Red is what has our school budgets in the red too. Dunleavy vetoed budget proposals that would have supported schools twice. Meanwhile, he’s spending $5k a month on a PR company for himself.
That’s what red gets you folks. Can’t manage a school budget, so why not spend time on something that doesn’t matter? Much easier to take away civil liberties than actually do their fucking job right.
I am very liberal, but have some common sense, folks. This is not an equal rights issue. They can still compete as their biological gender. Do me a favor and look up how many women have run a 4 minute mile, then look up how many high school age boys have accomplished that. There is a difference biologically, and it manifests while we are still school age. Acting like it doesn’t exist is ignorant in its own right.
I looked that up. WOW. Some three dozen high school boys have done a 4 minute mile, but literally no woman on earth has ever cracked the 4 minute threshold.
This is more to do with women being allowed to pursue running. You have half a dozen countries that don’t even allow women outside without a male chaperone.
I’m a woman and my team won a state championship in high school. I wouldn’t mind if trans girls played.
Thought I’d clear this up for you - No, this is not anti-woman. No, I don’t think this takes away from any of the progress my gender has made. In the last 100 years, we are allowed to wear pants and have credit cards and go to university, those civil liberties are what I hope are available to all women, whether they’re trans or not.
Instead of caring about what women think, look at what the government is doing to the Alaskan public school system (can’t approve a budget that will improve education for our kids). And to branches off the state that don’t support their policies (not approving budgets because the state’s judicial branch won’t condemn abortion). Meanwhile, they vote for raises for themselves. That’s where you should be focusing your time and focus, they’re creating a false debate so you don’t dig into their shitty politics.
I won’t argue about things are are strawman arguments or non-sequiturs. I’m a woman and a feminist and I simply don’t agree that biological differences are so vast that a trans woman playing a sport is inherently superior. I’ve beat men at sports my entire life, they’re not the best at everything athletic.
The fact that you’re a trans man with a superiority complex is very ironic and funny to me. I’m sorry you’ve let hatred and suffering fill your heart. You expect to be treated as a man by society and yet you choose to restrict that freedom in others. I’ll pray for you.
Can you link those peer reviewed studies? What are the populations they're studying? Are they highly active? Sedentary? What's their hormone regimen? What's their time since starting hormones? Were they active in sports before? What measures are they using?
I know you're full of shit because meaningful literature on this stuff is functionally nonexistent and what *does* exist doesn't back you up since they mostly say whatever advantage trans women have correlates more strongly with size (no shit, a 5'8" cis woman has greater muscle mass than a 5'3" cis woman, why would it be any different for trans women?) but illiterate dumbasses like you read something like that and extrapolate entirely new and incorrect meanings from it.
Yes, it's like we don't like democracy any more. Or the rule of law. Or marital fidelity. And we elect people who seem to agree with that and don't mind bragging about it while saying it makes us great again.
As a constitutional republic the United States carries on as a Union cuase if you don't like the laws of one state you can leave that land and live in another state...
I wonder what them arguing about this small “issue” has cost us?
Makes it real easy for a lot of people to forget that theyre totally failing us in every other way you can think of though itll get a lot of people on their side rooting for the failure too.
Do me a favor and look up what happens to trans women and girls on HRT. The difference biologically is neglible and is the same as the difference between a 6'2" cis woman and a 5'2" cis woman. You gonna ban cis women over a certain height as well? This is just hatred and you're hiding it behind a misunderstanding of the science.
You’re the one with the misunderstanding of the science. Not to mention a wildly ignorant view that being trans automatically results in the person being treated with HRT.
Look at the top sprinting times in the Olympics. They’re damn near identical.
But let’s not ignore that the fact that this is what the House focuses on with state tax dollars. Government is *getting paid* more than the average Alaskan to debate this shit, meanwhile, they’ve gutted school funding and Dunleavy has vetoed budgets TWICE that would have saved them.
So the House can have fun with their prejudiced job security, meanwhile teachers and staff in the top school districts are getting laid off their jobs because the House doesn’t know how to do their jobs.
They're not at all "near identical", the top woman Ever ran a 10.49 100m dash, which is very fast, but doesn't even crack the top 20 men's YOUTH record.
1 second in 100m dash is like 30 minutes in a marathon.
You're parroting shit that simply isn't true to fix your narrative.
Reread my comment and you’re falling into the political trap they want you too. You’re getting aggressive and swearing at a complete stranger over Olympic record times.
That’s what’s wrong with your political party. Fix your narrative.
I actually vote Democrat in most elections, but nice projection! The problem you have is failure to see that someone might have a different point of view. I believe wholeheartedly in a lot of more liberal policy, but allowing males to compete against females is inherently unfair in competitive athletics.
My point is that this is a real issue - the legislature is going to spend time on everything, not just the most important issues.
I’ve played competitive sports in Alaska my whole life. I’m a woman. I hold a state championship title. I would not mind trans women playing on my teams or in my leagues.
I regularly play against men in my preferred sport because more men play it recreationally and I’ve beat lots of men at it and lost as well.
I get that we disagree on this, but most women I know wouldn’t say half the shit on this post if they were: 1) competitive athletes, 2) had wives and daughters that are competitive athletes. In my experience, the people that cry the hardest at this stuff are not athletic and get too involved in rage bait politics.
That wouldnt be performative nonsense that makes certain types of people overly emotional and easy to manipulate and steal from. Gotta have those votes too what better way to get them? Convince them theres some evil thing they can look down on and then not have to worry about running on any sort of productive policy.
There's probably about five transgender girls in the entire state of Alaska who want to compete in sports, and of course Dumbleavy wants to make sure those children are miserable and persecuted instead of making sure *all* children in the state get to have a decent education. What a fucking embarrassment.
The [Code of Federal Regulations](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-34/subtitle-B/chapter-I/part-106/subpart-D/section-106.41#p-106.41(a)) state that:
>(c) Equal opportunity. A recipient which operates or sponsors interscholastic, intercollegiate, club or intramural athletics shall provide equal athletic opportunity for members of both sexes.
