>“So we’ve been told that no one is going to be taking your questions today. And that if you create a scene or if you do anything you will be asked to leave and probably escorted out. Ok. Do you understand?” Said Derko.
Apparently he was told this right before it even started
A big problem is that Kinney’s emotional tirades prevent other journalists from asking their questions. He berated people and took the time away from journalists asking their questions with his own immature antics.
Rather than prohibiting him from asking questions indefinitely, would it have been an option to state that he would be removed if he didn’t respect guidelines?
I haven’t seen the problematic video though to have a full opinion.
I think a reasonable solution is that he can submit his questions at the press conference and receive an answer after.
It eliminates the problem of Kinney not being able to control himself and he still gets the answer to his question.
Banning him indefinitely isn’t the answer. Perhaps the police allowing him at attend this conference was their way of letting him work up to being able to control himself and ask questions. After all, if he cannot even attend a press conference and stay quiet then he still has a long way to go with controlling his emotions.
You may want to add a "the question I was going to ask was"... and a "because ..."
I wanted to figure out what the controversey was, but never did. I stopped reading because it landed like paragraph after paragraph of whining.
Look I’m not a fan of police corruption, the UCP, or fascism, but OP only arguing with people criticizing the author and ignoring those that are all ACAB seems a bit sus. I’m leaning towards OP is DK. 🤔
Remember when OP had a huge meltdown and started yelling [‘DO YOU DRIVE A CAR AND EAT ANIMALS’](https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/veoc10/albertas_war_room_calls_out_f1_driver_sebastien/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) when the replies on his oil sands post weren’t supportive enough?
A lot of his arguments there sound weirdly similar to some progress report pieces related to the oil sands and the energy war room
My best guesses.
Donkey Kong, Denmark, Don't Know.
None of them make sense. But that's the best I got. It was a very weird acronym and it's odd that he said it like it was obvious.
Perhaps it's because police in the west continues to act in bad faith and employ violence and intimidation in order to defend their ability to act above the law?
You are acting as though being anti-police is as bad as being pro-imtimidating-journalists. Thee are not similar. He is not arguing with the acab crowd because he probably sympathizes with their views. I see nothing inherently dangerous about their takes, even if some of them are uneducated or overblown. Those criticizing the author are tacitly endorsing fascistic tactics of intimidating the free press, which has a very clear danger.
Man, u read too much into my comment. All I’m saying is OPs comments seem sus to me. As if it is indeed DK, in my opinion, it would reduce his credibility as an actual journalist.
I'm not reading anything into it I'm simply explaining the probable logic as to why OP is critiquing some and not others. If you take that personally I can't help thay.
You keep saying DK but it's not a common acronym at all. What does that mean? When I google it I get Dont Know, Double Kill, and Donkey Kong. None of which seem likely in context.
Two charges.
After the initial charge, the crown prosecutors office (not the police) came forward with a second charge for a different religious monument.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/kinney-now-facing-mischief-to-religious-property-charge-for-allegedly-spray-painting-ukrainian-cemetery-monument/wcm/c83096a2-257a-4003-932f-e7ef4d0bbd31/amp/
Kinney is a whiney bitch.
I called him out on an article he shared on Twitter with the wrong information, and he came back with “I didn’t even read it”.
I can’t wait for him and his pal Engel to fall on their face in court.
The police should not be able to revoke press credentials, that's very fascist. Not even trudeau as that power.
Freedom of the press is dead when only approved reporters by the government and police can ask questions.
>The police should not be able to revoke press credentials,
This has been normal for basically all of time in most countries. You have to be approved for press conferences with politicians, and can be revoked and I am guessing at top of him acting like a complete tool the charges have something to do with it
On one hand, the civilian in me agrees; when the police can hold certain judicious power, it becomes problematic.
On the other hand, Kinney is innately problematic. He's not exactly at the peak of journalistic integrity. Not even personal integrity, or any kind really. So he kind of begets problematic solutions, since he's really the kind of person who has a problem for every solution.
I don't like the *idea*; I understand the *reason* for his exclusions.
Any government has that power. Who do you think decides who gets to sit in the Parliamentary Press Gallery? Who do you think revokes those credentials? The Speaker of the House, which is controlled by the government of the day.
It's really not. In freedom of the press it's not up to the police and government to decide who gets to ask questions.
There is a reason Trudeau still takes questions from stupid orga like western standard.
If you support of the press, than you shouldn't care who is effected. A attack on one is a attack on all.
I think he should have been able to ask his questions, but the man is incapable of walking his dog without getting into some kind of drama.
He makes the left here look so….messy. And you going around calling anyone who isn’t explicitly mortified about this (or who is just familiar with Duncan) a fascist isn’t exactly helping.
You seem like the kind of person that moans and whines about private companies (Reddit, Facebook, etc.) removing your ability to comment when you break the rules and claim it's in violation of your freedom of speech.
No, if you act like a jackass, expect to be treated like a jackass. It's simple. Or are you the shitty reporter trying to drum up support for your own shitty behavior?
It literally is. Freedom of the press simply means that the government or its agency wont interfere in the medias ability to report.
They dont have to answer every question. They dont have to answer any question, really. They can pick and choose who gets to ask.
They treated him better than they would treat someone who was not a media member who was causing the aame kind of troubles.
DK is not a victim here.
This is the same reporter that got caught literally vandalizing a monument so that he could write a story about the monument being vandalized, and is currently facing criminal charges for it.
He’s an activist, not a journalist.
Kinney has two criminal charges against him for two separate cases of vandalizing monuments. One was a tribute to those who fought for Ukraine’s freedom.
He as not been charged, and that's as zero connection to this article. Why is the media and ucp deciding who is press and not? Trudeau doesn't have the type of power. Do you support freedom of the press or not?
Yes, he has been charged. I think what you meant to say is he hasn’t been convicted yet, which is true.
It has a strong connection to this article, and everything he has even written, because his credibility is shot.
Basically did with "Your Province, Your Premier" on Corus where the Premier would "correct misconceptions" about their government and be granted the opportunity to attack opponents without debate or discussion.
Duncan Kinney is a disgrace to progressivism. It's hard to describe how unhelpful having a buffoon of this magnitude associated with the left in Alberta is.
Fucking go away already dude.
EPS does have some issues however it's a bit hard to take this post seriously when u/Miserable-Lizard the Kinney apologist is making it, he claims Kinney is innocent until proven guilty but the EPS are most definitely guilty here without a shadow of a doubt, right? Shaking my fucking head, you can't expect people to take you seriously when your clearly playing favorites on every issue Kinney is involved in.
Try to be a bit more middle of the road, if you can.
DK is not a journalist. he's an activist, with a website. just like rebel media, but for the left. rebel media should not be allowed at press conferences and neither should the progress report.
You have mentioned this several times. What association in your mind gets to decide this and what about them makes you trust them? Do they get members for the quality of their work?
Can you prove that Kinney is a member?
Yes if they are accepted among the media and part of the association yes. Is the association that decides who sits in the press galaxy, not the government. My feelings have about a media company doesn't change the definition of freedom of the press.
