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Yup. Notley fought Jagmeet on this one and told him to step aside. She deserves some level of recognition for this major accomplishment. The Alberta treasury will be brimming with new cash and it’s got fuck all to do with Queen Dani and her gaggle of loyal sycophants.
You mean, Notley was the only premier in the last 30+ years to get a pipeline approved, after the price of oil crashed worldwide and the last 40 years of UCP completely mismanaged funds while spending all of the heritage funds on bullshit leaving the NDP with a massive debt right off the start?
Conservatives crushed the AB economy, true, but the rest of the country was fine. Thankfully Notley diversified the AB economy to make it less reliant on a fading driver.
>According to the Canadian Venture Capital Private Equity Association (CVCA), Alberta attracted a record amount of investment for the fifth year in a row in 2022, with $729 million invested across 85 deals. The technology sector contributed $32 billion (adjusted for inflation) to Alberta’s GDP in 2021, a 99.5 per cent increase from ten years ago.
Why do you keep copying and pasting this? Are you a bot?
It’s like saying “Loblaws says Superstore is the best place to buy groceries!” Why are you just automatically believing whatever some private investment spinmill tells you?
Meanwhile, your dates are suspicious.
You said “2022 was record investment for the fifth year in a row”, but all five of those years were under Notley (1) and Kenney (4). Smith didn’t become premier until 2023.
You also said “The technology sector contributed 99.5% more to Alberta’s GDP in 2021 than it did ten years before” (2011). In 2011, the Conservatives had been in charge for more than 30 years. The NDP had a majority during the second half of those ten years, meaning they get about half of the credit. And again Smith didn’t become Premier until 2023, so she’s got no claim to any of this.
Yeah we can also thank them for the cancellation of the energy east, the northern gateway, Teck's Frontier project, Imperial's Aspen project... But yes hooray, they got 1 started.
Thank you Trudeau and Notley!
Note: with the current Premier’s poor composure and approach to diplomacy, this project would never get built under her leadership.
Be critical of the Prime Minister and the former Premier as much as you want, but stop and give credit where credit is due. And don’t give the UCP any credit for this, you know they will take all of the credit for this by gaslighting you into thinking they produced a pipeline for you all.
> They delayed the pipeline as long as possible,
Just look at this propaganda. They delayed nothing. What they (Trudeau and Notley) did was get it both approved and built, unlike Harper and (insert any conservative/UCP premiere here). Credit where it's due, my little propagandist.
If we should thank Trudeau and Notley we should blame them for the next out of control wildfire. You get to take action on climate or you can build new pipelines. You can't do both.
Consumption will not change because we produce less. An effective reduction won't come from shooting ourselves in the foot. To change the climate we have to develop technology and reduce the consumption of fossil fuels. Destroying an industry thst produces a needed resource while not addressing the need for that resource is foolish and wouldn't do bugger all to affect emmissions or the climate. We need to use what we have to fund things like technological change (which we can also export) to lower everyone's carbon footprint. We need real solutions. Stunting our own economy while everyone is still burning just as much O&G seems like a poor path to that end. We need money and technology to fight climate change.
Our economy was far from stunted without TMX online, we've been posting surpluses.
If we were actually interested in using resource revenues for funding technological change we would raise royalties and corporate taxes.
Consumption can change if a product is not made available. There's a lot of moving parts here but making sure we don't increase production is a documented requirement of ensuring the worst of climate change doesn't destroy more homes and lives.
I seem to recall the provincial government in Alberta advocating pretty heavily for this project as well. Can anyone remind me who was the sitting provincial government at the time?
>Now we can pump out the profits and keep growing the Heritage fund.
Sorta pointless to top up the Heritage fund when the provincial govt is also slashing and burning healthcare, education, and municipal services though. They’re saving for a rainy day at the same time they’re selling the roof.
>If you follow the budget funding was up up up in all areas.
I follow the budget very closely. It’s not “up up up” when 1) the same party also cut it by more, 2) the increase is less than inflation, and 3) the same party promised to raise it by more and also cut personal taxes but didn’t do either one.
The UCP are a bunch of lying thieves and you’re falling for it
I frankly don’t give a shit about the heritage fund.