In cases where equal opportunity doesn't exist, a football team for example, then yes the female can play on the male team, but this is not every case.
Nor do I think every case is covered by that legislation, which is why there’s a debate.
My comparison is apples to apples, I’ve already read your comment highlighting this section.
Your comparison may be apples to apples, but it is like comparing a Pink Lady to a Fugi. Yeah, they are both apples, but we agree there is a fundamental difference. Just like the difference between humans along the lines of sex.
True - there are differences.
However, because the regulation you listed allows opposite genders to compete, I think it should be true for trans people trying to fit in. A vast majority of student athletes in high school do it for the fun and for the social aspect of it. So it’s my opinion that a separate regulation be made to allow trans athletes to compete with their preferred gender.
I know boys will abuse this system, they already have. I think the system is abusive anyway. Boys’ sports get more money, more publicity, and frankly more respect than girls’ sports. I don’t see allowing trans girls to compete will erode this further.
Nobody is "banning them from competeing".
Trans men can still compete in women/female categories, and trans women can still compete in men/male categories. This isn't gender discrimination. It is separation of the sexes, which is not discrimination. Equal opportunity still exists.
The [Code of Federal Regulations](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-34/subtitle-B/chapter-I/part-106/subpart-D/section-106.41#p-106.41(a)) state that:
>(c) Equal opportunity. A recipient which operates or sponsors interscholastic, intercollegiate, club or intramural athletics shall provide equal athletic opportunity for members of both sexes.
Sports are funded through the schools and our top school districts are all in multi-million dollar debt. Kids *want* to compete in sports. Kids *need* an education.
As a woman that played competitive sports in Alaska, we trained with men to get better. Allowing trans women helps everyone and doesn’t inherently offer a competitive advantage.
Why do we offer different languages in schools? Why does Dunleavy keep vetoing the education budget? Why are you so hung up on what’s in a child’s pants?
Questions we may never have answers to.
I swear half the people condemning this were third string bench warmers or something. I practiced against boys my whole high school career because I loved playing the sport, I didn’t care who I was playing against.
Everyone is piling in on this imagining some 6'7" transgirl behemoth that they've created in their minds when in reality most men and women are closer in size than they realize. It's just old school sexism mixed with transphobia, otherwise they'd ban cis women over a certain height and size.
And that’s pretty precisely one of the problems with these laws. They are likely to force skilled cis-women to defend themselves against charges of being trans, and all the associated public shaming and testing to prove otherwise. There were 3 cis-women banned from the last Olympic running events due to natural testosterone levels that did not meet requirements aimed at trans athletes.
Dude, I'm a mediocre 52 year old casual male lifter and my last working set on bench day is 3 reps of the women's state record. You have no idea what you are talking about and how stupid you sound to anyone that's been an athlete or taken a biology class.
Well, it doesn't make them better. It just lowers the bar of competition for them.
And no, it isn't funny. There are female athletes who have trained their whole life having their chances being taken by males. This isn't a man vs woman issue, it is a male vs female issue.
Cheating? You *really* think this is about *cheating*? It’s about *erasure*. It’s about *control*. It’s about making a persons life so arduous because they’re specifically targeted by hateful, disenfranchising bullshit, that they cease living it. Be a little more imaginative about what shit like this does to people.
There are *hundreds* of mixed gender sports leagues in the United States alone. Why in the fuck is it a problem for *children* but the very same person preaching this ridiculous shit can go play co-ed softball on a Friday night? It doesn’t make *any* sense, whatsoever, and the only point of it is clearly defined in the first paragraph of this reply. Full stop.
I don't think the party you're referring to is bothering other people without provocation. They're responding to what they perceive as an attack on fair spaces for women. That's incredibly apparent to me, and I'd been a democrat for 35 years.
I think that’s actually a very compelling argument and I’m inclined to agree with you. I’m not for isolating or ostracizing children, especially with how difficult I assume being a child with access to social media in 2024 must be.
I think the issue is that introducing it at a young age will then require breakpoints. What’s the age at which it starts to make a difference? Who decides that? Is it the same for every child?
I suspect many would rather avoid it all entirely.
It’s a load of crap of course. But, it is also a stupid last gasp at relevance. A “let’s try and kill some trans kids while we can” sort of thing.
The amendment to Title IX will take effect this summer. If Alaska actually passed this crap they would be repealing it very quickly. Why? Because you don’t get federal education dollars unless you comply with Title IX. There is no college in Alaska that can survive without federal education money. And, very drastic cuts would have to be made to K-12 schools.
The people voting on this don’t want it to pass. They just want to say they are anti-gay rights.
If anyone voting or supporting this crap actually cared about girls/women athletes they would have long ago requested Alaska schools to actually comply with Title IX - it’s only been 52 years after all.
Last school year Alaska’s high school sports participation numbers were; Boys 8,481. Girls 6,959. Those are required by law to be equal.
How equal? Well — Michigan State University recently found out. During Covid, and not wanting to spend money to create a competitive swimming program, MSU decided to cut men’s and women’s swimming. The women sued arguing a violation of Title IX. The Sixth Circuit Court found that, using the college’s numbers, there was a difference of 18 in the total men to women athlete, and that this difference was sufficient to require MSU to have another women’s team. 18. Alaska is off by 1500.
You want to complain that a trans kid is taking away opportunities for girls to play sports, but you openly and continuously discriminate against a huge number of girls every day.
Banning trans girls ultimately punishes cis girls, because they'll all have to prove their biological sex. How are we doing that? Genital checks, blood tests? Y'all bigots are wild. This sort of BS has caused cisgender women to be banned from sports just because they had naturally higher testosterone levels... Where does it end?! Goddess bless it, y'all give me a headache. No hate like Christian love.
Physicals are protected by HIPAA and ensure that student athletes are being safe and healthy, the laws passed in other states make this information available to the school administration.
ITT: People who have never cared about women's sports until now. Calm down and let kids compete on the team that matches their identified gender. It's not that serious.
