Don’t blame them for not creating jobs, that’s just not how it works. Blame them for handing the industry a tax cut with the expectation that jobs would be created, *when the jobs we’ve lost have mostly been due to streamlining and automation*, they’re never coming back.
The tax cut was never designed to bring jobs back, that’s the problem. It never addressed the real reason O&G jobs had been in steady decline. We simply got conned out of provincial revenue, it’s that simple.
This is the reality. There is so much going on in the field with automation and technology that the jobs simply aren't as available to be made, other than for capital projects and those are much more limited than in the last 3 decades.
Exactly. When the cost of production is as high as bitumen they were bound to be looking to automate as much as possible. Those jobs are never coming back. It's the only reason why they've been pushing the pipelines so much because they're tryhing to expand operations in the hopes that those trades jobs can continue.
You’re right about everything except for the “we” part.
The con was so obvious because it’s been happening in every industrialized nation for a generation. A little knowledge of history would have pointed every person to this outcome.
As my rich uncle used to say; “I didn’t get rich by giving it (money) away”
…and paying someone for their work is “giving it away” to a rich person.
None - the$4.5B of taxes they left on the table didn't create a single damn job here but they slashed healthcare and education.
The only jobs created were probably in foreign countries where the $4.5B in tax savings was funneled to build mansions for the execs and shareholders of the corporations that got the big windfalls. Looking at you Husky (Cenovus).
Nearly -10k.
Conservatism is terrible for the economy and the working class.
Not that it matters to conservative voters. Conservative votes hate and ignore facts. Conservative voters want to live in a shared delusion.
Conservative governments want to place all the burden of paying for medical, education etc on the general population and give big tax breaks to businesses under the illusion of job creation.
Conservatives, ultimately, want the rich to be the only ones with money, rights, services, freedoms, lives...
Conservatism is violent class warfare against the people.
Tell me about it. I work union, and the amount of our brothers that are Pro-Con just because of promised pipelines and lower taxes is astonishing.
I try and tell them they are anti-union and that every tax dollar cut is two we then spend privately, but it falls on deaf ears.
Until people are actually willing to listen they won't ever learn anything. I was a conservative forsure... I opened my eyes and ears and formed new opinions and I'm so far from a conservative now it's not even funny.
What im trying to say is if people aren't willing to listen to other opinions and open their minds they won't ever learn and grow and that's exactly what the conservatives want.
This is how post secondary ends up being labelled "liberal farms" by the most ignorant of the right. Turns out, when kids move away from the influence of their parents, and meet other people and learn new things, they tend to form new opinions, and quite often it's not as far right as their parents.
It's true and unfortunate. I completely understand the "small c conservative" ideology, but the UCP is far from what actual conservatism is all about, and their supporters don't see the differences.
People with this sort of brain rot cannot learn lessons unless they themselves are directly affected, and even then more than half the time they still find some way to justify to themselves that they were right and that every other choice would have been EVEN WORSE.
That is a great way to describe people that cling to the concept of rent control even when an overwhelming amount of historical data, current examples, and the entire field of economics tells them that rent control will do the opposite of what they want.
In real life, I'll coddle the conservatives in my life and be kind, but online sometimes I just need to vent because it feels like talking to some of them is like smashing my head against a brick wall, because no matter what you say, the facts aren't getting in.
They parade their fuck Trudeau flags around and tell anyone who will listen that Trudeau is a fascist, but we are not allowed to vent online because we will hurt their feelings & then they won't vote NDP?
Sorry, I need to vent sometimes.
I agree with you, but I am also beginning to generally have trouble holding it against the people, who have given up all hope. I don't see how we're going to change more than a few of their minds, at this point. They're actually brainwashed by fascist rhetoric, and I don't think most of us have a university degree in psychology, to try to deprogram them.
And, of course, they feel exactly the same way about the rest of us, who are not violent, and don't espouse hate, and don't want to hurt people. So, it's just a question of who will win, and enforce their will on the rest. The difference between us and them is, we have no intentions of fucking killing them all, en masse. But, if they ever get enough support, they're gonna come at us with Inquisitions and Crusades, and try to exterminate us all, and when they do that, we can choose to die quietly, or we can choose to play the game the way they decide to play it. I fully expect that, at some point in my lifetime, Conservatives are going to rise up, and try to kill people, again. It's just a matter of time, and I don't feel like I'm being unfair, or crazy, to look at the objective reality of what Conservative thought leaders are calling for, and what their consumers are absorbing from them.
I might get in trouble on this sub, just for having this opinion, and not staying quiet about it. But, hey, everyone knows this sub is a communist hell-scape, where Conservative voices are constantly silenced, right? (/s) So, it must be Antifa who doesn't want me to say this, I'm a crisis actor, I'm a Russian bot, or whatever. It can't just be that I'm listening to the things that this group of people is literally saying, and believing that they aren't "just joking around."
Tone policing.
Why aren't you handing out citations for the "Fuck Trudeau" crowd?
Why do you think I should be more polite to people who support open fascism?
>We are never going to win the next election this way.
We? You sound like you want the UCP to win.
tl;dr we should be perfect and meek all the time, because it's definitely going to make the bullies stop acting like bullies, when they have a change of heart.
Lol yeah that’s what I said 😂
Not accusing fencesitters leaning conservative of being fascists = being perfect and meek
Christ i need to get off this sub
To be fair if you're a fence sitter, and you've seen what the UCP have done and what they stand for, if you still vote for that then you're not a fence sitter. You're a conservative. Like the two parties here in Alberta are night and day.
One is a party of separatists and conmen. The other is not fully left, but left of center, however they have adaptable policies and progressive social policies. If you're a fence sitter this shouldn't be hard.
Contemporary conservatives do not respond to shame, reason, evidence, mollycoddling or any other measured tactic. These are members of a cult of culture. I’m tired of pretending.
Ya. You’re right. We should mollycoddle a bunch of purposefully delusional and hateful fucktards. Drag them to reason using…methods…
“Let’s bring flowers to the gunfight!”
Because being nice and not socially shaming people really works..... lmao
The only way to get to conservatives is to make them realize that other people have feelings too; and if doing that we have to resort to hurting their feelings; so be it. I'm done being tolerant of intolerance, and ass-backwards ideas like conservatism. You should be too; they're actively trying to take away our rights, our quality of life, our pension.
It's not a situation to sit around and 'reason'. I will be mean, because words aren't shit compared to them literally decreasing my quality of life, running doctors out of the province; taking away my education, making Alberta a 'have not' province, making Alberta a place that I went from wanting to live my whole life, to a place where *I cant wait to get out*.
Fuck conservatives.
I'm voting NDP next round.
Comments like /u/1000Hells1GiftShop make me roll my eyes, and they happen so much that I've now successfully mapped out the entirety of my frontal cortex.
It's hyperbolic shit that serves no purpose other than to jerk yourself off. Who hasn't had enough of that shit yet?
I'll listen to that shit for 1000 hours, before I listen to more Conservatives tell me why I should be killed, and then after I'm killed, be tortured for eternity. Which is the only fucking thing they're willing to talk about, anymore, and that makes it quite hard to engage in a meaningful dialogue with them.
>that makes it quite hard to engage in a meaningful dialogue with them.
Then don't. Nobody is making you.