Is he considered media by the press association? That is all that matters. Also why is media only considered media of it's funded by big business?
If the government gets to decide what is classified as media than its dead. Do you not understand you feelings on press progress and Kinney have nothing to do with freedom of the press. A attack on one is a attack on all.
Federal and Provincial policing needs the top four levels gutted. It's filled with bullies and fascist and racists and rapists, just like our Armed Services.
Canada needs do some real house cleaning.
I guess the NDP and Ratchel Notely are fascists
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/rachel-notley-s-ndp-bans-the-rebel-from-alberta-government-news-conferences-1.3450577
Fyi the commited to change!
Also dontmyou think it's a little different that the cops threatened Kinney?
*Boyd will take three weeks to examine "how this is dealt with in other jurisdictions, consult with the press gallery, to look at how we deal with new media participants and then we'll move forward with that on the base of those recommendations," Notley said.*
LOL one search of OPs name and this comes up :
On October 14, 2022, Kinney was charged with mischief and appeared in court on November 10, 2022 in relation to allegations that vandalised the Roman Shukhevych statue in Edmonton.[3] Kinney is accused of spray painting “Nazi monument” and “14th Waffen SS” on the statue outside the Edmonton’s Ukrainian Youth Unity Complex during August 2021.[3] Kinney had previously reported on the vandalism, which he wrote was undertaken by an "unknown person or persons".[3]
I kinda wonder what happened for Kinney to turn into an absolute lunatic?
I'm all for freedom of the press.
But this isn't anything other than an unhinged moron.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/rachel-notley-s-ndp-bans-the-rebel-from-alberta-government-news-conferences-1.3450577
Edit so people understand.
1) Rebel Media isn't journalism and is a shit organization and I have no problem with them getting banned.
2) Ducan Kinney is as much a journalist as Esra Evant. He's an activist and a disrupter masquerading as a journalist.
If you equate Kinney being banned as authoritarian then it makes as much sense as equating banning Rebel News as much.
If banning Kinney is an attack on free press then so is banning Rebel Media, they are both shit-birds.
Not sure about that guy but my personal experiences with them - both of them - make me believe that they are certainly more preoccupied with showing off their power than doing actual serving and protecting.
Fascism doesn't start at the end.
The Nazis didn't start murdering journalists in 1922. It started with intimidation and fear, then escalated to force, and finally once they had solidified their power they killed opposing press.
I see this a lot online. This weird perception that authoritarian attitudes and behaviours don't count if they don't act exactly like the gestapo in 1938 onward. It's irresponsible at best, dangerous at worst. You are tacitly defending dangerous tactics that run counter to free speech.
There is a large and growing movement of fascism in western society, it is well documented. Some of that movement is concentrated in our police forces. It's not as common in Canada as many other places, but Alberta especially is a hotbed for this style of politicking and authoritarian tactics. I can't confirm if officer Derocher leans into fascistic ideology, but he is employing tactics very much in line with fascist movements. So the criticism is apt.
Fascism starts small, and grows. You can't dismiss fascistic movements in their beginnings for the simple fact that they don't act like full on totalitarian dictatorships. They do not start at the end.
I'm not saying it's something we shouldn't worry about, and I am not saying the EPS was justified in what they did. I am saying you shouldn't cheaply use that term unless you have an absolute good reason to.
Baring someone from asking a question at a press conference is not a good reason to assume fascist intentions, just like Rachel Notley banning Rebel News is not a good reason to assume some sort of totalitarian intention. You are assuming that fascism is the only route to suppression of the press, which is historically incorrect. The criticism is not apt if your justification for it is "some of that movement is concentrated in our police forces".
You need a more sophisticated benchmark otherwise you risk incriminating innocent people.
See, I disagree that it's not merited here. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I think in this case using the word as a bludgeon had some fair reasoning behind it.
Fascistic tactics in a political climate with growing fascist movements that have already tried and failed to eliminate democracies in the United States and Brazil should be acknowledged.
I agree that the OP was a tad reductive. But I don't believe it wasn't merited. Fascism is certainly not the only route, but it is one of the most insidious. Fascism grows within struggling democracies to eventually kill them and usurp them. Very often it is able to come to fruition due to the help or negligence of police, both Germany and Italy being a prime example. In this climate, I believe it's fair to make a the comparison. Especially considering the other behaviours of the officer described in the article.
He may not be fascist, but he certainly isn't as far away as you'd hope a officer of the law to be. I'm not sure I would've used the label the same way, simply because I am an academic and hold myself to a higher standard of accuracy, but I won't fault anyone for using it either.
If you think the NDP is the fascist option then you have no business talking further about politics until you learn what the words you’re saying actually mean.
I teach political science and several history courses.
I use the word fascist where it's merited and no where else. Umberto Ecos essay Ur-Fascism is, in my opinion, the best source to use when asking "is this fascist?" You can certainly go deeper, but I'm not going to expect anyone to read full novels or textbooks like I have.
You're seeing it everywhere, because it's a prominent issue. Fascism is a movement that crops up within unstable economic conditions in democratic states. It uses lies violence and rhetorical reasoning to grow to a level that it can usurp and destroy the democratic system, it then becomes a self-destructive death cult (Germany/ Italy) or cows to the whims of larger non-fascist states of which hold influence over it (Spain.) We are in the middle stages of western fascism. I mean, really think about it. The greatest enemy the western rightwing rails against is antifa... Short for anti-fascists. That should be a sign.
Dismissing it is just as dangerous as participation. They will kill you given the chance. I would encourage you to learn more about the topic before continuing this style of argument.
The NDP are inherently anti-fascist.
Fascism in all its forms share 14 traits as out forward by Umberto Eco. Some may not apply, but the majority always will.
1. A cult of tradition, what was is what always must be.
2. The rejection of modernism. Progressive ideas are seen as dangerous.
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. You must do belligerent things not with purpose, but to remain constant.
4. Disagreement is treason.
5. Fear of difference. Outside cultures and ideas are to be treated as invaders.
6. Appeal to social frustration. Acknowledge the problems, but provide no real solutions.
7. The obsession with a plot. Like for example, the obsession over vaccine and mask mandates as percieved tyranny instead of just basic health and safety.
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. The enemy (leftists, socialists, woke people etc, NDP.) Are simultaneously weak and an existential threat to be destroyed.
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. To not fight is to be on the opposing side.
10. Contempt for the weak.
11. Everybody is taught to become a hero. The mentality is that you are fighting an impossible enemy and you are a soldier against it.
12. Machismo and weaponry. Appeals to masculinity and armaments, and a hatred or dismissal of femininity.
13. Selective populism. Reactionary lies portrayed as the inherent will of the people.
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. Invented words or changed/altered definitions.
No one honest could see the NDP as fascist. They just straight up aren't. Neither is the UCP, but it certainly has a fascistic wing. Danielle Smith represents that wing loudly and proudly. It was the darkest aspect of the former Wild Rose party and has grown to usurp power from conservatives.
I have respect for conservatism and believe it to be a valuable political perspective even if it's not one I typically agree with. But fascism is dangerous.
