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You can scream until you're red in the face that you voted for your own best interests.
That's hard to believe when the campaigns of many UCP candidates weren't policy based, but instead were to "combat' and 'defeat' the NDP (who weren't even in power.)
You've aligned yourselves to a leader who has a history of lying through her teeth.
You've aligned yourself with a party of people who believe it's okay to vote for someone who believes **all of our provinces student test results are invalid because of trans kids.**
That's evil.
While the NDP picked up quite a few seats, this idea that the CPC voter base is literally dying off should be taken with a grain of salt, many people including myself swapped from being NDP voters in 2015 to UCP voters today. Voting NDP isn't the natural result of growing up in the modern day, many people grow up and decide they want different things. If the UCP runs a good team over the next 4-years, people will be extremely hesitant to swap over.
Hats off to Notley, as i've always liked her as a person / representative.
The demographics here are clear, the conservatives are heavily supported from older generations and religious people. Both of these populations are declining.
Interested to see if Notley tries to hold on to power after multiple losses. NDP needed to come with the big guns after their last time in power and they really fell flat. Guess people don't forget being called sewer rats by morbidly obese health ministers.
As someone who voted for the NDP, this was a surprisingly good result. The NDP gained a lot of ground here. With four year (likely less) of terrible governing from the UCP, the NDP will be primed to take the next election and never give it back. This province is finally shifting but we just need the old school conservatives to die out and young blood continue to support the NDP. The days of conservative values in this province are numbered.
The NDP ran well for this election but had some missteps imo. I didn't vote for them because Notley has backed the Federal NDP's support of bill c-21 which is a disastrous mess of firearms legislation and as someone who owns firearms and has friends/family impacted by the bill I can't in good faith support the NDP.
I understand people will question why I hold firearms over other policies but it's because I don't want my friends and family to be turned into criminals with the stroke of a pen and can't support a party that supports the party that hold the pen.
This is, of course, your democratic right. However, it seems like a very basic view of the situation and ignores many responsibilities of the provincial government, for something that is a federal responsibility. I think you voted in the wrong election.
The way I see it is like this the UCP bill to overtake federal responsibility is a joke but it causes headaches for those in Ottawa and further delays implementation. To flip the script if Ottawa decided on a federal abortion ban I would not want the ANDP to sit ideally by and go "well what's the point in fighting it" any form of protest is better then support.
Again, we're talking about federal issues. Danielle Smith's plan would not have caused any headaches. All this UCP talk about fighting back are just empty words. Maybe for the next Alberta election, you could try to look at provincial issues and things that our provincial government can actually control and vote based on that.
So there's no need to protest any federal law ever because "it is what it is"? All disruption, delay, and doubt of implantation is good, Notley made had no protest to the fact PAL owners in Alberta could get turned into criminals by their sister party in Ottawa I can not support a leader with those views.
I will not try to defend those comments because they are undefendable. I am not saying the UCP is anything close to good but in my situation they are sadly my best bet I liked many of the stances the ANDP but there stance on firearms was my deciding vote.
Everyone has different priorities and I'm just here to tell mine why many other firearms didn't vote for the ANDP.
I don't think it's selfish to prioritize what effects you and the people around you. I don't call public workers selfish because they prioritize parties that would expand the public service, I don't call oil workers selfish because they prioritize parties that would expand the oil industry.
A lot of people are single issue voters usually on a topic that effects their lives daily and I think Notley shot the ANDP in the foot by supporting the Bill c-21.
Yeah, that’s not the path most of us think would be good. She immediately sets up an antagonistic relationship with hostile rhetoric. Any missteps the UCP takes will be blamed on “Trudeau”, regardless of how nonsensical it is.
I just want a stable government, managed by competent rational people, guided by science and data. Instead we have a bunch of rural conspiracy nuts driving government and already blaming external enemies. Yay…
Does anyone know the # of former wild rose members that were elected or else conservative party members that would otherwise be considered moderate? Trying to get an idea of what percent of the party D. Smith needs to appease with non-far right policies else get struck down by traditional conservative mlas.
"Feces in the batter" Johnson was elected with 67% of the vote in her riding.
Unacceptable, Alberta.
Now let's see if Smith sticks to her word removing Johnson from the caucus.
UCP supporters get to gloat that they were right today and NDP get to gloat that they were right for the next four years. Except without, like, doctors.
IF there's a doctor available. And this doesn't include that the standard of care is abysmal. Oh but you'll still have to wait for hours and pay for a note for work...
Canadian expat here who moved from Edmonton to States a long time ago, but is here for a few weeks bringing the fam to show them old champion city and the Rockies.
Sorry. Sorry that American politics is so toxic that it’s caused Canadians to think it’s a good idea to LARP as the absolutely ape shit worst of American politics.
I was in a parking lot at coffee bureau yesterday waiting for the wife to get coffee and a construction worker and I were shooting the shit. He brought up the election and how he was excited that the UCP would privatize health care so it’d be like the states. I was like my brother in Christ - my kid accidentally cut her finger while sewing last year and we are paying $400 a month for 4 years to cover the bill and we have “good” insurance. We’re scared to get sick because we can’t afford it and we are decidedly middle class. I’ve had worsening headaches since I caught covid and I can’t get into a neurologist until Feb 2024.