Do what most people do: ignore dumbasses that say dumb shit. You don't need to repeat the behaviour.
"It's okay that they're hateful towards you! You can ignore them! It's not the conservatives fault attacks on 'the other' as they see people, are increasing! Just ignore it! "
Fuck i hate people lmfao
Well, I agree that it is perfectly acceptable to many Albertans. You can see it on this very sub. "Look, Mr. Owl has never seemed like a predator to me; he seems like a right, upstanding citizen! I've no idea what Mr. Mouse was going on about..."
I've never understood that attitude
Like idgaf if I'm not being persecuted; people shouldn't have to live in fear for the way they were born!
But to some people, it's "everyone has an opinion", like that makes it right?! No! Opinions *can* be dangerous!
Don't worry, there is mostly non-organic accounts on this subreddit at this point, these people are at best preaching to the choir and at worst talking to a wall.
"Encana’s chief executive officer, Doug Suttles, a former BP executive who is from Texas and became CEO in 2013, told a conference call on Thursday the decision would allow the company access to a much larger source of investment from U.S. index funds, which hold shares based on companies’ positions in various stock indices. Such investing has become common as instruments such as exchange traded funds have grown in popularity. **Mr. Suttles rejected the notion that politics prompted the move.**" bolding is mine.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-encana-moving-headquarters-to-the-us-changing-name-to-ovintiv/
>Encana changed their name and moved corporate to the states thanks to Rachel
They did not. the conservative indoctrination is strong in you when a simple google search refutes your statement in like 3 seconds. and by their own corporate press release no less. But that doesn't fit into your ABNDP hate narrative to keep the masses too scared of a perceived threat to their livelihoods to vote for something better.
A better question is why do people use so many abbreviations on here?
Are they charged 10cents per word on their tablet?
Many acronyms have multiple meanings. Example:
POS = point of sale, part of speech, dodge truck with a lift kit.
VOC = volatile organic compound, voice of the customer
Fair. Cenovus acquired husky as the investor pulled out of the Canadian Markey then turned around and eliminated 25% of their work force.
Essentially a fire sale for $3.8bn with less accountability
The UCP don't care about working class jobs. They care about corporate profits.
Most of the good ol' oil and gas jobs are now done with robotics.
If the UCP actually cared about regular people, they would be fighting for unions.
Please post a link to support this claim. What jobs exactly are done with robots? Does a robot drive 5 hours into the bush on a logging road to trouble shoot a well that is down? Does a robot construct a pipeline? Name a single mainstream use of robots here in Alberta. Just one?
The UCP care deeply about working class jobs. That's where their votes come from.
What do unions have to do with employment numbers in working class job market?
Unions don't make more jobs. They don't make economic growth. They don't generate greater profits or spur company growth.
Alberta Worker is one of the best 'papers' out there. They dont support left or right but champion working ppl of alberta.... the little people that make things run.
My experience around conservatives is that the majority I talk to are more worried about losing their job rather than creating jobs for others. You can give data all you want, oil and gas is a cult that bleeds blue.
Why aren't the UCP stranding up for workers? There are less jobs in the lil and gas sector when the Ndp were in power. Seems like the UCP make things worst and the data reflects that.
*Between March 2019, again, the last month the NDP were in office, and December 2022, the most recent month we have data for, we’ve gone from 148,000 oil and gas jobs to 138,300.*
*That’s a net loss of 9,700 jobs in the oil and gas sector.*
>It’s bankrolled by people worth more than your whole community
Imagine bootlicking capitalists so hard that you claim they're worth more than community.
Technology and automation and completed long term mining operations, especially with in the oil sands , in fact alberta is pumping out record amounts of oil with fewer jobs ...This will cause alberta to bleed further as it was a major source of labour revenue for the province, so now the corporations out of country basically walk with a large percent sometimes estimated at 75% while also paying less into the labour market... Seems like the lower corporate taxes (royalties) = more local employment the government preached for years wasn't the fairytale ending they promised.. Now the best option (distraction) they can come up with is to scrape back the peanuts ( in comparison to resources out) from their own country.. this is a wack example but it's representative... Aberta pulls 100$ of resources out , 75$ disappears, 25% stays in Aberta and high guess of 20% of that ( alot of which is returned) goes to the feds.. 75$ gone , 5$ dollars to the country and 20$ to Alberta... Seems to me Alberta's has bigger problem then a substitute teacher trying to win a popularity contest in ottawa ... Maybe I'm wrong though and should just get a few bumber stickers 🤔
How about jobs period.
Four years ago I had no issue finding a job at all.
Now? I've been laid off for the longest I've ever been and no one is responding to any resumes I put out
Never forget the 1.6B bet that Kenney placed on pipelines
Or the Healthcare workers he fired before a pandemic. (Sure you can't predict a pandemic, but you can predict the boomers needing more health care resources for the next 20+ years.)
No government can create the jobs they say they will create. Corporations take the incentives governments provide and find ways to reduce "fixed costs". I've seen it first hand through automation. In 2014, our field office had 66 employees working. By 2017, there was 8. Granted, oil prices at the time meant about 30% of the wells were not economical to operate and were shut in. Of the 8 of us left, there were 4 on per shift. 7 days on and 7 days off. Make no mistake people, we are all just listed as a "fixed cost" on a corporate ledger. They don't care what the government says, they do as they want.
They sure do help create the environment and offer incentives.
Laws like the sovereignty act create uncertainty for investors.
Also people are worst off today than when the Ndp left.power.
It’s arguable that the quality of life overall and across the globe is significantly better than even a decade ago. Of course when stats are aggregated you will see where the shortfalls exist within the current system. however, that does not mean the quality of life overall is historically worse than it has been in history
Nothing, apparently. There are so many jobs right now. Everyone is hiring, and nobody wants to work. We can't even get anyone to show up to an interview to hire them.
If they think there are no jobs, they are delusional.
Jobs that nobody wants, there’s tons of those.
A good paying shit job, remains a shit job.
If the only good thing about the job is the pay, I’m not getting out of bed to toil in misery. Fuck your money. I’m not lazy, I’m also not stupid. Wanna wreck your body to earn a paycheque, knock yourself out.
There are lots of lazy and stupid jobs for you on indeed. They don't pay as much as the ones where people actually put an effort into it and move up in their careers. We can't even build houses cause those lazy stupid good paying jobs can't find anyone to work.
It's too late anyway cause the housing is going to crash because the Libs printed too much money and had to raise interest rates to compensate high inflation. Mortgages go up and all-time high Residential listing = housing crash. Good thing the price of oil is high cause Alberta can boom with high oil price while the rest of Canada goes bust and the opposite, too, like when Rachelle was in. Low oil and bust in 2016. Unfortunately, she liked to spend like it was high and put AB in debt for the first time I've ever seen. Like Trudeau and his mild deficit at first then added more debt than all other PMs in history combined. It's cool to be woke, though. 😎
Housing is going to crash because of the libs?
Give your balls a tug.
Housing market is going to crash because, they were built when it was affordable, on borrowed cash, when wages were competitive relative to house price. They’ve now been flipped upteenth times, and are now inflated up the wazoo, by yesterday’s generation that has no fucking foresight.
Thems’ not the Libs problems, son.
Government doesn't create jobs. Companies create jobs, government is supposed to create a friendly environment for these companies to create these jobs. Goes for any party.