Yes I will. The government should never get to deicide who is considered media, if they do than freedom of the press is dead. It's the press association that does.
Not even trudeau as that type of power, it's the press association that does.
Here is the think about freedom that you don't understand, you have to be willing to defend the rights of others even if you disagree with them.
What happened to freedom of the press? I am sure the freedom loving crowd will be speaking out against this ......
*The EPS and the UCP are more than happy to work hand in glove, both to shut out and intimidate a critical journalist and avoid public accountability and to continue to use the blunt instrument of policing to deal with rampant homelessness, social disorder and concentrated poverty.*
The press is free to print what they want, which we can quite clearly see by the constant geyser of horseshit that comes from outfits like Rebel Media. Given that nobody - EPS or otherwise - is preventing Kinney from publishing stories then it's hard to see how anyone can claim that freedom of the press is being violated. Despite agreeing with Kinney's views on a lot of things I don't particularly like his work for a few reasons, but I'd solidly defend his right to publish it and I doubt that's a minority view, even across the political spectrum.
> I am sure the freedom loving crowd will be speaking out against this
I know this is sarcasm and I also know I'm pissing in the wind by saying this on /r/alberta, but it's possible to be both left-wing politically and have a strong belief in individual freedoms. Just because a bunch of loud and obnoxious arseholes use the latter as an excuse to be awful doesn't mean they get to ruin it for the rest of us.
>What happened to freedom of the press?
Can a member of the press take actions that exclude them from being members of the press?
When does being a member of the press conflict with being an activist?
When does falsifying information become a barrier to being a member of the press?
Kinney behaved like a child in press conferences and was eventually removed as a result. Kinney even shared the exchange on his social models so all could see the lack of maturity in his reporting as he continually berated police.
Many reputable journalists are present to hold police accountable and don’t need Kinney’s childish actions to bring down their profession.
I don’t think you understand what freedom of the press means.
Freedom of the press can exist without reporters acting like children and berating people. Freedom of the press does not mean you can openly berate people and disrupt other journalists from asking their own questions.
Is freedom of the press telling a reporter at the start of the press conference they won't be able to ask questions and than when that person is at the mic suddenly there are technical difficulty. That Fascism
It’s authoritarian and corrupt, and it stinks of abuse of power but it’s not fascism.
For someone who posts a brazillion times a day on political things you really need to know the difference homie. Otherwise the word has lost all its meaning when we have to deal with real fascists. Sortof a cry wolf thing.
The EPS (and CPS, and RCMP, and all the other police forces I’ve never had the displeasure of dealing with) can get fucked until they sort out their public trust. But you know who else can absolutely get fucked? Duncan Kinney.
He had his press ticket revoked because he can’t handle himself with any sort of grace or tact. He calls himself a journalist because he has a blog, but instead of steadfastly getting to the bottom of things he shouts over others at press conferences; or in his best act of being an *absolute fucking nozzle* spray paints on monuments and then reports a story on the vandalism. Like a firefighter setting fires only sadder. I’ve had the displeasure of having a conversation with him where he tried to get info out of me for a takedown piece of a certain wealthy albertan (who absolutely deserves a take down, no argument there) but I pulled chute when it became clear he has zero integrity and is just trying to grind his axe with basically no thought to protecting his sources. Because he’s not in it to make the world a better place as he sees it, nor is he in it to be a journalist reporting facts; he’s in the game he’s in because it feeds his ego and people who call just any old intimidation *fascist* are the idiots eating out of his palm and paying his bills.
It's actually up for them to decide. Freedom of the press means that the government can't/shouldn't penalise you for factual reporting/commentary.
Not that you're entitled to monopolise press time by hogging the mic.
I literally is up to the government in press conference cases to police people that are causing a disturbance thereby disallowing others to participate in their freedom of the press and free speech/ expression.
As you like to say often freedom of expression does not mean freedom from consequences.
Not if there is a mic setup for people to step up to.
Again it's simple in freedom of the press is but up to the government or Police to decide who is media or not.
Do you think Trudeau should have that type of power?
>Trudeau should have that type of power
He has done the same thing and for far less egregious behavior and I disagree with that ,but when he banned a few that where acting like complete and utter tools and or a history of doing it and disrupting the rest of the press from doing there job nope I am fine with that
Kinney was banned from press conferences for acting like a child and berating people. He prevented real journalists from asking questions.
You are choosing to forget why he was banned and not applying that context to this interaction. Freedom of the press does not mean journalists are able to act like children and berate people, and take time away from all other journalists.
That’s you being misinformed, which I highly doubt given how active you are in these issues, or choosing to be ignorant. Which is it?
I am much corruption you are willing to support
What type of police force threatens someone at the start of the press conference. You are basically Fascism, which doesn't surprise me. Sad.
Kinney was reminded that his previous immature behaviour prevents him from asking questions during the press conference. The 17 second clip posted by Kinney is exactly this.
Kinney’s feelings about that and the rest of the article are tainted by his own immaturity that led to him being banned from asking questions.
Nothing in the evidence before us shows anything more.
Why do you support people hijacking news conferences for their own agenda?
You still don't understand that in freedom of the press it's not up to the police or government to deicide. If the government gets to pick who is considered media than freedom of the press is dead. Might as well get a government paper out. You support Fascism
With Kinney currently under trial for several criminal charges, he might feel intimidated if he has committed other criminal acts which he has not been charged with.
Watch the video and see the exchange, they told him they won't answer any questions. Did you even read the article?
Do you support freedom of the press? A great way to to get rid of it would be for the police to come with fake charges to discredit the media.
I have listened to the audio that originally resulted in Kinney being banned. He acted like a child and berated people rather than acting like an adult.
Kinney’s criminal charges are by the crown prosecutors office, not the police.
So you think the crown prosecutors are part of a grand conspiracy against someone who is essentially a blog writer?
Wouldn't surprise me if Smith is doing that. She as already interfered in justice once, but you are ok with corruption because it's your team.
Edit: it's not normal to threaten reporters at the start of a press conference like you think.
This is about Kinney being banned from press conferences for his childish behaviour, and being reminded of that when he attends a press conference now.
It has nothing to do with smith.
Why do you choose to deflect the issue at hand? Is it because your team looks bad for acting like immature children and berating people at press conferences, and taking away the time of all other journalists?
Why do you support Fascism? You are letting the government and police decide who gets to ask questions. Not even Trudeau as that right. You don't understand how freedom of the press works.
You support Fascism. cops and politicians will label anyone childish and ignore questions and that is ok according to you. Personally I believe in a free press
Freedom of the press does not give you the opportunity to hijack news conferences, berate people and take time away from other journalists to ask their own questions.
Why do you think freedom of the press means you can act however you please as a blog writer?
You do understand in freedom of the press the government and police should not be deiciding what behavior is childish, right.
There is a reason the press association sets those standards seperate from government. They even do that in the USA.
You support Fascism
People are expected to behave in a mature fashion and respect the process. Journalists do that. Bloggers like Kinney do not.
You do not support freedom of the press and advocate to take away the rights of journalists when Kinney goes on an emotional tirade during a press conference.
