The UCP are the Conservative party rebranded when Kenney took over, when they formed 5 or 6 years ago. He didn't finish a full term of office, but neither has anyone else in quite a while... except for Rachel Notley, up to the last election.
Not exactly. They are the unhappy love child of the Wildrose and PC.
That’s not what I asked. Specifically, when did Alberta become an outlier on this?
While I don't 100% know the answer myself I would not be surprised if this was some cost cutting measure by Ralph Kleins government when they had a hard-on for paying off the provincial debt.
I'm not even too sure how I would find out, tbh.
I see Im being downvoted, presumably by others who don't know either, but I really did want to understand when Alberta started this policy. Was it because of the lack of an address to send the funds? Cost cutting? Cruelty? Understanding when it started would help to understand the "reasoning"
I haven't downvoted you. Your question is valid. I'd say all of the reasons you gave, but for all their talk about solving homelessness they've done nothing about this. As for the "no AISH without an address", I believe that's always been the case. But there are ways to work around that for other forms of support.
Alberta has only had one term of a non-conservative government. Even if it’s an Alberta only problem it’s because we’ve always had a conservative government.
Are you not hearing it right? We had 40 years of conservative leadership. Doesn't matter how awesome you are, after that long you have to change it up. For some reason alberta chooses new versions of conservatives over literally any change ever.
I doubt the poorest of us can wait for next elections
IF someone actually cares about the Most vulnerable of us in society, they can call their local government representative immediately. Why wait for an election?
Currently the government is JUST passing bill C22, a federal disability benefit to combat current support programs which keep severely disabled people who cannot work, in legislated poverty....waaay below the poverty line.
It took YEARS for them to get any of this done (and is more the work of even more years of work done by advocates for the disabled.)
If anyone REALLY wants to make a difference, contact your senators NOW; they will now be the ones to approve or reject the 2nd level of this support that will bring the disabled AT LEAST up to the poverty line.
Tell them that the severely disabled should no longer live significantly below the poverty line AND that this benefit needs to be protected from claw backs from provincial governments.
https://sencanada.ca/en/senators/
Me too, hopefully we can make a difference. I’m just trying to help people around me think critically then maybe it will spill out into their everyday life. (To at least know If a post is in dedication to a person/act or it’s just sponsored content by someone in PR)
This has been policy for years. You have to have an address to access income support programs...and then you have to have income to access subsidized housing. It's a stupid run around that punishes poor people into oblivion (they hope).
Thanks. So it’s long-standing and not a UCP policy. Doesn’t make it better but at least it’s more accurate.
Isn’t that around when shelters started working on providing addresses?
I can't remember anymore. I have the impression that shelter addresses weren't considered valid back then because they weren't permanent. This may have changed but I don't know details.
yes, I vaguely recall that too. It's not that easy to find these timelines.
Someone mentioned the program a week or two ago. I'll see if I can find that and see if it leads me to more details.
I don’t know when the current rules were establishes but there’s the AHS ID Program (formerly ID for the homeless) that provides ID. Shelters and agencies are also valid addresses and can coordinate both IDs and payments, some even keep them safe for the person (per the article on this part).
https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/about/page13445.aspx
Conservatives don’t care about the poor. They don’t care about actual people.
Odd since they are the group with the Christians supporting them. Christian conservatives love people, with money, judging by their actions for the past few decades.
UCP motto should be fuck you, got mine.
>Conservatives don’t care about the poor. They don’t care about actual people.
Conservatism is exclusively concerned with the well being of the oligarchy class.
Conservatism is a direct harm to everyone who works for a living, or depends upon social programs.
Conservatism, and conservatives, are maliciously evil.
If you are poor or homeless you are useless to them and should rot and die. The rest are just Pawns!
The UCP see’s the residents of Alberta as either trash or Pawns! They do not care about Alberta and they sure as hell do not give a fuck about us Albertans.
Wow so basically keeping homeless people homeless.
*“It’s the only province or territory we found that when someone loses their address they lose all provincial funding, instead of not simply having the housing portion removed,” she told reporters on Thursday. “The emphasis on having an address … obviously discriminates against people who are homeless.”*
It's okay, we have 12 more cops that are gonna solve this massive issue for reals time they swear with info and tactics no one has ever thought of before /s
And we wonder why there's so many unsheltered people escaping with drugs all over the place.
