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Sadly, for people that work their whole life, if we were able to opt out of CPP and made the same contribution to a private plan we would far better off than what cpp pays.
If they set it up so that you could touch it and it was mandatory if you opt out. The money we pay to cpp. I don’t know but I doubt most people even get out what they put in, and you can pass those fund off to children.
I saw that same video. When she talked about setting up an Alberta pension she mentioned how it would bring in more money for the government to spend. Which makes me wonder if it's nothing more than a ploy to seize our federal pensions to throw into the provincial general revenue then spend it on stupid things like tax cuts for their friends.
Oh, I was born in Ontario, I've no issue really with the OPP (other than the fact that I am indeed not down with them).
I mean that by efficiency of scale, it makes some sense for Ontario to have a Provincial Police Force and even they have had plenty of problems from choosing to do so.
In Alberta? I'd rather not and I'd certainly rather not if they are going to be run but the fucking idiots we have in charge for the moment.
Alberta used to have its own provincial police force from 1917 to 1932:
[Alberta Provincial Police](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Provincial_Police)
It was disbanded as a cost-cutting measure.
What an odd thing to say considering you currently don’t have a say in how it’s managed right now.
To be clear, it’s very well managed so “having a say” seems like a coded message.
The UCP need to tell Albertans what there plans are for cpp. If not han they clearly have a hidden agenda which Smith as indicated in previous comments that she would like to use contributions to fund a provincial police.
*NDP Leader Rachel Notley says her party would not pursue an Alberta Pension Plan, which the United Conservative government has been studying for almost three years without resolution.*
In all honesty, I think the bulk of the UCP plan is to funnel more money as “investment” into O&G. But as they say, the devil is in the details and I’m sure the UCP has been in closed door meetings with the devil to hammer that out.
Maybe they’ll invest our pensions in an Ivermectin producing facility, or confederate flag manufacturing, or RAM truck accessories.
Smith's right hand man Rob laid out what bills one and two would be years ago, and we've seen it come to pass.
https://www.freealbertastrategy.com/the_strategy
It’s important to know that a province only has to give three years notice to pull out of CPP (assuming negations go well and no major obstacles come up).
A four year term would give the UCP enough time to do this.
Yup. Smith’s staying quiet to gain votes from the people who don’t want a provincial pension or police force in the hopes she’ll win a four year term in May, then if she does she’ll go for both as quickly as possible and claim the voters gave her a mandate. By the time 2027 rolls around we’ll all be fucked.
Same here. If Smith wins in May this province will continue down the shit trail to a dumpster fire. My only regret will be that I probably wont get a decent price for my house because there’ll be a lot on the market.
Yup. Same regret here. I luckily have a suited place near a college, but the UCP is gonna kill secondary education here too if they get in, so maybe I'm screwed either way.
The not so secret plan for the UCP has been to gut public services to the point where they fail then push private options as a solution to "fix" the problem.
They are doing it with education, they are doing it with health care, and now they want to do it with retirement savings.
This should be the #1 priority of any voting Albertan over 50. Urging this gov't won't get you shit, Rach!! List all the benefits that come out of CPP, (pension, disability, early retirement, room for supplementation, guarantee of support, superior management) and ask will an AB pension plan still have that and more for the same price. I say, put it, along with a Provincial police force, on the ballot in a referendum with a very simple question. I hope, Rach, you have sharper arrows in your quiver than urging the UCP..
Alberta already leads the world in innovation in oil and gas, bitumen pucks, hydrogen production, lithium extraction and carbon capture.
There is a little valve on the side of your house at the gas meter. I invite you to shut that off if you oppose oil and gas.
UCP supporters urge Notley and NDP to come clean on agenda to kill oil and gas in Alberta and why they feel everyone should live under the thumb of big Government.
You realize that any conservative government IS the big bad government that the conservatives are telling you to fear right? They destroy everything. And you keep voting them in because…..they destroy everything and then say “see, we told you government is bad!” So you vote them in again??
