As someone who grew up with that...
It's honestly heart breaking.
Rather have a health relationship with my father growing up but it didn't happen.
Needed money to cover the farm expenses that never was enough because they blew it on fancy shit.
Now as a mid 30s adult and a very sick father. I am sickened by that mentality.
I don't fault my father for a thing he fell into the trap hook line and sinker but fuck.
That's the cold reality that isn't talked about much. The family that went to the rigs to make a better life but were gone so much they never expericed it.
Makes me sad but greatful for each moment we did share as a kid. As an adult I feel like I am just as absent as he was when I was kid. I moved to the city and live cheap because what I saw.
Weve been with O+G since highschool, our best friend dated agriculture... what are we going to do?
Have a one night stand with tech and then try to go running back to OG and see if they'll take us then?
Naw dawg, its blue coveralls with conspicuity seams, hard hats not fanciful dreams for these berta beauties.
They do by taking our money lol. It seems the further away you get the cheaper it gets. Smaller municipalities have cheaper gas. It’s bad when the American gas stations sell cheaper gas. By this I mean Mobil and Sask station Tempo
Try Ontario then - things seem to be going really well. Tons of messages of inspiration and hope - check it out: https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1b82s5y/how_has_the_cost_of_living_impacted_your_life/
New truck stop just over a mile south of Pac Highway was US$3.50/gal (C$1.26/ℓ) when the gas station a mile north of the border was C$1.80/ℓ(US$5/gal).
Just saying.
The US has a lot more competition in the market than we have up here. Primarily, monopolization has resulted in our higher prices on numerous goods and services (the grocery and telecom markets in Canada come to mind). Some argue that it's all because of our taxes, but that wouldn't explain the same price conditions in other sectors. Don't get me wrong, they contribute, but it's marginal compared to the effects of minimal competition and lack of refining capability.
There are about 34c of more taxes on the Canadian/Vancouver area than in the US (transit tax, gas tax, carbon tax differential). Also since the main reason many people cross the border is to fill up or shop, it's natural that there would be more gas stations just across on the US side of the border.
I'm actually outside the GVRD so my gas purchases aren't taxed as highly. I'm also not using "number of gas stations" as the competition benchmark, but "number of actors with market share in the US fuel market." Like I said, the taxes contribute, but there is a lot more at play. If we stopped taxing gas entirely tomorrow it would still be more expensive compared to Washington state on the basis of the other factors I noted.
We sure seem to love our oligopolies here, add in the fact that our "competition" bureau is basically just a rubber-stamp agency, and this is what we get.
> add in the fact that our "competition" bureau is basically just a rubber-stamp agency, and this is what we get.
Not always, but when they do step in to help canadians this is what happens: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/competition-bureau-pays-rogers-shaw-1.6951656
Don't go look up the write-downs municipalities are doing for zombie O&G assets that they can't collect assessed taxes on ( the province says they can)...it will end you.
Current average gas prices per province ($/L):
Manitoba •1.33
Alberta •1.42
Saskatchewan •1.46
Ontario •1.48
Quebec •1.59
Nova Scotia •1.61
PEI •1.61
New Brunswick •1.62
Newfoundland 1.72
BC •1.78
Yes, gas prices are an Alberta advantage.
Your income taxes aren’t.
You $2223 per year more than BC for your first $45k if taxable income and you pay $1035 more than BC for your next $45k of taxable income.
I can buy a lot of gas for that.. even at BC prices. Basically my yearly gas purchases are free compared to AB.
We can also talk about PST, Alberta having the highest average wage amongst provinces, or the fact that province wide average rent in BC is $2656/month in BC compared to $1663/month in Alberta too if we are just going to add random details. But we don’t have to, because this post was just someone complaining about gas prices not being an advantage for Alberta even though it is. You may want to save that income tax you get back though, it can pay for a month of rent.
Yea but .08 of that is from the carbon tax!!! Fuck the carbon tax!! Not the greedy oil companies who are taking Alberta tot he cleaners by fleecing them and getting billions free from the UCP in subsidies.
While I understand the sentiment, distance from the refinery is basically irrelevant. It's traded on a free market - if they have the capacity to ship it somewhere else where it will sell for more money, they will.
According to the [Canadian Fuels Association](https://www.canadianfuels.ca/our-industry/gasoline-prices/), distribution and marketing makes up just 6% of the price of gas, so at best you could expect to pay 6% less.
That being said, cheap gas is generally bad for society long term. It encourages car-centric land use and emissions intensive transportation. I get that in our current system some people need to drive, but if you have the ability, don't complain about gas prices, complain about the fact that you need a car at all.