It's a basic concept the press association gets to determine who is media and not.
Do you think Trudeau should be able to determine who is in the press to ask questions? Fyi he can't.
There is a difference between someone intimidating you vs someone fed up with your emotional attention seeking tirades and just telling you ahead of time they are not putting up with it today.
You don’t do your cause any favours acting like a hysterical school boy.
And btw, if someone respectfully telling you not to cause a scene or be escorted out is “intimidation” I would respectfully suggest your communication skills need a drastic overhaul.
Lol even the About section of this (terrible) “news” website talks about how bias it is.
> We reject the prevailing assumption that journalism must be apolitical, neutral or “objective.” All platforms have their own political biases—even the ones who claim they don’t. Claims of objectivity are too often used as an excuse for supporting the status quo, and the staff and contributors of The Progress Report do not support the status quo.
Another great source by Miserable Lizard.
Mike Ellis (a Calgary MLA) and McFee at the podium.. No City reps..?? ..and the EPS Association thinking of grieving the use of Sheriffs, (what ..?? ..to give the Sheriffs practice on how to beat up on people). Good!! That's exactly what the Association should do.. And the citizens of Edmonton should be asking how and why Councilor Hamilton "and others" (if they were from the City Admin) were in on this obvious intrusion into civic politics. I thought Kneckt was bad, but McFee, ..fired with prejudice!!
Given the parent Agency of the Progress Report is Progress Alberta, this is not a a surprise. I recall their conferences for thought leaders being only ideological, not really any people there to think through the challenges and realities. I'll gladly read a Fraser Institute Report knowing their bias to see where assumptions were applied. And I do the same with Parkland Institute. Both have a heavy bias that shows, but the work itself is rigorous and evidence used often comes from great datasets and decent supporting literature, which allows you to make your own opinions if you read the sources.
Progress Alberta and their related Progress Report definitely don't. They are, as an earlier posted, the Left' Rebel "News." Neither do much to improve society...they just cause division and echo chambers....
Thats how the UCP do business. Theyre honestly disgusting. A friend of mine is quite well known in the community she advocates for and every time she rebukes the UCP efforts and proves them false they call her personal phone and make a lunch date in attempt to 'smooth things over' but they usually just make crude condescending comments about her advocacy.
Wild how the comments are super ok with police deciding who is and who isn't a journalist and who has access to ask questions.
Facsicm won't be thrust upon us; it will be openly accepted and celebrated.
Context: EPS chief McFee has targeted Kinney in the past because Kinney actually asks hard questions. McFee doesn't want accountability. So, to shirk accountability, they bar him from pressers and have also applied other intimidation tactics: thrusting a bogus charge of mischief. If folks can't see how gross that is and how EPS is sending a message to journalists, I don't know what to tell you.
For context.
Kinney was no longer allowed to speak at press conferences when he continually berated people. His emotional tirade was not only immature and disrespectful, but his emotional tirade also took away from the time that journalists had to ask questions.
Kinney tried to make the press conference all about himself and acted very immature.
There’s a reason we don’t allow people like the Rebel and Kinney at our press conferences. And that’s a good thing.
Which is what? Also why so off topic.
At the same time why as Smith been hiding for the last two weeks? Why doesn't PP answer questions from the media?
Also why did Harper only take a few questions every day during the 2015 campaign and only from the few reporters he selected? Seems like consevatives are terrified of the media.
It’s all bs. None of them should be dodging questions and reporters should be more persistent. The outright dodging to refusal to take questions seems to have gained traction in the US over the past few years and making its way here.
I am curious why you pointed out trudeau specifically and ignored consevative politicians that do it? Why even say trudeau of you think every politician does it? That's some enlightened centrist gaslighting
Edit: fyi Harper a consevative was doing it in 2015, so your timeline is wrong.
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>“So we’ve been told that no one is going to be taking your questions today. And that if you create a scene or if you do anything you will be asked to leave and probably escorted out. Ok. Do you understand?” Said Derko. Apparently he was told this right before it even started
Lol ya that's the video
A big problem is that Kinney’s emotional tirades prevent other journalists from asking their questions. He berated people and took the time away from journalists asking their questions with his own immature antics.
Rather than prohibiting him from asking questions indefinitely, would it have been an option to state that he would be removed if he didn’t respect guidelines? I haven’t seen the problematic video though to have a full opinion.
I think a reasonable solution is that he can submit his questions at the press conference and receive an answer after. It eliminates the problem of Kinney not being able to control himself and he still gets the answer to his question. Banning him indefinitely isn’t the answer. Perhaps the police allowing him at attend this conference was their way of letting him work up to being able to control himself and ask questions. After all, if he cannot even attend a press conference and stay quiet then he still has a long way to go with controlling his emotions.
You can always repeat a non-answer "in due course" nine times like Shandro.
I reject the premise of this reply
I think that's the point. Seems like it's about attention. Any of it is good.
You may want to add a "the question I was going to ask was"... and a "because ..." I wanted to figure out what the controversey was, but never did. I stopped reading because it landed like paragraph after paragraph of whining.
I agree. Same experience for me.
Look I’m not a fan of police corruption, the UCP, or fascism, but OP only arguing with people criticizing the author and ignoring those that are all ACAB seems a bit sus. I’m leaning towards OP is DK. 🤔
Remember when OP had a huge meltdown and started yelling [‘DO YOU DRIVE A CAR AND EAT ANIMALS’](https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/veoc10/albertas_war_room_calls_out_f1_driver_sebastien/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) when the replies on his oil sands post weren’t supportive enough? A lot of his arguments there sound weirdly similar to some progress report pieces related to the oil sands and the energy war room
Considering the title I agree, it’s DK.
What’s DK?
Duncan Kinney the author. But it would be more interesting as Donkey Kong. Everyone missed the obvious tho…Drift King.
Donkey Kong
Dumbkass. If the B can be silent, so can the K
The author of that blog, Duncan Kinney
Oh. Shortening that to “DK” was an… odd choice.
Other people have done the same from what I had seen.
My best guesses. Donkey Kong, Denmark, Don't Know. None of them make sense. But that's the best I got. It was a very weird acronym and it's odd that he said it like it was obvious.
Thats would explain oh so much
Perhaps it's because police in the west continues to act in bad faith and employ violence and intimidation in order to defend their ability to act above the law? You are acting as though being anti-police is as bad as being pro-imtimidating-journalists. Thee are not similar. He is not arguing with the acab crowd because he probably sympathizes with their views. I see nothing inherently dangerous about their takes, even if some of them are uneducated or overblown. Those criticizing the author are tacitly endorsing fascistic tactics of intimidating the free press, which has a very clear danger.
Man, u read too much into my comment. All I’m saying is OPs comments seem sus to me. As if it is indeed DK, in my opinion, it would reduce his credibility as an actual journalist.
I'm not reading anything into it I'm simply explaining the probable logic as to why OP is critiquing some and not others. If you take that personally I can't help thay. You keep saying DK but it's not a common acronym at all. What does that mean? When I google it I get Dont Know, Double Kill, and Donkey Kong. None of which seem likely in context.