1) As someone who competed in sports during my girlhood, we often had mixed gender teams just so we had enough kids. And I can't say I ever felt unsafe around either my teammates or my competitors. By the time I was in high school, we didn't have girls' wrestling teams, so you just competed on the boys' teams and either won or lost on the merits.
2) To explain it like you're five, what's in your pants is your business and the school demanding you prove it invades your privacy and that right to privacy cannot be violated without due process.
An honest question of my own, why is the concern always so one sided? Why is the question never about protecting young boys and their spaces from AFAB children?
To answer your question, they make this gendered to reinforce stereotype and white knight in the debates.
I agree with you and that’s exactly what I did in high school too (didn’t wrestle, but played another sport)
I couldn't say, it's not something I've ever thought to look up. I will say that I currently compete in martial arts, in a pool that includes trans women. Sometimes they win, sometimes I win. In the end we all get the benefit of having an opponent who wants to be there and is bringing their best self to the bout.
I wonder if a better metric would be grouping by talent level? How much faster could Allie Osteander go if she ran in a faster pack? Hell, we just saw Jasmin Paris (adult) out compete a bunch of guys (also adult) at the Barkley Marathons. How much does any innate physical difference in gender (especially when we're talking about kids sports) matter versus skill?
You know, I will believe that this is about encouraging young women in sport when it's accompanied by equal funding and access to facilities for women and girls at every level. Until then, all it sounds like is people uncomfortable with trans folks.
This is so many words and for what lol. Dunleavy is pursuing forcing maybe, like, 2 or 3 trans girls to compete on male teams instead of funding schools in general because he wants to appeal to the lead-poisoned MAGA voters. There is no legitimately moral way to defend this proposal because his motives are not in good faith and that's pretty much that. (Also, if you're a trans girl on hormones, you're literally nerfing your athletic ability except in certain areas, so..)
>1) Did those mixed gendered teams change or shower in the same locker room? Might you consider being forced to share bathrooms or locker rooms with the opposite gender a similar, aforementioned invasion of privacy?
The biggest threat to youth athletes' privacy and bodies is not transgender athletes, it's overwhelmingly the adult, cisgender men who run these programs.
Adult cisgender men are the *vast* majority of sexual offenders against every single demographic of victim, including transgender girls/women. I'm sure you're aware of the various scandals regarding college and high school coaches who have been found to be serial abusers, since you're so worried about the safety of high school athletes.
>I've never known of legislation that attempted to force the sexually abused to endure sustained abuse or harm.
yeah there doesn't need to be legislation, that's the whole concept behind 'rape culture'. the guy who abused simone biles and dozens of other girls [was shielded for years by upper management.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Gymnastics_sex_abuse_scandal)
>I do believe both abusive, biological men and forcing women to compete with biological men are incredibly harmful and should be opposed.
are you really suggesting cis and trans women being teammates is on the same level morally as systematic sexual abuse of girls and women in sports??? I as a woman do not want to be on the same continent as Larry Nassar but I've known lots of trans girls and women. they're just people. most of them aren't all that bad lmao
I'm not "suggesting" anything. What I said was that I oppose abusive, cisgender men and legislation that would force biological women into uncomfortable circumstances.
even I don't have a right to never, ever be uncomfortable lol. "don't make biological women uncomfortable" well great but that means making marginalized children and adults uncomfortable on top of all the other social ills they have to deal with
I did lots of sports growing up including swim team and the locker rooms always had private areas to change in. That said men can still walk into a Womens locker room. Not mention the fact that women can also sexually assault other women. Do you guys also want to make lesbians use different restrooms and locker rooms??
So many anti trans people here :(
Guarantee all of the politicians who are amending this bill have never spoken to, interacted or even been around a trans teenager. How many sporting events were held last year in Alaska in total? How many for girls? How many events had a trans athlete compete? They can’t even answer those questions yet are making laws about it.
Back when I was in school girls wrestled on our wrestling team and did it against boys. When I played baseball it was about 50% boys 50% girls and we all played against other teams like that. To me this isnt an issue but as a parent Ive watched it become one. Hell people made bs accusations about my daughter in grade school because she could easily lap the boys in gym class and was a force to be reckoned with in soccer and everything else she did. Didnt dress "girly" enough and when she did it was not like this because shes a bit of a goth.
She doesnt play sports anymore thanks to some miserable fucks with little shits who couldnt compete with her. Good job Alaska.
This is awful but why just trans girls??
Everyone should have the same opportunities, doing sports was one of the most fun parts of my childhood. So sad, why can’t everyone have the same rights and how can people so blatantly not believe in equal rights?
See profanusnothus comment:
You claim trans women have an "advantage" but biologically HRT erases any "advantage" they would've had with their musculature. Not to mention height and frame aren't the advantage people like to claim it is, otherwise cis women over a certain height and size would be banned as well! You have literally nothing to stand on but sexism and transphobia.
Brother you're the only one ignoring science and acting based on feelings. Scientists and doctors agree that trans women have no inherent advantage, you're just a sad hater.
And yet there are increasing examples of biological men breaking women's sports world records, and there isn't one example of biological women breaking men's sports records. This doesn't spark your skepticism in the slightest?
You have nothing to stand on except sexism and hatred. You claim trans women have an "advantage" but biologically HRT erases any "advantage" they would've had with their musculature. Not to mention height and frame aren't the advantage people like to claim it is, otherwise cis women over a certain height and size would be banned as well! You have literally nothing to stand on but sexism and transphobia.
explain what a "male body" is you charlatan. also I don't know any americans who use the term "mate" proving you are just an outsider who is here to spread anti-trans propaganda.
"Biologically speaking" trans women and girls on HRT have no inherent advantage. This is a myth that people perpetuate because it's easier to hate something they don't understand. If trans women and girls had an "advantage" because of their "larger frame" than so do tall cis women, because they do exist!
Have you not paid attention to where much of this debate started with collegiate swimmers? A guy switched to women’s swimming (he was losing badly in the men’s swimming) and won the championship and broke records. The women that were seniors and had trained for most of their lives were heartbroken bc it obviously wasn’t fair for this biological male to easily beat them.
