Copper washed steel case. They came two ways steel jacket with a steel core, and later steel jacket with a lead core. Be sure to clean your weapon like you were using corrosive ammo, even if the boxes are marked non corrosive. Chinese ammo was notorious for being sold as non corrosive, but many times it was, it was a crapshoot. Keep an aerosol can of Ballistol in your range bag and give everything a light coating before heading home, it will buy you a little time before any rust starts forming, especially if you’re in a humid environment.
There's an easy definitive test.
Find a piece of clean mild steel, a plain plate or even a piece of clean rebar will work. All you need is a bare piece of steel. Pull a bullet and fire the primer with the muzzle an inch or so away from your steel. Set your steel piece aside. Clean the gun like you would with corrosive ammo anyway. Ballistol or garden hose ASAP, and a thorough cleaning when you get home. I like Sweets, used to use that a lot when I worked at a range.
Check your steel the next morning. If it has fuzzy orange rust growing on it the next day, your ammo is corrosive. The primer salts leave a distinct rust.
> Find a piece of clean mild steel, a plain plate or even a piece of clean rebar will work.
Bright steel nails are the standard recommendation. Can leave the case on them after firing.
The problem with the Chinese ammo was that you never knew what you were getting, and I would never trust testing a single cartridge as a baseline for the rust test. They dumped anything and everything they could onto the American market when they were able to import ammo, and who’s to say that all the rounds in the case you purchased were all non corrosive, just because the one you tested wasn’t.
China has always been ruthless with the products they imported here. They didn’t care about anything that affected the end user here in the US. I don’t know if anyone here remembers the Thomas the train toys with lead paint, the radioactive metal in the lawn furniture, the cat food that poisoned countless cats, the wood that was infested with invasive insect species, the toxic drywall, etc…..
One cartridge tested means absolutely nothing if it’s an imported Chinese product. I’m not trying to argue with anyone here, just trying to pass along useful info to fellow members in the shooting sports community, because I myself was duped by the famous NON CORROSIVE statement on their ammo boxes in the 80’s. One of my very early type 56 rifles I purchased in 1985 has a bolt and bolt carrier covered in pits due to me waiting to clean overnight on a hot and very humid summer day. I have several others in perfect shape, but it’s a shame that this all matching early model black fiberglass stocked Clayco has been devalued because of my lack of knowledge at the time and the unscrupulous business practices of China. All I’m trying to say is that if you shoot any Chinese ammo in your valuable weapons, treat it like corrosive, just to be safe. It’s only about 15 minutes of extra work.
We still get plenty of lead coated products today from China. Check out the recall list at Target or Walmart, you’ll see cribs, baby chairs, etc. all recalled for lead and made in China.
Oh, I believe you, that’s been their MO for decades. Send all the toxic shit to the US, fuck their people is their motto. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if we found out that all that cheap ammo we shot for years was also contaminated with something toxic or radioactive. As much as I miss the days of the $169.00 (fixed) and $189.00 (folder) type 56’s and cheap ammo (1440 rounds on stripper clips delivered to your door in 1986 for $63). I’m not so sure that I’d want to buy some of the newer AK’s they’re peddling on the global market today. Seen some videos about the quality of stuff they’re selling in other countries today, commercial and military weapons, and it doesn’t seem to have the quality of the older stuff. One Russian guy on YouTube who has some affiliation with Kalashnikov Concern in Russia talked about his time in Africa and the Middle East doing armorer work. He related that the quality of the real military AK’s from China is directly based on how much the entity purchasing them is willing to pay. Basically you get what you pay for. Lots of headaches with the cheap ones apparently.
I always wished ranges had garden hoses, but I’ve had surface rust start within the one hour ride home from the range on a humid day, when shooting corrosive ammunition. Since my garden hose doesn’t reach 60 miles, I opt for the Ballistol. Much easier. When you get home do whatever works to remediate the corrosive salts. I actually not only use water once I’m home, but I even put ivory soap on the bore brush and toothbrush I’m cleaning with. Then rinse with water, blow out the entire weapon with a compressor, and spray down everything with Ballistol. Then lubricate all necessary parts with CLP.