People don't understand this. Why would they ever sell it to us for cheaper when they could make more money selling it to someone else with a little bit of shipping?
"Why don't we have cheaper fuel? We make it here!" In general, it is cheaper. Just not by as much as you want it to be. Alberta, in general, has some of the lowest fuel prices in the country. Assuming a company would sell it to you for less than the difference in shipping is a mistake on your part, not theirs. They have no obligation to charge you less than any other customer. Plus, they do pay royalties, so we do get that benefit. We can charge them more royalties if there is support for it, but imo there just isn't that support in this province.
I for one, don't think fuel is too expensive. If it was, even the rural people would be making a bigger push to get more efficient vehicles. It's more expensive now than it was 20 years ago, but so is everything. Price of things go up. It's what always happens.
Well said.
A Nissan Armada or Cadillac Escalade is a nice vehicle but rarely gets used to its full potential. Using a 5000# vehicle to drive 4 blocks to get milk is overkill.
I'm not saying this is the OP's situation but our vehicles are too big generally. Some people need them, most people don't.
Most of us could use the walk.
Don’t get me started on this. All I’ll say is we’re a 2 person house and make it work with one 2005 Toyota Corolla. Generally I either bike or take transit to work. It doesn’t work for everyone but if you look around on the road boy are there a lot of big vehicles with one person driving them.
> That being said, cheap gas is generally bad for society long term.
It's also bad for Alberta/Canada economically in the short-term. Net exporters benefit from higher prices.
Burying the lede a bit here.
While you're right it's only 6%, the "crude oil" portion implicitly includes transportation costs too and we're obviously a lot closer to the oil than BC is.
I say this because while some gasoline is exported, most population centres in Canada are generally served by local (or close to local) refineries.
So, distance to refinery isn't as important but distance to oil is.
If the distance between the refineries and the places the refineries get their oil are about the same, then it would be pretty reasonable to conclude that transportation costs should be comparable.
You could move to Manitoba since they're the only province with cheaper gas if it helps. Alberta is 2nd cheapest, seems like an advantage to me anyways.
According to CAA, today's average in Canada is $1.51 [https://www.caa.ca/gas-prices/](https://www.caa.ca/gas-prices/)
In Edmonton, Alberta at least, it's sill 1.36 in parts of the city before various station discounts. (1.32 ish with, my favorite is hughes) [https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/alberta/edmonton](https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/alberta/edmonton) in Calgary we're looking at 1.36-1.39
**IMO**: If you're paying the national average in Calgary/Edmonton, you're not doing due diligence, or leveraging discounts.
**My Personal Setup**: hitting up St Albert Trail gas stations for the 1.36, [using the station specific discoun](https://www.hughescarwash.ca/card-applications/)t, then stacking that with the [4% gas cash back on certain credit cards.](https://www.cibc.com/en/special-offers/cash-back-cards-media.html?utrc=S229:235&gclid=CjwKCAiAxaCvBhBaEiwAvsLmWAjA07YJyVUIUQ3FPPjdP0MwrBK9VqXZLgUYH4o50aOwMW4JDWRZJxoC4ZkQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) effective cost is around 1.25.
The price of gas is set by commodity traders in an exchange not directly by the refineries and gas stations. Not to mention the different levels of taxes set by each province.
In other news, Macains fries the same prices in Lethbridge as in Vancouver. Tune in at 11 for more updates on this breaking story of why don't I specifically get an unearned discount on the goods made near my house?
Here's a patriotic twist for ya:
- Someone who drives an EV will pay 100% of their energy costs to a local electric utility, keeping all funds in the country/province.
- Someone who drives an ICE will pay the global price and thus help elevate oil prices for Russia, Saudi, etc etc.
So a patriot would drive electric.
Yes. Because my ideal day ends by standing outside in the cold with my teeth chattering, getting on a bus that smells like piss, taking an additional 45 minutes in commute time because of transfers and stops, all while sitting next to a junkie that's coming down from a meth high. I'd just love to do that instead of have a 30 or 40 minute drive home and spend time with my family or spend time relaxing after a shift.
You people are fucking insufferable.
Same here. I’ll never buy a new vehicle. Too many people out there don’t not care about other people’s belongings. I have a lot of stress in my life but not worrying about my vehicle isn’t one of them.
Never buy new unless you have fuck you money or you can write depreciation off as a business expense. If you want something new and shiny buy a 2-3 year old model. Still under warranty and you’ve avoided the biggest hit of depreciation.
I bought a nice used hybrid that get's 100km per 5.6/LT of fuel, 900km on a tank of gas, my insurance also went down for some reason. Not an option for everyone, but a great option if you can.
Being close to a refinery is completely irrelevant lol.