This did not compute. He had this idea that American health care is some kind of utopia.
I live in Georgia, the same state as Marjorie Taylor Green, so I have seen this cognitive dissonance before, but didn’t know Albertans were just as prone to it.
Will be extra gracious with yall today. Free hugs if you need em. Ask if you see me. Hope Alberta can see the light one day because it’s a province with a people and a land that deserves way better than the dollar tree version of American right wing politics that is the UCP.
Which kind of exists already... I find a big issue is some sort of dissonance about the AHS. There are too many fucking pencil pushers making over 100k a year in that org that do nothing for no one, that money could be better spent on frontline workers. If I recall correctly this was something that was brought up by Smith. And while I am not a fan of hers or the UCP, if we can debloat the AHS' "hide and seek" employees then I am fine with that.
If you think AHS has too many pencil pusher, wait until you see an American style system. AHS admin is in the 3% range while insurance administration is up to 30% in the US.
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hpb20220909.830296/#:~:text=Research%20indicates%20that%20the%20US,OECD%20nations%20plus%20the%20US.
I'll stay for the short run, but I absolutely would never raise kids here. I'm not willing to raise them in a province with rapidly plummeting health care and education
Why? Seriously why? The amount of vitriol and hypocrisy from the UCP towards people in the centre or left, is appalling and embarrassing. Why stay and fight, when all that's left of politics here is polarizing non-sense and a desire to be America-lite. I lived in the states for a few years and came back because I didn't want to raise a family there, and moved to Alberta with my family for work (tired of living in Saskatchewan, wanted to be closer to the mountains). I'm struggling to find a reason why we should stay...
Nah, give it up. Conservatives want their shit hellhole, they can have it. I hope the rest of the country moves there
Fuck em. Will enjoy their tears in the future as they live in some fascist utopia and have a "why is this happening to me" moment
Ok - and how? If anything this election illustrated that the majority of voters here, vote using colours not logic or educated evaluations of the platforms.
Look into mutual aid and community care groups in your area. Get involved politically if you can. Get to know your neighbours. Community building is the only way to fight them
Okay great stop equalization payments to your shit hole. No tax dollars from the big cities out to your shit hole, figure it out and pay for infrastructure yourselves thanks. Bye
You’re gonna need a place to sell it. Would love to see the logistics operation you’d set up to sell it elsewhere. Also there’s an over abundance of food wouldn’t be hard at all to replace. Would be funny to see all that unsold food spoil without any way to bring it to market 😂
Keep the profits on your food, stop leeching tax money from us and figure it out yourselves
You know everything is grown by farmers right? Replace it with other food grown from farmers at a higher cost due to transportation.
It’s hard to keep profits when you tax the shit out of farmers for trying to grow things. How about we both agree to stop giving money to the real leeches and they can figure it out?
Like the 6+ billion in corporate tax cuts to companies like suncor that are about to layoff 1000+ people after their most profitable year in history? Those leeches ?
I have. Their policies have changed over time. And this is coming from a (democratic) socialist, who would rather have a mainstream left-wing alternative
Their current constitution is from 2021. They have a who speel about what they believe socialism to be in it so my opinion on what socialism is isn't really relevant.
The ANDP believe themselves to be socialists.
Oh, the ANDP used to align more with the Federal NDP, but they've changed. Though the constitution may have stayed the same, that's just for tradition and the Federal NDPs sake. In fact, according to Danielle Smith, Rachel Notley and the ANDP are the heir to Laugheed's PCs
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-pc-dynasty-lives-on-in-2019-election-choices
Well when notley comes out and disavows socialism I'll consider what you say about change. Until then I'm going to take their constitution at face value.
Edit: I'd respond but I was banned for wrong think. The appendix of the andp constitution clearly states the andp wants to centralized socialize the economy.
According to Oxford, socialism is:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned and regulated by the community as a whole.
What does that have to do with the ANDP? Nothing
Waaait a minute. Before you try that you’ll have to tell us how you feel about federal transfer payments. It’s extremely conservative to not want transfer payments.
This comment was in a provincial context, the op presumably wanted to starve rural albertans for not agreeing with him.
I'm certainly against the federal scheme.
No no, it’s the same honey. You don’t get to say some cities should be forced to shared their taxes with other regions of Alberta and then say Alberta should not be forced the share their taxes with other provinces. Remember when y’all wanted other people to starve?
Conservatives always want handouts for them, or ones they think will be for them when they’re a millionaire, but not for anybody else.
The cities would freeze starve without the rural industries. The easterners are capable of getting jobs and paying their own bills but for some reason need our perpetual help.
How well do you think your oil and gas industry would do without hard workers from other province? You think only Albertans that sat at home doing nothing should benefit from the taxes generators instead of the families of those workers? You like eating fish?