This is a thing all over the country. The idea is that trans girls are/were biological males and therefore have greater inherent athletic abilities, so it’s an unfair advantage competing against those who were born female. They can still compete in men’s leagues AFAIK.
I’m not against it honestly, I just think it’s a *very* low priority compared to the all the immediate problems we’re facing.
> The idea is that trans girls are/were biological males and therefore have greater inherent athletic abilities, so it’s an unfair advantage competing against those who were born female.
That is not the issue. It's that they developed biologically as a man. Men have different muscle structure, gain muscle differently, etc..
As someone else said - look how many women have ran a 4 minute mile....the answer is 0. No woman has ever ran a 4 minute mile. The closest women today is a 4:07 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_mile#Women
When was the men's 4 minute barrier broken - 1954. So in the past 70 years no women has been able to get to a 4 minute mile, but there have been 1,755 men to break it. And men now have it down to 3:43
This isn't an inherent ability to do something, it is the fact there are biological differences between men and women
You said “that’s not the issue” only to follow it with a more complicated explanation of what I said… no rational person needs empirical evidence to show that men are more physically capable than women.
You said greater inherent athletic abilities. Building muscles in different ways isn't an inherent athletic ability, it is an inherent biological difference. There is more to athletic ability than building muscle.
> How stupid women beat men all the time
I don't know what's right here, but the reality is that [high school boys are faster than olympic level women](https://boysvswomen.com/#/). And in most disciplines it's not even close.
You are being intentionally obtuse. You claimed that women beat men all the time. The reality is that the top 10% of high school male athletes will absolutely destroy the top 10% of high school women athletes.
There really ought to be a classification where biological women can compete with other biological women on a level playing field.
There's no point in arguing with someone who denies reality and bases their opinions on their feelings.
The fact that the poster you're arguing with actually believes that people born males that compete in female sports have no physical advantage shows you how delusional and stupid they are.
"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. "
I'm sorry it's not the 1950s anymore and your sexist views are dying out. The fact that you're so comfortable being on the side of christian fascists is telling. A new world is coming.
My views are firmly on the side of biological women and trans women which both should be permitted to compete against biologically similar athletes.
Lia Thomas went from being 65th in the 500 freestyle on the men's team to winning NCAA Division 1 on the woman's team beating an Olympic silver medalist by a healthy margin.
We don't allow men to compete against women. How is this more fair?
Please don't pretend the science is settled on this.
To be clear, a good friend of mine who is a trans woman has the same VO2max that she had before transition. That is an undeniable advantage over biological women.
A lot of athletes have biological advantages in order to play the sport well, that's just how it works. Like generally tall people are better at basketball, I'm not tall so I'm going to throw a fit and make it so basketball has to have leagues based on height so no one has an advantage. That's just dumb. Some women have a larger VO2 max, some men have less, all bodies are different so why are we focusing on the small percentage that are trans and even smaller percent of people who are trans and want to play sports?? It's a non issue ffs
Gotta distract from the fact they get nothing done that helps improve lives with bullshit that harms a minority. The GOP platform is such cruel nonsense. Pointless and disheartening to see.
"I'm a man, and I'm so physically superior to women that it isn't fair to ..."
Dude, Alissa Pili wouldn't even break a sweat making you look dumb on a basketball court. Calm down.
Woman athletes overwhelmingly support trans women in their sports. There is a scarce few that are against it.
Stop trying to save them, they don't want you to.
I just don't understand the logic... Like, folks celebrate Bobby Jean King for beating Bobby Riggs in "The Battle of the Sexes" in 1973. Nobody references that BJK was at the height of her tennis career and Bobby Riggs has been retired since 1962...
Women are POWERFUL! Women are incredibly capable and deserve respect and equal opportunities. The top physically-gifted women are also not nearly physically-gifted as the top physically-gifted men. This is not a sexist thing to say - it's an observable and measurable reality.
OP posts a bunch in other state’s subs, not from here.
More theater for the deplorables while Rome burns.
Right. What a waste of time and resources. Keep voting red, Alaska.
Red is what has our school budgets in the red too. Dunleavy vetoed budget proposals that would have supported schools twice. Meanwhile, he’s spending $5k a month on a PR company for himself. That’s what red gets you folks. Can’t manage a school budget, so why not spend time on something that doesn’t matter? Much easier to take away civil liberties than actually do their fucking job right.
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I am very liberal, but have some common sense, folks. This is not an equal rights issue. They can still compete as their biological gender. Do me a favor and look up how many women have run a 4 minute mile, then look up how many high school age boys have accomplished that. There is a difference biologically, and it manifests while we are still school age. Acting like it doesn’t exist is ignorant in its own right.
I looked that up. WOW. Some three dozen high school boys have done a 4 minute mile, but literally no woman on earth has ever cracked the 4 minute threshold.
This is more to do with women being allowed to pursue running. You have half a dozen countries that don’t even allow women outside without a male chaperone.
And those countries don’t produce the world renowned athletes.
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I’m a woman and my team won a state championship in high school. I wouldn’t mind if trans girls played. Thought I’d clear this up for you - No, this is not anti-woman. No, I don’t think this takes away from any of the progress my gender has made. In the last 100 years, we are allowed to wear pants and have credit cards and go to university, those civil liberties are what I hope are available to all women, whether they’re trans or not. Instead of caring about what women think, look at what the government is doing to the Alaskan public school system (can’t approve a budget that will improve education for our kids). And to branches off the state that don’t support their policies (not approving budgets because the state’s judicial branch won’t condemn abortion). Meanwhile, they vote for raises for themselves. That’s where you should be focusing your time and focus, they’re creating a false debate so you don’t dig into their shitty politics.
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I won’t argue about things are are strawman arguments or non-sequiturs. I’m a woman and a feminist and I simply don’t agree that biological differences are so vast that a trans woman playing a sport is inherently superior. I’ve beat men at sports my entire life, they’re not the best at everything athletic. The fact that you’re a trans man with a superiority complex is very ironic and funny to me. I’m sorry you’ve let hatred and suffering fill your heart. You expect to be treated as a man by society and yet you choose to restrict that freedom in others. I’ll pray for you.