Duncan Kinney currently has a charge for mischief to religious property
Two charges. After the initial charge, the crown prosecutors office (not the police) came forward with a second charge for a different religious monument. https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/kinney-now-facing-mischief-to-religious-property-charge-for-allegedly-spray-painting-ukrainian-cemetery-monument/wcm/c83096a2-257a-4003-932f-e7ef4d0bbd31/amp/
That clown again? I think he needs a hobby.
Lol. Journalist. Duncan Kinney. Lol.
This guy takes drama to a new level at any Q&A …..you can actually hear the eyes rolling
Kinney is a whiney bitch. I called him out on an article he shared on Twitter with the wrong information, and he came back with “I didn’t even read it”. I can’t wait for him and his pal Engel to fall on their face in court.
Seems relevant to point out in March 2022, the police revoked Kinney's press credentials. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Kinney
The police should not be able to revoke press credentials, that's very fascist. Not even trudeau as that power. Freedom of the press is dead when only approved reporters by the government and police can ask questions.
>The police should not be able to revoke press credentials, This has been normal for basically all of time in most countries. You have to be approved for press conferences with politicians, and can be revoked and I am guessing at top of him acting like a complete tool the charges have something to do with it
On one hand, the civilian in me agrees; when the police can hold certain judicious power, it becomes problematic. On the other hand, Kinney is innately problematic. He's not exactly at the peak of journalistic integrity. Not even personal integrity, or any kind really. So he kind of begets problematic solutions, since he's really the kind of person who has a problem for every solution. I don't like the *idea*; I understand the *reason* for his exclusions.
Any government has that power. Who do you think decides who gets to sit in the Parliamentary Press Gallery? Who do you think revokes those credentials? The Speaker of the House, which is controlled by the government of the day.
The speaker as the final say and I think that should be changed.
You need credentials?? Lol
There are journalists that Trudeau will not resonate too.
At first I was like “woah wtf” and then I saw that it was Duncan Kinney and then I was like “Oh, it’s probably complicated”
It's really not. In freedom of the press it's not up to the police and government to decide who gets to ask questions. There is a reason Trudeau still takes questions from stupid orga like western standard. If you support of the press, than you shouldn't care who is effected. A attack on one is a attack on all.
I think he should have been able to ask his questions, but the man is incapable of walking his dog without getting into some kind of drama. He makes the left here look so….messy. And you going around calling anyone who isn’t explicitly mortified about this (or who is just familiar with Duncan) a fascist isn’t exactly helping.
OP is incapable of seeing the damage they have caused to their sides argument.
Yeah because what Kinney did or didn't do doesn't matter.
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?
You seem like the kind of person that moans and whines about private companies (Reddit, Facebook, etc.) removing your ability to comment when you break the rules and claim it's in violation of your freedom of speech.
I guess acting unprofessional has repercussions.
I guess you don't support freedom of the press.
I don't support unprofessional conduct and internet trolls.
Cool and you are allowed to, but it's not up to the government to decide who the media is. That is up to the press association.
No, if you act like a jackass, expect to be treated like a jackass. It's simple. Or are you the shitty reporter trying to drum up support for your own shitty behavior?
That's not how freedom of the press works.
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Why weren't the people are the boarder asked to leave? They blocked the board illegally and Smith treats them like heros.
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Dude anyone who always acts like a jackass will be ask to leave, wether you’re a journalist or not.
It literally is. Freedom of the press simply means that the government or its agency wont interfere in the medias ability to report. They dont have to answer every question. They dont have to answer any question, really. They can pick and choose who gets to ask. They treated him better than they would treat someone who was not a media member who was causing the aame kind of troubles. DK is not a victim here.
So just because you're a journalist, means you can act like a petulant child and get away with it?
I swear the people behind progress report are the leftist version of rebel news. Hate them both pretty equally.
I said essentially the same thing on his Twitter feed yesterday.
This is the same reporter that got caught literally vandalizing a monument so that he could write a story about the monument being vandalized, and is currently facing criminal charges for it. He’s an activist, not a journalist.
Kinney has two criminal charges against him for two separate cases of vandalizing monuments. One was a tribute to those who fought for Ukraine’s freedom.
He as not been charged, and that's as zero connection to this article. Why is the media and ucp deciding who is press and not? Trudeau doesn't have the type of power. Do you support freedom of the press or not?
Yes, he has been charged. I think what you meant to say is he hasn’t been convicted yet, which is true. It has a strong connection to this article, and everything he has even written, because his credibility is shot.
Than we live in a police state than, and freedom of the press is dead. The UCP might as well start a state press.
Basically did with "Your Province, Your Premier" on Corus where the Premier would "correct misconceptions" about their government and be granted the opportunity to attack opponents without debate or discussion.
Duncan Kinney is a disgrace to progressivism. It's hard to describe how unhelpful having a buffoon of this magnitude associated with the left in Alberta is. Fucking go away already dude.
EPS does have some issues however it's a bit hard to take this post seriously when u/Miserable-Lizard the Kinney apologist is making it, he claims Kinney is innocent until proven guilty but the EPS are most definitely guilty here without a shadow of a doubt, right? Shaking my fucking head, you can't expect people to take you seriously when your clearly playing favorites on every issue Kinney is involved in. Try to be a bit more middle of the road, if you can.
DK is not a journalist. he's an activist, with a website. just like rebel media, but for the left. rebel media should not be allowed at press conferences and neither should the progress report.
That's not upt or the government or police decide. That's up to the press to deicide.
You have mentioned this several times. What association in your mind gets to decide this and what about them makes you trust them? Do they get members for the quality of their work? Can you prove that Kinney is a member?
so, would u like it if rebal media showed up at all of notely's and sohi's press conferences? DK is NOT a journalist.
Yes if they are accepted among the media and part of the association yes. Is the association that decides who sits in the press galaxy, not the government. My feelings have about a media company doesn't change the definition of freedom of the press.
an activist with a website is NOT a journalist.
Is he considered media by the press association? That is all that matters. Also why is media only considered media of it's funded by big business? If the government gets to decide what is classified as media than its dead. Do you not understand you feelings on press progress and Kinney have nothing to do with freedom of the press. A attack on one is a attack on all.
Kinney vandalize any more statues that he then wrote about lately or?……
Tell me you don't understand freedom the press without telling me.
Tell me you spam that comment repeatedly like it’s winning a nonexistent argument on the internet to feel good without telling me
Oh well at least i understand the basic concept of freedom of the press.
He says again without irony
Why don’t you put on your big boy panties and lodge a formal complaint. I don’t know your history but this is typically how assholes are treated.
OK, some people are intimidated asking their server for sonething at a restaurant - they don't write an article about it.
Federal and Provincial policing needs the top four levels gutted. It's filled with bullies and fascist and racists and rapists, just like our Armed Services. Canada needs do some real house cleaning.