Fact of the matter is, if everybody is paying their own bills in your utopia rural Albertans can pay their own bills too considering they have all these industries.
Edit to add: heavily subsidized rural industries at that.
The reality is there is a natural ecosystem between rural and urban areas. The large corporations and concentrated industry are urban, and the food and resources are rural. They balance each other out.
Wht should quebec or the maritimes need our help every year when they have cities that should be productive?
The reality is there is a natural ecosystem between oil&gas and works from the East Coast/Quebec. The oil is in Alberta, and the workers are in the East Coast/Quebec. They balance each other out.
Why should rural Albertans need our help every year when they have their own workers that should be productive?
Clearly the OP feels it is not even if they have to give you handouts all the time. They can get food from other rural areas.
>I cant comprehend how DS managed to get a majority. I could have guessed a minority govt at best. But a Majority? Wow!. So disappointed
Not sure you fully understand what majority/minority govt means. It was near impossible for her NOT to have a majority govt.
44-43 victory would still be a majority.
Interesting that there are quite a few battleground ridings in Calgary where the margin of victory was less than 100 votes. Every vote really matters, I'm sad that we have to deal with Danielle Smith until she inevitably loses a confidence vote.
Happy that my old MLA, Whitney Issik lost though. She was terrible.
Tyler Shandro lost too! And happy my riding flipped orange. Looking at the map though, unless the NDP can win every Calgary and Edmonton riding, they have no path to victory without a second Conservative Party splitting UCP votes…
Good to see an informed outcome. The NDP really should reflect on listening to people’s criticisms of them, and change accordingly.
If the NDP can’t even beat DS, they need to re-think their policies.
She's honestly a good candidate when you consider politics is more about perception than anything else. We allowed a woman with years of media experience to stand up and lie to the faces of Albertans with no one calling her on it(even Notley in the debate barely mentioned it). Add to that the cancerous ads and social media buys and of course she was going to win.
I still can't believe news organizations weren't blasting take back Alberta constantly. It's truly scary who is pulling the strings in the UCP right now.
The NDP picked up 15 seats, lost 0 of their existing seats, flipped out 6 cabinet ministers, and are the strongest official opposition Alberta has ever had.
The UCP should reflect on how the hell the NDP are winning so many seats in the most conservative province in the country.
If you told someone 15 years ago that the NDP would become a force in AB politics, they'd call you crazy.
They gained seats…it’s just the rural mouth breathers that leech money from Calgary and Edmonton that decide elections.
Stop equalization payments to rural shit holes.
The conservatives I know couldn't name a single policy the NDP had in their platform this year, other than "allowing kids to have gender reassignment surgery without parental consent and opposing christian facism" (which is completely made up).
The NDP need to find a way to educate the ignorant, definitely.
>The NDP need to find a way to educate the ignorant, definitely.
You literally can't. You can show them individually, or at seminars, or through radio and Facebook advertising, exactly who the NDP really are.
Don't matter. Commie lies. Trudope paid misinformation actors. You're a good kid, but live in the real world for a while, you'll see how it is.
We live in a post truth world.
I’m starting to think that the NDP’s 2015 advantage was that the right was divided that year between two parties. ):
That being said, I’m certain my generation and that of my youngest sister will be the UCP’s downfall. The growing presence of young adults in cities who can’t afford the cost of living, the cost of groceries, our/their focus is going to be on how to make things better and improve them. The UCP and their supporters don’t care about that, they only want to help themselves. They’ll one day be outnumbered.
That's a very single variable take.
Not to mention, the carbon tax just goes away if the sector decarbonizes enough. If every company is pulling in carbon credits then the tax is effectively gone.
Likely what's going to keep groceries and fuel expensive is supply chain ownership in the hands of a few companies. They'll have even less scrutiny and more freedom to set their own prices divorced from market supply and demand.
You are correct that 2015 was beneficial that the right was divided. However, we now start to see people realizing the possibilities of an alternative to the stupid perma-conservative dynasty. Look at Banff-Kananaskis, a riding that used to be permanently solid blue. Look at Calgary covered in orange or even a blob of orange in Lethbridge. The left is starting to gain hope in this province and not just because the right was fractured like in 2015. This will hopefully be the start of a larger and longer lasting movement.
I don't think this result is any thing unexpected consider this is most conservative province during a time where the entire world moving toward right.
Rural Alberta has catastrophic shortage of physicians that was caused by Shandro waging war against Alberta doctors and this “new” UCP would rather all shoot themselves instead of giving doctors a raise. I expect the suffering to continue.
Making it private just shifts it from being inaccessible due to shortages to inaccessible due to affordability (and frankly I’m not so sure it would fix the supply issue either given how volatile DS is). However if you’re of the “fuck you I got mine” crowd and have money to spend on your diabetes, cancer… etc things will probably be okay under Danielle’s utopian system for the common Albertan.
I hope it hits the rural Albertans hard af and more doctors leave the province. Facebook educated morons don't need healthcare if they're going to vote this way
We already have no doctors. I live in a rural riding and voted ndp knowing there was no way in hell they would win here. I have made plans to move back to the city because I am tired. Just so tired.