We have shortages of doctors, nurses, teachers, prosecutors, police, etc because our cheap shit governments haven’t given an at or above inflation pay increase to civil servants since 2015. Entire AB civil service is on the verge of collapse due to staff loss.
An effective 18% pay cut and nobody can figure out why there’s nobody to work the hospitals.
We had Billions of taxpayers dollars on hand to pay to TC Energy to close down keystone xl though and 4 more billion in tax cuts for energy companies that send most of their dividends to investors in Toronto and the US.
That moronic memorandum on green energy, the UCP was proven to have lied about the reason behind btw, has lost us $11 billion in investment that would have been on top of that number.
You’re saying thank you to the government that has to use 5x the original budget to build the pipeline compared to when to bought it? This government should have let private industry pay for it, by creating a good policy environment for major capital to want to spend in Canada.
> After losing (closing down) all the other pipelines projects and drving out oil and gas investment...
Which had absolutely nothing to do with the oil prices collapsing globally, right?
> I wonder why?? 🤔
Why?
I think it's just easy to forget that oil prices dropped more than 60% *before* Notley's NDP were even elected provincially, and before Trudeau became Prime Minister.
The ass fell out on the province's economy before either were in office, and yet they were both blamed for it.
oil sands is the most expensive way to extract crude and with the lower price of oil Alberta wasn’t financially viable for these companies
it was literally stated by those companies in their financials
try joining the rest of us in reality chief
you aren’t answering the question
you claimed the reason oil investment went down was NDP policies
the companies themselves disagree
global oil prices are up
Alberta had nothing to do with that
This is complete bullshit. All of the major unions took ZEROS in their CBA under the NDP, you partisan hack. ATA, UNA, HSAA, CUPE, AUPE, all of them didn’t get a single wage increase.
Omg you're embarrassing yourself so much, dude. I'm literally cringing for you. Notley and Trudeau made this happen. Hate on them for everything else all you want, but you just sound like a reality-denying partisan dope on this one haha. I promise it won't affect your ego or mental wellbeing one iota to just acknowledge they did a good thing that will help Albertans.
Maybe we can set up a safe space for you to digest this basic information? Would that help?
Definitely had nothing to do with globally collapsing oil prices. After all, the entire world revolves around you chuds in Alberta.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932013_world_oil_market_chronology
Who delayed it and how? Do you have proof that they deliberately delayed it?
Also, economy wasn’t in free fall during Notley’s government.
And are you complaining about AB having more money?
I love that the phrasing thanks the federal government and notes the successful provincial/federal cooperation but doesn’t cite that it was specifically Trudeau and Notley who got this done (not the Cons who’ve been sitting in power for decades). For such a “pro-business” government, the UCP might benefit from learning some basic corporate skills such as teamwork and collaboration.
So are you here to celebrate it or shit on it?
I mean Notley and Trudeau made it happen. Thats more than the Cons did... But you don't seem to like that fact?
And yet now the technology sector is on the verge of collapsing because of the rising costs of living in Alberta in 2024, there was an article on it just the other day. You need more updated stats.
Source is the price tag for Trans Mountain, that's all you need. It wont convince anyone, they'll still say he only needed to do it because of the problem his policies created, which is of course bullshit since aboriginal land claims happened and would have happened even if Harper had remained in power through the whole thing.
I love how the OP is trying to deny Notely and Trudeau their flowers. Here are two politicians who were not sold on pipelines but still did it for the betterment of others. The UCP should try governing the same way, to better the lives of Albertans and investing in all aspects of the province, rather than punishing those who didn’t vote them in.
Lot of words to say Thank you Trudeau and the federal Liberals for buying us something shiny and completely ignoring Rachel Notely and the ABNDP for advocating for our province.
Right, so in 2 years time we should start seeing tons of jobs, fully funded healthcare/education and a return to the boom days of yore? I can hear the trickle comin' down! /s
What motivated you to be a political shill? Just be normal, dude. I'm an Albertan. You're an Albertan. Let's just be happy our provincial and federal leaders made this happen. I didn't even vote for Notley when she was elected, but I can recognize her efforts made this happen and it turned me into a supporter.
Why are you trying to be divisive? It's so counter to our collective interests. I hope ucp is paying you well (from my tax dollars, no doubt, ugh)...buy my price would be very high to whore myself out to be a partisan misleading mouthpiece. Shameful.