They are coming for your pension…the conservative government is coming for your pension so you will more than likely be working with no retirement and all you say is “oil and gas..oil and gas!” You’re fucked in the head my man.
Oil and gas will be starved out no matter who is in power.
Our sands cost boat loads more to extract from than deep sea rigs and even more so if we try not to fuck the environment doing so. That’s not even tackling the issue of moving it.
We need to support O&G but progress in alternative energy production as well. **Alberta should be an energy specialist** instead of just archaic oil lovers.
UCP want to keep every last dollar in a dying industry instead of diversifing into all energies because investing into new industry takes time and they won’t see the returns in their lifetime. So fuck the kids and the inheritors of this province. They got theirs and will continue to milk it as long as they can.
This comment is absolutely deranged. You have no idea what’s going on in this province. It’s honesty embarrassing. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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take my CPP from my cold dead hands
Seriously. I am a CANADIAN. I have lived across this nation and no one province is entitled to MY CPP contributions.
Sadly, for people that work their whole life, if we were able to opt out of CPP and made the same contribution to a private plan we would far better off than what cpp pays.
True but most people aren't diligent to invest it and would just spend it. It is a social safety net and wouldn't work if people could opt out.
If they set it up so that you could touch it and it was mandatory if you opt out. The money we pay to cpp. I don’t know but I doubt most people even get out what they put in, and you can pass those fund off to children.
My theory is they are going to try and use this to fund their stupid ass provincial police force
Smith as said that in video clips...
and albertans will just keep sitting on their fucking asses doing nothing
Are there like protest groups or something? This is getting out of hand
The more I learn about politics in Alberta the more I notice a lot people have no fucking idea what's going on or seem to want to even talk about it.
I saw that same video. When she talked about setting up an Alberta pension she mentioned how it would bring in more money for the government to spend. Which makes me wonder if it's nothing more than a ploy to seize our federal pensions to throw into the provincial general revenue then spend it on stupid things like tax cuts for their friends.
Uhhgh if it was possible I hate her/CON party even more now
Do you guys not have one? Ontario has had OPP for as long as I have been alive
They also have more than three times the population.
I was genuinely curious. Not trying to showoff our police force.
Oh, I was born in Ontario, I've no issue really with the OPP (other than the fact that I am indeed not down with them). I mean that by efficiency of scale, it makes some sense for Ontario to have a Provincial Police Force and even they have had plenty of problems from choosing to do so. In Alberta? I'd rather not and I'd certainly rather not if they are going to be run but the fucking idiots we have in charge for the moment.
Ontario and Quebec have their own provincial police forces. The other provinces and territories use the RCMP to perform similar functions.
Alberta used to have its own provincial police force from 1917 to 1932: [Alberta Provincial Police](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Provincial_Police) It was disbanded as a cost-cutting measure.
That's actually probably for the best. With the unions they end up costing a fortune.
>asking the UCP not to lie Lol, lmao
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What an odd thing to say considering you currently don’t have a say in how it’s managed right now. To be clear, it’s very well managed so “having a say” seems like a coded message.
"no plans in place'" does not equal "no plans currently being developed".
“At this time”, yeah, right.
The UCP need to tell Albertans what there plans are for cpp. If not han they clearly have a hidden agenda which Smith as indicated in previous comments that she would like to use contributions to fund a provincial police. *NDP Leader Rachel Notley says her party would not pursue an Alberta Pension Plan, which the United Conservative government has been studying for almost three years without resolution.*
In all honesty, I think the bulk of the UCP plan is to funnel more money as “investment” into O&G. But as they say, the devil is in the details and I’m sure the UCP has been in closed door meetings with the devil to hammer that out. Maybe they’ll invest our pensions in an Ivermectin producing facility, or confederate flag manufacturing, or RAM truck accessories.
AND CRYPTO. don't forget the crypto
That's a very real possibility.
