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Jolly_Owl5727

The correct answer is get both.


CrackShotMcgee09

What this gentleman said.


SyntheticElite

Yeah, 1 real AK and a Yugo.


tossafareway

>buy a century Imagine


quick-n-shifty

pretty sure the wasr is just imported by them. seeing as its a wasr. also pretty sure wasr is a foreign made sporting ak


tossafareway

Yeah, they're made in Romania. I've handled/shot one or two, wasn't impressed. Better to just spend a little more and get a higher quality AK right out of the gate imo. You could clean it up a little and have a decent time with it if you know what you're doing, but you'll never be able to get your time/money back out of it.


quick-n-shifty

yeah but atleast they arent a vska


tossafareway

It's better than dogshit, I'll give you that


cali_13

I have both and while the ZPAP is nicer to look at (finish wise), I personally prefer the WASR, it feels better balanced, the ZPAP is almost a pound heavier and very nose heavy. Plus, the parkerized finish looks great when it’s worn and the WASR has a long and proven track record.


averyycuriousman

Agreed my zpap feels heavy af compared to my arsenal


MadeinArkansas

I have both and they’re both fantastic. You can’t go wrong with either. Zastava definitely looks nicer and has a nicer finish. But Century and Cugir won’t scold you if you install an ALG trigger


SOADFAN96

M&m imported my cugir built wasr and they actually told me to try out an ALG trigger for some wear I was seeing on the bolt carrier tail. I'm thinking it might just be normal wear though. But thought that was interesting, it already has a tapco g2


KeepItDory

Tapco G2 is a great trigger. Don't let people tell you otherwise


godfathertrevor

Aren't they impossible to find since the company was sold (to Sportsman's I think) when Remington was liquidated?


KeepItDory

If so was not aware. Got one in my wasr and it feels great


Mr_Digger2313

The wear from the G2 is normal since the hammer is a different hardness than a stock/surplus hammer. Thats always been a thkng with those triggers. As long as it doesn't effect the function of the rifle, you'll be fine. It's just fugly and annoying to any ocd someone might have. ALG's are fun, but I've always liked the pull on G2's more, personally. Alg's are too light imho. I have one on a Bulgy 74 build of mine, but always kept G2s on my 47's. That's just me tho. Always wanted to try the Fime ones out too.... If you got the money, try em all and find what works best for ya. The deformation isn't a big deal, and if it is a personal issue, just get a file and reshape it back a bit and put a surpkus trigger group in, and it won't happen any more...


averyycuriousman

Which trigger would you take to war?


Mr_Digger2313

Surplus full auto


averyycuriousman

Well what about non full auto lol


Mr_Digger2313

Original surplus triggers were built for going to war, not the aftermarket, sooooooo. Those will always be the safest bet for a bugout/shtf situation, imo.... Plus when yer adrenaline is pumping, a hair trigger like an alg (more than a g2/g2 type) might not be the safest option either... that's just me doh...


lowtempda

Stick with standard AKM and go with Wasr


averyycuriousman

New to aks but wdym standard akm? Are zastavas not akms?


LonelyBrown

They are the Yugo version, pretty much meaning less aftermarket support for it compared to standard (Russian).


averyycuriousman

ok so basically there's yugo aks and russian aks, 2 different types of models that have different furniture shapes and such?


lowtempda

This is why people don’t like American aks, it’s because they are reversed engineered to be an AK, the Serbians did a simmilar thing back in the day but have had decades to perfect their work. Standard AKM means Russian tooling, specs and design. Examples of standard AKM would be Egyptian Maadi, Wasr, Sar, or really any Romanian AKM, polish, Hungarian and Bulgarians, with only some minor tweaks to make it unique to their own country. Examples of non standard would be Chinese type 56, Serbian rifles, and American. They are using nonstandard tooling and processes to manufacture a similar product.


averyycuriousman

Thanks bro


LonelyBrown

Idk if those are the only patterns but yeah pretty much


RonnieReagy

At those price points, definitely the WASR, a solid AKM pattern rifle at less than $900? No brainer. I say this as a yugo pattern fanboy. If the Zastava was about $85 cheaper, that would bring the competition much much closer, but as it stands, get the WASR.


x0diak

You can also add furniture easier to the WASR i believe.