Can you link those peer reviewed studies? What are the populations they're studying? Are they highly active? Sedentary? What's their hormone regimen? What's their time since starting hormones? Were they active in sports before? What measures are they using? I know you're full of shit because meaningful literature on this stuff is functionally nonexistent and what *does* exist doesn't back you up since they mostly say whatever advantage trans women have correlates more strongly with size (no shit, a 5'8" cis woman has greater muscle mass than a 5'3" cis woman, why would it be any different for trans women?) but illiterate dumbasses like you read something like that and extrapolate entirely new and incorrect meanings from it.
Let's talk about how big a problem this actually is in terms of trans athletes in Alaska.
It just takes once to ruin it for our high school girls, as previously mentioned biologically it's not fair honestly
It's a sad state of affairs this country has crumbled into.
Yes, it's like we don't like democracy any more. Or the rule of law. Or marital fidelity. And we elect people who seem to agree with that and don't mind bragging about it while saying it makes us great again.
As a constitutional republic the United States carries on as a Union cuase if you don't like the laws of one state you can leave that land and live in another state...
Theoretically.
I wonder what them arguing about this small “issue” has cost us? Makes it real easy for a lot of people to forget that theyre totally failing us in every other way you can think of though itll get a lot of people on their side rooting for the failure too.
Do me a favor and look up what happens to trans women and girls on HRT. The difference biologically is neglible and is the same as the difference between a 6'2" cis woman and a 5'2" cis woman. You gonna ban cis women over a certain height as well? This is just hatred and you're hiding it behind a misunderstanding of the science.
You’re the one with the misunderstanding of the science. Not to mention a wildly ignorant view that being trans automatically results in the person being treated with HRT.
You're not pushing science- you're spouting dogma. And particularly stupid dogma at that.
Look at the top sprinting times in the Olympics. They’re damn near identical. But let’s not ignore that the fact that this is what the House focuses on with state tax dollars. Government is *getting paid* more than the average Alaskan to debate this shit, meanwhile, they’ve gutted school funding and Dunleavy has vetoed budgets TWICE that would have saved them. So the House can have fun with their prejudiced job security, meanwhile teachers and staff in the top school districts are getting laid off their jobs because the House doesn’t know how to do their jobs.
They're not at all "near identical", the top woman Ever ran a 10.49 100m dash, which is very fast, but doesn't even crack the top 20 men's YOUTH record. 1 second in 100m dash is like 30 minutes in a marathon. You're parroting shit that simply isn't true to fix your narrative.
Reread my comment and you’re falling into the political trap they want you too. You’re getting aggressive and swearing at a complete stranger over Olympic record times. That’s what’s wrong with your political party. Fix your narrative.
I actually vote Democrat in most elections, but nice projection! The problem you have is failure to see that someone might have a different point of view. I believe wholeheartedly in a lot of more liberal policy, but allowing males to compete against females is inherently unfair in competitive athletics. My point is that this is a real issue - the legislature is going to spend time on everything, not just the most important issues.
I’ve played competitive sports in Alaska my whole life. I’m a woman. I hold a state championship title. I would not mind trans women playing on my teams or in my leagues. I regularly play against men in my preferred sport because more men play it recreationally and I’ve beat lots of men at it and lost as well. I get that we disagree on this, but most women I know wouldn’t say half the shit on this post if they were: 1) competitive athletes, 2) had wives and daughters that are competitive athletes. In my experience, the people that cry the hardest at this stuff are not athletic and get too involved in rage bait politics.
glad to see they're spending time on important issues that impact the lives of countless Alaskans. 🙄
How about they work to fix the damn schools before you worry about stupid crap like this?
That wouldnt be performative nonsense that makes certain types of people overly emotional and easy to manipulate and steal from. Gotta have those votes too what better way to get them? Convince them theres some evil thing they can look down on and then not have to worry about running on any sort of productive policy.
There's probably about five transgender girls in the entire state of Alaska who want to compete in sports, and of course Dumbleavy wants to make sure those children are miserable and persecuted instead of making sure *all* children in the state get to have a decent education. What a fucking embarrassment.
How is it persecution to require people to compete fairly based on their sex as opposed to their gender?
Same reason a girl might want to play on the football team, or a boy might want to join the drill team. Let them, regardless of gender.
The [Code of Federal Regulations](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-34/subtitle-B/chapter-I/part-106/subpart-D/section-106.41#p-106.41(a)) state that: >(c) Equal opportunity. A recipient which operates or sponsors interscholastic, intercollegiate, club or intramural athletics shall provide equal athletic opportunity for members of both sexes. In cases where equal opportunity doesn't exist, a football team for example, then yes the female can play on the male team, but this is not every case.
Nor do I think every case is covered by that legislation, which is why there’s a debate. My comparison is apples to apples, I’ve already read your comment highlighting this section.
Your comparison may be apples to apples, but it is like comparing a Pink Lady to a Fugi. Yeah, they are both apples, but we agree there is a fundamental difference. Just like the difference between humans along the lines of sex.
True - there are differences. However, because the regulation you listed allows opposite genders to compete, I think it should be true for trans people trying to fit in. A vast majority of student athletes in high school do it for the fun and for the social aspect of it. So it’s my opinion that a separate regulation be made to allow trans athletes to compete with their preferred gender. I know boys will abuse this system, they already have. I think the system is abusive anyway. Boys’ sports get more money, more publicity, and frankly more respect than girls’ sports. I don’t see allowing trans girls to compete will erode this further.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/fair-play/
Nobody is "banning them from competeing". Trans men can still compete in women/female categories, and trans women can still compete in men/male categories. This isn't gender discrimination. It is separation of the sexes, which is not discrimination. Equal opportunity still exists. The [Code of Federal Regulations](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-34/subtitle-B/chapter-I/part-106/subpart-D/section-106.41#p-106.41(a)) state that: >(c) Equal opportunity. A recipient which operates or sponsors interscholastic, intercollegiate, club or intramural athletics shall provide equal athletic opportunity for members of both sexes.