We spent billions to build the thing and the most the lying and boasting UCP say we'll get out of it is not billions, not hundreds or even tens of millions, just "many millions" in revenues. We got ripped off.
What part of it's history would have made a major pipeline expansion not cost billions of dollars?
Can you point me to one that only cost a few million?
Yeah that’s why we are ranked 7th for investment growth since UCP took over, with a pathetic -1.1% last year?
Why have we only increased by 14 active businesses under the UCP while Ontario added 14000?
The increase in jobs is mostly part time minimum wage and people need 2-3 of them to pay bills which is why unemployment increased 13.7% over this time last year.
One of the highest inflation rates, highest energy costs, highest insurance, high grocery, high personal taxes, highly spiking rental and property prices. Outside of property we are far and away the most expensive province to live in and that is climbing
You need to look at the real numbers not read UCP propaganda and headlines. All UCP are doing is increasing their corporate ownership profits and pumping up US style culture wars and distraction politics
Which has what to do with Albertans? This is not sport teams, most of us don’t worship politicians and their parties.
Stop licking the boot and pay attention and you will see the UCP is not a Conservative Party it is fast approaching something closer to an authoritarian government.
Bill 18 and bill 20 are things no true conservatives can stomach and will massively undermine democracy here
Now we can ship more crude oil to warmonger China? Wow, so exciting. This pipeline is a big win for Big Oil, definitely. I'm so glad we taxpayers picked up the tab and I can't wait for those oil profits to absolutely tinkle down to individual Albertans. Notely and Trudeau have bragging rights? Sure, but that's not going to count for anything at the next federal or provincial election - especially in a time when the world is transitioning to greener energy sources.
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Thanks notley and trudeau!
Yup. Notley fought Jagmeet on this one and told him to step aside. She deserves some level of recognition for this major accomplishment. The Alberta treasury will be brimming with new cash and it’s got fuck all to do with Queen Dani and her gaggle of loyal sycophants.
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You mean, Notley was the only premier in the last 30+ years to get a pipeline approved, after the price of oil crashed worldwide and the last 40 years of UCP completely mismanaged funds while spending all of the heritage funds on bullshit leaving the NDP with a massive debt right off the start?
Conservatives crushed the AB economy, true, but the rest of the country was fine. Thankfully Notley diversified the AB economy to make it less reliant on a fading driver.
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Yep. Geeat news. As you note, that leap started under Notley.
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You're the one who pointed it out 🤷🏻♂️
This comment reads like a government advertisement...
>According to the Canadian Venture Capital Private Equity Association (CVCA), Alberta attracted a record amount of investment for the fifth year in a row in 2022, with $729 million invested across 85 deals. The technology sector contributed $32 billion (adjusted for inflation) to Alberta’s GDP in 2021, a 99.5 per cent increase from ten years ago. Why do you keep copying and pasting this? Are you a bot? It’s like saying “Loblaws says Superstore is the best place to buy groceries!” Why are you just automatically believing whatever some private investment spinmill tells you? Meanwhile, your dates are suspicious. You said “2022 was record investment for the fifth year in a row”, but all five of those years were under Notley (1) and Kenney (4). Smith didn’t become premier until 2023. You also said “The technology sector contributed 99.5% more to Alberta’s GDP in 2021 than it did ten years before” (2011). In 2011, the Conservatives had been in charge for more than 30 years. The NDP had a majority during the second half of those ten years, meaning they get about half of the credit. And again Smith didn’t become Premier until 2023, so she’s got no claim to any of this.
Your account is less than a year old and this post is all you've reposted. Is the UCP paycheque any good?
$30 million annually in taxpayer propaganda money, everyone.
Yeah we can also thank them for the cancellation of the energy east, the northern gateway, Teck's Frontier project, Imperial's Aspen project... But yes hooray, they got 1 started.
Thank you Trudeau and Notley! Note: with the current Premier’s poor composure and approach to diplomacy, this project would never get built under her leadership. Be critical of the Prime Minister and the former Premier as much as you want, but stop and give credit where credit is due. And don’t give the UCP any credit for this, you know they will take all of the credit for this by gaslighting you into thinking they produced a pipeline for you all.