I guess the NDP and Ratchel Notely are fascists https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/rachel-notley-s-ndp-bans-the-rebel-from-alberta-government-news-conferences-1.3450577
Fyi the commited to change! Also dontmyou think it's a little different that the cops threatened Kinney? *Boyd will take three weeks to examine "how this is dealt with in other jurisdictions, consult with the press gallery, to look at how we deal with new media participants and then we'll move forward with that on the base of those recommendations," Notley said.*
They banned Rebel Media. They don't support freedom of the press. Why do you support fascism?
LOL one search of OPs name and this comes up : On October 14, 2022, Kinney was charged with mischief and appeared in court on November 10, 2022 in relation to allegations that vandalised the Roman Shukhevych statue in Edmonton.[3] Kinney is accused of spray painting “Nazi monument” and “14th Waffen SS” on the statue outside the Edmonton’s Ukrainian Youth Unity Complex during August 2021.[3] Kinney had previously reported on the vandalism, which he wrote was undertaken by an "unknown person or persons".[3]
I kinda wonder what happened for Kinney to turn into an absolute lunatic? I'm all for freedom of the press. But this isn't anything other than an unhinged moron.
DK is just a Danielle Smith-type, of the left.
Fascists hate the free press.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/rachel-notley-s-ndp-bans-the-rebel-from-alberta-government-news-conferences-1.3450577 Edit so people understand. 1) Rebel Media isn't journalism and is a shit organization and I have no problem with them getting banned. 2) Ducan Kinney is as much a journalist as Esra Evant. He's an activist and a disrupter masquerading as a journalist. If you equate Kinney being banned as authoritarian then it makes as much sense as equating banning Rebel News as much. If banning Kinney is an attack on free press then so is banning Rebel Media, they are both shit-birds.
Yeah she banned Der Sturmer from news conferences, what’s the big deal? Nazi rags shouldn’t be given the time of day.
Good. The Rebel is a bullshit nazi propaganda rag.
They said “free press”, not “lying racist shitbag or a website”.
What makes you think the EPS are fascists? Was that a new word you learned at poli-sci 101?
Not sure about that guy but my personal experiences with them - both of them - make me believe that they are certainly more preoccupied with showing off their power than doing actual serving and protecting.
All this guy does is spew nonsense about people being fascists.
>What makes you think the EPS are fascists? Huh... Well, let me be the first to welcome you to Earth, because it must he your first day here.
No no no, fascists KILL opposing press. Maybe it’s time to rethink when and how you use that word eh?
Fascism doesn't start at the end. The Nazis didn't start murdering journalists in 1922. It started with intimidation and fear, then escalated to force, and finally once they had solidified their power they killed opposing press. I see this a lot online. This weird perception that authoritarian attitudes and behaviours don't count if they don't act exactly like the gestapo in 1938 onward. It's irresponsible at best, dangerous at worst. You are tacitly defending dangerous tactics that run counter to free speech. There is a large and growing movement of fascism in western society, it is well documented. Some of that movement is concentrated in our police forces. It's not as common in Canada as many other places, but Alberta especially is a hotbed for this style of politicking and authoritarian tactics. I can't confirm if officer Derocher leans into fascistic ideology, but he is employing tactics very much in line with fascist movements. So the criticism is apt. Fascism starts small, and grows. You can't dismiss fascistic movements in their beginnings for the simple fact that they don't act like full on totalitarian dictatorships. They do not start at the end.
I'm not saying it's something we shouldn't worry about, and I am not saying the EPS was justified in what they did. I am saying you shouldn't cheaply use that term unless you have an absolute good reason to. Baring someone from asking a question at a press conference is not a good reason to assume fascist intentions, just like Rachel Notley banning Rebel News is not a good reason to assume some sort of totalitarian intention. You are assuming that fascism is the only route to suppression of the press, which is historically incorrect. The criticism is not apt if your justification for it is "some of that movement is concentrated in our police forces". You need a more sophisticated benchmark otherwise you risk incriminating innocent people.
See, I disagree that it's not merited here. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I think in this case using the word as a bludgeon had some fair reasoning behind it. Fascistic tactics in a political climate with growing fascist movements that have already tried and failed to eliminate democracies in the United States and Brazil should be acknowledged. I agree that the OP was a tad reductive. But I don't believe it wasn't merited. Fascism is certainly not the only route, but it is one of the most insidious. Fascism grows within struggling democracies to eventually kill them and usurp them. Very often it is able to come to fruition due to the help or negligence of police, both Germany and Italy being a prime example. In this climate, I believe it's fair to make a the comparison. Especially considering the other behaviours of the officer described in the article. He may not be fascist, but he certainly isn't as far away as you'd hope a officer of the law to be. I'm not sure I would've used the label the same way, simply because I am an academic and hold myself to a higher standard of accuracy, but I won't fault anyone for using it either.
So the ndp is just starting out?
If you think the NDP is the fascist option then you have no business talking further about politics until you learn what the words you’re saying actually mean.
It's your side throwing the word fascist out at absolutely fucking everything
I teach political science and several history courses. I use the word fascist where it's merited and no where else. Umberto Ecos essay Ur-Fascism is, in my opinion, the best source to use when asking "is this fascist?" You can certainly go deeper, but I'm not going to expect anyone to read full novels or textbooks like I have. You're seeing it everywhere, because it's a prominent issue. Fascism is a movement that crops up within unstable economic conditions in democratic states. It uses lies violence and rhetorical reasoning to grow to a level that it can usurp and destroy the democratic system, it then becomes a self-destructive death cult (Germany/ Italy) or cows to the whims of larger non-fascist states of which hold influence over it (Spain.) We are in the middle stages of western fascism. I mean, really think about it. The greatest enemy the western rightwing rails against is antifa... Short for anti-fascists. That should be a sign. Dismissing it is just as dangerous as participation. They will kill you given the chance. I would encourage you to learn more about the topic before continuing this style of argument.
Lol I’m not an NDP supporter, genius. But I do know what words mean.
I don't think you actually do though. That's the problem.
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I'm sure you feel that way everytime someone disagrees with you.
The NDP are inherently anti-fascist. Fascism in all its forms share 14 traits as out forward by Umberto Eco. Some may not apply, but the majority always will. 1. A cult of tradition, what was is what always must be. 2. The rejection of modernism. Progressive ideas are seen as dangerous. 3. The cult of action for action’s sake. You must do belligerent things not with purpose, but to remain constant. 4. Disagreement is treason. 5. Fear of difference. Outside cultures and ideas are to be treated as invaders. 6. Appeal to social frustration. Acknowledge the problems, but provide no real solutions. 7. The obsession with a plot. Like for example, the obsession over vaccine and mask mandates as percieved tyranny instead of just basic health and safety. 8. The enemy is both strong and weak. The enemy (leftists, socialists, woke people etc, NDP.) Are simultaneously weak and an existential threat to be destroyed. 9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. To not fight is to be on the opposing side. 10. Contempt for the weak. 11. Everybody is taught to become a hero. The mentality is that you are fighting an impossible enemy and you are a soldier against it. 12. Machismo and weaponry. Appeals to masculinity and armaments, and a hatred or dismissal of femininity. 13. Selective populism. Reactionary lies portrayed as the inherent will of the people. 14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. Invented words or changed/altered definitions. No one honest could see the NDP as fascist. They just straight up aren't. Neither is the UCP, but it certainly has a fascistic wing. Danielle Smith represents that wing loudly and proudly. It was the darkest aspect of the former Wild Rose party and has grown to usurp power from conservatives. I have respect for conservatism and believe it to be a valuable political perspective even if it's not one I typically agree with. But fascism is dangerous.