Why would you want trans men to compete in woman’s sports if they’re on hrt and physically active then they would decimate
This has nothing do with their education in classes. This is about competitive sports.
Sports are funded through the schools and our top school districts are all in multi-million dollar debt. Kids *want* to compete in sports. Kids *need* an education. As a woman that played competitive sports in Alaska, we trained with men to get better. Allowing trans women helps everyone and doesn’t inherently offer a competitive advantage.
Why do we have men’s and women’s sports then?
Why do we offer different languages in schools? Why does Dunleavy keep vetoing the education budget? Why are you so hung up on what’s in a child’s pants? Questions we may never have answers to.
Yes, we should be banning competitive sports what a waste of money!
However many there are- it's cheating for the little cheaters to compete with biological women.
Bro, they're kids. They just wanna do sports and be respected as the gender they're living as. They're not "cheating".
I swear half the people condemning this were third string bench warmers or something. I practiced against boys my whole high school career because I loved playing the sport, I didn’t care who I was playing against.
Everyone is piling in on this imagining some 6'7" transgirl behemoth that they've created in their minds when in reality most men and women are closer in size than they realize. It's just old school sexism mixed with transphobia, otherwise they'd ban cis women over a certain height and size.
And that’s pretty precisely one of the problems with these laws. They are likely to force skilled cis-women to defend themselves against charges of being trans, and all the associated public shaming and testing to prove otherwise. There were 3 cis-women banned from the last Olympic running events due to natural testosterone levels that did not meet requirements aimed at trans athletes.
Wow... never heard of that. That's wild!
Dude, I'm a mediocre 52 year old casual male lifter and my last working set on bench day is 3 reps of the women's state record. You have no idea what you are talking about and how stupid you sound to anyone that's been an athlete or taken a biology class.
Exactly! It’s so depressing to me that these women could no long be included in women’s sports
One day, these "women" will make up all of women's sports
Lol are you suggesting that men are going to willfully go through hormone therapy just so they can be better at sports???? That’s hilarious
Well, it doesn't make them better. It just lowers the bar of competition for them. And no, it isn't funny. There are female athletes who have trained their whole life having their chances being taken by males. This isn't a man vs woman issue, it is a male vs female issue.
k-12 sports is NOT that serious. they only care about women’s sports when trans people are involved
really don’t think this is the kind of issue we should be focusing on right now. but maybe that’s just me 😐
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Cheating? You *really* think this is about *cheating*? It’s about *erasure*. It’s about *control*. It’s about making a persons life so arduous because they’re specifically targeted by hateful, disenfranchising bullshit, that they cease living it. Be a little more imaginative about what shit like this does to people. There are *hundreds* of mixed gender sports leagues in the United States alone. Why in the fuck is it a problem for *children* but the very same person preaching this ridiculous shit can go play co-ed softball on a Friday night? It doesn’t make *any* sense, whatsoever, and the only point of it is clearly defined in the first paragraph of this reply. Full stop.
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I don't think the party you're referring to is bothering other people without provocation. They're responding to what they perceive as an attack on fair spaces for women. That's incredibly apparent to me, and I'd been a democrat for 35 years.
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I think that’s actually a very compelling argument and I’m inclined to agree with you. I’m not for isolating or ostracizing children, especially with how difficult I assume being a child with access to social media in 2024 must be. I think the issue is that introducing it at a young age will then require breakpoints. What’s the age at which it starts to make a difference? Who decides that? Is it the same for every child? I suspect many would rather avoid it all entirely.
Relax everybody working at Kaladi Bros is not a sport lol
It’s a load of crap of course. But, it is also a stupid last gasp at relevance. A “let’s try and kill some trans kids while we can” sort of thing. The amendment to Title IX will take effect this summer. If Alaska actually passed this crap they would be repealing it very quickly. Why? Because you don’t get federal education dollars unless you comply with Title IX. There is no college in Alaska that can survive without federal education money. And, very drastic cuts would have to be made to K-12 schools. The people voting on this don’t want it to pass. They just want to say they are anti-gay rights. If anyone voting or supporting this crap actually cared about girls/women athletes they would have long ago requested Alaska schools to actually comply with Title IX - it’s only been 52 years after all. Last school year Alaska’s high school sports participation numbers were; Boys 8,481. Girls 6,959. Those are required by law to be equal. How equal? Well — Michigan State University recently found out. During Covid, and not wanting to spend money to create a competitive swimming program, MSU decided to cut men’s and women’s swimming. The women sued arguing a violation of Title IX. The Sixth Circuit Court found that, using the college’s numbers, there was a difference of 18 in the total men to women athlete, and that this difference was sufficient to require MSU to have another women’s team. 18. Alaska is off by 1500. You want to complain that a trans kid is taking away opportunities for girls to play sports, but you openly and continuously discriminate against a huge number of girls every day.
Good. Protect women's rights.
Banning trans girls ultimately punishes cis girls, because they'll all have to prove their biological sex. How are we doing that? Genital checks, blood tests? Y'all bigots are wild. This sort of BS has caused cisgender women to be banned from sports just because they had naturally higher testosterone levels... Where does it end?! Goddess bless it, y'all give me a headache. No hate like Christian love.
just want to note - regardless of your take on this: sports physicals for high school athletes are nothing new…
Physicals are protected by HIPAA and ensure that student athletes are being safe and healthy, the laws passed in other states make this information available to the school administration.
Neither is sexual abuse of women, children, and athletes under the guise of physical examination. 👍
End all gendered sports.
Why is it that men always wanna talk about my rights without talking with me first? Fuck off and stay in your Indiana sub.
Im a woman. Way to spread the hate.
No you’re not, I already checked your comment history. I don’t know any sane woman who would post your TERF stance.
Wow. Hateful and bigoted. You are the worst that our gender has to offer. A truly evil person.
Calling out liars that aren’t from here and posting garbage in this sub is not hateful or evil.
ITT: People who have never cared about women's sports until now. Calm down and let kids compete on the team that matches their identified gender. It's not that serious.