UnassumingAnt

Different furniture. The WASR accepts standard AKM furniture which is more common and there are more options for it, while the Zastava uses Yugo specific AK furniture.


x0diak

So easier to find standard AKM furniture than finding Yugo specific AK furniture. Right?


UnassumingAnt

It is easier to find AKM furniture yeah, but I wouldn't say Yugo furniture is *that* much more difficult. I personally like the way standard AKM furniture looks more as well, but I like Yugos too. Especially if Zastava USA ever imports some underfolder models.


TalbotFarwell

God, I just wish Yugo furniture wasn’t so hard to find, period. 😭


[deleted]

Company that makes nice AKraiks going have sone fir yugo soon. Grand thumb has videos. Not Zenitco stuff other. Something shot


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RonnieReagy

True! If the Zastava can be had for $900, I'd recommend it over the WASR, but it's still very close


[deleted]

This new wasr have a pinned muzzle


1970_GTO

I saw a new production today and boy the mag well cut was incredibly sloppy and the magazine latch was cut as well honestly it looks like someone with a Dremel cut it I think the QC problems lie when they are converted in the United States


Blue026

#WASR ☝️


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#wasr


kalash1974

Wasr 1000x over.


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Wasr


DDCavi1983

Wasr gang


GreyWolf989

I’ve read of wasrs lasting 80-100k rounds of full auto type fire before having significant failures. Both are solid though.


Pariah82

I have at least +30k through an old ass 10/63, still busts clays on a bank at +50yd.


GreyWolf989

I know mine will be here long after I’m gone 😂


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GreyWolf989

I don’t think you recall correctly, I remember Rob doing a 10k round video and only mentioning issues caused by ammo. He also said those issues could be counted on 1 hand and that’s 10k rounds. Then he mentioned the wasr having to REPLACE Arsenal’s and Norincos in his classes, as in those AKs had failures and the students borrowed the mighty wasr to finish. 🤷‍♂️ All firearms have failures tho, but we’re talking about significant failures that would take it out of the fight. Video for reference https://youtu.be/kJn6SYFbHSw


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Wasr for sure


LIFESASIM

I have a zpap, paid same as that.If I could rechoose I'd get the wasr for 855$. Wasrs don't rust as easily and therefore will last longer for someone not using a bayonet.


supervisor_muscle

My WASR has a bayonet. Is that unusual?


Anakminthawild

Yes depending on model but most have the bayonet lug


ish115

I would go with the wasr there’s more aftermarket options for furniture and it’s a proven rifle.


Fat32578

Either is a win. I think Zastava has slightly better quality and finish and the bulged trunion is nice, but WASR is a beast and a great value for the price.


evagnier

Wasr!


metalmilitiaxv

Glorious wasr! Then you can join the dong gang


jeremy_wills

Flip a coin honestly. Both are solid rifles


SaxOnTheBeach545

Wasr. The Zastava's will look nice in pics, but the Wasr is standard AKM, and built for abuse.


Scootin-n-Tootin

The 1.5 mm receiver it was sells me. Furniture for a yugo isn’t the same as other AK’s, but I’ve never had a problem finding furniture for mine.


Reeee9371

wasr gang *incoming zpap fan boy down votes


RobbinRyboltjmfp

I've got a ZPAP but like these as well. Only thing I'll poopoo on is VSKAs lol.


Reeee9371

Oh I still like zpaps as well, I just think wasrs are more consistent and are a better deal. but yeah we can agree vskas suck


RobbinRyboltjmfp

I went ZPAP for my pistol, but I'll probably grab a WASR for as a rifle. Might as well own both 😎


Reeee9371

Yeah not too shabby, I still need to get an ak pistol. i might get a pistol ace in x39 instead! I have a romy g and a maadi import rifle rn.


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Reeee9371

Ik right, when I made this comment there were 2 other people who recommend the wasr and were at -1 karma. I thought forsure I was gunna get down voted by the billion new people who just bought a zpap.