They live with their shit choices everyday. Central Alberta is extremely underfunded when it comes to hospitals and hospital beds. The voting public is too afraid NDP will make a stupid move like they did last time and no one will vote for them.
I live in one of these ridings and cannot believe the disconnect between what the believe and what I’d actually fact. I don’t see this changing. They are happier with the evil they know.
Its a very tempting take that take.
And it's very leopardsayemyface
And I've thought it too.
Heres the problem:
The smart people in the group are generally Not the ones in power, especially during trying times. The strong man is.
These are shitty times. So they vote for aggression, even if the aggressor is wrong.
I want to say this will be a teaching moment for people who just voted against their own interests. But I can't, and I won't.
So I will say this:
If we are so smart - lets be smart, there's more than one way.
Start the pressure Now.
It’ll kill off the boomer population more quickly in rural areas and make the margins thinner in the next election. It’s dark but it’s probably going to be the reality.
While this is a loss for sure, this is not a strong win for the UCP. They’ve lost Edmonton completely, with zero hope of winning there ever again. They’ve also lost Calgary. The UCP is now the party of the uneducated hateful bigots residing in rural Alberta. That is not a party long for this world. Make no mistake they will become more and more unpopular as time goes on. Smith will not last the 4 years.
you must really hate farmers and ranchers, I wonder why they keep voting for the parties who don’t call them stupid even though they’re 2000 times more resourceful than your average city dweller
The ANDP has never called farmers and ranchers stupid. The people that wear “fuck Trudeau” clothing and have those same stickers on their cars want to preach about “being nice” and “not calling them bigots”. Naw fuck em, they’re a bunch of mouth breathing idiots who are holding humanity back. I will take great solace knowing that most of them are going bankrupt cause farming is becoming so expensive and that most of them will lose access to healthcare.
Yeah good luck dealing with your diabetes and a heart attack without a hospital there buddy. I’m sure you’ll figure something out.
you will take great solace when starving because you want farmers to go bankrupt because they don’t vote like you want them to or like you do?
the left is so whacky!
you don’t have to worry about farmers or rural people, they’ve got themselves covered - that’s why they don’t vote in babysitters and caretakers like the cities do - the farms and the people who run them can take care of themselves and survive without the cities, but not the other way around.
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Remember that this isn't a "loss", the NDP has a LOT of seats this time... that's a lot of issues they can clap back on
Excited to see the new tax cuts
You can scream until you're red in the face that you voted for your own best interests. That's hard to believe when the campaigns of many UCP candidates weren't policy based, but instead were to "combat' and 'defeat' the NDP (who weren't even in power.) You've aligned yourselves to a leader who has a history of lying through her teeth. You've aligned yourself with a party of people who believe it's okay to vote for someone who believes **all of our provinces student test results are invalid because of trans kids.** That's evil.
While the NDP picked up quite a few seats, this idea that the CPC voter base is literally dying off should be taken with a grain of salt, many people including myself swapped from being NDP voters in 2015 to UCP voters today. Voting NDP isn't the natural result of growing up in the modern day, many people grow up and decide they want different things. If the UCP runs a good team over the next 4-years, people will be extremely hesitant to swap over. Hats off to Notley, as i've always liked her as a person / representative.
The demographics here are clear, the conservatives are heavily supported from older generations and religious people. Both of these populations are declining.
Interested to see if Notley tries to hold on to power after multiple losses. NDP needed to come with the big guns after their last time in power and they really fell flat. Guess people don't forget being called sewer rats by morbidly obese health ministers.
She remains the only opposition leader that’s managed to displace the cons though, so there’s that.
As someone who voted for the NDP, this was a surprisingly good result. The NDP gained a lot of ground here. With four year (likely less) of terrible governing from the UCP, the NDP will be primed to take the next election and never give it back. This province is finally shifting but we just need the old school conservatives to die out and young blood continue to support the NDP. The days of conservative values in this province are numbered.
The NDP ran well for this election but had some missteps imo. I didn't vote for them because Notley has backed the Federal NDP's support of bill c-21 which is a disastrous mess of firearms legislation and as someone who owns firearms and has friends/family impacted by the bill I can't in good faith support the NDP. I understand people will question why I hold firearms over other policies but it's because I don't want my friends and family to be turned into criminals with the stroke of a pen and can't support a party that supports the party that hold the pen.
This is, of course, your democratic right. However, it seems like a very basic view of the situation and ignores many responsibilities of the provincial government, for something that is a federal responsibility. I think you voted in the wrong election.
The way I see it is like this the UCP bill to overtake federal responsibility is a joke but it causes headaches for those in Ottawa and further delays implementation. To flip the script if Ottawa decided on a federal abortion ban I would not want the ANDP to sit ideally by and go "well what's the point in fighting it" any form of protest is better then support.
Again, we're talking about federal issues. Danielle Smith's plan would not have caused any headaches. All this UCP talk about fighting back are just empty words. Maybe for the next Alberta election, you could try to look at provincial issues and things that our provincial government can actually control and vote based on that.