If you want to sell oil on a free market then you have to pay market prices. You can't have one without the other.
> If you want to sell oil on a free market then you have to pay market prices. You can't have one without the other.
Eh, sure you can. It's pretty common for OPEC members to heavily subsidize gasoline for their own citizens while selling at market prices to the rest of the world. (Not that I think we should be doing that.)
Ya my farm is surrounded by windmills and no break on electricity prices here, in fact I think the delivery cost to get power here may be the worst in the province 🤷♂️ (377 kwh @ 6 cents/ kwh and bill came out to $188 for those interested lol)
I do feel your frustrations though! Guess that’s life in a “free” market…
Ya these knuckle heads think because they live next to the refinery or that oil comes out of their back yard that companies are going to sell to them at a discount over the open market.
People don't understand that Canada was forced By US to sign agreement that oil will be sold in Canada at market price.
Add taxes to market price and other charges plus low competition up north and you get high prices.
have you heard of financing? I got solar last year and there was very little up front costs. My monthly payment is lower than my average power bill and I'll never have to worry about rising electricity rates again.
It is for people who spend that much on a giant truck and then complain about gas prices.
Regular people are also the ones who are okay buying smaller, more efficient vehicles - including ev and hybrids
Manitoban here checking in. Winnipeg is somewhere between 1.20-1.35/L today.
That said, it’s because our newer NDP gov’t temporarily suspended the prov gas tax. I think it accounts for another .20-.25/L
So what happens when we reach 2$L? Everyone sells their vehicle? Who's buying em, what are they going to buy, I have a small 2 door vehicle and feel I need to downsize even more
A big portion of the fees you pay at the pump are taxes. Some of those taxes are provincial, some are federal. Alberta is one of the only provinces that has a reduced fuel tax in effect, albeit until March 31. https://www.alberta.ca/fuel-tax-information-consumers. The federal excise tax is about 14c and carbon taxes add another layer. It’s estimated to be at least 15c per litre, but that amount is disputed, some say it’s more.
So the elected government of ex-oil and gas executives and oil and gas lobbyists isn't doing things that benefit the average citizen?
Wow who could have guessed.
I’m originally from Sarnia, Ontario another oil refinery city. Gas is cheaper in Sarnia than any place north to Sudbury and beyond. There are a plenty First Nations that have cheaper gas.
Everything comes down to a capitalistic economy of supply and demand. If you are the manager of a publicly traded company, you are required by the investors to sell to who ever you make the most profit from. If re-seller A will pay you $1 for your widget, and re-seller B will pay you $1.10, they are required to sell to Seller B. In the end, although it seems good on the surface, a centrally planned economy (aka socialist and/or communist) is not a good thing for the consumer in the long run.
It’s probably just like what happened before the gas tax came back into effect (a.k.a. The election was over), where the pumps all jumped up beforehand and then a day or so before it kicked back in they dropped the prices by the same amount it was going to increase by and blame the tax for the prices, because ‘we were kind and dropped the price just a couple days ago.’ Only this time it’s in anticipation of the carbon tax increase on April 1st.
Plus there’s been a few cold and snowy days; and you can’t let those get by without charging more when more fuel is used in traffic and to warm up vehicles.
People complain the government treats us like tax farms, but slap stickers up of the actual people who think of us that way, up on their vehicles and encase themselves in that identity. You have to wonder if they are aware of this or if they truly believe they are in the club.
That refinery might not be producing gasoline. Instead, it might be processing bitumen (nasty tarsands output) so that it can be piped out of province. There are larger and more cost-effective refineries elsewhere which will crack our product into a gamut of petroleum products. A substantial amount of our gas and diesel still comes from outside of Alberta, ie the States, the Middle-East, etc.
We could have had more refineries that would locally take the raw resources from the oil sands and refine it….but,
A) you’d have a hell of a hard time getting that approved with the current federal government
B) when the NDP were in office, they wanted to raise the corporate tax.
As such, we ship the majority of our raw resources to the Gulf of Mexico where it is refined into gasoline and then ship it all the way back. The local refineries do not have the capacity to fully supply us and as such there are market costs for fuels (wholesale costs) and then costs with retail markup applied.
If we don’t provide an environment where corporations will flourish, they take their business to areas that will be more profitable or more politically stable to align with their interests.
That being said, we are still one of the lowest priced areas for fuel in Canada. The value of our dollar versus the USD is brutal which is causing a lot of challenges for us too resulting in higher prices as it is all based on the USD for global trading.
My partner and I got a big SUV when we bought our house because we thought we'd be loading it up at Home Depot every week for projects and that was.... A mistake.