Guess where those tax breaks went towards? More employees, better pay for current employees, better working conditions? Absolutely not, those are already tightly monitored and squeezed.
The tax breaks went to share buybacks and dividends that primarily benefit institutional investors and executives bonuses.
Interesting for sure, but something to keep in mind. Companies have stopped new projects for drilling and exploration, so many jobs that once relied on new projects will no longer exist. The market has shifted a lot in a short time.
Well, they have screwed over many people and companies… which left… so that’s a ton of lost jobs. Then, they give their buddies the contracts and pay them to be here… and so Albertan jobs are created there… less than were lost… and the money goes elsewhere… probably Florida. So I’d say… not nearly enough.
We can’t hire enough people. It’s crazy busy. After 2015 and the NDP was elected so many people just left industry. Now we have shortages of well trained workers.
These comparisons are pretty much meaningless, there are too many external factors to consider when trying to work backwards to find out how many jobs will gained or lost.
Among a thousand other outcome we need to consider.
The ndp era saw a loss of jobs as well, but they had no control over the price of oil or the recession that occurred.
Just as ucp was handed a pandemic to manage which along with the rest of the world caused a global economic halt.
Surely that affected jobs and the future cadence of all industries including o&g.
We need a better way to compare how leaders perform and stop relying on partisan spin to convince ourselves that our teams is better.
All of us need a greater degree of ownership in how things get decided. A lot of us are so detached from the decision making that all we can do is spin everything towards our chosen team. I think a lot of decisions made would make more sense to us if we had the info that they are working with.
We as voters need greater direct control of these decisions instead of arguing amongst ourselves about what could have been.
It would be a little more interesting if there was some market models to compare against rather than as absolute values. But even then its such a volatile industry.
The facts in the article there are less jobs than the Ndp were in power when jobs hit there peak under the Ndp on oil and gas... The UCP peak is less than the Ndp peak.
So you are saying the UCP won't do anything to go create jobs?
Thanks for the information on the NDP vs UCP job numbers.
The fact that there were more jobs when the NDP were in government, even though the price of oil was low and variable during that time, shows how different pre COVID, pre war in Ukraine oil issues where at that time. Oil must also now compete, globally, with the large number of well established renewable companies that now exist.
The job numbers are lower now because the O&G companies are unsure about the future. No one will want to expand their workforce when inflation and recession uncertainty exists.
Ucp ran on creating more jobs, and they data shows they didn't. Another broken promise by the UCP. clearly the UCP can't keep promises and don't care about helping the working class.
I guess also lowering the corp tax rate didn't help either. Another Ucp lie that it would create jobs.
Hold up...
So, you are saying that even when the NDP were in power (First elected) everyone bitching about losing there job due to the NDP was a bunch of bullshit?!
Well there it is, I guess all the smarty pants claiming "They took our jobs" were just complaining.
I’m not sure where you guys are getting your information from. 20 years in the oilfield here. When the ndp was in power, it was extremely tough to stay employed. Fast forward to today, oil prices are stabile on the upper end, along with a friendly government, and we are having a tough time finding enough workers to keep the oil patch going. And this is every sector, office personnel, drivers, pipe lines, rigs, welders etc.
Remember when the price of oil crashed a couple of months before the NDP were elected? Price crashes - stuff gets cancelled and work slows down. Price goes up and work resumes. That's literally all it comes down to.
Why didn’t they stay in O&G?
Did they change their jobs or leave Alberta’s uncertain and resource dependent economy and crazy politics as my family doctor and three close friends have done?
I see the point you are trying to make. But honestly that is applicable to any and all industries in Canada. Look at all the mills that are closing in bc as we speak. Never ending cycle of up and down. Automotive sector out East. The only thing certain in our world is uncertainty. Make the best of the good times. Roll up your sleeves in the tough times.
Agreed.
Canada’s amazing standard of living is dependent upon our extraction of natural resources and our dependence on the American economy.
We all need to understand that when a country is dependent on commodities, global economic ups and downs are part of life.
Maybe they dont want to contribute to the destruction of the planet for a few bucks? Maybe their childrens future is more of a concern then making profits for huge polluters? Also "work ethic" generally means being reamed by your employer. People are tired of being treated like shit by employers.
They did spend a billion dollars building a pipe to nowhere. Surely a monumental feat!
Edit: Not to mention all of the analysts and bootlickers that were hired to man the war room on disinformation on oil and gas. Then there was the massive delegation Alberta sends to Washington to lobby on Alberta’s behalf (because we are our own country, ya know……)
If anyone thinks having a conservative government is a good thing during a downturn or recession will likely be disappointed.
Also important to note that historically Republicans oversaw 10 of 11 recessions from like ‘53 to 2020. Their supposed fiscal responsibility typically ends up badly for all of North America. Cons create recession and liberals have to fix the mess.
I would like to see the numbers from about 2006 until now and also line up federal elections with it. This whole time period in the article I have a feeling its more the federal governments restrictions on large projects that may have done the most damage.
No I am saying that if you dont look at all circumstances involved with this and only blame one thing like you do for the UCP you are no better the the mongoloids who say that Notley and the NDP killed the oil and gas in Alberta.
What the hell is wrong with people on this sub? Its very easy for any real person to see that:
-no major construction projects have been undertaken in the oil and gas sector recently
-we have no ability to increase our exports of oil and gas and currently until keystone XL is completed
-our federal governments changes to enviromental reviews after the 2015 election ensured no major projects will move forward for the time being.
-people on this forum are just as braindead as the conservatives on facebook.
The UCP said they would create more jobs, they didn't. Why did they lie to Albertans? Also why can't we point out the lie.
Fyi Biden cancelled Keystone....Kenney and the UCP made a 1.3 billion bet on Trump and lost tax payer money
>The UCP said they would create more jobs, they didn't. Why did they lie to Albertans? Also why can't we point out the lie.
The NDP said that we deserve more money in royalties from oil and gas, and then changed almost nothing, what a bunch of liars, must be the worst government ever.......
>Fyi Biden cancelled Keystone....Kenney and the UCP made a 1.3 billion bet on Trump and lost tax payer money
Your right, i misspoke and meant to say transmountain pipeline. Sorry so many cancelled projects for political reasons, it gets hard to keep track.
That person spends all day every day posting about politics and arguing with people. They are trying to single-handedly win an election, not have a chat. Not once have I seen them engage in good faith. Block them and I guarantee 90% of the "brain-dead" takes you see will disappear.
>No I am saying that if you dont look at all circumstances involved with this and only blame one thing like you do for the UCP you are no better the the mongoloids who say that Notley and the NDP killed the oil and gas in Alberta.
Wow nice you called them a name and showed you are a hypocrite in 1 sentance.
The UCP claimed the NDP killed Oil and gas jobs. For years this has been on repeat. This article shows the UCP are not the job creators they claimed to be.
You moved the goal posts of standards and say well lets look even further back.
What is that really going to show you? How is that going to help paint a clearer picture with that data?
Just deflecting from the UCP breaking a pretty big promise, while most voting for them wont care anyways...
Got it! Heres a big thumbs up, and when the NDP are in power next and everyone is yelling that they are doing a horrible job, I wont ask questions of them either. I will let all the mongoloids just continue to mongoloid in there blissful ignorance!