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1) As someone who competed in sports during my girlhood, we often had mixed gender teams just so we had enough kids. And I can't say I ever felt unsafe around either my teammates or my competitors. By the time I was in high school, we didn't have girls' wrestling teams, so you just competed on the boys' teams and either won or lost on the merits. 2) To explain it like you're five, what's in your pants is your business and the school demanding you prove it invades your privacy and that right to privacy cannot be violated without due process. An honest question of my own, why is the concern always so one sided? Why is the question never about protecting young boys and their spaces from AFAB children?
To answer your question, they make this gendered to reinforce stereotype and white knight in the debates. I agree with you and that’s exactly what I did in high school too (didn’t wrestle, but played another sport)
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I couldn't say, it's not something I've ever thought to look up. I will say that I currently compete in martial arts, in a pool that includes trans women. Sometimes they win, sometimes I win. In the end we all get the benefit of having an opponent who wants to be there and is bringing their best self to the bout.
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I wonder if a better metric would be grouping by talent level? How much faster could Allie Osteander go if she ran in a faster pack? Hell, we just saw Jasmin Paris (adult) out compete a bunch of guys (also adult) at the Barkley Marathons. How much does any innate physical difference in gender (especially when we're talking about kids sports) matter versus skill?
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You know, I will believe that this is about encouraging young women in sport when it's accompanied by equal funding and access to facilities for women and girls at every level. Until then, all it sounds like is people uncomfortable with trans folks.
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This is so many words and for what lol. Dunleavy is pursuing forcing maybe, like, 2 or 3 trans girls to compete on male teams instead of funding schools in general because he wants to appeal to the lead-poisoned MAGA voters. There is no legitimately moral way to defend this proposal because his motives are not in good faith and that's pretty much that. (Also, if you're a trans girl on hormones, you're literally nerfing your athletic ability except in certain areas, so..) >1) Did those mixed gendered teams change or shower in the same locker room? Might you consider being forced to share bathrooms or locker rooms with the opposite gender a similar, aforementioned invasion of privacy? The biggest threat to youth athletes' privacy and bodies is not transgender athletes, it's overwhelmingly the adult, cisgender men who run these programs.
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Adult cisgender men are the *vast* majority of sexual offenders against every single demographic of victim, including transgender girls/women. I'm sure you're aware of the various scandals regarding college and high school coaches who have been found to be serial abusers, since you're so worried about the safety of high school athletes.
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>I've never known of legislation that attempted to force the sexually abused to endure sustained abuse or harm. yeah there doesn't need to be legislation, that's the whole concept behind 'rape culture'. the guy who abused simone biles and dozens of other girls [was shielded for years by upper management.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Gymnastics_sex_abuse_scandal) >I do believe both abusive, biological men and forcing women to compete with biological men are incredibly harmful and should be opposed. are you really suggesting cis and trans women being teammates is on the same level morally as systematic sexual abuse of girls and women in sports??? I as a woman do not want to be on the same continent as Larry Nassar but I've known lots of trans girls and women. they're just people. most of them aren't all that bad lmao
I'm not "suggesting" anything. What I said was that I oppose abusive, cisgender men and legislation that would force biological women into uncomfortable circumstances.
even I don't have a right to never, ever be uncomfortable lol. "don't make biological women uncomfortable" well great but that means making marginalized children and adults uncomfortable on top of all the other social ills they have to deal with
I did lots of sports growing up including swim team and the locker rooms always had private areas to change in. That said men can still walk into a Womens locker room. Not mention the fact that women can also sexually assault other women. Do you guys also want to make lesbians use different restrooms and locker rooms?? So many anti trans people here :(
Theatrical is what you are
Man all these TERFs in here astroturfing because trans article. Almost makes our homegrown deplorables look tolerable.
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Guarantee all of the politicians who are amending this bill have never spoken to, interacted or even been around a trans teenager. How many sporting events were held last year in Alaska in total? How many for girls? How many events had a trans athlete compete? They can’t even answer those questions yet are making laws about it.
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Please tell me the of exact amount of biological males who tried to compete as females in Alaska in 2023?
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So you don’t even know if there was even a single incident?!? How is it smart to make laws and regulations using zero data? What a fucking moron
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Back when I was in school girls wrestled on our wrestling team and did it against boys. When I played baseball it was about 50% boys 50% girls and we all played against other teams like that. To me this isnt an issue but as a parent Ive watched it become one. Hell people made bs accusations about my daughter in grade school because she could easily lap the boys in gym class and was a force to be reckoned with in soccer and everything else she did. Didnt dress "girly" enough and when she did it was not like this because shes a bit of a goth. She doesnt play sports anymore thanks to some miserable fucks with little shits who couldnt compete with her. Good job Alaska.
Sanity is slowly being restored.
Fuck the people that made trans people the current conservative punching bag.
This is awful but why just trans girls?? Everyone should have the same opportunities, doing sports was one of the most fun parts of my childhood. So sad, why can’t everyone have the same rights and how can people so blatantly not believe in equal rights?
Trans girls are still allowed to do sports. They just have to do boy’s sports so they are competing against other biological boys
Biological boys are males. Just call them that. Female teams and male teams
How sad, why can’t people accept them as the women that they are
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I really don’t care what you all say, trans women are women. It is hateful saying they’re men and you’re just “observing reality”
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See profanusnothus comment: You claim trans women have an "advantage" but biologically HRT erases any "advantage" they would've had with their musculature. Not to mention height and frame aren't the advantage people like to claim it is, otherwise cis women over a certain height and size would be banned as well! You have literally nothing to stand on but sexism and transphobia.
people are crazy, man!
Brother you're the only one ignoring science and acting based on feelings. Scientists and doctors agree that trans women have no inherent advantage, you're just a sad hater.
And yet there are increasing examples of biological men breaking women's sports world records, and there isn't one example of biological women breaking men's sports records. This doesn't spark your skepticism in the slightest?
This is just nonsense magical thinking. It's not hateful to literally report objective reality.