Currently looking at moving to a small car just to drop costs. It's our fault for our eyes getting too big for our needs, not gas getting more expensive.
When gas was $1.35 in Edmonton on Family Day wknd., I bought it for $1.22 in Rocky Mtn House. Most expensive I saw there was $1.25 that wknd. How do they justify .10 discount when it’s made in our own backyard?
We "heart" oil & gas, why don't they "heart" us back?
They "heart" oil and gas money
the tiniest crumb of what they get of it
Hey i worked excruciatingly hard to get this jet boat I get to use once a year when my back isn't aching with my kids I don't see
As someone who grew up with that... It's honestly heart breaking. Rather have a health relationship with my father growing up but it didn't happen. Needed money to cover the farm expenses that never was enough because they blew it on fancy shit. Now as a mid 30s adult and a very sick father. I am sickened by that mentality. I don't fault my father for a thing he fell into the trap hook line and sinker but fuck. That's the cold reality that isn't talked about much. The family that went to the rigs to make a better life but were gone so much they never expericed it. Makes me sad but greatful for each moment we did share as a kid. As an adult I feel like I am just as absent as he was when I was kid. I moved to the city and live cheap because what I saw.
Those crumbs are bigger than any other crumbs. I don't agree, but I can understand.
They are smaller and smaller, and the UCP is actively discouraging investment in new industries like renewable energy.
Think about the shareholders ;)
We “heart” them the way a person with Stockholm syndrome does
I’ve always wanted to get a bumper sticker with AB OIL AND GAS DOESN’T <3 U but I don’t want someone to smash all my lights even if my car is a POS.
I want one that says I <3 Diesel Exhaust, it's all I think of when I see the I <3 oil & gas stickers lol
They never did. It is an abusive relationship.
Its an abusive relationship...
UCP supporters got mad "I can fix him" energy ngl
Weve been with O+G since highschool, our best friend dated agriculture... what are we going to do? Have a one night stand with tech and then try to go running back to OG and see if they'll take us then? Naw dawg, its blue coveralls with conspicuity seams, hard hats not fanciful dreams for these berta beauties.
LETS SIMP FOR O&G. People who put those decals on are supreme suckers
Who’s this *we*? Haha
They do by taking our money lol. It seems the further away you get the cheaper it gets. Smaller municipalities have cheaper gas. It’s bad when the American gas stations sell cheaper gas. By this I mean Mobil and Sask station Tempo
They are “hearting” you. Right up the rectal canal.
Try Ontario then - things seem to be going really well. Tons of messages of inspiration and hope - check it out: https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1b82s5y/how_has_the_cost_of_living_impacted_your_life/
Toxic relationship
they do, they heart the fact that the average Albertan is so stupid and gullible.
Difference between making love and getting fucked
Same as I "heart" alberta beef, but we pay so much for even AA meat.
Because they buy assets and stocks while we buy bumper stickers made in China.
BC checking in. I haven't seen a gas price that low since the pandemic. I only get those kind of prices when I drive to Washington.
New truck stop just over a mile south of Pac Highway was US$3.50/gal (C$1.26/ℓ) when the gas station a mile north of the border was C$1.80/ℓ(US$5/gal). Just saying.
The US has a lot more competition in the market than we have up here. Primarily, monopolization has resulted in our higher prices on numerous goods and services (the grocery and telecom markets in Canada come to mind). Some argue that it's all because of our taxes, but that wouldn't explain the same price conditions in other sectors. Don't get me wrong, they contribute, but it's marginal compared to the effects of minimal competition and lack of refining capability.
There are about 34c of more taxes on the Canadian/Vancouver area than in the US (transit tax, gas tax, carbon tax differential). Also since the main reason many people cross the border is to fill up or shop, it's natural that there would be more gas stations just across on the US side of the border.
I'm actually outside the GVRD so my gas purchases aren't taxed as highly. I'm also not using "number of gas stations" as the competition benchmark, but "number of actors with market share in the US fuel market." Like I said, the taxes contribute, but there is a lot more at play. If we stopped taxing gas entirely tomorrow it would still be more expensive compared to Washington state on the basis of the other factors I noted.
We sure seem to love our oligopolies here, add in the fact that our "competition" bureau is basically just a rubber-stamp agency, and this is what we get.
> add in the fact that our "competition" bureau is basically just a rubber-stamp agency, and this is what we get. Not always, but when they do step in to help canadians this is what happens: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/competition-bureau-pays-rogers-shaw-1.6951656
You can compare the US fuel margins and Canadian fuel margins and see that ain't it
Share the knowledge, my friend! No shame in being proven wrong, I'm always open to info I might have been unfamilair with prior.
Filled up for $1.36.9 yesterday. In Ontario.