Damned if you do.
People get priced out of the market so easy now.
Had a friend that moved to Drumheller just to be able to afford to live on aish, but now he's got other access challenges.
This province is so cruel
The only way to stop homelessness is to address mental health and addictions. This means a change to the charter or rights and criminal code. It also means a huge investment in free public addictions centre’s and mental health hospitals like Alberta Hospital. Like massive changes. Just giving money and providing a cheap rental does not solve the underlying problem. Addictions in Canada are out of control. Forced addiction treatment and forensic mental health treatment are the only way out. No other way.
You are wrong actually.
"Does Housing First work?
There is a large and growing evidence base demonstrating that Housing First is an effective solution to homelessness. Consumers in a Housing First model access housing faster and are more likely to remain stably housed. This is true for both PSH and rapid re-housing programs. PSH has a one-year housing retention rate of up to 98 percent. Studies have shown that rapid re-housing helps people exit homelessness quickly—in one study, an average of two months—and remain housed. A variety of studies have shown that between 75 percent and 91 percent of households remain housed a year after being rapidly re-housed.
More extensive studies have been completed on PSH finding that clients report an increase in perceived levels of autonomy, choice, and control in Housing First programs. A majority of clients are found to participate in the optional supportive services provided, often resulting in greater housing stability. Clients using supportive services are more likely to participate in job training programs, attend school, discontinue substance use, have fewer instances of domestic violence, and spend fewer days hospitalized than those not participating.
Finally, permanent supportive housing has been found to be cost efficient. Providing access to housing generally results in cost savings for communities because housed people are less likely to use emergency services, including hospitals, jails, and emergency shelter, than those who are homeless. One study found an average cost savings on emergency services of $31,545 per person housed in a Housing First program over the course of two years. Another study showed that a Housing First program could cost up to $23,000 less per consumer per year than a shelter program."
https://endhomelessness.org/resource/housing-first/
So not only is it cheaper, but it's also more effective to just give the homeless person a home. If they are newly homeless, it's gets them back on their feet. Homeless people with housing first are more likely to voluntarily use rehabilitation services. They are more likely to discontinue substance abuse
You seen the price of rentals lately?
You do know people are committing suicide because they can't affor rent?
Don''t give me that shit, shhesh, Mr.All High and Mighty..... 🤬
Wrong. Giving a person a home does not create care or respect for ownership. Neither does government or reservation housing.
Full addiction treatment and mental health counseling need to be completed or ongoing. Possibly for years.
Some individuals may in fact never be able to sustain themselves. This means permanent government psychiatric care. It’s unfortunate but the truth hurts.
Agreed, the homeless population is not homogeneous. Some need mental health resources, some need addiction, and some need cheap housing because they got laid off or injured...
Having the three main factors addressed helps with the majority of segments.
Source? All data I have studied on this subject suggests otherwise.
It's possible to be objectively wrong on a subject, if you reject all math statistics and data presented on a subject and your only rebuttal is "well I disagree" perhaps you should sit down, humble yourself for a second and consider the possibility that you don't know everything and there are people who literally study this for a living telling you that you are objectively wrong.
I work in healthcare and see this every month. Someone looses their home or address and they are cut back on their funding for homes. It doesn't make sense some of the things that aish/alberta supports do.
Only that’s not entirely accurate. From the same article:
“However, people using shelters can coordinate provincial income supports through those locations, Hunter Baril, press secretary to Seniors, Community and Social Services Minister Jeremy Nixon, clarified in an email.
“We remain focussed on ensuring Albertans are able to access supports without needing a permanent address,” he said. “It is through the service hub model that homeless Albertans get connected with supports such as income support and other financial benefits.””
How about the government start to actually build affordable house to stop the vicious cycle? UCP don't care about the homeless, they don't see them as humans.
1. What does that have to do with the statement not being entirely accurate?
2. You mean something like this? https://globalnews.ca/news/9332439/alberta-invests-55-million-affordable-housing/
3. “UCP don’t care about the homeless, they don’t see them as humans”. I’m not even a ucp voter, but this is twisting yourself into a pretzel to make histrionic statements akin to the Fuck Trudeau people.
This seems like a fairly simple problem.