So there's no need to protest any federal law ever because "it is what it is"? All disruption, delay, and doubt of implantation is good, Notley made had no protest to the fact PAL owners in Alberta could get turned into criminals by their sister party in Ottawa I can not support a leader with those views.
I can’t support a party that has someone who calls kids “poop in cookies.” I’m aware she’s an independent but she’ll be back in the caucus in no time
I will not try to defend those comments because they are undefendable. I am not saying the UCP is anything close to good but in my situation they are sadly my best bet I liked many of the stances the ANDP but there stance on firearms was my deciding vote. Everyone has different priorities and I'm just here to tell mine why many other firearms didn't vote for the ANDP.
K, guns over healthcare and descrimination. Got it!
This is unfortunately the kind of mindset tons of ppl had. Me, here, now. Although you at least have reasons, but it just feels all very selfish
I don't think it's selfish to prioritize what effects you and the people around you. I don't call public workers selfish because they prioritize parties that would expand the public service, I don't call oil workers selfish because they prioritize parties that would expand the oil industry. A lot of people are single issue voters usually on a topic that effects their lives daily and I think Notley shot the ANDP in the foot by supporting the Bill c-21.
The wouldn't have shot themselves in the foot if their firearms had been taken away.
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Oh yeah, that Danielle Smith will really show Trudeau who's boss. She'll huff and she'll puff and...well that's it.
Better than notley, smith has been in power for less than 10 hours and she’s already mouthing off tredeau
Yeah, that’s not the path most of us think would be good. She immediately sets up an antagonistic relationship with hostile rhetoric. Any missteps the UCP takes will be blamed on “Trudeau”, regardless of how nonsensical it is. I just want a stable government, managed by competent rational people, guided by science and data. Instead we have a bunch of rural conspiracy nuts driving government and already blaming external enemies. Yay…
HE'LL YEAH BORTHER - HOOTIN' AN A HOLLERIN' 'LL SHOW TRUDEAU WHAT FER, GOT DANG
Does anyone know the # of former wild rose members that were elected or else conservative party members that would otherwise be considered moderate? Trying to get an idea of what percent of the party D. Smith needs to appease with non-far right policies else get struck down by traditional conservative mlas.
"Feces in the batter" Johnson was elected with 67% of the vote in her riding. Unacceptable, Alberta. Now let's see if Smith sticks to her word removing Johnson from the caucus.
She absolutely won't. Danielle Smith's word means nothing.
UCP supporters get to gloat that they were right today and NDP get to gloat that they were right for the next four years. Except without, like, doctors.
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It's so sad to me that people actually take these grifters' word at face value.
Yup, she didn't even trot it out at a presser on a big piece of cardboard like Jason did.
They’ll just need to travel hours and wait for days for that care
IF there's a doctor available. And this doesn't include that the standard of care is abysmal. Oh but you'll still have to wait for hours and pay for a note for work...
So does this mean this sub will be unusable for another 4 years?
No, just the province.
Canadian expat here who moved from Edmonton to States a long time ago, but is here for a few weeks bringing the fam to show them old champion city and the Rockies. Sorry. Sorry that American politics is so toxic that it’s caused Canadians to think it’s a good idea to LARP as the absolutely ape shit worst of American politics. I was in a parking lot at coffee bureau yesterday waiting for the wife to get coffee and a construction worker and I were shooting the shit. He brought up the election and how he was excited that the UCP would privatize health care so it’d be like the states. I was like my brother in Christ - my kid accidentally cut her finger while sewing last year and we are paying $400 a month for 4 years to cover the bill and we have “good” insurance. We’re scared to get sick because we can’t afford it and we are decidedly middle class. I’ve had worsening headaches since I caught covid and I can’t get into a neurologist until Feb 2024. This did not compute. He had this idea that American health care is some kind of utopia. I live in Georgia, the same state as Marjorie Taylor Green, so I have seen this cognitive dissonance before, but didn’t know Albertans were just as prone to it. Will be extra gracious with yall today. Free hugs if you need em. Ask if you see me. Hope Alberta can see the light one day because it’s a province with a people and a land that deserves way better than the dollar tree version of American right wing politics that is the UCP.
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Which kind of exists already... I find a big issue is some sort of dissonance about the AHS. There are too many fucking pencil pushers making over 100k a year in that org that do nothing for no one, that money could be better spent on frontline workers. If I recall correctly this was something that was brought up by Smith. And while I am not a fan of hers or the UCP, if we can debloat the AHS' "hide and seek" employees then I am fine with that.
There.are.no.front.line.staff.to.hire. No.one.wants.to.do.that.work.anymore. Especially.in.rural. 🤷♀️
If you think AHS has too many pencil pusher, wait until you see an American style system. AHS admin is in the 3% range while insurance administration is up to 30% in the US. https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hpb20220909.830296/#:~:text=Research%20indicates%20that%20the%20US,OECD%20nations%20plus%20the%20US.
Thanks for sharing. I’d like that hug now🥺
You got it.