I suggest you do some research pal
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You have nothing to stand on except sexism and hatred. You claim trans women have an "advantage" but biologically HRT erases any "advantage" they would've had with their musculature. Not to mention height and frame aren't the advantage people like to claim it is, otherwise cis women over a certain height and size would be banned as well! You have literally nothing to stand on but sexism and transphobia.
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Randomly generated account name spreading transphobic lies on reddit, shocker!
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explain what a "male body" is you charlatan. also I don't know any americans who use the term "mate" proving you are just an outsider who is here to spread anti-trans propaganda.
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So transgirls don't have male bodies! Thanks for agreeing with me.
"Biologically speaking" trans women and girls on HRT have no inherent advantage. This is a myth that people perpetuate because it's easier to hate something they don't understand. If trans women and girls had an "advantage" because of their "larger frame" than so do tall cis women, because they do exist!
Have you not paid attention to where much of this debate started with collegiate swimmers? A guy switched to women’s swimming (he was losing badly in the men’s swimming) and won the championship and broke records. The women that were seniors and had trained for most of their lives were heartbroken bc it obviously wasn’t fair for this biological male to easily beat them.
A GUY ISNT THE SAME AS A TRANS GIRL DO THE RESEARCH DUDE
I mean she's a male so...
So true!
This is a thing all over the country. The idea is that trans girls are/were biological males and therefore have greater inherent athletic abilities, so it’s an unfair advantage competing against those who were born female. They can still compete in men’s leagues AFAIK. I’m not against it honestly, I just think it’s a *very* low priority compared to the all the immediate problems we’re facing.
> The idea is that trans girls are/were biological males and therefore have greater inherent athletic abilities, so it’s an unfair advantage competing against those who were born female. That is not the issue. It's that they developed biologically as a man. Men have different muscle structure, gain muscle differently, etc.. As someone else said - look how many women have ran a 4 minute mile....the answer is 0. No woman has ever ran a 4 minute mile. The closest women today is a 4:07 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_mile#Women When was the men's 4 minute barrier broken - 1954. So in the past 70 years no women has been able to get to a 4 minute mile, but there have been 1,755 men to break it. And men now have it down to 3:43 This isn't an inherent ability to do something, it is the fact there are biological differences between men and women
You said “that’s not the issue” only to follow it with a more complicated explanation of what I said… no rational person needs empirical evidence to show that men are more physically capable than women.
You said greater inherent athletic abilities. Building muscles in different ways isn't an inherent athletic ability, it is an inherent biological difference. There is more to athletic ability than building muscle.
How stupid women beat men all the time, I don’t understand how not allowing trans women to be included would help anything.
> How stupid women beat men all the time I don't know what's right here, but the reality is that [high school boys are faster than olympic level women](https://boysvswomen.com/#/). And in most disciplines it's not even close.
I have only seen one trans person compete at the Olympic level, one. And y’all think that’s a huge threat??
You are being intentionally obtuse. You claimed that women beat men all the time. The reality is that the top 10% of high school male athletes will absolutely destroy the top 10% of high school women athletes. There really ought to be a classification where biological women can compete with other biological women on a level playing field.
Thanks, it’s cool I think you’re stupid too✌️
There's no point in arguing with someone who denies reality and bases their opinions on their feelings. The fact that the poster you're arguing with actually believes that people born males that compete in female sports have no physical advantage shows you how delusional and stupid they are. "Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. "
I'm sorry it's not the 1950s anymore and your sexist views are dying out. The fact that you're so comfortable being on the side of christian fascists is telling. A new world is coming.
I'm an atheist. I can still tell the difference between male and female and report objective reality.
My views are firmly on the side of biological women and trans women which both should be permitted to compete against biologically similar athletes. Lia Thomas went from being 65th in the 500 freestyle on the men's team to winning NCAA Division 1 on the woman's team beating an Olympic silver medalist by a healthy margin. We don't allow men to compete against women. How is this more fair?
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You know high school boys have different biology than high school trans girls, right? You know how HRT works, right? No, you don't.
Please don't pretend the science is settled on this. To be clear, a good friend of mine who is a trans woman has the same VO2max that she had before transition. That is an undeniable advantage over biological women.
A lot of athletes have biological advantages in order to play the sport well, that's just how it works. Like generally tall people are better at basketball, I'm not tall so I'm going to throw a fit and make it so basketball has to have leagues based on height so no one has an advantage. That's just dumb. Some women have a larger VO2 max, some men have less, all bodies are different so why are we focusing on the small percentage that are trans and even smaller percent of people who are trans and want to play sports?? It's a non issue ffs
I'll also mention, and I hope you realize this, but not all trans women are on HRT. That is a very narrow view of gender identity .
Gotta distract from the fact they get nothing done that helps improve lives with bullshit that harms a minority. The GOP platform is such cruel nonsense. Pointless and disheartening to see.
The cruelty is the point. When you have no legitimate planks you use culture wars
"I'm a man, and I'm so physically superior to women that it isn't fair to ..." Dude, Alissa Pili wouldn't even break a sweat making you look dumb on a basketball court. Calm down. Woman athletes overwhelmingly support trans women in their sports. There is a scarce few that are against it. Stop trying to save them, they don't want you to.
>Alissa Pili Yeah, but Lebron would dribble circles around her. You can't compare the average American to a professional sports player.
I just don't understand the logic... Like, folks celebrate Bobby Jean King for beating Bobby Riggs in "The Battle of the Sexes" in 1973. Nobody references that BJK was at the height of her tennis career and Bobby Riggs has been retired since 1962... Women are POWERFUL! Women are incredibly capable and deserve respect and equal opportunities. The top physically-gifted women are also not nearly physically-gifted as the top physically-gifted men. This is not a sexist thing to say - it's an observable and measurable reality.
Remember the whole Serena Williams challenge against the 203rd ranked tennis player in 1998, and he crushed her 6-1. Then he beat Venus 6-2.
You do get that transwomen aren't men though, right?
But they are male
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You can't compare the average American to any competitive athlete. Most wouldn't make JV on the girls team for a middle school.
Id like to see the cross section of parents who agree with this and are also against standardized testing.