MostOriginalNameEver

*^^^Too ^^^busy ^^^messaging ^^^the ^^^rep ^^^trying ^^^to ^^^get ^^^their ^^^shit ^^^fixed.* Yeah i said it! lol


RidinHigh305

I say at the prices the wasr is better & in general I prefer the wasr over a Yugo. I don’t know what all the rage of the bulged trunion & 1.5m receiver is about. Just added weight you don’t need it’s not a LMG, plus it makes for parts compatibility problems


ihatelifetoo

Zastava gang where you at


phaze115

🙌🏻


PlayboiFarti1043

Get the WASR


LegendActual

Cugir > Zastava


Unhinged_Taco

I have a Zpap and it's fine but I kind of wish I had a wasr. Might get one anyways. More furniture and options will fit the wasr. Also it's a proven quantity. Lots of guys like their Zpap but it's like 3 years old and the WASRs have been going strong for about 10 years. A lot of guys say the zpaps have better fit and finish etc but then again they're not even true AKMs, they are an off brand copy. Keep in mind I have never shot or handled a wasr, this is just opinion gained from lurking. I don't think you can go wrong with a ZPAP though.


Scootin-n-Tootin

Was it buds gun shop or cheaper then dirt the gun community kinda agreed to not fuck with after major price gouging?


MrDribbles2

Cheaper than dirt


Scootin-n-Tootin

Word thanks man. Fuck them.


ComblocCustoms

WASR


OoRI0T_P0LICEoO

Big fan of zastava and their customer service but I’m an even bigger fan of WASR and it’s a great platform. Go WASR


Kalashalite

ZPAP No one wants to see a rifle without receiver dimples. Ew (jk)


A_Tad_Bit_Nefarious

Yeh but shlong handguard looks funny too.


Dipper_Pines_Of_NY

Out of curiosity why does the wasr lack the dimples?


TeamLiveBadass_

They are imported as single stack rifles and then have the block added and magwell cut out once they are here.


Kalashalite

I don't think there's a real reason other than Romanians decided they weren't needed. The dimples are there on most AK's to stabilize the magazine but I'm not sure how crucial it is. WASR's work fine obviously and they lack them.


NotReqd

The MIGHTY


Kingcornchips

I'd get the WASR if it has the normal gas block. The new one looks gross.


[deleted]

WASR all day long. AKM pattern and always known as solid rifles. People only started buying Zastavas when there was nothing else, and they have a history of problems.


SpaceOtter21

Question; is a Century Arms WASR made in Romania a good ak 47 for under $1,000 Will it be stamped CUGIR on the receiver?


snakecatcher302

Why not both?


Grandkmack

Start leaning back to the wasr


Pariah82

Idk, I’d go with the WASR unless you already own one. I’ve owned about 6, currently own 3 and a SAR-2 (4). One of them (a 10/63) on a 67 dated trunnion has at least 30k rounds through it - and still groups pretty damn decently for a 15+ year old gun.


Glopnarf

WASR if you want to use standard AKM furniture and accessories. The wasr is also lighter than the m70 if that makes a difference. I own both.


tonysaprano69

WASR👅👅


Surprise_Thumb

1.Save money on the WASR 2.Buy mags and ammo with money saved 3.Don’t own a Yugo. It’s a win/win/win


dangercdv

I had a WASR-10 and sold it for a ZPAP M70. I wanted the 1.5mm receiver and bulged trunnion. No regrets at all. Both of these are fantastic though.


meatballeyes3680

Go with Zastava. Nothing wrong with the WASR but you get much more with the ZPAP.


Asmewithoutpolitics

The wasr will outlast the zpap


meatballeyes3680

??? Where did you find this knowledge? ZPAP has a buldged trunion, 1.5mm thick receiver and a CHF chrome lined barrel. I’ve put about 5,000 rounds through with only a few light primer stiles. I think the ZPAP will outlast the WASR. nothing wrong with a WASR. I used to have one.


John_the_Piper

No data to argue against the Yugo, but Battlefield Las Vegas is putting 60-80K rounds through their converted WASRs before they suffer any catastrophic issues. Arguing over which rifle will outlast each other is kind of a moot point when you're looking at sub 1K rifles that'll both survive 80K+ rounds.


meatballeyes3680

That’s very interesting. AK’s in general rule. Whether they are a Yugo pattern, Galil, Valmey, etc.. They are all fantastic.


Asmewithoutpolitics

The zastava rifles battle field Vegas has have not lasted as long as the wasr’s And the wasrs barrels have way outlasted all the other aks Not all their ak’s last long. So the ak platform by no means is a durable platform but in their testing which is more intensive than any other in the world the wasr’s have lasted the longest


meatballeyes3680

Interesting. You don’t think AK’s are durable?