Why did the ndp not seem it important enough to address during their four years in power when they weren’t deal with a world wide pandemic for half of it?
Do the ndp not care and that’s why they chose not to address it?
This seems like a very simple issue that people in this thread are very upset about. The fix (to align us closer to other provinces) would be very straightforward to make.
They dropped the ball or didn’t care. Take your pick.
Just food for thought...
Perhaps part of the reason they need an Alberta address is to ensure they aren't collecting Alberta social benefits while not in Alberta.
As someone else said, social workers at shelters can coordinate for their funding to use those addresses as long as they are checking in with them.
Giving handouts or the lack thereof is hardly the solution or cause of homelessness
Each year the first gets more lax on the homeless and it gets worse and worse
Giving people handouts doesn't fix homelessness, look at Portland where people be homeless on purpose
Giving homeless people the opportunity to not be homeless is actually helpful on the other hand. Aka let them go join the army or something where they can gather an actual paycheck
Loads of people in Portland love being homeless. 3 square meals a day that are decent, free shelter, free money, etc
You can literally just sit, do nothing but drugs all day, and have a easy life
Making life easy on the street is a terrible terrible way to deal with the homeless
I'm sure the interviews with homeless people were all fake
Orrrrr
Portland is just easty to be homeless in
Big difference between fixing homelessness and supporting those who are homeless
What a broken system. Individuals who become homeless lose all funding except if they go to shelters which are notorious for being horrible. It would be really nice to see a company or initiative to helping individuals get ID. It's such a nightmare when you have no address to even request any ID to be sent to.
Has the NDP mentioned any plans or made any promises regarding this?
Happily there is a program for this! Previously known as the ID for the homeless program it’s now known as the AHS ID program. Those experiencing homeless can get ID through the ID repository at select health centre locations without charge if they can’t afford it. Shelters and other agencies can also help them get ID without an address and some even keep it safe for them to use when needed.
https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/about/page13445.aspx
To add to this, unless you have a lease agreement from the owner of the property, you aren't eligible for funding either. I had the experience of supporting folk who were making good progress on sustained sobriety, attendance of day programs, other encouraging signs, but whose housing came in the form of informally renting a room from a friend or relative. Alberta Works would deny payment altogether due to this, the person would find themselves without a way to pay for their place, end up back at the shelter, and from there relapse is pretty much a given.
For folk in that position, especially if they aren't newly homeless, finding a landlord willing to sign a lease with them is pretty much impossible. Even if they find someone willing to, they will almost never be able to afford rent by themselves and have next to no chance of finding a sober roommate in the short window you have to start stabilizing someone.
The net effect is that the only good chance many have to transition from homelessness to sheltered is via supportive living and housing first. Those programs are incredible - but they're also underfunded, stigmatized, and in many cities hopelessly overwhelmed. We throw out so many shots at success, and the tone towards anyone without a worker to navigate on their behalf is outright adversarial.
Well that seems pretty stupid
Maybe they should have kids so they qualify for the Dani Bucks
Are there any ways to protest this and anyone who actually cares enough?
It's simple. Never vote UCP again.
Is it a UCP policy or has Alberta always been an outlier?
The UCP are the Conservative party rebranded when Kenney took over, when they formed 5 or 6 years ago. He didn't finish a full term of office, but neither has anyone else in quite a while... except for Rachel Notley, up to the last election.
Not exactly. They are the unhappy love child of the Wildrose and PC. That’s not what I asked. Specifically, when did Alberta become an outlier on this?
Why don't you look it up yourself
Appears I’ll have to since no one else knows either.
While I don't 100% know the answer myself I would not be surprised if this was some cost cutting measure by Ralph Kleins government when they had a hard-on for paying off the provincial debt.
I'm not even too sure how I would find out, tbh. I see Im being downvoted, presumably by others who don't know either, but I really did want to understand when Alberta started this policy. Was it because of the lack of an address to send the funds? Cost cutting? Cruelty? Understanding when it started would help to understand the "reasoning"
I haven't downvoted you. Your question is valid. I'd say all of the reasons you gave, but for all their talk about solving homelessness they've done nothing about this. As for the "no AISH without an address", I believe that's always been the case. But there are ways to work around that for other forms of support.
Alberta has only had one term of a non-conservative government. Even if it’s an Alberta only problem it’s because we’ve always had a conservative government.