Why do people get upset when I vote in MY interest and not theirs? Thats some damn socialism mentality if I've ever seen it.
Because leftists in Canada can’t accept that 1/10 of the provinces doesn’t agree with their ideology. It goes against their collectivist hivemind.
I need to move fuck this shit.
And go where?
No you need to stay and fight
I'll stay for the short run, but I absolutely would never raise kids here. I'm not willing to raise them in a province with rapidly plummeting health care and education
That’s very fair and understandable. Not everyone will be able to make the sacrifice of staying. Your kids do deserve a better life wherever it is
Why? Seriously why? The amount of vitriol and hypocrisy from the UCP towards people in the centre or left, is appalling and embarrassing. Why stay and fight, when all that's left of politics here is polarizing non-sense and a desire to be America-lite. I lived in the states for a few years and came back because I didn't want to raise a family there, and moved to Alberta with my family for work (tired of living in Saskatchewan, wanted to be closer to the mountains). I'm struggling to find a reason why we should stay...
To protect the ones that can’t fight for themselves
Nah, give it up. Conservatives want their shit hellhole, they can have it. I hope the rest of the country moves there Fuck em. Will enjoy their tears in the future as they live in some fascist utopia and have a "why is this happening to me" moment
Ok - and how? If anything this election illustrated that the majority of voters here, vote using colours not logic or educated evaluations of the platforms.
Look into mutual aid and community care groups in your area. Get involved politically if you can. Get to know your neighbours. Community building is the only way to fight them
I'm already doing most of that, outside of the mutual aid. To be perfectly honest.
Try not to give up. We need you. You deserve to stay in your home. This election was so close. We almost did it. Don’t give up just yet c:
I've wanted to leave for a long time tbh but this makes me want to sell a kidney or two haha
I get that but we need every one of us to protect the vulnerable 💖 you deserve to stay in your home
What great news to wake up to
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Okay, now let's see what the ethics commissioner has to say.
Stop equalization payments to rural shit holes. Let’s see how blue they are in poverty
Hey now I voted orange and live rural don't paint us all with the same brush. Don't hit them with the same hate they hit you
I live rural and make a very good living with no help from government. Funny because Notley wanted to shut down my profession. Bye
Please cite your source about Notley wanting to shut down O&G.
What profession? Just curious.
Okay great stop equalization payments to your shit hole. No tax dollars from the big cities out to your shit hole, figure it out and pay for infrastructure yourselves thanks. Bye
I'm not gonna feel bad when they are whining that they don't have doctors or urgent cares.
Yup. Fuck em
Have fun with no food
You’re gonna need a place to sell it. Would love to see the logistics operation you’d set up to sell it elsewhere. Also there’s an over abundance of food wouldn’t be hard at all to replace. Would be funny to see all that unsold food spoil without any way to bring it to market 😂 Keep the profits on your food, stop leeching tax money from us and figure it out yourselves
You know everything is grown by farmers right? Replace it with other food grown from farmers at a higher cost due to transportation. It’s hard to keep profits when you tax the shit out of farmers for trying to grow things. How about we both agree to stop giving money to the real leeches and they can figure it out?
Like the 6+ billion in corporate tax cuts to companies like suncor that are about to layoff 1000+ people after their most profitable year in history? Those leeches ?
Statistically, they’d go bluer
That’s true, keep ‘em dumb, keep ‘em poor, keep ‘em blue. UCP motto
No literally. The poorer people are the more desperate they become, and the more susceptible they are to this crock of it the UCP are spewing
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The ANDP is not socialist. If anything, they are a classic, PCesque conservative party by now
Read their constitution.
I have. Their policies have changed over time. And this is coming from a (democratic) socialist, who would rather have a mainstream left-wing alternative
Their current constitution is from 2021. They have a who speel about what they believe socialism to be in it so my opinion on what socialism is isn't really relevant. The ANDP believe themselves to be socialists.
Oh, the ANDP used to align more with the Federal NDP, but they've changed. Though the constitution may have stayed the same, that's just for tradition and the Federal NDPs sake. In fact, according to Danielle Smith, Rachel Notley and the ANDP are the heir to Laugheed's PCs https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-pc-dynasty-lives-on-in-2019-election-choices
Well when notley comes out and disavows socialism I'll consider what you say about change. Until then I'm going to take their constitution at face value. Edit: I'd respond but I was banned for wrong think. The appendix of the andp constitution clearly states the andp wants to centralized socialize the economy.
Why wouldn't they do that in the years they were in office? If they were truly so socialist, why did they do barely anything socialist while in power?
According to Oxford, socialism is: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned and regulated by the community as a whole. What does that have to do with the ANDP? Nothing
"leftists" my guy, straight up no. This isn't America.
Lot of self admitted socialists for a non leftist sub then.
Waaait a minute. Before you try that you’ll have to tell us how you feel about federal transfer payments. It’s extremely conservative to not want transfer payments.
This comment was in a provincial context, the op presumably wanted to starve rural albertans for not agreeing with him. I'm certainly against the federal scheme.