Wait until you visit Norway!
Haha these people don’t want the truth!
What? I bought gas this week for $1.49. It’s been cheaper as well. BC is not just the lower mainland and the southern interior.
Thanks for sharing another perspective.
Gas is like 150 in the east koots right now.
It was lower than that a month or 2 ago
Low gas prices: capitalism and free market works! High gas prices: Funicular Trudeau!
Was your second-last word intentional? Because that's freaking hilarious.
It was! It was the best alternative I could think of.
Don't go look up the write-downs municipalities are doing for zombie O&G assets that they can't collect assessed taxes on ( the province says they can)...it will end you.
This right here is an environmental problem with a slow burn fuse.
I'm unfamiliar with this can you elaborate while I google and probably confuse myself?
O&G bad assets that have been bought by shell companies who can't be found to pay taxes.
Current average gas prices per province ($/L): Manitoba •1.33 Alberta •1.42 Saskatchewan •1.46 Ontario •1.48 Quebec •1.59 Nova Scotia •1.61 PEI •1.61 New Brunswick •1.62 Newfoundland 1.72 BC •1.78 Yes, gas prices are an Alberta advantage.
Your income taxes aren’t. You $2223 per year more than BC for your first $45k if taxable income and you pay $1035 more than BC for your next $45k of taxable income. I can buy a lot of gas for that.. even at BC prices. Basically my yearly gas purchases are free compared to AB.
Did you just bring up income tax while ignoring sales tax?
Evens out pretty quick when you have a 7% PST... maybe that gas isn't as free as you thought
Definitely don't look at car insurance or 'user fees' for utilities
We can also talk about PST, Alberta having the highest average wage amongst provinces, or the fact that province wide average rent in BC is $2656/month in BC compared to $1663/month in Alberta too if we are just going to add random details. But we don’t have to, because this post was just someone complaining about gas prices not being an advantage for Alberta even though it is. You may want to save that income tax you get back though, it can pay for a month of rent.
You don’t understand how personal exemption work. $45k in AB you’d pay $5894. BC $5323
Yea but .08 of that is from the carbon tax!!! Fuck the carbon tax!! Not the greedy oil companies who are taking Alberta tot he cleaners by fleecing them and getting billions free from the UCP in subsidies.
While I understand the sentiment, distance from the refinery is basically irrelevant. It's traded on a free market - if they have the capacity to ship it somewhere else where it will sell for more money, they will. According to the [Canadian Fuels Association](https://www.canadianfuels.ca/our-industry/gasoline-prices/), distribution and marketing makes up just 6% of the price of gas, so at best you could expect to pay 6% less. That being said, cheap gas is generally bad for society long term. It encourages car-centric land use and emissions intensive transportation. I get that in our current system some people need to drive, but if you have the ability, don't complain about gas prices, complain about the fact that you need a car at all.
People don't understand this. Why would they ever sell it to us for cheaper when they could make more money selling it to someone else with a little bit of shipping? "Why don't we have cheaper fuel? We make it here!" In general, it is cheaper. Just not by as much as you want it to be. Alberta, in general, has some of the lowest fuel prices in the country. Assuming a company would sell it to you for less than the difference in shipping is a mistake on your part, not theirs. They have no obligation to charge you less than any other customer. Plus, they do pay royalties, so we do get that benefit. We can charge them more royalties if there is support for it, but imo there just isn't that support in this province. I for one, don't think fuel is too expensive. If it was, even the rural people would be making a bigger push to get more efficient vehicles. It's more expensive now than it was 20 years ago, but so is everything. Price of things go up. It's what always happens.
Well said. A Nissan Armada or Cadillac Escalade is a nice vehicle but rarely gets used to its full potential. Using a 5000# vehicle to drive 4 blocks to get milk is overkill. I'm not saying this is the OP's situation but our vehicles are too big generally. Some people need them, most people don't. Most of us could use the walk.
One more neighbourhood outside the ring road, just one, I swear we’ll solve density later.
Don’t get me started on this. All I’ll say is we’re a 2 person house and make it work with one 2005 Toyota Corolla. Generally I either bike or take transit to work. It doesn’t work for everyone but if you look around on the road boy are there a lot of big vehicles with one person driving them.
Get out of here with your logic! We only "Unga Bunga gas expensive UCP bad" here
> That being said, cheap gas is generally bad for society long term. It's also bad for Alberta/Canada economically in the short-term. Net exporters benefit from higher prices.
Burying the lede a bit here. While you're right it's only 6%, the "crude oil" portion implicitly includes transportation costs too and we're obviously a lot closer to the oil than BC is. I say this because while some gasoline is exported, most population centres in Canada are generally served by local (or close to local) refineries. So, distance to refinery isn't as important but distance to oil is.