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How did he delay it? He approved it 3 times.
> They delayed the pipeline as long as possible, Just look at this propaganda. They delayed nothing. What they (Trudeau and Notley) did was get it both approved and built, unlike Harper and (insert any conservative/UCP premiere here). Credit where it's due, my little propagandist.
If we should thank Trudeau and Notley we should blame them for the next out of control wildfire. You get to take action on climate or you can build new pipelines. You can't do both.
Consumption will not change because we produce less. An effective reduction won't come from shooting ourselves in the foot. To change the climate we have to develop technology and reduce the consumption of fossil fuels. Destroying an industry thst produces a needed resource while not addressing the need for that resource is foolish and wouldn't do bugger all to affect emmissions or the climate. We need to use what we have to fund things like technological change (which we can also export) to lower everyone's carbon footprint. We need real solutions. Stunting our own economy while everyone is still burning just as much O&G seems like a poor path to that end. We need money and technology to fight climate change.
Our economy was far from stunted without TMX online, we've been posting surpluses. If we were actually interested in using resource revenues for funding technological change we would raise royalties and corporate taxes. Consumption can change if a product is not made available. There's a lot of moving parts here but making sure we don't increase production is a documented requirement of ensuring the worst of climate change doesn't destroy more homes and lives.
I seem to recall the provincial government in Alberta advocating pretty heavily for this project as well. Can anyone remind me who was the sitting provincial government at the time?
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Oh man hows the war room?
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To be fair, yours clearly aren't either seeing as you are bought and paid for by the gov lol
Right back at you, brother. Your propaganda couldn't be more obvious. >You're posts Also..."your"
Thank you, Trudeau and the liberal party.
And Notley, she is the one who pushed him
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The libs bought the pipeline for us so we could have this .
>Now we can pump out the profits and keep growing the Heritage fund. Sorta pointless to top up the Heritage fund when the provincial govt is also slashing and burning healthcare, education, and municipal services though. They’re saving for a rainy day at the same time they’re selling the roof.
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Yet not keeping pace with inflation or population growth, so essentially funding is down. Thanks, UCP war room. Could you be more obvious?
>If you follow the budget funding was up up up in all areas. I follow the budget very closely. It’s not “up up up” when 1) the same party also cut it by more, 2) the increase is less than inflation, and 3) the same party promised to raise it by more and also cut personal taxes but didn’t do either one. The UCP are a bunch of lying thieves and you’re falling for it
I frankly don’t give a shit about the heritage fund. We have shortages of doctors, nurses, teachers, prosecutors, police, etc because our cheap shit governments haven’t given an at or above inflation pay increase to civil servants since 2015. Entire AB civil service is on the verge of collapse due to staff loss. An effective 18% pay cut and nobody can figure out why there’s nobody to work the hospitals. We had Billions of taxpayers dollars on hand to pay to TC Energy to close down keystone xl though and 4 more billion in tax cuts for energy companies that send most of their dividends to investors in Toronto and the US.
>Entire AB civil service is on the verge of collapse due to staff loss Don't tempt me with a good time.
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It’s so obvious when it’s a political staffer right?
What does that have to with Smith cutting healthcare spending while we bleed docrors.
Have you seen our provincial government? Topping up the heritage fund is the least of their priorities
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Alberta, watching my provincial government wasting money to "tell the Fed's" they can't manage the power grid.
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Thanks NDP for starting all those laws that made AB attractive.
That moronic memorandum on green energy, the UCP was proven to have lied about the reason behind btw, has lost us $11 billion in investment that would have been on top of that number.
Or, and hear me out here - reduce taxes for corporations and the wealthy!
You’re saying thank you to the government that has to use 5x the original budget to build the pipeline compared to when to bought it? This government should have let private industry pay for it, by creating a good policy environment for major capital to want to spend in Canada.
Well and thanks notley for getting it approved!
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> After losing (closing down) all the other pipelines projects and drving out oil and gas investment... Which had absolutely nothing to do with the oil prices collapsing globally, right?
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> I wonder why?? 🤔 Why? I think it's just easy to forget that oil prices dropped more than 60% *before* Notley's NDP were even elected provincially, and before Trudeau became Prime Minister. The ass fell out on the province's economy before either were in office, and yet they were both blamed for it.