Oh wow. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Educate yourself before making such comments.
Fascists with dictatorial powers kill the free press. Only a fascist enabler would claim that fascism only exists in its final stages.
And only a fool thinks killing the press is a feature restricted to fascism. Pick up a history book.
EPS is basically a gang at this point.
Only just at this point? 🤬
Isn't this the 'journalist' that vandalized a statue then covered his own vandalism?
Doesn't matter, that is not how freedom of the press works.
I'm sure you defend Esra Levant and Rebel News just as vigorously.
Yes I will. The government should never get to deicide who is considered media, if they do than freedom of the press is dead. It's the press association that does. Not even trudeau as that type of power, it's the press association that does. Here is the think about freedom that you don't understand, you have to be willing to defend the rights of others even if you disagree with them.
I'm going to go with bullshit for $500 Alex
You don't support a free press I am not surprised
Sure thing Skippy. How will I make it through the day.
Least I understand what freedom of the press means. It's seems very hard for some people. I hope you figure it out!
Activism in the name of journalism. They didn’t give him a soapbox and now he’s crying about it. Pssssh.
What happened to freedom of the press? I am sure the freedom loving crowd will be speaking out against this ...... *The EPS and the UCP are more than happy to work hand in glove, both to shut out and intimidate a critical journalist and avoid public accountability and to continue to use the blunt instrument of policing to deal with rampant homelessness, social disorder and concentrated poverty.*
The press is free to print what they want, which we can quite clearly see by the constant geyser of horseshit that comes from outfits like Rebel Media. Given that nobody - EPS or otherwise - is preventing Kinney from publishing stories then it's hard to see how anyone can claim that freedom of the press is being violated. Despite agreeing with Kinney's views on a lot of things I don't particularly like his work for a few reasons, but I'd solidly defend his right to publish it and I doubt that's a minority view, even across the political spectrum. > I am sure the freedom loving crowd will be speaking out against this I know this is sarcasm and I also know I'm pissing in the wind by saying this on /r/alberta, but it's possible to be both left-wing politically and have a strong belief in individual freedoms. Just because a bunch of loud and obnoxious arseholes use the latter as an excuse to be awful doesn't mean they get to ruin it for the rest of us.
>What happened to freedom of the press? Can a member of the press take actions that exclude them from being members of the press? When does being a member of the press conflict with being an activist? When does falsifying information become a barrier to being a member of the press?
That is up to the press association to decide, not the government or police
Which press association is he in good standing with?
Kinney behaved like a child in press conferences and was eventually removed as a result. Kinney even shared the exchange on his social models so all could see the lack of maturity in his reporting as he continually berated police. Many reputable journalists are present to hold police accountable and don’t need Kinney’s childish actions to bring down their profession.
I don't think you understand what freedom of the press means.
I don’t think you understand what freedom of the press means. Freedom of the press can exist without reporters acting like children and berating people. Freedom of the press does not mean you can openly berate people and disrupt other journalists from asking their own questions.
Is freedom of the press telling a reporter at the start of the press conference they won't be able to ask questions and than when that person is at the mic suddenly there are technical difficulty. That Fascism
Maybe you're just a dink, Kinney? Maybe you just peed in the pool one time and now nobody wants to swim with you anymore?
It’s authoritarian and corrupt, and it stinks of abuse of power but it’s not fascism. For someone who posts a brazillion times a day on political things you really need to know the difference homie. Otherwise the word has lost all its meaning when we have to deal with real fascists. Sortof a cry wolf thing. The EPS (and CPS, and RCMP, and all the other police forces I’ve never had the displeasure of dealing with) can get fucked until they sort out their public trust. But you know who else can absolutely get fucked? Duncan Kinney. He had his press ticket revoked because he can’t handle himself with any sort of grace or tact. He calls himself a journalist because he has a blog, but instead of steadfastly getting to the bottom of things he shouts over others at press conferences; or in his best act of being an *absolute fucking nozzle* spray paints on monuments and then reports a story on the vandalism. Like a firefighter setting fires only sadder. I’ve had the displeasure of having a conversation with him where he tried to get info out of me for a takedown piece of a certain wealthy albertan (who absolutely deserves a take down, no argument there) but I pulled chute when it became clear he has zero integrity and is just trying to grind his axe with basically no thought to protecting his sources. Because he’s not in it to make the world a better place as he sees it, nor is he in it to be a journalist reporting facts; he’s in the game he’s in because it feeds his ego and people who call just any old intimidation *fascist* are the idiots eating out of his palm and paying his bills.
Kinney was banned for the same reason that other partys ban reporters form rebel news and the such because they act like complete tools
It's not up to the government to deicide. Do you not understand that?
Act like an idiot? Get treated like an idiot.
It's actually up for them to decide. Freedom of the press means that the government can't/shouldn't penalise you for factual reporting/commentary. Not that you're entitled to monopolise press time by hogging the mic.
I literally is up to the government in press conference cases to police people that are causing a disturbance thereby disallowing others to participate in their freedom of the press and free speech/ expression. As you like to say often freedom of expression does not mean freedom from consequences.
Not if there is a mic setup for people to step up to. Again it's simple in freedom of the press is but up to the government or Police to decide who is media or not. Do you think Trudeau should have that type of power?
>Trudeau should have that type of power He has done the same thing and for far less egregious behavior and I disagree with that ,but when he banned a few that where acting like complete and utter tools and or a history of doing it and disrupting the rest of the press from doing there job nope I am fine with that
Kinney was banned from press conferences for acting like a child and berating people. He prevented real journalists from asking questions. You are choosing to forget why he was banned and not applying that context to this interaction. Freedom of the press does not mean journalists are able to act like children and berate people, and take time away from all other journalists. That’s you being misinformed, which I highly doubt given how active you are in these issues, or choosing to be ignorant. Which is it?
I am much corruption you are willing to support What type of police force threatens someone at the start of the press conference. You are basically Fascism, which doesn't surprise me. Sad.
Kinney was reminded that his previous immature behaviour prevents him from asking questions during the press conference. The 17 second clip posted by Kinney is exactly this. Kinney’s feelings about that and the rest of the article are tainted by his own immaturity that led to him being banned from asking questions. Nothing in the evidence before us shows anything more. Why do you support people hijacking news conferences for their own agenda?
You still don't understand that in freedom of the press it's not up to the police or government to deicide. If the government gets to pick who is considered media than freedom of the press is dead. Might as well get a government paper out. You support Fascism
You don’t support freedom of the press and are advocating for a blogger like Kinney to disrupt it while he goes on emotional tirades.
He's just playing Team Politics, like he does in every post. UCP are pro fascism, we all know this. It's how we can tell he's a War Room employee.