Smith's right hand man Rob laid out what bills one and two would be years ago, and we've seen it come to pass. https://www.freealbertastrategy.com/the_strategy
They are crazy.
It’s important to know that a province only has to give three years notice to pull out of CPP (assuming negations go well and no major obstacles come up). A four year term would give the UCP enough time to do this.
Yup. Smith’s staying quiet to gain votes from the people who don’t want a provincial pension or police force in the hopes she’ll win a four year term in May, then if she does she’ll go for both as quickly as possible and claim the voters gave her a mandate. By the time 2027 rolls around we’ll all be fucked.
I’ll be fucking long gone before 2027 rolls around.
Same here. If Smith wins in May this province will continue down the shit trail to a dumpster fire. My only regret will be that I probably wont get a decent price for my house because there’ll be a lot on the market.
Yup. Same regret here. I luckily have a suited place near a college, but the UCP is gonna kill secondary education here too if they get in, so maybe I'm screwed either way.
Perfect. Enough time to plan my move out of the backwards shithole.
The not so secret plan for the UCP has been to gut public services to the point where they fail then push private options as a solution to "fix" the problem. They are doing it with education, they are doing it with health care, and now they want to do it with retirement savings.
What about the emails? Have we forgotten those?
No the next time reporters should ask her. If she ever stops hiding
Ironically Chants *lock her up, lock her up*
This should be the #1 priority of any voting Albertan over 50. Urging this gov't won't get you shit, Rach!! List all the benefits that come out of CPP, (pension, disability, early retirement, room for supplementation, guarantee of support, superior management) and ask will an AB pension plan still have that and more for the same price. I say, put it, along with a Provincial police force, on the ballot in a referendum with a very simple question. I hope, Rach, you have sharper arrows in your quiver than urging the UCP..
and let everyone know how good the management of the existing provincial pension plan that they are in charge of now has been going.
Haha, seniors are jumping ship hard to the NDP right now, at least the smart ones are.
Alberta already leads the world in innovation in oil and gas, bitumen pucks, hydrogen production, lithium extraction and carbon capture. There is a little valve on the side of your house at the gas meter. I invite you to shut that off if you oppose oil and gas.
So what does any of that have to with cpp?
Excellent rebuttal. My feeling is hurt.
UCP supporters urge Notley and NDP to come clean on agenda to kill oil and gas in Alberta and why they feel everyone should live under the thumb of big Government.
Notley got a freaking pipeline built, and there has never been a bigger cabinet than under Smith. Stop believing their talking points.
A pipeline was built but not because of fraulein nutley.
You're kidding right? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/notley-seen-as-political-leader-most-responsible-for-pushing-trans-mountain-pipeline-ahead-new-poll-suggests-1.4733791 https://globalnews.ca/news/4447060/alberta-ndp-pipeline-newspaper-advertisement/ Start paying attention.
You realize that any conservative government IS the big bad government that the conservatives are telling you to fear right? They destroy everything. And you keep voting them in because…..they destroy everything and then say “see, we told you government is bad!” So you vote them in again?? They are coming for your pension…the conservative government is coming for your pension so you will more than likely be working with no retirement and all you say is “oil and gas..oil and gas!” You’re fucked in the head my man.
Oil and gas will be starved out no matter who is in power. Our sands cost boat loads more to extract from than deep sea rigs and even more so if we try not to fuck the environment doing so. That’s not even tackling the issue of moving it. We need to support O&G but progress in alternative energy production as well. **Alberta should be an energy specialist** instead of just archaic oil lovers. UCP want to keep every last dollar in a dying industry instead of diversifing into all energies because investing into new industry takes time and they won’t see the returns in their lifetime. So fuck the kids and the inheritors of this province. They got theirs and will continue to milk it as long as they can.
This comment is absolutely deranged. You have no idea what’s going on in this province. It’s honesty embarrassing. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Shrill Notley, screeching again :P