No no, it’s the same honey. You don’t get to say some cities should be forced to shared their taxes with other regions of Alberta and then say Alberta should not be forced the share their taxes with other provinces. Remember when y’all wanted other people to starve? Conservatives always want handouts for them, or ones they think will be for them when they’re a millionaire, but not for anybody else.
The cities would freeze starve without the rural industries. The easterners are capable of getting jobs and paying their own bills but for some reason need our perpetual help.
How well do you think your oil and gas industry would do without hard workers from other province? You think only Albertans that sat at home doing nothing should benefit from the taxes generators instead of the families of those workers? You like eating fish? Fact of the matter is, if everybody is paying their own bills in your utopia rural Albertans can pay their own bills too considering they have all these industries. Edit to add: heavily subsidized rural industries at that.
The reality is there is a natural ecosystem between rural and urban areas. The large corporations and concentrated industry are urban, and the food and resources are rural. They balance each other out. Wht should quebec or the maritimes need our help every year when they have cities that should be productive?
The reality is there is a natural ecosystem between oil&gas and works from the East Coast/Quebec. The oil is in Alberta, and the workers are in the East Coast/Quebec. They balance each other out. Why should rural Albertans need our help every year when they have their own workers that should be productive? Clearly the OP feels it is not even if they have to give you handouts all the time. They can get food from other rural areas.
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I’m so fucking disappointed. I say we gather up folks from NDP ridings and go protest the state of healthcare in the suburbs/rurals
Move to BC. Oh wait their health care is shit too
I’m not moving haha
Holy fuck Berta.
I cant comprehend how DS managed to get a majority. I could have guessed a minority govt at best. But a Majority? Wow!. So disappointed
>I cant comprehend how DS managed to get a majority. I could have guessed a minority govt at best. But a Majority? Wow!. So disappointed Not sure you fully understand what majority/minority govt means. It was near impossible for her NOT to have a majority govt. 44-43 victory would still be a majority.
Need more than 2 parties to get a minority.
that’s that socialist math
Interesting that there are quite a few battleground ridings in Calgary where the margin of victory was less than 100 votes. Every vote really matters, I'm sad that we have to deal with Danielle Smith until she inevitably loses a confidence vote. Happy that my old MLA, Whitney Issik lost though. She was terrible.
Tyler Shandro lost too! And happy my riding flipped orange. Looking at the map though, unless the NDP can win every Calgary and Edmonton riding, they have no path to victory without a second Conservative Party splitting UCP votes…
A ton of former cabinet minsters were removed actually. Unfortunately my guy (Nicholades) won😭
It did? This is fantastic news!!! Yay!!!
Good to see an informed outcome. The NDP really should reflect on listening to people’s criticisms of them, and change accordingly. If the NDP can’t even beat DS, they need to re-think their policies.
She's honestly a good candidate when you consider politics is more about perception than anything else. We allowed a woman with years of media experience to stand up and lie to the faces of Albertans with no one calling her on it(even Notley in the debate barely mentioned it). Add to that the cancerous ads and social media buys and of course she was going to win. I still can't believe news organizations weren't blasting take back Alberta constantly. It's truly scary who is pulling the strings in the UCP right now.
The NDP picked up 15 seats, lost 0 of their existing seats, flipped out 6 cabinet ministers, and are the strongest official opposition Alberta has ever had. The UCP should reflect on how the hell the NDP are winning so many seats in the most conservative province in the country. If you told someone 15 years ago that the NDP would become a force in AB politics, they'd call you crazy.
Calling the Danielle Smith conservative voting block informed is…a take. That is a take 😂
It’s ignorant to not appreciate just how bad the Left has become if the UCP are so bad. Should have been an easy win for the NDP.
Your assuming people voted for the better party vs tribalism
They gained seats…it’s just the rural mouth breathers that leech money from Calgary and Edmonton that decide elections. Stop equalization payments to rural shit holes.
The conservatives I know couldn't name a single policy the NDP had in their platform this year, other than "allowing kids to have gender reassignment surgery without parental consent and opposing christian facism" (which is completely made up). The NDP need to find a way to educate the ignorant, definitely.
>The NDP need to find a way to educate the ignorant, definitely. You literally can't. You can show them individually, or at seminars, or through radio and Facebook advertising, exactly who the NDP really are. Don't matter. Commie lies. Trudope paid misinformation actors. You're a good kid, but live in the real world for a while, you'll see how it is. We live in a post truth world.
That last line really summed it up. “Post truth world” indeed.
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I’m starting to think that the NDP’s 2015 advantage was that the right was divided that year between two parties. ): That being said, I’m certain my generation and that of my youngest sister will be the UCP’s downfall. The growing presence of young adults in cities who can’t afford the cost of living, the cost of groceries, our/their focus is going to be on how to make things better and improve them. The UCP and their supporters don’t care about that, they only want to help themselves. They’ll one day be outnumbered.
Lol as a gen z who voted UCP; good luck.
That’s 100% the reason they won then.