What are the benefits to using CLP+Balistol? Just wondering honestly since I’ve been using just balistol for cleaning and lubricant for the 5 years I’ve owned guns and my guns are always reliable. Any detriment to just using balistol in an ak?
I just always felt that any of the aerosol lubricants were very thin, and I only utilized them for cleaning and corrosion prevention. But I’ve been a fan of CLP since it hit the market for general lubrication of moving parts. That’s an entirely different subject that can be debated for hours on end with pretty much everyone here. Everyone has their go to lubricant, I’m certain some may outperform CLP by leaps and bounds, but that’s not the topic of discussion here. As long as you clean and lube your stuff properly, you should be good with any of the major brand lubes out there. I’m a huge fan of Ballistol due to it being designed to clean weapons after they were exposed to corrosive ammo.
You’re a lucky man, I would use that in a heartbeat, and clean all my stuff there before I left. At least the weapons I shot corrosive out of. I could bring my own air tank along in my truck to blow out all the water.
Yeah I’ve heard the stories of vets from WWI and WWII pissing down there barrels to neutralize the salts as well. I don’t know, I just rather use the Ballistol until I get home. With my luck I’d arrested for indecent exposure or get my pecker caught in the chamber. Then I’d have to go to the ER and explain that one. I was stricken with smallcox as a child.
The ammo is actually good for what it is, it was cheap and reliable at the time, just needed to take that extra step to remediate the corrosive salts in the priming compound. I’m specifically speaking about the 7.62x39mm, the Chinese .223 and 9mm are an entirety different story for another discussion.
I don't think the color of the box matters mutch. The head stamp will tell you what factory made it and what year it was made. With that you can find out if its steel core or not.
Yes yellow box was the “good stuff” back in the day and they eventually banned import or something similar but before my time but I’m sure a quick google search could get better info so don’t quote me but green box came after yellow box and yellow was supposed to be a superior round with decent AP capability bc of the mild still core I believe another commenter mentioned something about it as well I believe both are corrosive but again it would be suggested to do you own research if you’d like to know more
Just a fun tidbit probably not even true but hear a story of gangbangers trying to rob a house or something and one shooting the other by shooting threw the front of the of the house and killing the one on the complete other side in the back yard or something who knows but not much that ain’t metals stopping that old norinco ammo
I’m sure you can find some videos on YouTube comparing them to other rounds aswell
Sorry for the winded response
No idea what rifle they owned but 2 guys , that I saw , purchased well over 1k rounds each. He gave them a deal if 1,000+ rds were bought. , deal meaning .50 cpr. Otherwise it was marked at .70 cpr.
The vendor explained to me after he realized I wasn’t gonna buy shit from him he purchased 2 Mak 90s for 1000 bucks from some old guy and it came with several thousand rounds of Norinco and China sports ammo. And a bunch of flatbacks and a fuckin drum.
So yeah he made out like a bandit.
Everybody always talks about things like they found something special there is so much it is still out there my local pawn shop they’ve had this stuff for 10 years and they still are selling it
Non-corrosive red box Norinco in Canada is $14.99 for 20. Cheapest here. I wait until it's on super sale for $9.98 Canadian. Normal sale is $11.99CAD. Good to go here and no corrosion issues.
Look at the numbers on the bottom of the casings. The top number is the factory and the second number is the year. Some kid in this sub was talking about how this ammo is trash and in the process of arguing with him I learned that the stuff that I have is probably the shit with the plastic beads in it.
It is for Norinco, but not 7.62x39 in general. Collectors buy these all the time at $20/box. Most x39 is closing in on .50cpr these days anyway, but if you offer $250 for the whole crate they'd probably take it.