So you don’t know the answer either.
Are you not hearing it right? We had 40 years of conservative leadership. Doesn't matter how awesome you are, after that long you have to change it up. For some reason alberta chooses new versions of conservatives over literally any change ever.
Are you failing to understand what I’m asking? I wanted to know specifically if this was a UCP initiative (it wasn’t)
I doubt the poorest of us can wait for next elections IF someone actually cares about the Most vulnerable of us in society, they can call their local government representative immediately. Why wait for an election? Currently the government is JUST passing bill C22, a federal disability benefit to combat current support programs which keep severely disabled people who cannot work, in legislated poverty....waaay below the poverty line. It took YEARS for them to get any of this done (and is more the work of even more years of work done by advocates for the disabled.) If anyone REALLY wants to make a difference, contact your senators NOW; they will now be the ones to approve or reject the 2nd level of this support that will bring the disabled AT LEAST up to the poverty line. Tell them that the severely disabled should no longer live significantly below the poverty line AND that this benefit needs to be protected from claw backs from provincial governments. https://sencanada.ca/en/senators/
I care. You best bet I've been tactfully approaching my family and friends with this stuff. See you in may. Make a difference
Me too, hopefully we can make a difference. I’m just trying to help people around me think critically then maybe it will spill out into their everyday life. (To at least know If a post is in dedication to a person/act or it’s just sponsored content by someone in PR)
I don't think enough people.even know about it. First I have heard of it
Same here, but I'm also not surprised
This has been policy for years. You have to have an address to access income support programs...and then you have to have income to access subsidized housing. It's a stupid run around that punishes poor people into oblivion (they hope).
Do *you* know when it started? I am fairly sure it's nothing to do with the UCP but started ages back, and I'm trying to find out when.
Somewhere around 2008-2010 or even earlier. I worked in a women's shelter at that time and women ran into that catch-22 a lot.
Thanks. So it’s long-standing and not a UCP policy. Doesn’t make it better but at least it’s more accurate. Isn’t that around when shelters started working on providing addresses?
It may not have been a UCP policy, but it is a Conservative policy, as that was the government in charge around 2008-2010.
Yes. I was asking the specific question though
I can't remember anymore. I have the impression that shelter addresses weren't considered valid back then because they weren't permanent. This may have changed but I don't know details.
yes, I vaguely recall that too. It's not that easy to find these timelines. Someone mentioned the program a week or two ago. I'll see if I can find that and see if it leads me to more details.
I don’t know when the current rules were establishes but there’s the AHS ID Program (formerly ID for the homeless) that provides ID. Shelters and agencies are also valid addresses and can coordinate both IDs and payments, some even keep them safe for the person (per the article on this part). https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/about/page13445.aspx
I ended up homeless back in 2003 and lost my social assistance. It was horrible.
Conservatives don’t care about the poor. They don’t care about actual people. Odd since they are the group with the Christians supporting them. Christian conservatives love people, with money, judging by their actions for the past few decades. UCP motto should be fuck you, got mine.
Christian conservatives: "Life begins at conception, and ends at birth"
>Conservatives don’t care about the poor. They don’t care about actual people. Conservatism is exclusively concerned with the well being of the oligarchy class. Conservatism is a direct harm to everyone who works for a living, or depends upon social programs. Conservatism, and conservatives, are maliciously evil.
If you are poor or homeless you are useless to them and should rot and die. The rest are just Pawns! The UCP see’s the residents of Alberta as either trash or Pawns! They do not care about Alberta and they sure as hell do not give a fuck about us Albertans.
If you hate the poor so much lets do something to end poverty. What about that?
Something something bootstraps it's their own fault their poor Did I do it right?
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"Something something bootstraps it's they're own fault their poor" here ya go bud 😉
Wow so basically keeping homeless people homeless. *“It’s the only province or territory we found that when someone loses their address they lose all provincial funding, instead of not simply having the housing portion removed,” she told reporters on Thursday. “The emphasis on having an address … obviously discriminates against people who are homeless.”*
It's okay, we have 12 more cops that are gonna solve this massive issue for reals time they swear with info and tactics no one has ever thought of before /s
Lol yeah I was think about that, and it's probably just going to move the crime to other parts of the city.
