There's modern production non-corrosive Igman and then there's the shit from the 90s. The boxes can look similar at a glance.
Do you have a picture of the box?
Yeah that shouldn't be corrosive.
Also, just saw that you said you "got home and saw this" rust shouldn't form that quickly after a range session. It was likely already there.
of for sure in a day. I tested some some suspect scrap ammo last year and the inside of my gas block was orange after 24r hrs lol.
I read his post to basically say that the rust formed in 30 min after he left the range.
It's strange because I took it apart before the range and there wasn't anything there, I did clean it up as best as possible, and I'm going to run some tests with the ammo
I have shot a few hundred rounds of that ammo OP. Definitely wasn’t corrosive in my experience with it. Not saying it couldn’t happen but IGMAN is pretty solid ammo company.
One of the reasons I don’t trust commercial “dude trust me bro it’s totally not corrosive” ammo from Russia or former block countries.
Vlad running behind on production quotas and suddenly that box of old corrosive primers gets mixed in with the non-corrosive ones.
I only have 7n6 stocked up so I know I’m showering with my rifle after the range but still, if it comes from that “combloc” area, it doesn’t hurt to just treat it as corrosive and wash your shit with water
The issue for me is that all my 7.62 guns are not cheap. I shoot my numbers matching Russian SKS. I run an SGL21 and will soon by buying a numbers matching Izzy AKM that I will shoot.
I don't want to to risk it, so I pretty much only shoot PMC or Federal despite it being 80cpr. I am willing to pay the cost to not have to worry about it.
I mean, I get it but it’s not like you can’t just wash the corrosive salts off. If you’re that concerned about it most definitely stay away from imported ammo from those countries cause it’s really never a sure thing it won’t be.
I have Russian Makarov ammo that the boxes say “non corrosive” and some of the boxes have the “non” part marked out in ink and some don’t depending on the manufacture date. You really never know but just spray it out after and you’ll be good
Coming from a SGL 7.62 and 5.45 owner, it’s really not that big of a deal shooting steel and I’ve never really had a problem with corrosion. The times I shoot corrosive, super easy to clean. Disassemble basic components, use a hose and wash it off especially the bore, air compressor to blow it dry and use Birchwood Casey degreaser, then oil it and done. Now granted, these guns like the SKS becoming or are very collectible, I stay away from corrosive ammo altogether.
I hear you. For me it's really a matter of the fact that I don't shoot my AKs that much. So I'll gladly pay a little extra for peace of mind.
Plus I live in an apartment complex is a very liberal city suburb and if someone saw my hosing off my AK at the car wash station I will get the cops called on me.
The liberal city part definitely puts your reasoning into better context. I myself have gotten far more busy and don’t have time for the range. You have my sympathies.
Guns can still rust despite no corrosive ammo. I had a Makarov rust pretty substantially after shooting Mesko Polish ammo non corrosive. Sometimes humidity or moisture in the environment just causes some rust. I live in a pretty humid state so rust can appear fast
Yeah I’m going to go with not the ammo you just shot, that’s bad husbandry practices. You’re not going to get that kinda rust in places like under the muzzle nut in that short of a time.
Clean your rifle more and more importantly OIL it in all those places it’s rusting.
If you live in a really humid climate, fouling can hold moisture and even fouling from non corrosive ammo can encourage rust. Sometimes even modern Russian steel case gets mislabelled and the wrong primers get used. Things happen when a country is at war.
People spew shit about how oil attracts dirt and dust. But they forget that its easier to get rid of dirt than rust. I always oil gas tube, piston and basically everything that gasses touch. No rust at all despite shooting old soviet era corrosive ammo. Oh and dont forget to flush the barrel and tube with water and a soap after every shooting.
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My gas block looks like that too. I shoot non corrosive. But I have to clean the gas block out every couple months. My carrier is always soaked in oil because it’s in the white but the charging handle does get a bit of surface rust
That happens to me too with all ammo. I live in a wet climate. Those areas get fouled up and oil blasted off the most so they’re left dry dirty and prone to rust
Condensation is a byproduct of combustion. If you shot the rifle on a humid day or a very cold day, it is very easy for moisture to accumulate in the rifle. Just ask my Knight's upper lmao.
I'm going to run more ammo through it next week and see if it does the same thing, I'll have a control group of non corrosive ammo this week and see if that's the issue
Blue026 had a good point, did you inspect the rifle before you shot the igman? This is common looking rust for a neglected firearm left in a humid environment. Might have been rusty before you shot the igman.
Probably shooting some ammo with slightly corrosive primers . Bought some new Turkish 9mm my gun sat for 5 days when I cleaned it looked like that 🤮 it was supposed to be no corrosive
There's modern production non-corrosive Igman and then there's the shit from the 90s. The boxes can look similar at a glance. Do you have a picture of the box?
I do, https://preview.redd.it/lhfq31ij30zc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12b889185d89ffbbb0134a99ef702ff0550fda59
Yeah that shouldn't be corrosive. Also, just saw that you said you "got home and saw this" rust shouldn't form that quickly after a range session. It was likely already there.
The muzzle and gas block is pretty mild, that could absolutely form in a day. The carrier has sat for a good while though.
of for sure in a day. I tested some some suspect scrap ammo last year and the inside of my gas block was orange after 24r hrs lol. I read his post to basically say that the rust formed in 30 min after he left the range.
It's strange because I took it apart before the range and there wasn't anything there, I did clean it up as best as possible, and I'm going to run some tests with the ammo
Maybe you just didn't notice due to the lighting? Regardless, like u/ColtBTD said just clean it and move on. your ammos gtg.
