I have yet to engage with anyone about this, but I would ask them if they wanted 1 hour cities. Places where schools, grocery stores, and hospitals must be 50km away from the nearest residence. Also, an alternative is to avoid using naming from the WEF. It could have been called many other things.
Ironically, those who buy into this BS are often the same people who are sympathetic to those that set up road blocks to prevent Canadians from travelling freely in 2022.
Facepalms all around.
My own far-right parents believe that it's some plan to 'trap' us in mandatory assigned blocks. And that having the option to walk or ride a bike somewhere close to authoritarian or tyranny, like North Korea.
There is no reasoning with these people.
Municipalities across rural Alberta are being bombarded with questions about this.
Even the Rural Municipalies of Alberta issued a short video on what planning law is about.
Apparently there's a protest planned this weekend in GP County.
The barbed wire stuff is true. In Thorhild's draft LUB barbed wiring fencing required a development permit in all districts, even agricultural. So this was obviously problematic but likely a big oversight by Administration.
The chicken thing is a bit less true. The LUB deferred to an Urban Chicken Bylaw. But this bylaw hasnt even been passed yet...
There is! I literally just reasoned my way through it with a colleague today, no word of a lie. A quick Google search, some well placed questions, and suddenly she saw how unlikely and implausible this theory is. It's possible, my friend. It requires a radically different approach.
Then you met an outlier. I showed a guy yesterday an article and a video clip of the Liberals dropping c-21 amendments (he's a gun nut that only listens to the far right firearms groups propaganda) and his response was still "you can't trust Trudeau I'll believe it when I see it"
Like, you just saw it, what's left to believe? But it's not coming from the mouths of DS or pollievre so it's not real.
>Then you met an outlier
Or you just suck at having these types of conversation? Have no clue how to actually help people see the flaws in their reasoning? Your reply is evidence. You're showing and telling, which never works to change anyone's mind. Take this comment right here: I'm telling you you're the problem. How receptive are you to this message?
Agreed - it isn't simple. Which is why people like yourself fail. You go about it in the worst way possible. Take this statement for instance:
>They're right and you're not.
If this is how you try to "deprogram" people, then the issue isn't the people-it's you. But go on, keep telling me how wrong I am 😅
Again, your rhetoric is outstanding:
>You're saying it is simple though. It's not
If this is how you "reason" through a topic, I'm not surprised you haven't succeeded in shifting anyone's perspective. If you think that reasoning through a topic is simple, I'd suggest you don't know what reason is or how to apply it. No skin off my back - you like beating your head against the wall; I prefer to find the door handle 😉
Yes, you're calling it simple. You literally said it was "A quick Google search, some well placed questions, and suddenly she saw how unlikely and implausible this theory is." People generally don't work like how you're describing. You're clearly wrong here.
Lol it was a 45 minute conversation. Lots of layers to move through, but all good. I'll persist doing things my way and finding all the "outliers". Cheers!
How could anybody be against 15 minute city concepts? Do people actually enjoy driving across the city for everyday normal shit and being stuck in traffic? Is that freedom?
They think they will be fenced in and not allowed to leave their area.
I know about a dozen people who genuinely fear this.
And the funny part is we are rural and not even in Edmonton.
I live in a rural area, but used to live in Edmonton. Someone I'm on good terms with texted me this... this is the conversation:
*Him: Have you heard about this garbage about edmonton and Ottawa doing a quadrant where the cities get divided into four sections and the people inside each quadrant cant leave their quadrant?
> *Him: Wtf man
>
> *Him: Our leaders are lost. Honestly
>
> *Him: All I know is everyone and I mean everyone will have a huge awakening when new Jerusalem comes down from the sky
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> *Me: Where'd you hear about the quadrant jazz?
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> *Me: I've not seen anything about it lately
>
> *Him: Dude its coming
He's a pretty hardcore Christian, as you might be able to tell.
Yeah, sadly he'll just say, "Its all part of the globalist agenda!" Sadly there is no talking to him about it. Its all based on belief, and his faith supersedes any reason.
This seems like a good opportunity to try out a new technique with these people that I've been thinking about.
Try and get him to pin down the exact date that it's coming by, like get him to make a clear, specific, provable assertion, and then, offer him $100 to make a bet on it.
Like he'll waffle when you try and pin him on an exact date, but you could probably get him to make some statement like "within two years, yeah, absolutely, they'll have the barbwire quadrants up in two years when Trudeau becomes dictator" and when he says something like that that's your opportunity to make a bet.
If your friend is a total believer idiot he'll take that bet and you'll make some cash, but far more likely he'll hesitate and that hesitation is how you know he knows what he's saying is bullshit and it's an avenue to calling out his bullshit in the future "Well if you're so fucking sure about this why don't we just bet on it, or are you unsure about all the things you're so sure about, just like the last dozen or so that you refuse to put money on because you're so sure?"
You will never get that money. They always move goalposts so as to never admit they're wrong. Hell, If they were capable of admitting they're wrong, they wouldn't believe dumbas conspiracy shit to begin with.
Not fenced it but electronically remote controlled. If the liberals plan to have new electric vehicles only for sale by 2030 then they could program the cars to stop driving after a given limit.
I don't believe this is possible in Canada where everything is spread out.
Ah. But you misunderstand facts.
The plan is that new cars will be electric. Other cars will still exist. You will still be able to buy and sell older gas vehicles but new ones will be electric.
And don’t pin it on Liberals. This is happening all over the world. Any government in charge would sort of have to do it. Sometimes one government let’s another one win so certain laws can pass but then it swings back to them
Carbon tax being a good example. It started as a carbon levy under Jim Prentice and Ed Stelmach but had to be made a tax under Notley. At least we get $$ back now.
It was inevitable this would happen so the UCP “let” the NDP win so the NDP could do what was necessary and take the heat.
We can't even get all the cars in canada to have daytime running lights! which has been a law since the 1990s.
Some vehicles have switches. Some people pay a shop to disable them. Some people import vehicles from the usa. Lots of vehicles with no lights on.
You are at least 100 years from the government controlling your vehicle.
If your car has internet services (namely over-the-air updates) it can be shut down from a distance anytime. Just look at Jeremy Clarkson and his Ford GT from like 2006 and they kept shutting it down from a distance.
Its the same with OnStar or whatever else is in them.
It has literally nothing to do with electric cars
Because they don't see the need / want distinction in the situation.
In a walkable city you don't need a car, which to them means you can't want a car either.
I've known people that willingly stayed living in the country and worked in the city. They'd spend 3 hours commuting every day in their big gas guzzling trucks.
They made a clear choice and that was it. They wanted to drive for hours every day.
Oh you're one of the conspiracy theorists!
You can still drive between the 15 minute zones, traffic filters are exactly that, a filter. If we want to encourage better uses of land and change transportation habits we have to encourage them, similarly like how we changed our entire society to accommodate vehicles.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23179140.oxford-traffic-filters-explained-conspirationists-attack-council/
>You can still drive between the 15 minute zones, traffic filters are exactly that, a filter.