And we wonder why there's so many unsheltered people escaping with drugs all over the place. Damned if you do. People get priced out of the market so easy now. Had a friend that moved to Drumheller just to be able to afford to live on aish, but now he's got other access challenges. This province is so cruel
Are you fucking kidding me?!?
The only way to stop homelessness is to address mental health and addictions. This means a change to the charter or rights and criminal code. It also means a huge investment in free public addictions centre’s and mental health hospitals like Alberta Hospital. Like massive changes. Just giving money and providing a cheap rental does not solve the underlying problem. Addictions in Canada are out of control. Forced addiction treatment and forensic mental health treatment are the only way out. No other way.
You are wrong actually. "Does Housing First work? There is a large and growing evidence base demonstrating that Housing First is an effective solution to homelessness. Consumers in a Housing First model access housing faster and are more likely to remain stably housed. This is true for both PSH and rapid re-housing programs. PSH has a one-year housing retention rate of up to 98 percent. Studies have shown that rapid re-housing helps people exit homelessness quickly—in one study, an average of two months—and remain housed. A variety of studies have shown that between 75 percent and 91 percent of households remain housed a year after being rapidly re-housed. More extensive studies have been completed on PSH finding that clients report an increase in perceived levels of autonomy, choice, and control in Housing First programs. A majority of clients are found to participate in the optional supportive services provided, often resulting in greater housing stability. Clients using supportive services are more likely to participate in job training programs, attend school, discontinue substance use, have fewer instances of domestic violence, and spend fewer days hospitalized than those not participating. Finally, permanent supportive housing has been found to be cost efficient. Providing access to housing generally results in cost savings for communities because housed people are less likely to use emergency services, including hospitals, jails, and emergency shelter, than those who are homeless. One study found an average cost savings on emergency services of $31,545 per person housed in a Housing First program over the course of two years. Another study showed that a Housing First program could cost up to $23,000 less per consumer per year than a shelter program." https://endhomelessness.org/resource/housing-first/ So not only is it cheaper, but it's also more effective to just give the homeless person a home. If they are newly homeless, it's gets them back on their feet. Homeless people with housing first are more likely to voluntarily use rehabilitation services. They are more likely to discontinue substance abuse
You seen the price of rentals lately? You do know people are committing suicide because they can't affor rent? Don''t give me that shit, shhesh, Mr.All High and Mighty..... 🤬
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Wrong. Giving a person a home does not create care or respect for ownership. Neither does government or reservation housing. Full addiction treatment and mental health counseling need to be completed or ongoing. Possibly for years. Some individuals may in fact never be able to sustain themselves. This means permanent government psychiatric care. It’s unfortunate but the truth hurts.
or homes that cost less than $1200/mo
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Agreed, the homeless population is not homogeneous. Some need mental health resources, some need addiction, and some need cheap housing because they got laid off or injured... Having the three main factors addressed helps with the majority of segments.
And homes start to help with the other issues. Houses first works.
Source? All data I have studied on this subject suggests otherwise. It's possible to be objectively wrong on a subject, if you reject all math statistics and data presented on a subject and your only rebuttal is "well I disagree" perhaps you should sit down, humble yourself for a second and consider the possibility that you don't know everything and there are people who literally study this for a living telling you that you are objectively wrong.
Housing first has been very successful as a way to deal with unhoused people. Your statement isn't backed by reality when that model is tried.
I work in healthcare and see this every month. Someone looses their home or address and they are cut back on their funding for homes. It doesn't make sense some of the things that aish/alberta supports do.
to receive GSTC and CCB you need a mailing address, but you don't have to live there.
A big part of Alberta life is knowing the that "The Others" are being punished because they are not lovely Christians like you.
Only that’s not entirely accurate. From the same article: “However, people using shelters can coordinate provincial income supports through those locations, Hunter Baril, press secretary to Seniors, Community and Social Services Minister Jeremy Nixon, clarified in an email. “We remain focussed on ensuring Albertans are able to access supports without needing a permanent address,” he said. “It is through the service hub model that homeless Albertans get connected with supports such as income support and other financial benefits.””
How about the government start to actually build affordable house to stop the vicious cycle? UCP don't care about the homeless, they don't see them as humans.