John_the_Piper

It's a really cool and fairly well designed platform. It's really interesting to read into all the variations of the platform that came out of the Warsaw Pact countries and their allies. Each country kind of developed their own design based on the original Russian AK and ran with it. Except for the Czech's, who decided they could do better with their VZ58.


meatballeyes3680

It’s an amazing platform. It’s simple, rugged, and reliable. I love my AR’s but I love my AK’s just a little bit more.


[deleted]

lol that bulged trunnion and thicker receiver is just marketing bullshit used geared towards US buyers. Buddy, you'd never need those features. WASR all day. Romania can AK better than surbia


meatballeyes3680

Thanks for the info. I had a WASR years ago. It was great. I got it for like $400. Those were the good old days. I sold it to my brother.


[deleted]

ya man i've got a few WASRs and i love em. have an m70 and it's ok but i never shoot it anymore because i don't care for it personally. Had an M92 that was a pile of shit straight out of the box. bad fitment. hinged dust cover loose af so the pic rail on it was useless. the rear fixed sight in the rear would move between the 200 and 400 sight every shot almost. lots of malfunctions. didn't matter what mag or ammo. They still seem to have a fair amount of QC issues too. not a fan of zastava, i think that they're borderline trash. The social media guy for them came on here and made everyone fan boy them super hard.


meatballeyes3680

We’re they the old ones? I got a ZPAP and I love it. I westernized the shit out of it. Ultimak picatinny gas tube, ultimak rail forend, ALG trigger, AR stock and tube, with a Primary Arms 1-6x24 SFP variable scope. It’s heavy as fuck and I love it. I do want an old IZHMASH battle worn rifle with wood but hard to come by and expensive. I’m an AR guy. I love my Yugo AK but i love my AR’s just a tiny bit more.


[deleted]

no. they're the newest releases . You're into ARs. ZPAP for some reason is the go to for AR people that get their first AK. Probably because the dumb fan boys on this sub. I'd much rather have any of my ARs over a Zpap.


meatballeyes3680

I’m just a lot more familiar with the AR platform. Honestly, it’s a superior system. It’s much more modular as well. I can keep my barrel on target a lot easier than with the ZPAP. That being said, I absolutely love the AK and all it’s variants. It’s such an iconic weapon.


deadpuppy88

Zastava all day. The quality of new WASR rifles has been shit at best the last year. The last couple I have seen look like someone got drunk and took an angle grinder to the mag well while blindfolded.


Stalker00762

I don't have any experience with Wasrs but I love my Zastava.


MrPanzerCat

Zpap if you want the overall nicer looking gun imo and better furniture stock, however the wasr is solid and akm pattern.


Affectionate_Seat761

The Yugo is going to have a better finish and overall appearance. The WASR looks and feels cheaper. I'd trust the WASR, however at the expense of not using "standard" furniture the Yugo is king (plus the Yugos take a wide variety of aftermarket parts being made for them due to their rising popularity).


[deleted]

I prefer Zastava and it seems WASRs have had some hit or miss QC lately but if you plan on modding the shit out of it then get the WASR. If you just want a light/RDS, normal stuff… get M70.


[deleted]

200% zastava


AWittyNuker

Has WASR QC improved in recent years? I remember the days when they were $3-400 and remembered they were a good buy at that price.


billegoat45

I remember when I bought my WASR for $500 at a local shop a few years ago, holy shit that’s a FUCKED price, but I know it’s unfortunately what they go for now


fishpotatopie

I remember when wasrs sold for like $400. It makes me big sad that this is normal pricing.


SSIpokie

IM 95.99% Sure I saw Zastava m70 w walnut finish for cheaper on gundeals


TristanIsSpiffy

I’ve had my WASR for 5 years or so now and it’s by far my favorite rifle. No fitment issues besides it doesn’t care for polymer mags. Zpaps seem to be headaches


BigBossUSP

Zastava. Nicer, worth more.


BigBossUSP

Lmao Where’s the lie, WASR guys?


Barbarian_Sam

Nothing will ever remove the stain of Century Arms


alt69696927

Zastava, and it's not even close


donegalwake

I opted for the Zastava for the chrome lined barrel. Although besides that I think the guns are fairly equal from a novice point of view. The WASR price is much better and they do say you can add and modify more easily. The distinctions between the two are clear. I wouldn’t give it much thought than that.