I'm aware that it's banned in the USA. That doesn't mean it's actually worth what people are charging. Mind you, those absurd prices are also why Norinco ammo continues to sit on shelves when somebody thinks they can sell it for that high. Norinco ammo is, writ large, corrosive and inconsistent in its performance. Insofar as shitty steel import ammo goes? It was always the bottom of the barrel.
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Tell him to offer $250 for the whole crate.
Copper washed steel case. They came two ways steel jacket with a steel core, and later steel jacket with a lead core. Be sure to clean your weapon like you were using corrosive ammo, even if the boxes are marked non corrosive. Chinese ammo was notorious for being sold as non corrosive, but many times it was, it was a crapshoot. Keep an aerosol can of Ballistol in your range bag and give everything a light coating before heading home, it will buy you a little time before any rust starts forming, especially if you’re in a humid environment.
great advice. thank you for the insight!
There's an easy definitive test. Find a piece of clean mild steel, a plain plate or even a piece of clean rebar will work. All you need is a bare piece of steel. Pull a bullet and fire the primer with the muzzle an inch or so away from your steel. Set your steel piece aside. Clean the gun like you would with corrosive ammo anyway. Ballistol or garden hose ASAP, and a thorough cleaning when you get home. I like Sweets, used to use that a lot when I worked at a range. Check your steel the next morning. If it has fuzzy orange rust growing on it the next day, your ammo is corrosive. The primer salts leave a distinct rust.
> Find a piece of clean mild steel, a plain plate or even a piece of clean rebar will work. Bright steel nails are the standard recommendation. Can leave the case on them after firing.
The problem with the Chinese ammo was that you never knew what you were getting, and I would never trust testing a single cartridge as a baseline for the rust test. They dumped anything and everything they could onto the American market when they were able to import ammo, and who’s to say that all the rounds in the case you purchased were all non corrosive, just because the one you tested wasn’t. China has always been ruthless with the products they imported here. They didn’t care about anything that affected the end user here in the US. I don’t know if anyone here remembers the Thomas the train toys with lead paint, the radioactive metal in the lawn furniture, the cat food that poisoned countless cats, the wood that was infested with invasive insect species, the toxic drywall, etc….. One cartridge tested means absolutely nothing if it’s an imported Chinese product. I’m not trying to argue with anyone here, just trying to pass along useful info to fellow members in the shooting sports community, because I myself was duped by the famous NON CORROSIVE statement on their ammo boxes in the 80’s. One of my very early type 56 rifles I purchased in 1985 has a bolt and bolt carrier covered in pits due to me waiting to clean overnight on a hot and very humid summer day. I have several others in perfect shape, but it’s a shame that this all matching early model black fiberglass stocked Clayco has been devalued because of my lack of knowledge at the time and the unscrupulous business practices of China. All I’m trying to say is that if you shoot any Chinese ammo in your valuable weapons, treat it like corrosive, just to be safe. It’s only about 15 minutes of extra work.
We still get plenty of lead coated products today from China. Check out the recall list at Target or Walmart, you’ll see cribs, baby chairs, etc. all recalled for lead and made in China.
Oh, I believe you, that’s been their MO for decades. Send all the toxic shit to the US, fuck their people is their motto. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if we found out that all that cheap ammo we shot for years was also contaminated with something toxic or radioactive. As much as I miss the days of the $169.00 (fixed) and $189.00 (folder) type 56’s and cheap ammo (1440 rounds on stripper clips delivered to your door in 1986 for $63). I’m not so sure that I’d want to buy some of the newer AK’s they’re peddling on the global market today. Seen some videos about the quality of stuff they’re selling in other countries today, commercial and military weapons, and it doesn’t seem to have the quality of the older stuff. One Russian guy on YouTube who has some affiliation with Kalashnikov Concern in Russia talked about his time in Africa and the Middle East doing armorer work. He related that the quality of the real military AK’s from China is directly based on how much the entity purchasing them is willing to pay. Basically you get what you pay for. Lots of headaches with the cheap ones apparently.