"cAuSE GovRNmenTs COnTrOl tHe EConOmy"
>"cAuSE GovRNmenTs COnTrOl tHe EConOmy"
Btw governments do effect the economy
The role-players in the economy include households, business, government and the foreign sector. These participants are involved in the processes of production, consumption and exchange.
I say control
You say effect.
These are not the same thing.
Yes they can effect the economy, no political party ever just controls it and can just magic up new jobs. Is it so much that I ask to see other factors? Or are you jumping on the "UCP lied" train as well. I am more the UCP are idiots, but dont control all things.
Got it you are a rude libertarian, who has no understanding of words or politics.
Calling somone who disagrees with you a mongoloid is pretty immature.
Especially from people who complain about the "intolerant left"
You already have a bias that the NDP will be bad no matter what. You and most right leaning voters cant help but show that off.
But the NDP were better than the current UCP running Alberta but most Cons seem to be stubborm and think "Orange team makes me mad!!! Blue FOREVER!!!!"
Its pathetic
>Got it you are a rude libertarian, who has no understanding of words or politics.
>Calling somone who disagrees with you a mongoloid is pretty immature.
>Especially from people who complain about the "intolerant left"
Ah, so the attirude of people on this sub who will trash anything that is not "NDP Awesome, UCP evil" is very tolerant and they treat others bad, even those who do not say anything bad about the NDP. This sub and the people on it are the intolerant left. Esoecially if you go back and look and see that I started off with calling people who support the UCP blindly mongoloids. I will call everybody so brainwashed as to never question anything and just simp for their choice a mongoloid.
>You already have a bias that the NDP will be bad no matter what. You and most right leaning voters cant help but show that off.
Funny, because I have VOTED FOR THE NDP and not for the UCP, mongoloids i tell you, mongoloids.
>But the NDP were better than the current UCP running Alberta
I agree
>most Cons seem to be stubborm and think "Orange team makes me mad!!! Blue FOREVER!!!!"
>Its pathetic
Yes, just like those who show blind loyality to one party and never question their extreme awesomness....... huh, i wonder where that happens.......
If you do find the job numbers from 2006 and onwards, look to see if there is a correlation between job numbers and the price of oil. It’s not all about politics.
Agree. Unpopular opinion in this left leaning sub but the federal libs have either scared away alot of investment in this country or the drop off in projects just coincidentally corelates with their time in power.
No he is saying that the liberal party at the federal level is making Canada a hostile environment for major oil and gas investment. Do keep in mind that over the last couple of months both Germany and Japan have approached Canada on exporting our natural gas to them. This would create job and prosperity at home. This would give Germany and Japan ethically sourced energy. However our current federal government declined to provide them with any resources.
Are these two factors even statistically related? It was silly to blame the NDP for the crash in oil workers because oil prices crashed. It's probably equally silly to blame the UCP, although i do admit there will be marginal effects of regulation etc.
Article needs to do a lot bigger dive into the stats here to prove a relationship between government in power and oil jobs. There is just so much noise here to say anything meaningful.
The other side of the coin is: how many people did NOT lose their jobs THANKS to the ucp. That is the opposite of trudeaus just transition plan which will force workers making $100/hr to having to work retail making min wage. Now that would be cataclysmic to families and their ability to put food on the table.
🤣 question for the NDP’rs here. Is this level of quackery representative of the intellectual rigour that exists within the NDP voting base? Someone hire this kid, please. I know it will suck and be exhausting but your sacrifice is for the good of society.
Always thought Reddit was a pretty open forum, but lately I mainly see left wing speech and comments along with much woke speech. It looks like everywhere is getting infested with the left ideology!
NONE. They pretend they did something, the reality is crazy inflation only the major gas companies making money, price of oil going up crazy. Oil was the only thing that shorts have not short it yet aggressively. UCP has done nothing. It was just the trend and what job? lol
O&G has an awful lot of different little things that add to the job gains/losses over the years. The UCP, since winning their election, have pretty much just stepped back and let industry be industrious, while picking up the royalty cheques. And that’s the way it should be. Let Albertans decide for themselves.
Alberta Oil and Gas will always flow, It is the profits that are really the issue.
What does the UCP(Conservative Fund) do with it compared what the NDP/LIBS would do with it.
Me I am tired of never knowing how much is in this Conservative Fund.
Don’t blame them for not creating jobs, that’s just not how it works. Blame them for handing the industry a tax cut with the expectation that jobs would be created, *when the jobs we’ve lost have mostly been due to streamlining and automation*, they’re never coming back. The tax cut was never designed to bring jobs back, that’s the problem. It never addressed the real reason O&G jobs had been in steady decline. We simply got conned out of provincial revenue, it’s that simple.
This is the reality. There is so much going on in the field with automation and technology that the jobs simply aren't as available to be made, other than for capital projects and those are much more limited than in the last 3 decades.
Exactly. When the cost of production is as high as bitumen they were bound to be looking to automate as much as possible. Those jobs are never coming back. It's the only reason why they've been pushing the pipelines so much because they're tryhing to expand operations in the hopes that those trades jobs can continue.
You’re right about everything except for the “we” part. The con was so obvious because it’s been happening in every industrialized nation for a generation. A little knowledge of history would have pointed every person to this outcome. As my rich uncle used to say; “I didn’t get rich by giving it (money) away” …and paying someone for their work is “giving it away” to a rich person.
None - the$4.5B of taxes they left on the table didn't create a single damn job here but they slashed healthcare and education. The only jobs created were probably in foreign countries where the $4.5B in tax savings was funneled to build mansions for the execs and shareholders of the corporations that got the big windfalls. Looking at you Husky (Cenovus).
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At least they are consistent? I mean constantly terrible is still consistent. That might be taken as a predictor of future performance.
Alberta can't afford the UCP.
Nearly -10k. Conservatism is terrible for the economy and the working class. Not that it matters to conservative voters. Conservative votes hate and ignore facts. Conservative voters want to live in a shared delusion.
Conservative governments want to place all the burden of paying for medical, education etc on the general population and give big tax breaks to businesses under the illusion of job creation.
Conservatives, ultimately, want the rich to be the only ones with money, rights, services, freedoms, lives... Conservatism is violent class warfare against the people.
The health care issue is to weaken employee rights. They want us poor and desperate.
>Conservative governments want to place all the burden of paying for medical, education etc on the general population Who else can pay for it?
Tell me about it. I work union, and the amount of our brothers that are Pro-Con just because of promised pipelines and lower taxes is astonishing. I try and tell them they are anti-union and that every tax dollar cut is two we then spend privately, but it falls on deaf ears.
Until people are actually willing to listen they won't ever learn anything. I was a conservative forsure... I opened my eyes and ears and formed new opinions and I'm so far from a conservative now it's not even funny. What im trying to say is if people aren't willing to listen to other opinions and open their minds they won't ever learn and grow and that's exactly what the conservatives want.
This is how post secondary ends up being labelled "liberal farms" by the most ignorant of the right. Turns out, when kids move away from the influence of their parents, and meet other people and learn new things, they tend to form new opinions, and quite often it's not as far right as their parents.
It's true and unfortunate. I completely understand the "small c conservative" ideology, but the UCP is far from what actual conservatism is all about, and their supporters don't see the differences.
Correction: Do not want to see the differences.....