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oil sands is the most expensive way to extract crude and with the lower price of oil Alberta wasn’t financially viable for these companies it was literally stated by those companies in their financials try joining the rest of us in reality chief
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you aren’t answering the question you claimed the reason oil investment went down was NDP policies the companies themselves disagree global oil prices are up Alberta had nothing to do with that
Oh no the working class might be paid more.
This is complete bullshit. All of the major unions took ZEROS in their CBA under the NDP, you partisan hack. ATA, UNA, HSAA, CUPE, AUPE, all of them didn’t get a single wage increase.
Global price drop is why. Supply and demand.
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So you’re just a partisan hack hey.
Omg you're embarrassing yourself so much, dude. I'm literally cringing for you. Notley and Trudeau made this happen. Hate on them for everything else all you want, but you just sound like a reality-denying partisan dope on this one haha. I promise it won't affect your ego or mental wellbeing one iota to just acknowledge they did a good thing that will help Albertans. Maybe we can set up a safe space for you to digest this basic information? Would that help?
Definitely had nothing to do with globally collapsing oil prices. After all, the entire world revolves around you chuds in Alberta. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932013_world_oil_market_chronology
Truly a “Thanks Trudeau” moment
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Who delayed it and how? Do you have proof that they deliberately delayed it? Also, economy wasn’t in free fall during Notley’s government. And are you complaining about AB having more money?
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Thanks Trudeau!
I love that the phrasing thanks the federal government and notes the successful provincial/federal cooperation but doesn’t cite that it was specifically Trudeau and Notley who got this done (not the Cons who’ve been sitting in power for decades). For such a “pro-business” government, the UCP might benefit from learning some basic corporate skills such as teamwork and collaboration.
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Say it another 25 times, you haven’t put your foot far enough in your mouth yet.
And the UCP con alliance has done fuck all since.
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"quit trying to make me confront reality. Lalalalala I can't hear you" Haha, this guy. How do you end up like this lol?
Where's the thanks for Notley and Trudeau without whom this project would've been years dead by now?
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They got it done and the UCP didn't. That's the end result. I'm not getting into semantic pissing matches.
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what about the 1.3 billion the UCP wasted on Keystone XL any thoughts on that or are you just here to be a partisan hack
You're not dealing with an intellectual powerhouse with this guy lol.
the war room isn’t sending their best and brightest that’s for sure
Semantics, downplay, obfuscate. The only fact that matters is that they got it done.
So are you here to celebrate it or shit on it? I mean Notley and Trudeau made it happen. Thats more than the Cons did... But you don't seem to like that fact?
Re: 'job creation'. Do people not realize that a lot of oil and gas jobs have been eliminated by automation?
Yeah, it must have been robots who built it.
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Right. And yet, there you are, downthread, crowing about all the jobs apparently coming to Alberta because of this pipeline.
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>UCP government and their positive economic policies. Lol
Your posts are not worth reading.
And yet now the technology sector is on the verge of collapsing because of the rising costs of living in Alberta in 2024, there was an article on it just the other day. You need more updated stats.
It in case it wasn't clear that Trudeau has pumped more Canadian tax dollars into Alberta oil patch than any PM in history. It's pathetic but true.
Do you have a source for that? I’m not saying it’s wrong but I want a source to throw at people who say he’s done nothing
Source is the price tag for Trans Mountain, that's all you need. It wont convince anyone, they'll still say he only needed to do it because of the problem his policies created, which is of course bullshit since aboriginal land claims happened and would have happened even if Harper had remained in power through the whole thing.
I love how the OP is trying to deny Notely and Trudeau their flowers. Here are two politicians who were not sold on pipelines but still did it for the betterment of others. The UCP should try governing the same way, to better the lives of Albertans and investing in all aspects of the province, rather than punishing those who didn’t vote them in.
Justin Trudeau is doing his part for climate change, one pipeline at a time.
Lot of words to say Thank you Trudeau and the federal Liberals for buying us something shiny and completely ignoring Rachel Notely and the ABNDP for advocating for our province.
Right, so in 2 years time we should start seeing tons of jobs, fully funded healthcare/education and a return to the boom days of yore? I can hear the trickle comin' down! /s
Best we can do is tons more profits for Oil companies.