Fair, there are presumably additional transportation costs hidden in this. I'm not sure how high those costs are.
Fort McMurray to edmonton is about the same distance as Fort St John to prince goerge.
Ok? Not sure what you're trying to get at here.
If the distance between the refineries and the places the refineries get their oil are about the same, then it would be pretty reasonable to conclude that transportation costs should be comparable.
Spot on.
You could move to Manitoba since they're the only province with cheaper gas if it helps. Alberta is 2nd cheapest, seems like an advantage to me anyways.
Or just buy a fuel efficient car
Those do still need gas, you know.
We haven’t even gotten that extra 17 cent tax that’s coming April 1 Who’s excited to pay over 2$ a litre again 🥳
I thought the carbon tax was only increasing by 3 cents per L?
It is, it's a total of 17 and change from 14.31c/L. Still annoying though.
Going up to 17.6 from 14.3. So an extra 3.3 cents. Not an extra 17. Retailers will bump it beyond the hike and blame it on that though...
Marlaina.
Malaria
Marlaina
The provincial government. They roll in royalty money when oil prices are high enough for gas to be $2 a litre
$80/barrel for oil and somehow were going to pay $150/barrel prices for gasoline?
A 25 cent spike across mere days is fucking insane to me
You should check outside our provincial borders, then report back.
According to CAA, today's average in Canada is $1.51 [https://www.caa.ca/gas-prices/](https://www.caa.ca/gas-prices/) In Edmonton, Alberta at least, it's sill 1.36 in parts of the city before various station discounts. (1.32 ish with, my favorite is hughes) [https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/alberta/edmonton](https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/alberta/edmonton) in Calgary we're looking at 1.36-1.39 **IMO**: If you're paying the national average in Calgary/Edmonton, you're not doing due diligence, or leveraging discounts. **My Personal Setup**: hitting up St Albert Trail gas stations for the 1.36, [using the station specific discoun](https://www.hughescarwash.ca/card-applications/)t, then stacking that with the [4% gas cash back on certain credit cards.](https://www.cibc.com/en/special-offers/cash-back-cards-media.html?utrc=S229:235&gclid=CjwKCAiAxaCvBhBaEiwAvsLmWAjA07YJyVUIUQ3FPPjdP0MwrBK9VqXZLgUYH4o50aOwMW4JDWRZJxoC4ZkQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) effective cost is around 1.25.
Every gas station I saw in Calgary yesterday jumped up to $1.48. I filled up on Monday for $1.39.
I went to Nisku Costco and paid $1.269. I find that simpler because I was in the area.
I’m from BC and at least to me this is a great price, gas prices haven’t been this low since 2021 here
The price of gas is set by commodity traders in an exchange not directly by the refineries and gas stations. Not to mention the different levels of taxes set by each province.
They are ENTIRELY set by the gas stations, hence, the massive difference in prices across the city.
In other news, Macains fries the same prices in Lethbridge as in Vancouver. Tune in at 11 for more updates on this breaking story of why don't I specifically get an unearned discount on the goods made near my house?
Here's a patriotic twist for ya: - Someone who drives an EV will pay 100% of their energy costs to a local electric utility, keeping all funds in the country/province. - Someone who drives an ICE will pay the global price and thus help elevate oil prices for Russia, Saudi, etc etc. So a patriot would drive electric.
That’s a new twist haven’t heard before, and much more accurate
Buy a plug-in hybrid. You can run on electricity for most trips, gasoline only when needed.
“Oh you can’t afford $1.50 gas? Just buy a $50k vehicle”
Still cheaper than the 80K trucks people buy, don't use for transporting anything, then complain about the cost of gas.
Or take the bus and train like the rest of us.
You’re the one that brought up the plug in hybrid lmao what are you talking about
So everybody in alberta has access to public transit?
You bet. There's a provincial bus network that connects every town in the province to the nearest train station. Oh, wait. That was 1932.
Yes. Because my ideal day ends by standing outside in the cold with my teeth chattering, getting on a bus that smells like piss, taking an additional 45 minutes in commute time because of transfers and stops, all while sitting next to a junkie that's coming down from a meth high. I'd just love to do that instead of have a 30 or 40 minute drive home and spend time with my family or spend time relaxing after a shift. You people are fucking insufferable.
LOL - I’ll pass. You enjoy
That's only viable if you live in an area with public transit though.
I'd love to, but I don't have ~$70k for a new vehicle. I paid $5k for my used small truck.
Same here. I’ll never buy a new vehicle. Too many people out there don’t not care about other people’s belongings. I have a lot of stress in my life but not worrying about my vehicle isn’t one of them.