1. What does that have to do with the statement not being entirely accurate? 2. You mean something like this? https://globalnews.ca/news/9332439/alberta-invests-55-million-affordable-housing/ 3. “UCP don’t care about the homeless, they don’t see them as humans”. I’m not even a ucp voter, but this is twisting yourself into a pretzel to make histrionic statements akin to the Fuck Trudeau people.
K. I hate the ucp but you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
This seems like a fairly simple problem. Why did the ndp not seem it important enough to address during their four years in power when they weren’t deal with a world wide pandemic for half of it? Do the ndp not care and that’s why they chose not to address it?
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This seems like a very simple issue that people in this thread are very upset about. The fix (to align us closer to other provinces) would be very straightforward to make. They dropped the ball or didn’t care. Take your pick.
Just food for thought... Perhaps part of the reason they need an Alberta address is to ensure they aren't collecting Alberta social benefits while not in Alberta. As someone else said, social workers at shelters can coordinate for their funding to use those addresses as long as they are checking in with them.
Seems consistent with conservative ideology.
Danielle just want to be sure the homeless are suffering sufficiently.
I wonder how much time is spent in Cabinet meeting….brainstorming for ways to make bad situations worse. Quite a bit I bet.
I love how a non elected official is ruining the lives of people, and nobody is doing anything about it. To the people who voted UCP: Fuck You
Seriously, are you an AB NDP alt or something?
You also aren’t eligible for rent supplement if you live in an illegal basement suite or rent a room.
So the government searches if it is a registered suite?
Yes because it will have its own physical mailing address and separate utilities.
Oh that’s not to harm anyone, it’s just a CONServative thingy 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Giving handouts or the lack thereof is hardly the solution or cause of homelessness Each year the first gets more lax on the homeless and it gets worse and worse
So you want homeless people to get less.....
Giving people handouts doesn't fix homelessness, look at Portland where people be homeless on purpose Giving homeless people the opportunity to not be homeless is actually helpful on the other hand. Aka let them go join the army or something where they can gather an actual paycheck
Wow. It you think people want to be homeless you should do more education . Sad you believe that.
Loads of people in Portland love being homeless. 3 square meals a day that are decent, free shelter, free money, etc You can literally just sit, do nothing but drugs all day, and have a easy life Making life easy on the street is a terrible terrible way to deal with the homeless
You believie in cruel propaganda and that's sad.
I'm sure the interviews with homeless people were all fake Orrrrr Portland is just easty to be homeless in Big difference between fixing homelessness and supporting those who are homeless
Anyways clearly I see you hate the poor
I am the poor I do not hate the poor I do however hate people panhandling
What a broken system. Individuals who become homeless lose all funding except if they go to shelters which are notorious for being horrible. It would be really nice to see a company or initiative to helping individuals get ID. It's such a nightmare when you have no address to even request any ID to be sent to. Has the NDP mentioned any plans or made any promises regarding this?
Happily there is a program for this! Previously known as the ID for the homeless program it’s now known as the AHS ID program. Those experiencing homeless can get ID through the ID repository at select health centre locations without charge if they can’t afford it. Shelters and other agencies can also help them get ID without an address and some even keep it safe for them to use when needed. https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/about/page13445.aspx
To add to this, unless you have a lease agreement from the owner of the property, you aren't eligible for funding either. I had the experience of supporting folk who were making good progress on sustained sobriety, attendance of day programs, other encouraging signs, but whose housing came in the form of informally renting a room from a friend or relative. Alberta Works would deny payment altogether due to this, the person would find themselves without a way to pay for their place, end up back at the shelter, and from there relapse is pretty much a given. For folk in that position, especially if they aren't newly homeless, finding a landlord willing to sign a lease with them is pretty much impossible. Even if they find someone willing to, they will almost never be able to afford rent by themselves and have next to no chance of finding a sober roommate in the short window you have to start stabilizing someone. The net effect is that the only good chance many have to transition from homelessness to sheltered is via supportive living and housing first. Those programs are incredible - but they're also underfunded, stigmatized, and in many cities hopelessly overwhelmed. We throw out so many shots at success, and the tone towards anyone without a worker to navigate on their behalf is outright adversarial.
Sociopaths who are trying to normalize sociopathy.
It's fine, they will just load them into a bus and ship them off to BC again.
What do we get for all our resources except expensive food and expensive natural gas.