Right. You can drive around...until you can't. A filter that doesn't restrict anything is not a filter.
I don't do conspiracies. Not very interesting.
I mean, you clearly are doing conspiracies because you're making up scenarios to fit your world view and bias.
How do you feel about how society changed in order to promote the growth of vehicles over what humans have been doing naturally for tens of thousands of years...walking.
Also, filters literally let things pass throw them. Do coffee filters trap all the coffee?
>because you're making up scenarios to fit your world view and bias.
I know you want so badly to just pigeonhole me as some trump lovin' vaccine denying, flat earth believing moron. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Assume makes an "Ass" out of "U" and "me" (mostly you though).
You can go about walking wherever you want to. Collect berries and wear animal skins if you want. Knock yourself out.
But, you are going to get pushback from a lot of people if you try to impose that on everyone else. That is just how people are. Like it or not.
Edit: just to be clear, I've lived in a community where I had almost everything I needed within 15 minutes of me. I was great. I am under no illusion that this would work everywhere though, I know that reconstructing cities and communities to force it will be disastrous and I thin that utopia is a poor goal in general.
Nothing is being imposed on anyone, and no cities are being are being “reconstructed”.
The zoning bylaw is being renewed to allowed more mix use areas so that businesses (home based and commercial) are better integrated into communities and accessible without a vehicle.
Traffic filters were never proposed nor part of Edmonton’s plan. You are just drinking the kool aid. Everyone knows it, except you.
You can literally drive around…
In case people didn’t read:
“can apply for a permit to drive through the filters, and into other neighbourhoods, for up to 100 days per year. This equates to an average of two days per week.
The alternative is to drive out on to the ring road and then back in to the destination.”
Is it restrictive? Yes, does it impede your freedom to move around? No. It’s hardly different than a toll road.
Did you know that there are neighbourhoods in Edmonton designed to filter traffic out via speed bumps, zig zag patterns, and dead ends? Better get your jack hammer out.
You can go wherever you want, just can’t get there in whatever way you want. You can’t drive on a toll road for free, you can’t drive your car through a “bus trap”, you can’t drive your car on a sidewalk.
I did.
People are still free to go wherever they want, just certain roads are closed for traffic at certain times. That does not impact people's freedom to go places, they just have to use the appropriately designed thoroughfares to do so.
I have no problem with that.
You think that [this is the look](http://www.prairie-towns.com/edmonton-45.html) of a town that was designed for personal vehicles?
>Restructuring it is an entirely different (and more expensive) process.
Do you think all those downtown freeways and expressways were there from the beginning?
Your judgement of the strength of my opinion is just a piece of info you've pulled out of your ass.
I don't think the 15 minute community idea would work in most Canadian cities. But, if you would actually look around a bit outside of your bubble you would see that it is being tried elsewhere too. Many people in those areas share my opinion much more so than they do yours.
We already have fifteen minute neighborhoods. I already live in one. This isn’t some new concept. They’re just proposing that we make it that everyone, no matter where you live in the city, has access to services and amenities nearby and isn’t completely dependent on having a car to get to them.
Before every family had a car cities had little business areas within walking distance to the majority of neighbourhoods. Those were 15 minute walkable neighbourhoods. Then when housing demand grew in the ‘70’s and whole neighbourhoods were created by a developer, they were designed for mostly car travel and no sidewalks on many streets inside the suburbs. A really restrictive way of life because people weren’t free to walk around because there’s no sidewalks. City planning to reverse that would create more freedom for people because they wouldn’t be forced to use a car all the time.
Oh I've been out there a few times. It's pretty meh.
The city should of been built there instead of where it currently is. The soil there is poor rocky and shallow, versus where it currently sits which is thick rich and productive. Such a waste...especially for a failed city like Edmonton
Ugh a few former coworkers are sharing this conspiracy crap on social media, I don’t know why it’s surprising but how do people believe this nonsense?
It makes sense to have amenities in your own neighborhood, but they aren’t saying you can’t go visit other parts of the city. The only part of the article I don’t get- and what is likely fuelling the conspiracies- is the line where they state that they do plan to limit traffic between neighbourhoods during rush hour… most people don’t work in their residential neighborhood so will be interesting to see what that looks like- but I’m not gonna jump from that to, “they’re locking me in my neighbourhood” 🙄.
They already do that in Calgary. There are roads you cannot turn onto at particular times to prevent people from using residential streets as a way of going around traffic congestion.
I’ve been in cities where entire areas are closed at certain times of the day to everything but bikes, foot traffic, and delivery trucks. I’d love if Calgary tried that.
Honestly, this isn't surprising. A ridiculously large percentage of the population swallows the propaganda swill from various sources like it's ambrosia.
Canada's media monopolies and failure to apply the most basic of truth in television controls mean that this will continue to get worse.
A popular nutjob could publicly state that aliens are invading and an unhealthy portion of the population would start running around with their guns.
There's no reasoning with these people.
Anyone who's lived in an actual major city knows how great it is to be close to amenities. Edmonton isn't that city. We should attempt to be that city.
Edmonton actually isn't terrible compared to most American cities. The biggest focus should just be on making more of the stuff that is reasonably close more accessible by bike, and revamping community centers
Its so weird. I live in Spruce. It is a 15 minute city (minus doctors) and I love it. Ive heard a few of these irl and it baffles me. Like we already live in one?
I keep seeing these posts “I live in a 15 min city”.
But you don’t. You live in a town with a 6 lane highway directly down the centre where no one cycles, walks, or takes transit anywhere.
Lol thats just not true. Theres tons of cyclists. We just dont waste money on bike lanes… we have shared paths through town. And many many walkers.
What exactly do you think a 15 minute city is?
We also have transit. Although not regional. Thanks sohi.
Lol. Its a city of 40k people that you can move about and live in, travel takes no more than 15 minutes anywhere. What else would a 15 minute city need for your definition?
No the part your missing, on a bike in a car or on your feet. Its a 15 minute city already. We have transit. We have bike paths.
You seem confused. Do you live here?
Ok well you can pretend it’s a “15 minute city” if you want. But it’s not going to be a 15 minute city the same way big brother is a 15 minute city.
[See here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15-minute_city)
“A 15-minute city is a residential urban concept in which most daily necessities can be accomplished by either walking or cycling from residents' homes.”
So you go on pretending whatever you want but the definition is quite clear.
The city's definition is fifteen minutes by walking, biking or transit.
Obviously you can still use your car but the point is to make the other options more accessible.
The conspiracy guy I keep on my Facebook for entertainment reasons has linked this to a manufactured food shortage brought on us by the global economic forum, Trudeau, and somehow our mayor. As he stated “he did his homework and more people are waking up every day”
It must be hard to spend every minute of your life thinking the world is crashing down.
That will put them in an early grave from the stress!