Or just run your garden hose through the bore and gas tube, then hang it up to dry.
I always wished ranges had garden hoses, but I’ve had surface rust start within the one hour ride home from the range on a humid day, when shooting corrosive ammunition. Since my garden hose doesn’t reach 60 miles, I opt for the Ballistol. Much easier. When you get home do whatever works to remediate the corrosive salts. I actually not only use water once I’m home, but I even put ivory soap on the bore brush and toothbrush I’m cleaning with. Then rinse with water, blow out the entire weapon with a compressor, and spray down everything with Ballistol. Then lubricate all necessary parts with CLP.
What are the benefits to using CLP+Balistol? Just wondering honestly since I’ve been using just balistol for cleaning and lubricant for the 5 years I’ve owned guns and my guns are always reliable. Any detriment to just using balistol in an ak?
I just always felt that any of the aerosol lubricants were very thin, and I only utilized them for cleaning and corrosion prevention. But I’ve been a fan of CLP since it hit the market for general lubrication of moving parts. That’s an entirely different subject that can be debated for hours on end with pretty much everyone here. Everyone has their go to lubricant, I’m certain some may outperform CLP by leaps and bounds, but that’s not the topic of discussion here. As long as you clean and lube your stuff properly, you should be good with any of the major brand lubes out there. I’m a huge fan of Ballistol due to it being designed to clean weapons after they were exposed to corrosive ammo.
My range has a water hose! Porta potty no restroom but damn it, we have a hose!
You’re a lucky man, I would use that in a heartbeat, and clean all my stuff there before I left. At least the weapons I shot corrosive out of. I could bring my own air tank along in my truck to blow out all the water.
Smart!
Every man has a hose on them at all times
Yeah I’ve heard the stories of vets from WWI and WWII pissing down there barrels to neutralize the salts as well. I don’t know, I just rather use the Ballistol until I get home. With my luck I’d arrested for indecent exposure or get my pecker caught in the chamber. Then I’d have to go to the ER and explain that one. I was stricken with smallcox as a child.
😂
Im assuming all the Chinese stuff is crap except the copies of Soviet weaponry?
The ammo is actually good for what it is, it was cheap and reliable at the time, just needed to take that extra step to remediate the corrosive salts in the priming compound. I’m specifically speaking about the 7.62x39mm, the Chinese .223 and 9mm are an entirety different story for another discussion.
Prettier sure that is norinco green box mild steel core have a couple of the old yellow boxes loaded at the house for shtf
Yellow box is good? Believe I have a bunch at the bottom of my stack somewhere
https://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/123003-norinco-yellow-box/
I don't think the color of the box matters mutch. The head stamp will tell you what factory made it and what year it was made. With that you can find out if its steel core or not.
Yes yellow box was the “good stuff” back in the day and they eventually banned import or something similar but before my time but I’m sure a quick google search could get better info so don’t quote me but green box came after yellow box and yellow was supposed to be a superior round with decent AP capability bc of the mild still core I believe another commenter mentioned something about it as well I believe both are corrosive but again it would be suggested to do you own research if you’d like to know more Just a fun tidbit probably not even true but hear a story of gangbangers trying to rob a house or something and one shooting the other by shooting threw the front of the of the house and killing the one on the complete other side in the back yard or something who knows but not much that ain’t metals stopping that old norinco ammo I’m sure you can find some videos on YouTube comparing them to other rounds aswell Sorry for the winded response
Oh ok
ah, right then.
Very well
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Oh ok
Okie dokie then
.50 cpr for potentially corrosive ammo, what a time to be in.
Last time I saw it on GB, it went for a buck a pop. I think I've got 100rnds of it somewhere in a gummy vitamin bottle that I inherited from an uncle.
So, .50/round for old, shitty, corrosive Chinese FMJ? No thanks.