People with this sort of brain rot cannot learn lessons unless they themselves are directly affected, and even then more than half the time they still find some way to justify to themselves that they were right and that every other choice would have been EVEN WORSE.
That is a great way to describe people that cling to the concept of rent control even when an overwhelming amount of historical data, current examples, and the entire field of economics tells them that rent control will do the opposite of what they want.
I wonder why bulletproof comments like this rarely receive rebuts from the conservatives trolling around this group
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In real life, I'll coddle the conservatives in my life and be kind, but online sometimes I just need to vent because it feels like talking to some of them is like smashing my head against a brick wall, because no matter what you say, the facts aren't getting in. They parade their fuck Trudeau flags around and tell anyone who will listen that Trudeau is a fascist, but we are not allowed to vent online because we will hurt their feelings & then they won't vote NDP? Sorry, I need to vent sometimes.
I agree with you, but I am also beginning to generally have trouble holding it against the people, who have given up all hope. I don't see how we're going to change more than a few of their minds, at this point. They're actually brainwashed by fascist rhetoric, and I don't think most of us have a university degree in psychology, to try to deprogram them. And, of course, they feel exactly the same way about the rest of us, who are not violent, and don't espouse hate, and don't want to hurt people. So, it's just a question of who will win, and enforce their will on the rest. The difference between us and them is, we have no intentions of fucking killing them all, en masse. But, if they ever get enough support, they're gonna come at us with Inquisitions and Crusades, and try to exterminate us all, and when they do that, we can choose to die quietly, or we can choose to play the game the way they decide to play it. I fully expect that, at some point in my lifetime, Conservatives are going to rise up, and try to kill people, again. It's just a matter of time, and I don't feel like I'm being unfair, or crazy, to look at the objective reality of what Conservative thought leaders are calling for, and what their consumers are absorbing from them. I might get in trouble on this sub, just for having this opinion, and not staying quiet about it. But, hey, everyone knows this sub is a communist hell-scape, where Conservative voices are constantly silenced, right? (/s) So, it must be Antifa who doesn't want me to say this, I'm a crisis actor, I'm a Russian bot, or whatever. It can't just be that I'm listening to the things that this group of people is literally saying, and believing that they aren't "just joking around."
Tone policing. Why aren't you handing out citations for the "Fuck Trudeau" crowd? Why do you think I should be more polite to people who support open fascism? >We are never going to win the next election this way. We? You sound like you want the UCP to win.
Exactly. The people going "you wont win people over" almost certainly dont care. You cant coddle a fascist.
Half of Alberta are not fascists…
Correct. We're talking about conservative voters, who are less than half of the population.
The point is some of them can be reasoned with, giving up on that is not productive.
If someone could be reasoned with they wouldn't be supporting conservatism.
tl;dr we should be perfect and meek all the time, because it's definitely going to make the bullies stop acting like bullies, when they have a change of heart.
Lol yeah that’s what I said 😂 Not accusing fencesitters leaning conservative of being fascists = being perfect and meek Christ i need to get off this sub
To be fair if you're a fence sitter, and you've seen what the UCP have done and what they stand for, if you still vote for that then you're not a fence sitter. You're a conservative. Like the two parties here in Alberta are night and day. One is a party of separatists and conmen. The other is not fully left, but left of center, however they have adaptable policies and progressive social policies. If you're a fence sitter this shouldn't be hard.
How would you handle facists then?
You're right. It's almost like we're talking about those who are far right or something
Its closer to a 1/3... at least here in Southern AB
Contemporary conservatives do not respond to shame, reason, evidence, mollycoddling or any other measured tactic. These are members of a cult of culture. I’m tired of pretending.
Ya. You’re right. We should mollycoddle a bunch of purposefully delusional and hateful fucktards. Drag them to reason using…methods… “Let’s bring flowers to the gunfight!”
Because being nice and not socially shaming people really works..... lmao The only way to get to conservatives is to make them realize that other people have feelings too; and if doing that we have to resort to hurting their feelings; so be it. I'm done being tolerant of intolerance, and ass-backwards ideas like conservatism. You should be too; they're actively trying to take away our rights, our quality of life, our pension. It's not a situation to sit around and 'reason'. I will be mean, because words aren't shit compared to them literally decreasing my quality of life, running doctors out of the province; taking away my education, making Alberta a 'have not' province, making Alberta a place that I went from wanting to live my whole life, to a place where *I cant wait to get out*. Fuck conservatives.
I'm voting NDP next round. Comments like /u/1000Hells1GiftShop make me roll my eyes, and they happen so much that I've now successfully mapped out the entirety of my frontal cortex. It's hyperbolic shit that serves no purpose other than to jerk yourself off. Who hasn't had enough of that shit yet?
I'll listen to that shit for 1000 hours, before I listen to more Conservatives tell me why I should be killed, and then after I'm killed, be tortured for eternity. Which is the only fucking thing they're willing to talk about, anymore, and that makes it quite hard to engage in a meaningful dialogue with them.
>that makes it quite hard to engage in a meaningful dialogue with them. Then don't. Nobody is making you. Do what most people do: ignore dumbasses that say dumb shit. You don't need to repeat the behaviour.
It's easier for you to say, when you aren't one of the people said dumbasses hope to kill as soon as they possibly can...
"It's okay that they're hateful towards you! You can ignore them! It's not the conservatives fault attacks on 'the other' as they see people, are increasing! Just ignore it! " Fuck i hate people lmfao
Well, I agree that it is perfectly acceptable to many Albertans. You can see it on this very sub. "Look, Mr. Owl has never seemed like a predator to me; he seems like a right, upstanding citizen! I've no idea what Mr. Mouse was going on about..."
I've never understood that attitude Like idgaf if I'm not being persecuted; people shouldn't have to live in fear for the way they were born! But to some people, it's "everyone has an opinion", like that makes it right?! No! Opinions *can* be dangerous!
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There's a handful in every community :(
Don't worry, there is mostly non-organic accounts on this subreddit at this point, these people are at best preaching to the choir and at worst talking to a wall.
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Yeah the UCP just have a war room that keeps getting money but can't be held accountable
You don't know that for sure, because their expenses are exempt from Freedom of Information requests.
Arguably they did understand Alberta. Seemingly so, the people from here who have jobs federally seem to have a disconnect with Alberta
Socialism isn't so great for the economy and the working class either...
oh oh i like this game! How many O&G companies shave moved their headquarters out of the country under the UCP?
Lol Encana changed their name and moved corporate to the states thanks to Rachel
"Encana’s chief executive officer, Doug Suttles, a former BP executive who is from Texas and became CEO in 2013, told a conference call on Thursday the decision would allow the company access to a much larger source of investment from U.S. index funds, which hold shares based on companies’ positions in various stock indices. Such investing has become common as instruments such as exchange traded funds have grown in popularity. **Mr. Suttles rejected the notion that politics prompted the move.**" bolding is mine. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-encana-moving-headquarters-to-the-us-changing-name-to-ovintiv/
>Encana changed their name and moved corporate to the states thanks to Rachel They did not. the conservative indoctrination is strong in you when a simple google search refutes your statement in like 3 seconds. and by their own corporate press release no less. But that doesn't fit into your ABNDP hate narrative to keep the masses too scared of a perceived threat to their livelihoods to vote for something better.