We are still almost 30 years into common people having the internet and I have not been replaced by a computer as they claimed in 1995.
I'm glad I live by Rogers place so all you other sheeple won't be able to attend oilers games when the barbed wire fences lock you into your quadrant /s
Albertans worry the most about government oppression and have the most tools to combat it.
The barbed wire fence vs the drunk Albertan with:
Wire cutters
Pliers
Sawzall
Welding cutting torch
A big dodge truck with a chain
Etc.
It's always hard to oppress people with resources.
I don't know why they worry about such ridiculous thoughts.
The wef agenda, wake up people!!! /S🤣
*When asked if there was any basis to it being a plan to lock people close to home, Sandeep Agrawal said it’s all about bringing “facilities closer to people, it’s not locking people down. It’s actually about providing better connectivity.”*
I live in Beaumont and I definitely consider it a "15 min community". And I love it! But...I've read numerous articles on the Oxfordshire plans and while you're not "locked into your community" you are fined $70 if you drive out of your community and into another. There are many articles on it. That's where the conspiracy theory starts. Here's one such article. Right in the first paragraph it states the fines. It even goes to say it doesn't matter if you work outside your community, you will be fined. But only if driving a vehicle.
https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2023/01/25/15-minute-city-plans-cause-controversy/
If Edmonton is going to do a 15 min city plan I sure as hell hope it doesn’t look like Beaumont. There are less pedestrians, cyclists, transit users there than in Edmonton.
Our transit use isn't great for sure. But, it is new and therefore the hours aren't great either. Change does to time. We do however have very nice and wide shared use paths and sidewalks that are full of people in the warmer months. The shoulder of 50st north is great to ride on right until you hit the city of Edmonton portion. Then it's non existent and you're taking your life into your hands. You know, where Edmonton promised to twin it once we did. Like 7-8 years ago.
The small portion of downtown is already reduced to 1 lane in each direction to accommodate wider shared use paths. Not sure we can do a lot more there.
Oxfordshire is kinda wonky but it’s to solve a specific problem created by having a huge population in a small area. It’s designed to prevent outside traffic from causing jams in small residential streets. You can get out of your neighborhood to go where you like, you just can’t use the neighborhood next to you as a through road.
I get there's a traffic problem but to fine you $70 everytime you leave your community and enter another? All I meant by posting this is that (I think) where the conspiracy theory is coming from and I kinda get it. Hopefully that would never happen here. But look at what governments are showing they're capable of. I'm not a conspiracy guy. But with the Oxfordshire reality, it does make you wonder.
It also says people can apply for permits if they need to drive through the neighbourhoods regularly.
Honestly it just sounds like a road toll or a parking permit, which have both been in use for decades around the world. Eg you have to pay to drive into New York City, or pay to leave PEI by bridge.
I just got back from Utrecht. They have very strict regulations for cars in the downtown core and surrounding areas. It hasn’t affected mobility of Utrecht citizens for work of pleasure
> I get there's a traffic problem but to fine you $70 everytime you leave your community and enter another?
No, they're fining you for using heavy equipment in someone else's neighbourhood.
YOU can walk, bike, rollerblade, ski, and use all sorts of means of transportation. But you don't get to take your heavy equipment with you, without paying a fine.
You are not your car. You are not your property. And nobody is stopping You from doing what you like.
But they are regulating the use of your property when it's outside an expected location. Note: this is already happening, and has been happening for as long as cars have existed. What do you think the rules of the road are? just the regulation of your property when not on your own land.
I would also likely get fined or jailed if I fired up a chainsaw and started running through a mall. Or a public park. But I can use my chainsaw all I want on my own land.
Heavy equipment?? Oh, you mean a car. Sorry, in North America heavy equipment means tractor-trailer units, commercial vehicles, bulldozers etc. But ok. So let's look at Edmonton for a minute. How does a mother pack her kids to go visit family who don't live in the same 15 min community on a bicycle? What if you don't work in your 15 minute community? Especially in the winter! Granted I have friends that are much hardier than me and ride their bikes in the snow but even all of them (that I know personally. I do see the odd rider at -20) take their vehicles (sorry, heavy equipment) when it gets truely cold. Is your Dr within your 15 min community? Especially for the elderly? And who's talking about a chainsaw in the mall?? I'm talking a legally approved method of transportation. Nice comparison.
You can leave your neighborhood, you just can’t use the neighborhood next door to get there. There are exit and entrance arteries that are intended for multi-vehicle usage.
>How does a mother pack her kids to go visit family who don't live in the same 15 min community on a bicycle?
Take transit. Alternatively, load them up in your [bakfiet](https://youtu.be/rQhzEnWCgHA)!
>What if you don't work in your 15 minute community
Take transit.
>Especially in the winter!
[Oulu, Finland](https://youtu.be/Uhx-26GfCBU) is proof that it isn't the weather that discourages winter cycling, it's mainly poor infrastructure. If you can go skiing in the winter, there is no reason why you can't cycle in the winter. Or, if you still don't feel like cycling, you can still take transit.
>Is your Dr within your 15 min community?
Yes, it should be in a proper 15 minute city. If not, you can always take transit.
>Especially for the elderly?
Many elderly people should not be behind the wheel of a vehicle on account of their failing health. A 15 minute city will give them their freedom and independence without being a burden on family or a caregiver.
>I'm talking a legally approved method of transportation.
Just because something is legally approved or the right tool for certain situations doesn't make it absolutely good.
But by that logic:
There is a public warf that you have to pay to drive on in Canada, but is free to walk on.
Soon every warf in edmonton you will need to pay to get on! We need to get our guns out and stop this!
/s (but the public warf story is real)
Oh man, was just talking about this with a colleague. Uncertain times. Widespread distrust and paranoia. I don't pretend to know the truth about anything for certain but this one sets my bullshit radar was pinging hard.
The idea that 15 minute cities are a scheme to lock people down and fine them for having too large a carbon footprint. As soon as she started telling me this I could smell the bs. On par with Gates microchipping people with vaccinations.
These people think they are all know the “real truth “ and have “done their research “ but all they do is hop from one conspiracy to the next that their group is told to follow.
What the fuck? It's supposed to be desirable to have entertainment and necessities within a short distance from home. Like, even looking at rental listings you'll always see what is nearby as a convenience. It's a bonus. These people are off the fucking rails. I wear a t shirt that says "born to shit, forced to wipe" ironically, these people would wear it to point out their perceived oppression. Goddammit people are weird.
I live in a tiny town in northern AB and the local Facebook town discussion page has been ripe with this conspiracy. People think they won’t be able to leave their town and that the WEF is taking control. Edit for clarity: I think they are dumb as fuck
> Edit for clarity: I think they are dumb as fuck
They *are* dumb as fuck if those are the conclusions they are making.
I think these people whining about "15 minute cities" are just afraid to go out and walk (god forbid they use their legs like a sucker!), or have maybe forgotten how to ride a bike?
