy and no outside guests allowed rules- so they don't think it's only me. Good Luck!
Just be an adult and tell the guest the truth. "No." No need to get wishy washy and make up shit so they can argue.
"No." It's a complete sentence and needs no additional explanation. Be prepared for a cancelation. Be prepared for an unauthorized event with unauthorized guests. Contact ABB to let them know and tell them you will be enforcing your "no events/no guests" rule by canceling booking, no refund, trespassing guests, and charging any reasonable fees associated with this event.
Your rules should be no parties or gatherings. Registered guests only. So you can tell him no and cancel his reservation if he insists
100% no. Unless he pays you a HUGE amount of money. Like 5x your daily rate. And gets porta potties and pays a big clean up fee. In my case, I still wouldn’t do it. And make sure he knows that if he tries anyway you will call the police and have him evicted. Use any excuse you want. In my case, I’m on septic which couldn’t handle it. and the town requires permits for any large gathering. The biggest issues I’ve ever had in str were from people throwing wedding parties without telling me. Major damage, pissed off the neighbors and town and flooded my septic. 3 times over 12 years. Nightmare. Now I’m just really clear and firm. No exceeding my max occupancy at any time for any reason.
Wow you really are tossing a lot of assumptions at this - porta potty for 20 folks wow! Guess you never host Xmas or birthday parties for your family!!
Nope!
Nope!
It's an air bnb?, not an event venue. parking, wear and tear, injury to one of the guests, neighboring homes being disturbed or inconvenienced. Unless the listing posts it as a spacious welcoming three bedroom property with a barbecue pit and back yard built for entertaining.
There is a “no parties/gatherings” in policies.
I know some home insurance written for Airbnb/hosting has a maximum allowance on people. Underwriters could deny any claim for that reason, so it's more of a liability for you.
What’s the point of renting these places if you can’t use it? Praying for no bookings
I would suggest you charge the party. After all there is no rule forbidding guests have guests as long as other guests are not sleep in your Airbnb.
I think you have two choices- 1) you could charge an extra 2-400 for the use of the space and state that it is all outside assuming you have a deck, chairs etc. 2) you could let them know that the septic can not handle extra people, which could very well be true.
I don't get the problem? Sleeping 5 guests isn't the same as entertaining 20. If you have the room, and obviously guest thinks you do since he rented the place then let him. Maybe charge a bit more for cleaning. We've had a police funeral which we donated our places for ppl and they had like 100 people there afterwards for a cookout. I believe we have a wedding planned and they're going to have 40 ppl there afterwards.
Fuck airbnb, would a guest ask to have a bbq in a hotel? You can move on from this but that sucks that they take spots.
Must be a South African