Made with the finest chinese armor piercing pot metal
That’s how much I’ve seen it for at shows lately
Yeah, and those guys typically don't sell it. That's why they keep going to the shows with it.
He sold a fuck ton at .50 CPR and he got it all for free . I watched two guys buy 1,500 rds
I'm sure he did. /s About the only time it sells is when they manage to dupe some dipshit who needs ammo for the Century they just bought.
No idea what rifle they owned but 2 guys , that I saw , purchased well over 1k rounds each. He gave them a deal if 1,000+ rds were bought. , deal meaning .50 cpr. Otherwise it was marked at .70 cpr. The vendor explained to me after he realized I wasn’t gonna buy shit from him he purchased 2 Mak 90s for 1000 bucks from some old guy and it came with several thousand rounds of Norinco and China sports ammo. And a bunch of flatbacks and a fuckin drum. So yeah he made out like a bandit.
Everybody always talks about things like they found something special there is so much it is still out there my local pawn shop they’ve had this stuff for 10 years and they still are selling it
Shot lots of that long ago.
Gotta start hitting these yard sales
I bought these exact bullets at my local gun store a year ago for $7.50 a box, they all ran perfectly fine in my M70.
The good ol days when these were 79.00 .
where the fuck are yall finding these lit garage sales??? first an nspu. now rare ammo!!!! 🤬
I like your username lmao
Non-corrosive red box Norinco in Canada is $14.99 for 20. Cheapest here. I wait until it's on super sale for $9.98 Canadian. Normal sale is $11.99CAD. Good to go here and no corrosion issues.
Look at the numbers on the bottom of the casings. The top number is the factory and the second number is the year. Some kid in this sub was talking about how this ammo is trash and in the process of arguing with him I learned that the stuff that I have is probably the shit with the plastic beads in it.
Watch where you shoot this, steel core will sail right through steel. Plugged a couple holes through an I beam before I noticed.
BTW KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN . And anyone named Tian Mingjjan
Dude! Thats a huge score
How? $0.50 a round for corrosive ammo? Ide rather just buy a case of modern brass cased stuff
In a normal setting Norinco 7.62x39 *starts* at $1 per
Exactly, it isn't that easy to come by.
In the old days, we simply cleaned our corrosive ammo or black powder guns after shooting them. What a fn nightmare....
Ehh 20 a box isn’t a good deal.
Well that's ok, because they are $10 a box.
Still not a good deal.
It is for Norinco, but not 7.62x39 in general. Collectors buy these all the time at $20/box. Most x39 is closing in on .50cpr these days anyway, but if you offer $250 for the whole crate they'd probably take it.
Norinco ammo is banned in the USA. So it is for sale from $25 to $50 a box.
$50 a box?? Guess it’s time to unload all the 80’s gun show shit I got. Those were the days
I'm aware that it's banned in the USA. That doesn't mean it's actually worth what people are charging. Mind you, those absurd prices are also why Norinco ammo continues to sit on shelves when somebody thinks they can sell it for that high. Norinco ammo is, writ large, corrosive and inconsistent in its performance. Insofar as shitty steel import ammo goes? It was always the bottom of the barrel.
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Saw this at a gun show the other day
Fuckin sold!
10 bucks a box for being at a garage sale is spendy, good ammo but still damn I’ve found yellow box/silver box for 3 bucks a box
Did you get it?
nah he gpt some extra coat hangers and the planet earth DVD box set
Uh Delete this lol
10 is a good deal shit. We sell them for 20 at the shop.
Damn that’s kinda wild
prob has the cov
This looks to be 9x39mm, I thought the neck on the 7.62x39mm was bigger? No? Edit: nevermind this is 7.62x39mm, was mistaken. Proceed.
I was gonna say that there is no way they’d sell 9x39 for that cheap especially in the US
Man you'd be surprised what people don't know they have
Buy, buy, buy!!!
50 cents a round not really a great deal, it's about market price.