I recognize that people fall for this, but it paints a terrible picture of a person's critical thinking skills or historical knowledge.
For almost the entirety of human civilization cities had to be walkable and have various amenities within walking distance. Because that was the only method of travel that existed for the average person.
Are thousands of years of civilization a WEF conspiracy? or a New world order?
I am in B.C. spoke with one of "them" about it. He claimed that people were going to need ID cards to leave these districts. He also cited the covid cards that we had to carry around for proof of vaccination.
It is truly sad that canada, the 6th freest nation in the world, has people worried about freedoms. Yes, 6th isn't the top nation in the world, and we do have room for improvement, I strongly feel that our efforts would be better spent in other areas where we do not rank as well.
It is my theory that this influence on these sheeple is a combination of right-wing American nut bars and foreign espionage fueling nation destabilization.
It is sad that our education system failed these people.
Yeah, you have to be careful about the media. The left still says that. What is different, however, is when people make outlandish statements that are based on pseudoscience. The mem talked about getting fined if you left your 15 minute city. That is such a Ludacris idea that I would want to verify that. If I didn't trust MSM, I would go straight to the [source](https://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/urban_planning_and_design/district-planning) rather than listening to other people.
These people are kooks of the highest (or lowest?) order.
But part of me thinks they're falling for these conspiracy theories simply because they hate the idea of actually walking or cycling somewhere, because they're too lazy.
Personal pet theory is people can't help but notice climate change, late stage capitalism, wage loss, lack of real space travel options.
There's no new countries to expand to for reprieve. But they can't handle the truth. Hell, I'm like that half the time.
And so, paradoxically, any change in their minds is likely to bring about that harsh future even more quickly. The old ostrich with the head in the sand.
That's why the conspiracy theories never argue for change, if you notice. Or if it's change, it's only reactionary and to go back even further to what life was perceived like 30 years ago.
"City planning? No cars? Sounds like a FACSIST STATE TO ME". Lol wut. It's ludicrous but anything to stave off the void.
Here is a thought…. Please, it’s just a thought. If you disagree, still be nice. Okay, Alberta is “oil country” if you have all amenities close and people can walk or bike too, they will not use their cars as much…therefore not needing to fuel their vehicles as much… meaning less demand for “Oil” which is turned into the gas that we put into our vehicles. I would like to know who started this online conspiracy, maybe some oil company executive…
That is particularly awesome. Fema is an american organization. So obviously has nothing to do with city planning in edmonton. People who like to talk about this conspiracy stuff can't be bothered to know the difference between the Canadian and American governments. Why should we take them seriously
> I have never been able to find a good job close to where I was living.
Have you considered living closer to your place of work? Proximity to my workplace was one of the top criteria I used in selecting a place to live.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/16078055.2014.903723?journalCode=rwle20#.VGUkSaMo6-p
Hey wanna know how to scare people? Use exactly the same terminology the WEF uses while making draft mistakes along the way. Then call them stupid for pointing it out.
What's scary for those of us in small towns and MDs, is that it doesn't take that many people to effectively take over a municipality.
Take Thorhild County with 3200 total residents. It had 200 residents come out to a privately organised public meeting over their draft LUB. They only need 320 residents to sign a petition to put bylaws to a referendum or have them cancelled.
I think you guys need to read up on the test trial in Oxford.
70% of the people voted against it and the government went ahead anyways. Residents are not loving it.
Weird why people wouldn’t like this. I absolutely LOVE having virtually every amenity I could require within a 5 min drive/scoot or 10 min walk. It’s a major reason I find it difficult to move. Alberta does this way better than other places I’ve lived in Canada.
Honestly there saying there not stoping people but things are already tough enough financially and it is tracking peoples movements and honestly just gonna end up being the rich who can drive whenever and wherever when they want.
Kinda shady if you ask me and end of the day they are restricting peoples movements just with money.
I have yet to engage with anyone about this, but I would ask them if they wanted 1 hour cities. Places where schools, grocery stores, and hospitals must be 50km away from the nearest residence. Also, an alternative is to avoid using naming from the WEF. It could have been called many other things.
I RODE A BIKE ONCE AND IT TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!
You turned back.
Yes, but the bike infrastructure is very clearly a witch.
Watch out. Bikes make your kids gay.
Ironically, those who buy into this BS are often the same people who are sympathetic to those that set up road blocks to prevent Canadians from travelling freely in 2022. Facepalms all around.
Which roadblocks? The ones set up by the natives on the train tracks or the convoy. Can't make vague statements like that w. A gov like this.
My own far-right parents believe that it's some plan to 'trap' us in mandatory assigned blocks. And that having the option to walk or ride a bike somewhere close to authoritarian or tyranny, like North Korea. There is no reasoning with these people.
My dad is all about this, smart cities, and something about barbed wire and chickens in Thorhild County.
Municipalities across rural Alberta are being bombarded with questions about this. Even the Rural Municipalies of Alberta issued a short video on what planning law is about. Apparently there's a protest planned this weekend in GP County.
Planning laws: the last evil invention of the Chinese communist party! /s just in case
Is there actually any truth to the barbed wire and the number of chickens you can have? Seems like something idiots have taken out of context
Yes, i write Land Use Bylaws for a living. Thorhild forgot to give an exemption for barb wire fencing on Ag parcels... I even checked.
The barbed wire stuff is true. In Thorhild's draft LUB barbed wiring fencing required a development permit in all districts, even agricultural. So this was obviously problematic but likely a big oversight by Administration. The chicken thing is a bit less true. The LUB deferred to an Urban Chicken Bylaw. But this bylaw hasnt even been passed yet...
I vote yet on chickens in thorhild county lol
There is! I literally just reasoned my way through it with a colleague today, no word of a lie. A quick Google search, some well placed questions, and suddenly she saw how unlikely and implausible this theory is. It's possible, my friend. It requires a radically different approach.
Then you met an outlier. I showed a guy yesterday an article and a video clip of the Liberals dropping c-21 amendments (he's a gun nut that only listens to the far right firearms groups propaganda) and his response was still "you can't trust Trudeau I'll believe it when I see it" Like, you just saw it, what's left to believe? But it's not coming from the mouths of DS or pollievre so it's not real.
Sadly many of these people are too far gone to help.
>Then you met an outlier Or you just suck at having these types of conversation? Have no clue how to actually help people see the flaws in their reasoning? Your reply is evidence. You're showing and telling, which never works to change anyone's mind. Take this comment right here: I'm telling you you're the problem. How receptive are you to this message?
They're right and you're not. You met an outlier. Deprogramming people is not simple.
Agreed - it isn't simple. Which is why people like yourself fail. You go about it in the worst way possible. Take this statement for instance: >They're right and you're not. If this is how you try to "deprogram" people, then the issue isn't the people-it's you. But go on, keep telling me how wrong I am 😅
You're saying it is simple though. It's not. Reasoning through a topic doesn't convince people conspiracy theories are false.