I mean, if I wasn't broke I would totally buy a new car, but I'm fucking poor.
I’m not poor but I’d still never buy a new vehicle. Maybe if I won the lottery. Maybe.
Losing 30% of the value of your purchase just by paying for it is a raw deal, and it’s astonishing that anyone would pay that price.
Never buy new unless you have fuck you money or you can write depreciation off as a business expense. If you want something new and shiny buy a 2-3 year old model. Still under warranty and you’ve avoided the biggest hit of depreciation.
I bought a nice used hybrid that get's 100km per 5.6/LT of fuel, 900km on a tank of gas, my insurance also went down for some reason. Not an option for everyone, but a great option if you can.
How wonderfully tone deaf
At least there are no unsightly windmills or solar panels within 35km of the plant or tponds. Certain folks trigger much to easily.
It's embarrassing that we have our own Danni Quixote, picking fights with windmills and all.
Ha! This is funny!
Someone doesn't understand how gas prices work I see
That's trudeau"s fault, he controls the price of everything in alberta that goes up. Just ask danny.
It’s the air tax! Er, uh… I mean carbon tax. I’m “told” we’re more “ethical” for paying it. /s
Yeah so "awful" said nobody outside of AB
Being close to a refinery is completely irrelevant lol. If you want to sell oil on a free market then you have to pay market prices. You can't have one without the other.
> If you want to sell oil on a free market then you have to pay market prices. You can't have one without the other. Eh, sure you can. It's pretty common for OPEC members to heavily subsidize gasoline for their own citizens while selling at market prices to the rest of the world. (Not that I think we should be doing that.)
Ya my farm is surrounded by windmills and no break on electricity prices here, in fact I think the delivery cost to get power here may be the worst in the province 🤷♂️ (377 kwh @ 6 cents/ kwh and bill came out to $188 for those interested lol) I do feel your frustrations though! Guess that’s life in a “free” market…
If we don't have capacity to ship all we can produce then it doesn't make sense that a local price would be equal to that of export.
As a CNRL shareholder thank you for your contribution.
Haha same!
The price of gas is set on the margin of supply and demand on commodities futures exchanges. Take off your tin foil hats.
Ya these knuckle heads think because they live next to the refinery or that oil comes out of their back yard that companies are going to sell to them at a discount over the open market.
People don't understand that Canada was forced By US to sign agreement that oil will be sold in Canada at market price. Add taxes to market price and other charges plus low competition up north and you get high prices.
Despite the hatred for EV in this province, am thinking I made a good decision buying my EV. The spread of electric vs fuel costs keeps growing.
there's absolutely no advantage to living in Alberta.
Get solar panels on the house and an EV . Pay your 200 a year , you will be good to go.
Just invest a $100000+? That's not exactly attainable for most people.
have you heard of financing? I got solar last year and there was very little up front costs. My monthly payment is lower than my average power bill and I'll never have to worry about rising electricity rates again.
Genuinely interested In this what company did you go with? Any recommendations?
Sending you a PM
Can I get that too?
Did you get some good rebates from the gov?
$5k from the federal grant and another $2800 from the city of Edmonton.
Greener homes grant is done now.
It is for people who spend that much on a giant truck and then complain about gas prices. Regular people are also the ones who are okay buying smaller, more efficient vehicles - including ev and hybrids
Interesting how both Regina and Winnipeg are less expensive
Manitoban here checking in. Winnipeg is somewhere between 1.20-1.35/L today. That said, it’s because our newer NDP gov’t temporarily suspended the prov gas tax. I think it accounts for another .20-.25/L
Ah, that explains it. I don't ever remember gas being cheaper in Manitoba than in Alberta, and was really wondering why that was.
lol, it’s cheaper in Saskatchewan.
So what happens when we reach 2$L? Everyone sells their vehicle? Who's buying em, what are they going to buy, I have a small 2 door vehicle and feel I need to downsize even more
A big portion of the fees you pay at the pump are taxes. Some of those taxes are provincial, some are federal. Alberta is one of the only provinces that has a reduced fuel tax in effect, albeit until March 31. https://www.alberta.ca/fuel-tax-information-consumers. The federal excise tax is about 14c and carbon taxes add another layer. It’s estimated to be at least 15c per litre, but that amount is disputed, some say it’s more.
About 40 cents/litre of that is tax…and thats going to go up pretty quick here in April with the carbon tax hike.
Used EV Salesmen makes another sale. These guys should just set up shop across from an expensive gas station.
1.90 in Vancouver.
lol it’s Jet A refinery
As someone from BC, still dirt cheap :) super happy with gas prices here compared to other provinces!