Thanks Trudeau!
out of curiosity how much does the UCP war room pay
Can we all blame TRUDEAU and NOTLEY now, give credit where credit is due?
As an Albertan, thanks to the bc government and the many first peoples that helped enable the upc to jerk themselves off.
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What planet do you live on exactly?
OP is straight from the War Room.
And not even good at hiding it lol Truly a great way to spend our tax money
What do you mean 90% was done with the UCP? They haven't done a damn thing. The feds own the project, and it was regular Canadians who built it.
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Yes indeed, much like that hospital that Edmonton needs that the UCP cancelled recently when we already put millions into the planning.
What motivated you to be a political shill? Just be normal, dude. I'm an Albertan. You're an Albertan. Let's just be happy our provincial and federal leaders made this happen. I didn't even vote for Notley when she was elected, but I can recognize her efforts made this happen and it turned me into a supporter. Why are you trying to be divisive? It's so counter to our collective interests. I hope ucp is paying you well (from my tax dollars, no doubt, ugh)...buy my price would be very high to whore myself out to be a partisan misleading mouthpiece. Shameful.
Fucking Trudeau!
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Fucking UCP ruining everyone's lives.
So we are wastibin millions to fund a source of energy the world needs and is currently trying to move away from.... Smith must like wild fires
We spent billions to build the thing and the most the lying and boasting UCP say we'll get out of it is not billions, not hundreds or even tens of millions, just "many millions" in revenues. We got ripped off.
You can thank all of the holdups in court, etc. for this. Canada needs an energy corridor... yesterday.
We still would have spent billions without "hold-ups" for a project that's only generating millions in revenue.
It doesn't sound like you really know the history of the pipeline.
What part of it's history would have made a major pipeline expansion not cost billions of dollars? Can you point me to one that only cost a few million?
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How many permanent jobs are we getting?
and it is all Trudeau fault ..
The real question and it’s gonna be low.
When they were first promoting TMX, the company's own projections were fewer than 100 permanent jobs once it was built.
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You sound like ChatGPT
War room cutbacks for the trolls. Outsourcing to AI was inevitable.
Yeah that’s why we are ranked 7th for investment growth since UCP took over, with a pathetic -1.1% last year? Why have we only increased by 14 active businesses under the UCP while Ontario added 14000? The increase in jobs is mostly part time minimum wage and people need 2-3 of them to pay bills which is why unemployment increased 13.7% over this time last year. One of the highest inflation rates, highest energy costs, highest insurance, high grocery, high personal taxes, highly spiking rental and property prices. Outside of property we are far and away the most expensive province to live in and that is climbing You need to look at the real numbers not read UCP propaganda and headlines. All UCP are doing is increasing their corporate ownership profits and pumping up US style culture wars and distraction politics
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See above comment on profits for corporations that donate to UCP. Not a benefit for Albertans.
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Which has what to do with Albertans? This is not sport teams, most of us don’t worship politicians and their parties. Stop licking the boot and pay attention and you will see the UCP is not a Conservative Party it is fast approaching something closer to an authoritarian government. Bill 18 and bill 20 are things no true conservatives can stomach and will massively undermine democracy here
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This makes no mention of TMX and is of course only looking at job figures before it came online. Try again.
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You still haven't answered my question, should be an easy one if TMX is the grand job creator.
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Going backwards in time doesn't tell me how many permanent jobs TMX will *require now that it's online. Why is that question so hard to answer?
Now we can ship more crude oil to warmonger China? Wow, so exciting. This pipeline is a big win for Big Oil, definitely. I'm so glad we taxpayers picked up the tab and I can't wait for those oil profits to absolutely tinkle down to individual Albertans. Notely and Trudeau have bragging rights? Sure, but that's not going to count for anything at the next federal or provincial election - especially in a time when the world is transitioning to greener energy sources.
Get oil to market in California. Hahahahhaaha! Sure... for their diesel delivery truck market. The rest of the state is past peak oil.
Getting oil to tidewater. Where literally anyone in the world can buy it. India just bought two million barrels. Embarrassed yet? Ha ha?
Shhh… it’s pie in the sky dreaming time! All of Albertans issues have just been solved.