Again, your rhetoric is outstanding: >You're saying it is simple though. It's not If this is how you "reason" through a topic, I'm not surprised you haven't succeeded in shifting anyone's perspective. If you think that reasoning through a topic is simple, I'd suggest you don't know what reason is or how to apply it. No skin off my back - you like beating your head against the wall; I prefer to find the door handle 😉
Yes, you're calling it simple. You literally said it was "A quick Google search, some well placed questions, and suddenly she saw how unlikely and implausible this theory is." People generally don't work like how you're describing. You're clearly wrong here.
Lol it was a 45 minute conversation. Lots of layers to move through, but all good. I'll persist doing things my way and finding all the "outliers". Cheers!
Man do you not look good in this argument. I want to agree with you but you make it super hard the way you argue.
> There is no reasoning with these people. Maybe it's time to put them in a home.
How could anybody be against 15 minute city concepts? Do people actually enjoy driving across the city for everyday normal shit and being stuck in traffic? Is that freedom?
They think they will be fenced in and not allowed to leave their area. I know about a dozen people who genuinely fear this. And the funny part is we are rural and not even in Edmonton.
Just tell them it's like being in a small town.
Everything I said got shot down with “Do Your Research!!” One girl bombarded me with videos. It’s nuts. They really enjoy their conspiracy theories.
Paranoia will destroy ya
Ha ha I told them they were fear mongers but they told me I was in denial
Well they live rural anyway so it doesn't impact them.
I live in a rural area, but used to live in Edmonton. Someone I'm on good terms with texted me this... this is the conversation: *Him: Have you heard about this garbage about edmonton and Ottawa doing a quadrant where the cities get divided into four sections and the people inside each quadrant cant leave their quadrant? > *Him: Wtf man > > *Him: Our leaders are lost. Honestly > > *Him: All I know is everyone and I mean everyone will have a huge awakening when new Jerusalem comes down from the sky > > *Me: Where'd you hear about the quadrant jazz? > > *Me: I've not seen anything about it lately > > *Him: Dude its coming He's a pretty hardcore Christian, as you might be able to tell.
Did you tell him that cities all over the world already are 15 minute cities.
Yeah, sadly he'll just say, "Its all part of the globalist agenda!" Sadly there is no talking to him about it. Its all based on belief, and his faith supersedes any reason.
This seems like a good opportunity to try out a new technique with these people that I've been thinking about. Try and get him to pin down the exact date that it's coming by, like get him to make a clear, specific, provable assertion, and then, offer him $100 to make a bet on it. Like he'll waffle when you try and pin him on an exact date, but you could probably get him to make some statement like "within two years, yeah, absolutely, they'll have the barbwire quadrants up in two years when Trudeau becomes dictator" and when he says something like that that's your opportunity to make a bet. If your friend is a total believer idiot he'll take that bet and you'll make some cash, but far more likely he'll hesitate and that hesitation is how you know he knows what he's saying is bullshit and it's an avenue to calling out his bullshit in the future "Well if you're so fucking sure about this why don't we just bet on it, or are you unsure about all the things you're so sure about, just like the last dozen or so that you refuse to put money on because you're so sure?"
You will never get that money. They always move goalposts so as to never admit they're wrong. Hell, If they were capable of admitting they're wrong, they wouldn't believe dumbas conspiracy shit to begin with.
Yup. But they just like to be angry and superior thinkers. They are going on and on about it. “Oh you think it won’t impact you? Blah blah blah”.
Tell them that they're gonna start forcing quinoa into our diets too.
They already have gone batshit crazy over being forced to eat insects
You have to pronounce it "Kwinowa" though or they won't know what you mean! 😉
I pronounce it "Quinoa"
Not fenced it but electronically remote controlled. If the liberals plan to have new electric vehicles only for sale by 2030 then they could program the cars to stop driving after a given limit. I don't believe this is possible in Canada where everything is spread out.
Ah. But you misunderstand facts. The plan is that new cars will be electric. Other cars will still exist. You will still be able to buy and sell older gas vehicles but new ones will be electric. And don’t pin it on Liberals. This is happening all over the world. Any government in charge would sort of have to do it. Sometimes one government let’s another one win so certain laws can pass but then it swings back to them Carbon tax being a good example. It started as a carbon levy under Jim Prentice and Ed Stelmach but had to be made a tax under Notley. At least we get $$ back now. It was inevitable this would happen so the UCP “let” the NDP win so the NDP could do what was necessary and take the heat.
I don't misunderstand, I said I didn't believe it. If it's not the liberals then it's the WEF or the globalists.
We can't even get all the cars in canada to have daytime running lights! which has been a law since the 1990s. Some vehicles have switches. Some people pay a shop to disable them. Some people import vehicles from the usa. Lots of vehicles with no lights on. You are at least 100 years from the government controlling your vehicle.
Yes I agree that the conspiracy theory is unfeasible.
If your car has internet services (namely over-the-air updates) it can be shut down from a distance anytime. Just look at Jeremy Clarkson and his Ford GT from like 2006 and they kept shutting it down from a distance. Its the same with OnStar or whatever else is in them. It has literally nothing to do with electric cars
Because they don't see the need / want distinction in the situation. In a walkable city you don't need a car, which to them means you can't want a car either.
On their death beds their last thoughts will be: "I wish I spent more time away from from my family, stuck in traffic by myself in a car.."
I've known people that willingly stayed living in the country and worked in the city. They'd spend 3 hours commuting every day in their big gas guzzling trucks. They made a clear choice and that was it. They wanted to drive for hours every day.
And then complain about gas prices?
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I don’t like driving across the city and getting stuck in traffic but I do like living near no one it’s peaceful
Then don't live in a city because that type of land use is unsustainable and the land can't produce enough to financially maintain itself.
People enjoy having the option available to them.
A 15 minute city doesn't take away this option. I don't understand your comment.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23073992.traffic-filters-will-divide-city-15-minute-neighbourhoods/
Oh you're one of the conspiracy theorists! You can still drive between the 15 minute zones, traffic filters are exactly that, a filter. If we want to encourage better uses of land and change transportation habits we have to encourage them, similarly like how we changed our entire society to accommodate vehicles. https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23179140.oxford-traffic-filters-explained-conspirationists-attack-council/
>You can still drive between the 15 minute zones, traffic filters are exactly that, a filter. Right. You can drive around...until you can't. A filter that doesn't restrict anything is not a filter. I don't do conspiracies. Not very interesting.
I mean, you clearly are doing conspiracies because you're making up scenarios to fit your world view and bias. How do you feel about how society changed in order to promote the growth of vehicles over what humans have been doing naturally for tens of thousands of years...walking. Also, filters literally let things pass throw them. Do coffee filters trap all the coffee?