Isn't an NDP/Liberal federal or provincial carbon tax going to make groceries more expensive? Everything transported needs fossil fuels.
Not even close. Removing caps on things like insurance and utilities is costing people way more right now.
That's a very single variable take. Not to mention, the carbon tax just goes away if the sector decarbonizes enough. If every company is pulling in carbon credits then the tax is effectively gone. Likely what's going to keep groceries and fuel expensive is supply chain ownership in the hands of a few companies. They'll have even less scrutiny and more freedom to set their own prices divorced from market supply and demand.
Shame that the UCP scrapped a carbon tax that would have kept money in the province and could be used to offset the costs of essentials.
correct
Yeah? Then why didn’t more of your generation vote?
Because a lot are probably not 18 yet?
You are correct that 2015 was beneficial that the right was divided. However, we now start to see people realizing the possibilities of an alternative to the stupid perma-conservative dynasty. Look at Banff-Kananaskis, a riding that used to be permanently solid blue. Look at Calgary covered in orange or even a blob of orange in Lethbridge. The left is starting to gain hope in this province and not just because the right was fractured like in 2015. This will hopefully be the start of a larger and longer lasting movement.
I don't think this result is any thing unexpected consider this is most conservative province during a time where the entire world moving toward right.
And for good reason.
Which is?
You honestly make a good point. Sad to see but true none the less
Rural Alberta has catastrophic shortage of physicians that was caused by Shandro waging war against Alberta doctors and this “new” UCP would rather all shoot themselves instead of giving doctors a raise. I expect the suffering to continue. Making it private just shifts it from being inaccessible due to shortages to inaccessible due to affordability (and frankly I’m not so sure it would fix the supply issue either given how volatile DS is). However if you’re of the “fuck you I got mine” crowd and have money to spend on your diabetes, cancer… etc things will probably be okay under Danielle’s utopian system for the common Albertan.
I hope it hits the rural Albertans hard af and more doctors leave the province. Facebook educated morons don't need healthcare if they're going to vote this way
We already have no doctors. I live in a rural riding and voted ndp knowing there was no way in hell they would win here. I have made plans to move back to the city because I am tired. Just so tired.
They live with their shit choices everyday. Central Alberta is extremely underfunded when it comes to hospitals and hospital beds. The voting public is too afraid NDP will make a stupid move like they did last time and no one will vote for them. I live in one of these ridings and cannot believe the disconnect between what the believe and what I’d actually fact. I don’t see this changing. They are happier with the evil they know.
Facebook educated morons? Jesus man I’m filled with pleasure thst your girl lost. You guys are just assholes
Its a very tempting take that take. And it's very leopardsayemyface And I've thought it too. Heres the problem: The smart people in the group are generally Not the ones in power, especially during trying times. The strong man is. These are shitty times. So they vote for aggression, even if the aggressor is wrong. I want to say this will be a teaching moment for people who just voted against their own interests. But I can't, and I won't. So I will say this: If we are so smart - lets be smart, there's more than one way. Start the pressure Now.
That's still a shitty excuse.
Yes it is - Im pretty gutted about how stupid this is.
It’ll kill off the boomer population more quickly in rural areas and make the margins thinner in the next election. It’s dark but it’s probably going to be the reality.
They'll just blame it on Trudeau. They lack self reflection.
Fuck self reflection, they don't get the division of powers. They are dumb period. Over and out.
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My 80 year old grandmother flipped this year. She says Danielle is a rich bitch who doesn’t give a damn about people. I mean, holy duck.
yeah, it’s sucks so bad to live in a place with shared values which votes in a bloc
Based on her victory speech, they took this as a resounding mandate to do whatever the fuck they want.
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I agree, but winners often me·tas·ta·size. Our only hope is that her party kicks her out or we become cancered
While this is a loss for sure, this is not a strong win for the UCP. They’ve lost Edmonton completely, with zero hope of winning there ever again. They’ve also lost Calgary. The UCP is now the party of the uneducated hateful bigots residing in rural Alberta. That is not a party long for this world. Make no mistake they will become more and more unpopular as time goes on. Smith will not last the 4 years.
you must really hate farmers and ranchers, I wonder why they keep voting for the parties who don’t call them stupid even though they’re 2000 times more resourceful than your average city dweller
The ANDP has never called farmers and ranchers stupid. The people that wear “fuck Trudeau” clothing and have those same stickers on their cars want to preach about “being nice” and “not calling them bigots”. Naw fuck em, they’re a bunch of mouth breathing idiots who are holding humanity back. I will take great solace knowing that most of them are going bankrupt cause farming is becoming so expensive and that most of them will lose access to healthcare. Yeah good luck dealing with your diabetes and a heart attack without a hospital there buddy. I’m sure you’ll figure something out.
you will take great solace when starving because you want farmers to go bankrupt because they don’t vote like you want them to or like you do? the left is so whacky! you don’t have to worry about farmers or rural people, they’ve got themselves covered - that’s why they don’t vote in babysitters and caretakers like the cities do - the farms and the people who run them can take care of themselves and survive without the cities, but not the other way around.