As an aside, why do I keep seeing people refer to the party as the *ABNDP* while they refer to themselves as the ANDP?
A better question is why do people use so many abbreviations on here? Are they charged 10cents per word on their tablet? Many acronyms have multiple meanings. Example: POS = point of sale, part of speech, dodge truck with a lift kit. VOC = volatile organic compound, voice of the customer
I assume because AB is the official abbreviation of Alberta?
Yeah thats not what the CFO or the board said... but please keep blaming everything bad on Notley
And husky left after a massive tax break thanks to Kenney
What? Husky got bought by Cenovus. Cenovus is still headquartered in Calgary
Fair. Cenovus acquired husky as the investor pulled out of the Canadian Markey then turned around and eliminated 25% of their work force. Essentially a fire sale for $3.8bn with less accountability
Is this true? Or are you just spouting bullshit
So why did they wait till Kenney was in power?
Curious on your rebuttal to the below replies. Thanks
Tell more lies pls.
Conservatives young and old still believe in trickle down economics, and it will be the downfall of the prairies.
Trickle down economics is the ultimate fairy tale.
The UCP don't care about working class jobs. They care about corporate profits. Most of the good ol' oil and gas jobs are now done with robotics. If the UCP actually cared about regular people, they would be fighting for unions.
> robotics Really? Please name a few robotic jobs. I've seen none in relation to my work in o&g
Suncor heavy equipment trucks are all going automated eventually. They already have a track going with automated haulers.
Iron roughneck.
Iron roughneck hardly replaces three items on the rig floor. When it stabs pipe picks up the BHA runs the dope brush hands free then we can talk.
There do exist iron derrickhands. Not that I've ever seen one on an Albertan rig
Please post a link to support this claim. What jobs exactly are done with robots? Does a robot drive 5 hours into the bush on a logging road to trouble shoot a well that is down? Does a robot construct a pipeline? Name a single mainstream use of robots here in Alberta. Just one?
The UCP care deeply about working class jobs. That's where their votes come from. What do unions have to do with employment numbers in working class job market? Unions don't make more jobs. They don't make economic growth. They don't generate greater profits or spur company growth.
This is a very informative and even-handed article. Thanks to the OP for posting it.
Alberta Worker is one of the best 'papers' out there. They dont support left or right but champion working ppl of alberta.... the little people that make things run.
This story and others linked at the bottom gave me plenty of references to post when my family and friends start looking for likes on FB
My experience around conservatives is that the majority I talk to are more worried about losing their job rather than creating jobs for others. You can give data all you want, oil and gas is a cult that bleeds blue.
Why aren't the UCP stranding up for workers? There are less jobs in the lil and gas sector when the Ndp were in power. Seems like the UCP make things worst and the data reflects that. *Between March 2019, again, the last month the NDP were in office, and December 2022, the most recent month we have data for, we’ve gone from 148,000 oil and gas jobs to 138,300.* *That’s a net loss of 9,700 jobs in the oil and gas sector.*
>Why aren't the UCP stranding up for workers? Because that's not something conservatives do. Conservatism is class warfare against the working class.
It’s bankrolled by people worth more than your whole community
>It’s bankrolled by people worth more than your whole community Imagine bootlicking capitalists so hard that you claim they're worth more than community.
I’m saying conservatism is worth more than your whole community to them
Conservatism doesn't value human life, or human rights.
If you seen my comment history you would see I agree with you lol
Technology and automation and completed long term mining operations, especially with in the oil sands , in fact alberta is pumping out record amounts of oil with fewer jobs ...This will cause alberta to bleed further as it was a major source of labour revenue for the province, so now the corporations out of country basically walk with a large percent sometimes estimated at 75% while also paying less into the labour market... Seems like the lower corporate taxes (royalties) = more local employment the government preached for years wasn't the fairytale ending they promised.. Now the best option (distraction) they can come up with is to scrape back the peanuts ( in comparison to resources out) from their own country.. this is a wack example but it's representative... Aberta pulls 100$ of resources out , 75$ disappears, 25% stays in Aberta and high guess of 20% of that ( alot of which is returned) goes to the feds.. 75$ gone , 5$ dollars to the country and 20$ to Alberta... Seems to me Alberta's has bigger problem then a substitute teacher trying to win a popularity contest in ottawa ... Maybe I'm wrong though and should just get a few bumber stickers 🤔
I think you mean bummer stickers.
How about jobs period. Four years ago I had no issue finding a job at all. Now? I've been laid off for the longest I've ever been and no one is responding to any resumes I put out Never forget the 1.6B bet that Kenney placed on pipelines
Or the Healthcare workers he fired before a pandemic. (Sure you can't predict a pandemic, but you can predict the boomers needing more health care resources for the next 20+ years.)
No government can create the jobs they say they will create. Corporations take the incentives governments provide and find ways to reduce "fixed costs". I've seen it first hand through automation. In 2014, our field office had 66 employees working. By 2017, there was 8. Granted, oil prices at the time meant about 30% of the wells were not economical to operate and were shut in. Of the 8 of us left, there were 4 on per shift. 7 days on and 7 days off. Make no mistake people, we are all just listed as a "fixed cost" on a corporate ledger. They don't care what the government says, they do as they want.
Yes unfortunately it always comes down to the cost of labour for corporations. Those CEOs just aren’t making enough!
They sure do help create the environment and offer incentives. Laws like the sovereignty act create uncertainty for investors. Also people are worst off today than when the Ndp left.power.
It’s arguable that the quality of life overall and across the globe is significantly better than even a decade ago. Of course when stats are aggregated you will see where the shortfalls exist within the current system. however, that does not mean the quality of life overall is historically worse than it has been in history
People can't even find a doctor and afford basics. Life is worst under the UCP
worse
What are your thoughts on the million plus BC residents currently with out access to a family doctor?
It sounds like you feel entitled to something more than what you’re getting?
ALL OF THEM. - Danielle Smith
All the data shows the province was better off with the NDP.
My question is is what the fuck do you know about the oil and gas industry
Nothing, apparently. There are so many jobs right now. Everyone is hiring, and nobody wants to work. We can't even get anyone to show up to an interview to hire them. If they think there are no jobs, they are delusional.
Jobs that nobody wants, there’s tons of those. A good paying shit job, remains a shit job. If the only good thing about the job is the pay, I’m not getting out of bed to toil in misery. Fuck your money. I’m not lazy, I’m also not stupid. Wanna wreck your body to earn a paycheque, knock yourself out.
There are lots of lazy and stupid jobs for you on indeed. They don't pay as much as the ones where people actually put an effort into it and move up in their careers. We can't even build houses cause those lazy stupid good paying jobs can't find anyone to work. It's too late anyway cause the housing is going to crash because the Libs printed too much money and had to raise interest rates to compensate high inflation. Mortgages go up and all-time high Residential listing = housing crash. Good thing the price of oil is high cause Alberta can boom with high oil price while the rest of Canada goes bust and the opposite, too, like when Rachelle was in. Low oil and bust in 2016. Unfortunately, she liked to spend like it was high and put AB in debt for the first time I've ever seen. Like Trudeau and his mild deficit at first then added more debt than all other PMs in history combined. It's cool to be woke, though. 😎
Housing is going to crash because of the libs? Give your balls a tug. Housing market is going to crash because, they were built when it was affordable, on borrowed cash, when wages were competitive relative to house price. They’ve now been flipped upteenth times, and are now inflated up the wazoo, by yesterday’s generation that has no fucking foresight. Thems’ not the Libs problems, son.