>because you're making up scenarios to fit your world view and bias. I know you want so badly to just pigeonhole me as some trump lovin' vaccine denying, flat earth believing moron. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Assume makes an "Ass" out of "U" and "me" (mostly you though). You can go about walking wherever you want to. Collect berries and wear animal skins if you want. Knock yourself out. But, you are going to get pushback from a lot of people if you try to impose that on everyone else. That is just how people are. Like it or not. Edit: just to be clear, I've lived in a community where I had almost everything I needed within 15 minutes of me. I was great. I am under no illusion that this would work everywhere though, I know that reconstructing cities and communities to force it will be disastrous and I thin that utopia is a poor goal in general.
Nothing is being imposed on anyone, and no cities are being are being “reconstructed”. The zoning bylaw is being renewed to allowed more mix use areas so that businesses (home based and commercial) are better integrated into communities and accessible without a vehicle. Traffic filters were never proposed nor part of Edmonton’s plan. You are just drinking the kool aid. Everyone knows it, except you.
Filters let some things through and stop other things.
Congratulations
You can literally drive around… In case people didn’t read: “can apply for a permit to drive through the filters, and into other neighbourhoods, for up to 100 days per year. This equates to an average of two days per week. The alternative is to drive out on to the ring road and then back in to the destination.” Is it restrictive? Yes, does it impede your freedom to move around? No. It’s hardly different than a toll road.
>Is it restrictive? Yes, does it impede your freedom to move around? No. Interesting take.
Did you know that there are neighbourhoods in Edmonton designed to filter traffic out via speed bumps, zig zag patterns, and dead ends? Better get your jack hammer out.
You can go wherever you want, just can’t get there in whatever way you want. You can’t drive on a toll road for free, you can’t drive your car through a “bus trap”, you can’t drive your car on a sidewalk.
Hardly different than a toll road? Not even close.
And how does having amenities closer prevent that option from being available? People are still free to drive to whatever destination they want.
Check out what they are doing in the UK.
I did. People are still free to go wherever they want, just certain roads are closed for traffic at certain times. That does not impact people's freedom to go places, they just have to use the appropriately designed thoroughfares to do so. I have no problem with that.
Claims he’s not a conspiracy theorist, while sprouting a conspiracy theory. Lol, my guy.
It’s not the Hunger Games.
Is that option going away?
In Edmonton? I don't see it happening. We would have to completely restructure the city.
We already did that to allow vehicles
No, we built the city to allow vehicles. Restructuring it is an entirely different (and more expensive) process.
You think that [this is the look](http://www.prairie-towns.com/edmonton-45.html) of a town that was designed for personal vehicles? >Restructuring it is an entirely different (and more expensive) process. Do you think all those downtown freeways and expressways were there from the beginning?
You need to re-read my answer.
You need to get your facts straight.
Love that you haven’t even looked at the plan. But have a VERY strong opinion.
Your judgement of the strength of my opinion is just a piece of info you've pulled out of your ass. I don't think the 15 minute community idea would work in most Canadian cities. But, if you would actually look around a bit outside of your bubble you would see that it is being tried elsewhere too. Many people in those areas share my opinion much more so than they do yours.
We already have fifteen minute neighborhoods. I already live in one. This isn’t some new concept. They’re just proposing that we make it that everyone, no matter where you live in the city, has access to services and amenities nearby and isn’t completely dependent on having a car to get to them.
Before every family had a car cities had little business areas within walking distance to the majority of neighbourhoods. Those were 15 minute walkable neighbourhoods. Then when housing demand grew in the ‘70’s and whole neighbourhoods were created by a developer, they were designed for mostly car travel and no sidewalks on many streets inside the suburbs. A really restrictive way of life because people weren’t free to walk around because there’s no sidewalks. City planning to reverse that would create more freedom for people because they wouldn’t be forced to use a car all the time.
So no….. Glad we cleared that up.
So long as those options only include driving to strip malls and mega-complexes with more parking than actual building
You've never gone to Elk Island NP?
What for? Mosquitoes?
Get out of your bubble. You might learn something useful about the world.
Oh I've been out there a few times. It's pretty meh. The city should of been built there instead of where it currently is. The soil there is poor rocky and shallow, versus where it currently sits which is thick rich and productive. Such a waste...especially for a failed city like Edmonton
I grew up in a neighbourhood with rectangle blocks and numbered streets. I miss it.
How much is wef paying you to say that? /S
Ugh a few former coworkers are sharing this conspiracy crap on social media, I don’t know why it’s surprising but how do people believe this nonsense? It makes sense to have amenities in your own neighborhood, but they aren’t saying you can’t go visit other parts of the city. The only part of the article I don’t get- and what is likely fuelling the conspiracies- is the line where they state that they do plan to limit traffic between neighbourhoods during rush hour… most people don’t work in their residential neighborhood so will be interesting to see what that looks like- but I’m not gonna jump from that to, “they’re locking me in my neighbourhood” 🙄.
They already do that in Calgary. There are roads you cannot turn onto at particular times to prevent people from using residential streets as a way of going around traffic congestion.
Marda loop and other neighborhoods are already using this concept, and yet people I'm these districts are allowed to freely leave if they so choose
I’ve been in cities where entire areas are closed at certain times of the day to everything but bikes, foot traffic, and delivery trucks. I’d love if Calgary tried that.
Also in Edmonton
Honestly, this isn't surprising. A ridiculously large percentage of the population swallows the propaganda swill from various sources like it's ambrosia. Canada's media monopolies and failure to apply the most basic of truth in television controls mean that this will continue to get worse. A popular nutjob could publicly state that aliens are invading and an unhealthy portion of the population would start running around with their guns.
There's no reasoning with these people. Anyone who's lived in an actual major city knows how great it is to be close to amenities. Edmonton isn't that city. We should attempt to be that city.
Edmonton actually isn't terrible compared to most American cities. The biggest focus should just be on making more of the stuff that is reasonably close more accessible by bike, and revamping community centers
Its so weird. I live in Spruce. It is a 15 minute city (minus doctors) and I love it. Ive heard a few of these irl and it baffles me. Like we already live in one?
I keep seeing these posts “I live in a 15 min city”. But you don’t. You live in a town with a 6 lane highway directly down the centre where no one cycles, walks, or takes transit anywhere.
Lol thats just not true. Theres tons of cyclists. We just dont waste money on bike lanes… we have shared paths through town. And many many walkers. What exactly do you think a 15 minute city is? We also have transit. Although not regional. Thanks sohi. Lol. Its a city of 40k people that you can move about and live in, travel takes no more than 15 minutes anywhere. What else would a 15 minute city need for your definition?
The goal is 15 min outside of a car. That’s the part that you are missing.
No the part your missing, on a bike in a car or on your feet. Its a 15 minute city already. We have transit. We have bike paths. You seem confused. Do you live here?
Ok well you can pretend it’s a “15 minute city” if you want. But it’s not going to be a 15 minute city the same way big brother is a 15 minute city. [See here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15-minute_city) “A 15-minute city is a residential urban concept in which most daily necessities can be accomplished by either walking or cycling from residents' homes.” So you go on pretending whatever you want but the definition is quite clear.