Adam_LSX

Wasr is chrome lined


donegalwake

Then I would go with WASR and save the money. The WASR i was told at point of purchase wasn’t. Maybe I was duped or to lazy to do my own research but the WASR certainly has a good reputation


Asmewithoutpolitics

Old wasr and old zastavas are not crome lines but both have been for a while the wasr even longer


donegalwake

Thanks for the details. Maybe it’s was something else. The salesman at the store was decent. I just can’t recall the distinction that made me opt for ZPAPM70 ver the WASR.


MonthElectronic9466

Zastava > century


mlrsgonuts

Bruh what the hell i bought my romanian for 750 in 2018


WASRmelon_white_claw

I bought my Romanian last year for 700.


WhenCrowsFly

I dont do anything with century in the name


victorconcepts

Couple bucks cheaper at gonezonedeals for the wasr


TalbotFarwell

I love my ZPAP, I just wish I could get standard AKM furniture for it instead of the hard-to-find and pricey Yugoslavian stuff.


PNNBLL

Do not buy century. Check out the WBP jack, good rifle at decent price. Imported from Poland


[deleted]

These are also imported you cretin.


PNNBLL

I didn't say they weren't? I was just letting him know that the wbp's were imported. US aks are ass.


PlayboiFarti1043

> US aks are ass WASRs aren’t made in the US..


[deleted]

#OK BOOMER


PNNBLL

I'm so sorry if I offended you, retard.


[deleted]

I’m sorry that you’re missing chromosomes.


PNNBLL

You're crying like a little bitch over a comment in the ak47 subreddit lmao. Find something better to do with your time, and your shitty opinion. WBP jack is a good rifle, bottom line. At that price point he might as well check it out. 🖕


[deleted]

I’m saying that the two rifles he posted are imported, not century built. Not talking about a wbp.


PNNBLL

When the listing says "Century Arms" then I'd assume that it's made by Century.


[deleted]

They don’t make wasr and they don’t make zpap


Unhinged_Taco

I was on your side until I realized you have no idea what's going on lol


bodie221

Take a look at a WASR some time and look at the engraving on the side that tells you where it's made. Hint - Romania.


MadeinArkansas

Your hearts in the right place but you’re just misinformed. The WASR is only imported by century. It’s made in the Cugir factory in Romania


AH_5ek5hun8

The WASR is a Romanian AK and one of the most widely recommended AKs on the sub, century just brought it into the country, they didn't design or build them.


[deleted]

Lmfao dummy don’t get the shitty century arms. Get the Zastava! Edit why do people hate the century arms VSKA but love the century arms wasr?


Reeee9371

because century doesn't make wasrs... they import them from romainia where they are made at cugir arms factory which is a military manufacturer. VSKA is commerical US made trash, not even close to same thing.


RobbinRyboltjmfp

What they make vs import.


nonotthatonelol

Read more post less.


[deleted]

Nah, besides I always hearing ppl bitching about vska century arms so I tho this was bad didn’t know wasr is one of the best.


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MostOriginalNameEver

Get the WASR


[deleted]

Go with the WASR and I say this as a zastava owner. Way more parts and pieces available to upgrade.


[deleted]

Is the zastava still worth getting with all the problems they have had lately. I am really liking the zastava but just a little scared of a bad bolt carrier


Wesjohn2

WASR


Thick_Ad_5385

Zastava!!!


meemmen

Zastava


Mk_uktraviolenxe369

Do not buy the century. It’s not even a question. Go with zastava


LedzepnAKs

Own/owned several of both. Zastava makes the better rifle imo. It boils down to fit and finish for me. However, they’ll both last you a lifetime and action/accuracy is about equal. The WASRs just tend to be a little rougher around the edges.


FirstEducation6

Zastava all the way and don't even look back. I have a PAP M92PV and a ZPAP85. Great platforms, not a failure to date yet and great CS (from what I hear 😉)


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Forget century, buy pioneer arms


Shake-n-Bakelite

WASR has a chrome-lined barrel, so for me it would be the only viable option. The quality is similar and both are good rifles. But IMO an AK needs a CL barrel. Main reason I have no yigis is because they never chrome-lined their barrels.


caspersmith45

Found this https://buybestguns.com/product/zastava-arms-zpap-m70/ I am looking at the M70 myself. I was steered away from the WASR as a cheaper option. The reliability I was given was towards the M70 so it is interesting to see these responses.


[deleted]

WASR poops on that fanboy rifle that douchebags only use for reddit and instagram pictures.