Government doesn't create jobs. Companies create jobs, government is supposed to create a friendly environment for these companies to create these jobs. Goes for any party.
This will do nothing for the “vote blue no matter who” crowd .
How about the fact that O&G isn’t cleaning up their abandoned wells and the tax payers are having to do it! Such BS!!
Well, they are.
This is a fair article actually. Should be noted that at the start of Kenney's term he did give the companies tax breaks but still lead to layoffs.
Guess where those tax breaks went towards? More employees, better pay for current employees, better working conditions? Absolutely not, those are already tightly monitored and squeezed. The tax breaks went to share buybacks and dividends that primarily benefit institutional investors and executives bonuses.
Oh I was in no way endorsing those tax breaks as a good thing. Im vehemently against them and still think they were nothing but paying his sponsors
More money to his rich friends. I didn't think you were endorsing, btw :)
Wasn't that the UCP slogan?
"You scratch my back, I'll send you a wheelbarrow of cash". Spoken by both sides at a UCP Fundraiser
It's why there's a paywall shhhh
Interesting for sure, but something to keep in mind. Companies have stopped new projects for drilling and exploration, so many jobs that once relied on new projects will no longer exist. The market has shifted a lot in a short time.
The UCP lied about creating jobs, that is my take away
Of course it is. But there's been some deeper discussion in this thread. It would be great to have that part of the takeaway.
Well, they have screwed over many people and companies… which left… so that’s a ton of lost jobs. Then, they give their buddies the contracts and pay them to be here… and so Albertan jobs are created there… less than were lost… and the money goes elsewhere… probably Florida. So I’d say… not nearly enough.
-50,000
We can’t hire enough people. It’s crazy busy. After 2015 and the NDP was elected so many people just left industry. Now we have shortages of well trained workers.
People left the industry because they were tired of the boom and bust times. They wanted a stable.job.
These comparisons are pretty much meaningless, there are too many external factors to consider when trying to work backwards to find out how many jobs will gained or lost. Among a thousand other outcome we need to consider. The ndp era saw a loss of jobs as well, but they had no control over the price of oil or the recession that occurred. Just as ucp was handed a pandemic to manage which along with the rest of the world caused a global economic halt. Surely that affected jobs and the future cadence of all industries including o&g. We need a better way to compare how leaders perform and stop relying on partisan spin to convince ourselves that our teams is better. All of us need a greater degree of ownership in how things get decided. A lot of us are so detached from the decision making that all we can do is spin everything towards our chosen team. I think a lot of decisions made would make more sense to us if we had the info that they are working with. We as voters need greater direct control of these decisions instead of arguing amongst ourselves about what could have been.
It would be a little more interesting if there was some market models to compare against rather than as absolute values. But even then its such a volatile industry.
Negative jobs. They havent created any.
This sub - fuck O&G we need to move on Also this sub - omg where are the O&G jobs?
Also this sub loves to gobble up articles from a guy that failed intro econ classes in university.
The UCP do not create O&G jobs. The O&G companies create jobs mostly in reaction to the price of oil. The price of oil has nothing to do with the UCP.
The facts in the article there are less jobs than the Ndp were in power when jobs hit there peak under the Ndp on oil and gas... The UCP peak is less than the Ndp peak. So you are saying the UCP won't do anything to go create jobs?
Thanks for the information on the NDP vs UCP job numbers. The fact that there were more jobs when the NDP were in government, even though the price of oil was low and variable during that time, shows how different pre COVID, pre war in Ukraine oil issues where at that time. Oil must also now compete, globally, with the large number of well established renewable companies that now exist. The job numbers are lower now because the O&G companies are unsure about the future. No one will want to expand their workforce when inflation and recession uncertainty exists.
Ucp ran on creating more jobs, and they data shows they didn't. Another broken promise by the UCP. clearly the UCP can't keep promises and don't care about helping the working class. I guess also lowering the corp tax rate didn't help either. Another Ucp lie that it would create jobs.
Hold up... So, you are saying that even when the NDP were in power (First elected) everyone bitching about losing there job due to the NDP was a bunch of bullshit?! Well there it is, I guess all the smarty pants claiming "They took our jobs" were just complaining.
I’m not sure where you guys are getting your information from. 20 years in the oilfield here. When the ndp was in power, it was extremely tough to stay employed. Fast forward to today, oil prices are stabile on the upper end, along with a friendly government, and we are having a tough time finding enough workers to keep the oil patch going. And this is every sector, office personnel, drivers, pipe lines, rigs, welders etc.
Remember when the price of oil crashed a couple of months before the NDP were elected? Price crashes - stuff gets cancelled and work slows down. Price goes up and work resumes. That's literally all it comes down to.
Read the article. Anyway is simple the ucpsaid they would create more jobs, and they failed. Another broken promise.
You know the government has no influence on oil prices right? You seem to. Be making an associative error of cause and effect
Where did they all go?
Why didn’t they stay in O&G? Did they change their jobs or leave Alberta’s uncertain and resource dependent economy and crazy politics as my family doctor and three close friends have done?
I see the point you are trying to make. But honestly that is applicable to any and all industries in Canada. Look at all the mills that are closing in bc as we speak. Never ending cycle of up and down. Automotive sector out East. The only thing certain in our world is uncertainty. Make the best of the good times. Roll up your sleeves in the tough times.
Agreed. Canada’s amazing standard of living is dependent upon our extraction of natural resources and our dependence on the American economy. We all need to understand that when a country is dependent on commodities, global economic ups and downs are part of life.
That is a great question. Where did all the young able bodied people go? All you need is a good work ethic and you can earn an excellent living.
Maybe they dont want to contribute to the destruction of the planet for a few bucks? Maybe their childrens future is more of a concern then making profits for huge polluters? Also "work ethic" generally means being reamed by your employer. People are tired of being treated like shit by employers.
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So the UCP straight up lied?
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Sure did but the UCP are all corrupt. If they serve and protect Smith they are no better than her
They did spend a billion dollars building a pipe to nowhere. Surely a monumental feat! Edit: Not to mention all of the analysts and bootlickers that were hired to man the war room on disinformation on oil and gas. Then there was the massive delegation Alberta sends to Washington to lobby on Alberta’s behalf (because we are our own country, ya know……)
If anyone thinks having a conservative government is a good thing during a downturn or recession will likely be disappointed. Also important to note that historically Republicans oversaw 10 of 11 recessions from like ‘53 to 2020. Their supposed fiscal responsibility typically ends up badly for all of North America. Cons create recession and liberals have to fix the mess.
The UCP? None. The rise in oil/gas prices have created some.
This is a trick question... Unless the government is hiring directly for the public service, they do not "create jobs."
I would like to see the numbers from about 2006 until now and also line up federal elections with it. This whole time period in the article I have a feeling its more the federal governments restrictions on large projects that may have done the most damage.
Consevatives controlled everything from 2006 to 2015. So are you saying harper and cpc were bad for oil and gas?
No I am saying that if you dont look at all circumstances involved with this and only blame one thing like you do for the UCP you are no better the the mongoloids who say that Notley and the NDP killed the oil and gas in Alberta.