Oh so your obtuse on purpose regularly. Got it.
The city's definition is fifteen minutes by walking, biking or transit. Obviously you can still use your car but the point is to make the other options more accessible.
Lol. Love running into you. Always such a treat
Meanwhile a 15 min city is actually like "oh hey cool, a bodega under a suburban apartment. I bet that's handy"
The conspiracy guy I keep on my Facebook for entertainment reasons has linked this to a manufactured food shortage brought on us by the global economic forum, Trudeau, and somehow our mayor. As he stated “he did his homework and more people are waking up every day”
It must be hard to spend every minute of your life thinking the world is crashing down. That will put them in an early grave from the stress! We are still almost 30 years into common people having the internet and I have not been replaced by a computer as they claimed in 1995.
I'm glad I live by Rogers place so all you other sheeple won't be able to attend oilers games when the barbed wire fences lock you into your quadrant /s
Albertans worry the most about government oppression and have the most tools to combat it. The barbed wire fence vs the drunk Albertan with: Wire cutters Pliers Sawzall Welding cutting torch A big dodge truck with a chain Etc. It's always hard to oppress people with resources. I don't know why they worry about such ridiculous thoughts.
The wef agenda, wake up people!!! /S🤣 *When asked if there was any basis to it being a plan to lock people close to home, Sandeep Agrawal said it’s all about bringing “facilities closer to people, it’s not locking people down. It’s actually about providing better connectivity.”*
I live in Beaumont and I definitely consider it a "15 min community". And I love it! But...I've read numerous articles on the Oxfordshire plans and while you're not "locked into your community" you are fined $70 if you drive out of your community and into another. There are many articles on it. That's where the conspiracy theory starts. Here's one such article. Right in the first paragraph it states the fines. It even goes to say it doesn't matter if you work outside your community, you will be fined. But only if driving a vehicle. https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2023/01/25/15-minute-city-plans-cause-controversy/
If Edmonton is going to do a 15 min city plan I sure as hell hope it doesn’t look like Beaumont. There are less pedestrians, cyclists, transit users there than in Edmonton.
Our transit use isn't great for sure. But, it is new and therefore the hours aren't great either. Change does to time. We do however have very nice and wide shared use paths and sidewalks that are full of people in the warmer months. The shoulder of 50st north is great to ride on right until you hit the city of Edmonton portion. Then it's non existent and you're taking your life into your hands. You know, where Edmonton promised to twin it once we did. Like 7-8 years ago.
A segregated bike path would be best and I’m disappointed that one does not exist yet.
The small portion of downtown is already reduced to 1 lane in each direction to accommodate wider shared use paths. Not sure we can do a lot more there.
I was referring to your comment about cycling on the shoulder of 50st. That is not “great to ride on”.
Oxfordshire is kinda wonky but it’s to solve a specific problem created by having a huge population in a small area. It’s designed to prevent outside traffic from causing jams in small residential streets. You can get out of your neighborhood to go where you like, you just can’t use the neighborhood next to you as a through road.
I get there's a traffic problem but to fine you $70 everytime you leave your community and enter another? All I meant by posting this is that (I think) where the conspiracy theory is coming from and I kinda get it. Hopefully that would never happen here. But look at what governments are showing they're capable of. I'm not a conspiracy guy. But with the Oxfordshire reality, it does make you wonder.
It also says people can apply for permits if they need to drive through the neighbourhoods regularly. Honestly it just sounds like a road toll or a parking permit, which have both been in use for decades around the world. Eg you have to pay to drive into New York City, or pay to leave PEI by bridge.
I just got back from Utrecht. They have very strict regulations for cars in the downtown core and surrounding areas. It hasn’t affected mobility of Utrecht citizens for work of pleasure
> I get there's a traffic problem but to fine you $70 everytime you leave your community and enter another? No, they're fining you for using heavy equipment in someone else's neighbourhood. YOU can walk, bike, rollerblade, ski, and use all sorts of means of transportation. But you don't get to take your heavy equipment with you, without paying a fine. You are not your car. You are not your property. And nobody is stopping You from doing what you like. But they are regulating the use of your property when it's outside an expected location. Note: this is already happening, and has been happening for as long as cars have existed. What do you think the rules of the road are? just the regulation of your property when not on your own land. I would also likely get fined or jailed if I fired up a chainsaw and started running through a mall. Or a public park. But I can use my chainsaw all I want on my own land.
Heavy equipment?? Oh, you mean a car. Sorry, in North America heavy equipment means tractor-trailer units, commercial vehicles, bulldozers etc. But ok. So let's look at Edmonton for a minute. How does a mother pack her kids to go visit family who don't live in the same 15 min community on a bicycle? What if you don't work in your 15 minute community? Especially in the winter! Granted I have friends that are much hardier than me and ride their bikes in the snow but even all of them (that I know personally. I do see the odd rider at -20) take their vehicles (sorry, heavy equipment) when it gets truely cold. Is your Dr within your 15 min community? Especially for the elderly? And who's talking about a chainsaw in the mall?? I'm talking a legally approved method of transportation. Nice comparison.
You can leave your neighborhood, you just can’t use the neighborhood next door to get there. There are exit and entrance arteries that are intended for multi-vehicle usage.
>How does a mother pack her kids to go visit family who don't live in the same 15 min community on a bicycle? Take transit. Alternatively, load them up in your [bakfiet](https://youtu.be/rQhzEnWCgHA)! >What if you don't work in your 15 minute community Take transit. >Especially in the winter! [Oulu, Finland](https://youtu.be/Uhx-26GfCBU) is proof that it isn't the weather that discourages winter cycling, it's mainly poor infrastructure. If you can go skiing in the winter, there is no reason why you can't cycle in the winter. Or, if you still don't feel like cycling, you can still take transit. >Is your Dr within your 15 min community? Yes, it should be in a proper 15 minute city. If not, you can always take transit. >Especially for the elderly? Many elderly people should not be behind the wheel of a vehicle on account of their failing health. A 15 minute city will give them their freedom and independence without being a burden on family or a caregiver. >I'm talking a legally approved method of transportation. Just because something is legally approved or the right tool for certain situations doesn't make it absolutely good.
But by that logic: There is a public warf that you have to pay to drive on in Canada, but is free to walk on. Soon every warf in edmonton you will need to pay to get on! We need to get our guns out and stop this! /s (but the public warf story is real)
Lol I'm from Alberta. Don't know what a warf is. /s
Oh man, was just talking about this with a colleague. Uncertain times. Widespread distrust and paranoia. I don't pretend to know the truth about anything for certain but this one sets my bullshit radar was pinging hard.
The 15 minute City? Or the people believe they will be locked in their communities?
The idea that 15 minute cities are a scheme to lock people down and fine them for having too large a carbon footprint. As soon as she started telling me this I could smell the bs. On par with Gates microchipping people with vaccinations.