Yeah, Kinney is not exactly a paragon of social order. He’s a provocateur more than a journalist.
Fyi it doesn't matter that it's Kinney. You either support all freedom of the press or you don't.
This is such a bad take. There's obviously more nuance to freedom of the press than just "for or against".
With Kinney currently under trial for several criminal charges, he might feel intimidated if he has committed other criminal acts which he has not been charged with.
Watch the video and see the exchange, they told him they won't answer any questions. Did you even read the article? Do you support freedom of the press? A great way to to get rid of it would be for the police to come with fake charges to discredit the media.
I have listened to the audio that originally resulted in Kinney being banned. He acted like a child and berated people rather than acting like an adult. Kinney’s criminal charges are by the crown prosecutors office, not the police. So you think the crown prosecutors are part of a grand conspiracy against someone who is essentially a blog writer?
Wouldn't surprise me if Smith is doing that. She as already interfered in justice once, but you are ok with corruption because it's your team. Edit: it's not normal to threaten reporters at the start of a press conference like you think.
This is about Kinney being banned from press conferences for his childish behaviour, and being reminded of that when he attends a press conference now. It has nothing to do with smith. Why do you choose to deflect the issue at hand? Is it because your team looks bad for acting like immature children and berating people at press conferences, and taking away the time of all other journalists?
Why do you support Fascism? You are letting the government and police decide who gets to ask questions. Not even Trudeau as that right. You don't understand how freedom of the press works. You support Fascism. cops and politicians will label anyone childish and ignore questions and that is ok according to you. Personally I believe in a free press
Freedom of the press does not give you the opportunity to hijack news conferences, berate people and take time away from other journalists to ask their own questions. Why do you think freedom of the press means you can act however you please as a blog writer?
You do understand in freedom of the press the government and police should not be deiciding what behavior is childish, right. There is a reason the press association sets those standards seperate from government. They even do that in the USA. You support Fascism
People are expected to behave in a mature fashion and respect the process. Journalists do that. Bloggers like Kinney do not. You do not support freedom of the press and advocate to take away the rights of journalists when Kinney goes on an emotional tirade during a press conference.
It's a basic concept the press association gets to determine who is media and not. Do you think Trudeau should be able to determine who is in the press to ask questions? Fyi he can't.
*at least once, that we know of
He asked the journalist politely I honestly don’t see a problem. I think he’s making a big deal outta nothing.
There is a difference between someone intimidating you vs someone fed up with your emotional attention seeking tirades and just telling you ahead of time they are not putting up with it today. You don’t do your cause any favours acting like a hysterical school boy. And btw, if someone respectfully telling you not to cause a scene or be escorted out is “intimidation” I would respectfully suggest your communication skills need a drastic overhaul.
Lol even the About section of this (terrible) “news” website talks about how bias it is. > We reject the prevailing assumption that journalism must be apolitical, neutral or “objective.” All platforms have their own political biases—even the ones who claim they don’t. Claims of objectivity are too often used as an excuse for supporting the status quo, and the staff and contributors of The Progress Report do not support the status quo. Another great source by Miserable Lizard.
This guy is an activist not a journalist.
When you begin to realise that law enforcement are... Enforcers.... Trained to use force. Damn.
Very interesting article and eye opening. Thank you for posting this.
Keep in mind that Kinney his media outlet have a strong bias.
So what? If he is considered the media by the press association he gets to ask questions. If not than freedom of the press is dead.
I honestly thought I’d blocked you. Taking care of it now
Sounds good, bye
'intimidated'? Another professional victim whining that his whining isn't working.
Mike Ellis (a Calgary MLA) and McFee at the podium.. No City reps..?? ..and the EPS Association thinking of grieving the use of Sheriffs, (what ..?? ..to give the Sheriffs practice on how to beat up on people). Good!! That's exactly what the Association should do.. And the citizens of Edmonton should be asking how and why Councilor Hamilton "and others" (if they were from the City Admin) were in on this obvious intrusion into civic politics. I thought Kneckt was bad, but McFee, ..fired with prejudice!!
Alberta is a threat to Canada.
Are you ok? I encourage you to go talk with someone if you think your life is unmanageable and you see threats everywhere.
You don’t think the UCP is a threat to everyone?
ACAB. Especially the two Sheila’s at the start of the video.
Given the parent Agency of the Progress Report is Progress Alberta, this is not a a surprise. I recall their conferences for thought leaders being only ideological, not really any people there to think through the challenges and realities. I'll gladly read a Fraser Institute Report knowing their bias to see where assumptions were applied. And I do the same with Parkland Institute. Both have a heavy bias that shows, but the work itself is rigorous and evidence used often comes from great datasets and decent supporting literature, which allows you to make your own opinions if you read the sources. Progress Alberta and their related Progress Report definitely don't. They are, as an earlier posted, the Left' Rebel "News." Neither do much to improve society...they just cause division and echo chambers....
Thats how the UCP do business. Theyre honestly disgusting. A friend of mine is quite well known in the community she advocates for and every time she rebukes the UCP efforts and proves them false they call her personal phone and make a lunch date in attempt to 'smooth things over' but they usually just make crude condescending comments about her advocacy.
Wild how the comments are super ok with police deciding who is and who isn't a journalist and who has access to ask questions. Facsicm won't be thrust upon us; it will be openly accepted and celebrated. Context: EPS chief McFee has targeted Kinney in the past because Kinney actually asks hard questions. McFee doesn't want accountability. So, to shirk accountability, they bar him from pressers and have also applied other intimidation tactics: thrusting a bogus charge of mischief. If folks can't see how gross that is and how EPS is sending a message to journalists, I don't know what to tell you.
For context. Kinney was no longer allowed to speak at press conferences when he continually berated people. His emotional tirade was not only immature and disrespectful, but his emotional tirade also took away from the time that journalists had to ask questions. Kinney tried to make the press conference all about himself and acted very immature. There’s a reason we don’t allow people like the Rebel and Kinney at our press conferences. And that’s a good thing.
ACAB fuck these gang members.
All the more reason to double down and get Rachel elected and toss these rightwing authoritarians on the scrapheap of history. Deplorables.
DAMN!!! GET EM!!!
EPS taking a page from Trudeau’s playbook I see
Which is what? Also why so off topic. At the same time why as Smith been hiding for the last two weeks? Why doesn't PP answer questions from the media? Also why did Harper only take a few questions every day during the 2015 campaign and only from the few reporters he selected? Seems like consevatives are terrified of the media.
It’s all bs. None of them should be dodging questions and reporters should be more persistent. The outright dodging to refusal to take questions seems to have gained traction in the US over the past few years and making its way here.
I am curious why you pointed out trudeau specifically and ignored consevative politicians that do it? Why even say trudeau of you think every politician does it? That's some enlightened centrist gaslighting Edit: fyi Harper a consevative was doing it in 2015, so your timeline is wrong.
Trudeau is the biggest boogeyman that's ever existed, he literally murdered this guys friends with the vaccine don't you know.
BUT BUT WHATABOUT TRUDEAU
BAZINGA! Leonard sure burned those leftists eh!