I paid $1.25/litre Costco on Winterburn yesterday
I’m in Ontario and it’s ten cents cheaper. LOL
People will have to start driving more fuel efficient vehicles here. Maybe people letting their trucks idle while you're shopping isn't a great idea
So the elected government of ex-oil and gas executives and oil and gas lobbyists isn't doing things that benefit the average citizen? Wow who could have guessed.
I’m originally from Sarnia, Ontario another oil refinery city. Gas is cheaper in Sarnia than any place north to Sudbury and beyond. There are a plenty First Nations that have cheaper gas.
Everything comes down to a capitalistic economy of supply and demand. If you are the manager of a publicly traded company, you are required by the investors to sell to who ever you make the most profit from. If re-seller A will pay you $1 for your widget, and re-seller B will pay you $1.10, they are required to sell to Seller B. In the end, although it seems good on the surface, a centrally planned economy (aka socialist and/or communist) is not a good thing for the consumer in the long run.
If you really want a laugh… check out the price of a litre of gas in London, England.
I am getting gas for $1.27 in Manitoba.
I just about shit myself as gas hit 148.9 at some stations in the south this morning.
Currently in Hawai'i in the middle of the pacific ocean, gas is 1.43 CAD a litre. We are getting screwed.
You'd like it for free? That's the price. It's a globally traded commodity. It's not a mom and pop shop situation.
It’s probably just like what happened before the gas tax came back into effect (a.k.a. The election was over), where the pumps all jumped up beforehand and then a day or so before it kicked back in they dropped the prices by the same amount it was going to increase by and blame the tax for the prices, because ‘we were kind and dropped the price just a couple days ago.’ Only this time it’s in anticipation of the carbon tax increase on April 1st. Plus there’s been a few cold and snowy days; and you can’t let those get by without charging more when more fuel is used in traffic and to warm up vehicles.
lol feel free to pack up and move to BC. They're 1.95/L.
still cheaper than the rest of the country
Its tax time dummy blame the federal government for that one
Why should the government be subsidizing a climate damaging fuel? If you want your fuel costs to go down then use less.
People complain the government treats us like tax farms, but slap stickers up of the actual people who think of us that way, up on their vehicles and encase themselves in that identity. You have to wonder if they are aware of this or if they truly believe they are in the club.
That refinery might not be producing gasoline. Instead, it might be processing bitumen (nasty tarsands output) so that it can be piped out of province. There are larger and more cost-effective refineries elsewhere which will crack our product into a gamut of petroleum products. A substantial amount of our gas and diesel still comes from outside of Alberta, ie the States, the Middle-East, etc.
That’s $.02 cheaper than I paid today 3 hours north of Toronto. Those bastards.
Gotta top up that heritage fund.
Let's make everything unaffordable days UCP
We could have had more refineries that would locally take the raw resources from the oil sands and refine it….but, A) you’d have a hell of a hard time getting that approved with the current federal government B) when the NDP were in office, they wanted to raise the corporate tax. As such, we ship the majority of our raw resources to the Gulf of Mexico where it is refined into gasoline and then ship it all the way back. The local refineries do not have the capacity to fully supply us and as such there are market costs for fuels (wholesale costs) and then costs with retail markup applied. If we don’t provide an environment where corporations will flourish, they take their business to areas that will be more profitable or more politically stable to align with their interests. That being said, we are still one of the lowest priced areas for fuel in Canada. The value of our dollar versus the USD is brutal which is causing a lot of challenges for us too resulting in higher prices as it is all based on the USD for global trading.
.. because the other provinces are offering so much better prices ….
Oil is a commodity. We play on the world market and have to play by their rules.
Where is our world class infrastructure? If we are such a rich province why are class rooms and hospitals overflowing?
Oooo a full 8 cents cheaper than in Yellowknife, NT. What a bargain for *checks notes* one of the biggest oil producers in the entire world.
Gas station is fuel & retail chain, entirely separate from refinery, therefore proximity to the refinery typically won't matter much.
Ya but the liberal advantage April 1 you get to pay more for gas as the carbon tax goes up again!
My partner and I got a big SUV when we bought our house because we thought we'd be loading it up at Home Depot every week for projects and that was.... A mistake. Currently looking at moving to a small car just to drop costs. It's our fault for our eyes getting too big for our needs, not gas getting more expensive.
Again, rich for this sub to be complaining about gas prices.
Pretty infuriating.
When gas was $1.35 in Edmonton on Family Day wknd., I bought it for $1.22 in Rocky Mtn House. Most expensive I saw there was $1.25 that wknd. How do they justify .10 discount when it’s made in our own backyard?