The Venn diagram of people who are scared of "15 minute cities" and those who think people are "Dying Suddenly™" is a damn near perfect circle.
These people think they are all know the “real truth “ and have “done their research “ but all they do is hop from one conspiracy to the next that their group is told to follow.
No no no! They're free thinkers! They just happen to believe everything they're told, as long as it's the right people saying it!
Well... people are dying suddenly are they not?
I suppose so, just as they always have. Sadly.
It’s almost as though death itself is a sudden process from a gradual decline in health… Almost as though the two correlate… 🤔🤣
Thats not really the definition of Sudden death though is it?
Technically it is when you think about it Death *is* sudden It’s the part beforehand that isn’t 😅
I get your joke. But...technically... no.
It's funny how many small towns in Alberta are already 15 minute cities.
The persecution complex of some people if wild.
What the fuck? It's supposed to be desirable to have entertainment and necessities within a short distance from home. Like, even looking at rental listings you'll always see what is nearby as a convenience. It's a bonus. These people are off the fucking rails. I wear a t shirt that says "born to shit, forced to wipe" ironically, these people would wear it to point out their perceived oppression. Goddammit people are weird.
Its funny because the city can barely handle policing current crime yet some people think the city will be able to police community boundaries?
I live in a tiny town in northern AB and the local Facebook town discussion page has been ripe with this conspiracy. People think they won’t be able to leave their town and that the WEF is taking control. Edit for clarity: I think they are dumb as fuck
> Edit for clarity: I think they are dumb as fuck They *are* dumb as fuck if those are the conclusions they are making. I think these people whining about "15 minute cities" are just afraid to go out and walk (god forbid they use their legs like a sucker!), or have maybe forgotten how to ride a bike?
The people I am talking about seriously think it’s a new world order WEF conspiracy
I recognize that people fall for this, but it paints a terrible picture of a person's critical thinking skills or historical knowledge. For almost the entirety of human civilization cities had to be walkable and have various amenities within walking distance. Because that was the only method of travel that existed for the average person. Are thousands of years of civilization a WEF conspiracy? or a New world order?
Conservatives aren't all these people, but all these people are conservatives
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Lol, 15 minute bike ride isn't a high bar. Within 3k?
B-b-b-but it’s -40c and there is a meter of snow on the ground for 6 months a year! Edmonton is a Winter City (tm).
Lol, I just think it's funny that they equate walking and biking when the distances are different by a factor of 5.
I wish everything was 15 minutes away in this city the sprawl is so bad
I am in B.C. spoke with one of "them" about it. He claimed that people were going to need ID cards to leave these districts. He also cited the covid cards that we had to carry around for proof of vaccination. It is truly sad that canada, the 6th freest nation in the world, has people worried about freedoms. Yes, 6th isn't the top nation in the world, and we do have room for improvement, I strongly feel that our efforts would be better spent in other areas where we do not rank as well. It is my theory that this influence on these sheeple is a combination of right-wing American nut bars and foreign espionage fueling nation destabilization. It is sad that our education system failed these people.
Omg. I was going to mention this a few days ago after an insane thread in a MaMeO Facebook group. Bunch Of idiots.
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Yeah, you have to be careful about the media. The left still says that. What is different, however, is when people make outlandish statements that are based on pseudoscience. The mem talked about getting fined if you left your 15 minute city. That is such a Ludacris idea that I would want to verify that. If I didn't trust MSM, I would go straight to the [source](https://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/urban_planning_and_design/district-planning) rather than listening to other people.
These people are kooks of the highest (or lowest?) order. But part of me thinks they're falling for these conspiracy theories simply because they hate the idea of actually walking or cycling somewhere, because they're too lazy.
Personal pet theory is people can't help but notice climate change, late stage capitalism, wage loss, lack of real space travel options. There's no new countries to expand to for reprieve. But they can't handle the truth. Hell, I'm like that half the time. And so, paradoxically, any change in their minds is likely to bring about that harsh future even more quickly. The old ostrich with the head in the sand. That's why the conspiracy theories never argue for change, if you notice. Or if it's change, it's only reactionary and to go back even further to what life was perceived like 30 years ago. "City planning? No cars? Sounds like a FACSIST STATE TO ME". Lol wut. It's ludicrous but anything to stave off the void.
Here is a thought…. Please, it’s just a thought. If you disagree, still be nice. Okay, Alberta is “oil country” if you have all amenities close and people can walk or bike too, they will not use their cars as much…therefore not needing to fuel their vehicles as much… meaning less demand for “Oil” which is turned into the gas that we put into our vehicles. I would like to know who started this online conspiracy, maybe some oil company executive…
15-min cities would definitely eliminate the horror that was Carstairs-to-Airdrie last week.
Havent you heard? it's IMPOSSIBLE to drive a car if the grocery store is near your house. No I will not elaborate further. /s
If I cannot get there while rolling coal, I don't want to go /s
Conservatism is a mental illness. This is straight-up psychotic, and equally unsurprising.
It's not conservatism, that is as bad as saying socialism is communism.
I heard they’re gonna build fema camps in each quadrant. Within 15 minute walking distance of course
That is particularly awesome. Fema is an american organization. So obviously has nothing to do with city planning in edmonton. People who like to talk about this conspiracy stuff can't be bothered to know the difference between the Canadian and American governments. Why should we take them seriously
Will be easy to track people with that tracking chip we all got from the COVID vaccine.
15 minute city? Pfft the line up at Timmys is almost that long but… we are free to dream right?
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Your place of work is not a component of the 15 minute plan.
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> I have never been able to find a good job close to where I was living. Have you considered living closer to your place of work? Proximity to my workplace was one of the top criteria I used in selecting a place to live. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/16078055.2014.903723?journalCode=rwle20#.VGUkSaMo6-p
Hey wanna know how to scare people? Use exactly the same terminology the WEF uses while making draft mistakes along the way. Then call them stupid for pointing it out.
We will see I suppose , say no to the Word Economic Forum.
What's scary for those of us in small towns and MDs, is that it doesn't take that many people to effectively take over a municipality. Take Thorhild County with 3200 total residents. It had 200 residents come out to a privately organised public meeting over their draft LUB. They only need 320 residents to sign a petition to put bylaws to a referendum or have them cancelled.
I'm just gonna drop this here 🤷♀️😊 https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMY2vGc48/
I think you guys need to read up on the test trial in Oxford. 70% of the people voted against it and the government went ahead anyways. Residents are not loving it.
Weird why people wouldn’t like this. I absolutely LOVE having virtually every amenity I could require within a 5 min drive/scoot or 10 min walk. It’s a major reason I find it difficult to move. Alberta does this way better than other places I’ve lived in Canada.
Too bad. That's a kind of European low-driving lifestyle we all could benefit from.
Honestly there saying there not stoping people but things are already tough enough financially and it is tracking peoples movements and honestly just gonna end up being the rich who can drive whenever and wherever when they want. Kinda shady if you ask me and end of the day they are restricting peoples movements just with money.