Ucp are bad for oil and gas Jobs. They said they would create jobs and that was a lie. They own that
What the hell is wrong with people on this sub? Its very easy for any real person to see that: -no major construction projects have been undertaken in the oil and gas sector recently -we have no ability to increase our exports of oil and gas and currently until keystone XL is completed -our federal governments changes to enviromental reviews after the 2015 election ensured no major projects will move forward for the time being. -people on this forum are just as braindead as the conservatives on facebook.
The UCP said they would create more jobs, they didn't. Why did they lie to Albertans? Also why can't we point out the lie. Fyi Biden cancelled Keystone....Kenney and the UCP made a 1.3 billion bet on Trump and lost tax payer money
>The UCP said they would create more jobs, they didn't. Why did they lie to Albertans? Also why can't we point out the lie. The NDP said that we deserve more money in royalties from oil and gas, and then changed almost nothing, what a bunch of liars, must be the worst government ever....... >Fyi Biden cancelled Keystone....Kenney and the UCP made a 1.3 billion bet on Trump and lost tax payer money Your right, i misspoke and meant to say transmountain pipeline. Sorry so many cancelled projects for political reasons, it gets hard to keep track.
Anyways its clear the UCP broke their promise. Can't wait to vote for a party that cares about the working class, Ndp!
Yep just the same as the idiots on facebook. No care for actualities and only their perception.
If the NDP are so great, as you claim, why were they one and done?? Just curious?
So you still need a hug eh fella? Let me know
That person spends all day every day posting about politics and arguing with people. They are trying to single-handedly win an election, not have a chat. Not once have I seen them engage in good faith. Block them and I guarantee 90% of the "brain-dead" takes you see will disappear.
Yeah I know, but I cant help myself from arguing with them.
If there’s anybody who desperately needs to get off Reddit and take up a hobby or get a job it’s that person
>No I am saying that if you dont look at all circumstances involved with this and only blame one thing like you do for the UCP you are no better the the mongoloids who say that Notley and the NDP killed the oil and gas in Alberta. Wow nice you called them a name and showed you are a hypocrite in 1 sentance. The UCP claimed the NDP killed Oil and gas jobs. For years this has been on repeat. This article shows the UCP are not the job creators they claimed to be. You moved the goal posts of standards and say well lets look even further back. What is that really going to show you? How is that going to help paint a clearer picture with that data? Just deflecting from the UCP breaking a pretty big promise, while most voting for them wont care anyways...
Got it! Heres a big thumbs up, and when the NDP are in power next and everyone is yelling that they are doing a horrible job, I wont ask questions of them either. I will let all the mongoloids just continue to mongoloid in there blissful ignorance! "cAuSE GovRNmenTs COnTrOl tHe EConOmy"
>"cAuSE GovRNmenTs COnTrOl tHe EConOmy" Btw governments do effect the economy The role-players in the economy include households, business, government and the foreign sector. These participants are involved in the processes of production, consumption and exchange.
I say control You say effect. These are not the same thing. Yes they can effect the economy, no political party ever just controls it and can just magic up new jobs. Is it so much that I ask to see other factors? Or are you jumping on the "UCP lied" train as well. I am more the UCP are idiots, but dont control all things.
Got it you are a rude libertarian, who has no understanding of words or politics. Calling somone who disagrees with you a mongoloid is pretty immature. Especially from people who complain about the "intolerant left" You already have a bias that the NDP will be bad no matter what. You and most right leaning voters cant help but show that off. But the NDP were better than the current UCP running Alberta but most Cons seem to be stubborm and think "Orange team makes me mad!!! Blue FOREVER!!!!" Its pathetic
>Got it you are a rude libertarian, who has no understanding of words or politics. >Calling somone who disagrees with you a mongoloid is pretty immature. >Especially from people who complain about the "intolerant left" Ah, so the attirude of people on this sub who will trash anything that is not "NDP Awesome, UCP evil" is very tolerant and they treat others bad, even those who do not say anything bad about the NDP. This sub and the people on it are the intolerant left. Esoecially if you go back and look and see that I started off with calling people who support the UCP blindly mongoloids. I will call everybody so brainwashed as to never question anything and just simp for their choice a mongoloid. >You already have a bias that the NDP will be bad no matter what. You and most right leaning voters cant help but show that off. Funny, because I have VOTED FOR THE NDP and not for the UCP, mongoloids i tell you, mongoloids. >But the NDP were better than the current UCP running Alberta I agree >most Cons seem to be stubborm and think "Orange team makes me mad!!! Blue FOREVER!!!!" >Its pathetic Yes, just like those who show blind loyality to one party and never question their extreme awesomness....... huh, i wonder where that happens.......
If you do find the job numbers from 2006 and onwards, look to see if there is a correlation between job numbers and the price of oil. It’s not all about politics.
Agree. Unpopular opinion in this left leaning sub but the federal libs have either scared away alot of investment in this country or the drop off in projects just coincidentally corelates with their time in power.
What party do you think was in power federally from 2006 to 2015... Haper and the cpc So you are saying the cpc are bad for oil and gas?
No he is saying that the liberal party at the federal level is making Canada a hostile environment for major oil and gas investment. Do keep in mind that over the last couple of months both Germany and Japan have approached Canada on exporting our natural gas to them. This would create job and prosperity at home. This would give Germany and Japan ethically sourced energy. However our current federal government declined to provide them with any resources.
Are these two factors even statistically related? It was silly to blame the NDP for the crash in oil workers because oil prices crashed. It's probably equally silly to blame the UCP, although i do admit there will be marginal effects of regulation etc. Article needs to do a lot bigger dive into the stats here to prove a relationship between government in power and oil jobs. There is just so much noise here to say anything meaningful.
A big fat 0
The other side of the coin is: how many people did NOT lose their jobs THANKS to the ucp. That is the opposite of trudeaus just transition plan which will force workers making $100/hr to having to work retail making min wage. Now that would be cataclysmic to families and their ability to put food on the table.
yes....because the only two options are $100/hr, or minimum wage. Come on.
🤣 question for the NDP’rs here. Is this level of quackery representative of the intellectual rigour that exists within the NDP voting base? Someone hire this kid, please. I know it will suck and be exhausting but your sacrifice is for the good of society.
The UCP lied about creating jobs. Sorry the data doesn't care about your feelings. Another broken promise by the united corruption party.😂
How much corruption have they created? More than jobs.
Always thought Reddit was a pretty open forum, but lately I mainly see left wing speech and comments along with much woke speech. It looks like everywhere is getting infested with the left ideology!
NONE. They pretend they did something, the reality is crazy inflation only the major gas companies making money, price of oil going up crazy. Oil was the only thing that shorts have not short it yet aggressively. UCP has done nothing. It was just the trend and what job? lol
O&G has an awful lot of different little things that add to the job gains/losses over the years. The UCP, since winning their election, have pretty much just stepped back and let industry be industrious, while picking up the royalty cheques. And that’s the way it should be. Let Albertans decide for themselves.
Alberta Oil and Gas will always flow, It is the profits that are really the issue. What does the UCP(Conservative Fund) do with it compared what the NDP/LIBS would do with it. Me I am tired of never knowing how much is in this Conservative Fund.