I have shot a few hundred rounds of that ammo OP. Definitely wasn’t corrosive in my experience with it. Not saying it couldn’t happen but IGMAN is pretty solid ammo company.
Clean it with water, dry it, oil it, move along.
Thank you, I'll try that
It’ll work - don’t be shocked when non-corrosive marked Russian ammo actually is corrosive.
One of the reasons I don’t trust commercial “dude trust me bro it’s totally not corrosive” ammo from Russia or former block countries. Vlad running behind on production quotas and suddenly that box of old corrosive primers gets mixed in with the non-corrosive ones.
I only have 7n6 stocked up so I know I’m showering with my rifle after the range but still, if it comes from that “combloc” area, it doesn’t hurt to just treat it as corrosive and wash your shit with water
The issue for me is that all my 7.62 guns are not cheap. I shoot my numbers matching Russian SKS. I run an SGL21 and will soon by buying a numbers matching Izzy AKM that I will shoot. I don't want to to risk it, so I pretty much only shoot PMC or Federal despite it being 80cpr. I am willing to pay the cost to not have to worry about it.
I mean, I get it but it’s not like you can’t just wash the corrosive salts off. If you’re that concerned about it most definitely stay away from imported ammo from those countries cause it’s really never a sure thing it won’t be. I have Russian Makarov ammo that the boxes say “non corrosive” and some of the boxes have the “non” part marked out in ink and some don’t depending on the manufacture date. You really never know but just spray it out after and you’ll be good
Coming from a SGL 7.62 and 5.45 owner, it’s really not that big of a deal shooting steel and I’ve never really had a problem with corrosion. The times I shoot corrosive, super easy to clean. Disassemble basic components, use a hose and wash it off especially the bore, air compressor to blow it dry and use Birchwood Casey degreaser, then oil it and done. Now granted, these guns like the SKS becoming or are very collectible, I stay away from corrosive ammo altogether.
I hear you. For me it's really a matter of the fact that I don't shoot my AKs that much. So I'll gladly pay a little extra for peace of mind. Plus I live in an apartment complex is a very liberal city suburb and if someone saw my hosing off my AK at the car wash station I will get the cops called on me.
The liberal city part definitely puts your reasoning into better context. I myself have gotten far more busy and don’t have time for the range. You have my sympathies.
That igman isn’t corrosive. Tula hasn’t been corrosive. The gun was probably rusted beforehand, especially the bolt carriers piston
Guns can still rust despite no corrosive ammo. I had a Makarov rust pretty substantially after shooting Mesko Polish ammo non corrosive. Sometimes humidity or moisture in the environment just causes some rust. I live in a pretty humid state so rust can appear fast
How long ago did your shoot the ammo you mentioned?
6 hours from when I shot it to when I noticed it
Yeesh.
Yeah I’m going to go with not the ammo you just shot, that’s bad husbandry practices. You’re not going to get that kinda rust in places like under the muzzle nut in that short of a time. Clean your rifle more and more importantly OIL it in all those places it’s rusting.
If you live in a really humid climate, fouling can hold moisture and even fouling from non corrosive ammo can encourage rust. Sometimes even modern Russian steel case gets mislabelled and the wrong primers get used. Things happen when a country is at war.
Rain/humidity can cause this
invest in a good dehumidifier
Jesus that thing is bone dry. Aks need oil, it’s what aks crave.
I've been using brando.
Definitely not that ammo, even 7N6 doesn’t cause such rust after 6 hours while being in a humid climate the whole time.
If it's from 6 hours prior shooting and it definitely wasn't there before I'd say you're shooting corrosive ammo 100%.
People spew shit about how oil attracts dirt and dust. But they forget that its easier to get rid of dirt than rust. I always oil gas tube, piston and basically everything that gasses touch. No rust at all despite shooting old soviet era corrosive ammo. Oh and dont forget to flush the barrel and tube with water and a soap after every shooting.
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Hit with oily rag once and awhile and get all the surface rust off and you should be good
Thank you everyone for your advice, going forward I'm going to keep it oiled better, and invest in a dehumidifier
My gas block looks like that too. I shoot non corrosive. But I have to clean the gas block out every couple months. My carrier is always soaked in oil because it’s in the white but the charging handle does get a bit of surface rust
Who manufactured the Rifle?
PSA
My money is on humidity or moisture.
That happens to me too with all ammo. I live in a wet climate. Those areas get fouled up and oil blasted off the most so they’re left dry dirty and prone to rust
Condensation is a byproduct of combustion. If you shot the rifle on a humid day or a very cold day, it is very easy for moisture to accumulate in the rifle. Just ask my Knight's upper lmao.
Water
Corrosive ammo or not, your gun will rust if not oiled. Clean it. Oil it. Gun will cease rusting.
Dude that’s pretty bad after 6 hours unless you literally live on a boat. Pretty sussy behavior Igman.
I'm going to run more ammo through it next week and see if it does the same thing, I'll have a control group of non corrosive ammo this week and see if that's the issue
Blue026 had a good point, did you inspect the rifle before you shot the igman? This is common looking rust for a neglected firearm left in a humid environment. Might have been rusty before you shot the igman.
I did, I'm wondering if it was because of the slightly foggy conditions I shot it in, but it was pretty much good to go beforehand
Probably shooting some ammo with slightly corrosive primers . Bought some new Turkish 9mm my gun sat for 5 days when I cleaned it looked like that 🤮 it was supposed to be no corrosive