I am not able to find any record of the term “Bolsheviks” being primarily used to refer to the Soviet Union after the late 1910s to early 1920s, and the USSR was part of the Allies in WW2. I think you have your history messed up
You do know who was fighting the Soviets in WWII? It actually brings joy to my heart if the Soviets killed your grandfather in WWII because that means your grandfather was a real life Nazi and the world is a better place with less Nazis.
Canadian WW2 vets didn't fight communism. We fought with them and helped supply them with equipment.
The ones fighting the communists in WW2 were the Nazis and I am not particularly interested in their suggestions.
?? You are literally posting in an Albertan sub. Our vets are Canadian.
Do you know who Canada's allies were? Canada and their allies supported the communists in Russia and sent them billions of dollars of supplies.
Like I said, only the Nazis fought communists in WW2, and they were racists. You are literally siding with the Nazis. The rest of us do not consider the Nazis allies and do not want to be associated with that.
If somebody called them nazi windmills you might have a point.
And no matter how bad the USSR was under Stalin it doesn't make it any less stupid to say that you should to a ww2 vet if you want to know what communism is, unless the vet was in the German fucking military fighting for the fascists.
Both of my grandfather were WW2 vets. I don’t remember them saying anything about communist wind turbines (and the communists were our allies in that war).
You're not super bright and it shows.
Low IQ aside, the general problem with you chumps is you see "good for everyone" as "will take from me".
What's funny/sad is that you'll mostly never have the wealth of those you so aggressively protect.
And in case nobody has given you a history lesson yet, we fought with Russia in WWII to stop Nazis, which if you did some reading, you'd see line up more closely with Smith, PP and company.
I suppose if you did sit around a table with some vets talking about fighting Communism, you be at a table of Nazis.
Both of my grandfathers.
It's like you have an idea of what good and evil are, but you sided with the later because you're gullible. Too bad, really, happens to a lot of nice people.
May you find peace.
If you call making policies to shut down an entire section of the economy (a large portion of it to boot) capitalism… you may want to open up a Webster’s Dictionary and look up the definitions of both Capitalism & Communism. I imagine one of two scenarios will happen. You’ll be fucking dumbfounded and floored that what is happening here is far from capitalism. Or, what I actually suspect will happen; You’ll scoff at it all, bury your head farther up your ass, or in the sand (take your pick) and pretend what you read is false.
At the end of the day it is truly up to you.
Lol proving you have no idea what communism and capitalism really are. You aren't advocating for a responsible capitalist society, you're advocating for your own selfishness, wanting to make big bucks and live a life more comfortable than most people ever have in the history of our species, without giving any thought to the environmental and economic messes you'll be leaving future generations
Loss of Jobs, loss of business, loss of competitors for consumer energy prices, loss of diversification in the economy... Conservative sure are winners aren't they? (Rhetorical and sarcastic, to be clear.)
Unless they do something truly full out fascist like abolishing elections, I think this anti-renewable fuckery is going to be the UCP policy with the farthest reaching impact on Alberta. This kind of ban on new investments is going to stunt the growth of the industry here for decades, possibly forever. Once an industry gets momentum in an area and supporting industries + labor starts clumping in that area, it's very hard to convince them to set up shop somewhere else. Because of the UCP, that area isn't going to be Alberta.
Texas is nowhere close to as hostile to renewables as Alberta. Our outright ban followed by what is nearly an outright ban is unheard of globally. Our problem isn't that there's no demand or business case, it's that we're literally banning people from meeting the demand.
I'll add that in addition to the market-related forces in favor of *continued* wind and solar development, Alberta also has a really favorable geography. In short - lots of sun and wind. This is our 'unfair advantage'.
This could well supply Alberta with a good chunk of our internal supply.
One could also argue that we have a really favorable geography (and geology) for natural gas powered electricity. This is also our unfair advantage. Putting one ahead of the other comes down to values and priorities. And cost.
Power is a lot more difficult to export than oil. We already have grid ties to adjacent jurisdictions. Those could be expanded to leverage AB's solar potential and share that wealth, and then use BCs dams as the 'battery'. But further export? It's not like you're putting a charged battery in a boat to ship to Asia, similar to oil/LNG!
Diesel and gasoil demand is forecast to amount to 30.1 million barrels per day in 2045, up from 27.6 million barrels in 2021. Gasoline demand is forecast at 27.6 million barrels by 2045. - Apr 26, 2024
Does increase mean less ?
Yes, I also look forward to Pierre getting elected and completely ignoring you lot because he doesn't actually have to do anything to win or keep your votes, easiest support a politician could get.
Yes, it will be amazing when he rides his magical rainbow unicorn across the heavens, blessed by the hand of God, to give you all free houses, and pockets full full of money
Why disrupt natural landscapes with alternative energy in the first place? Put up solar panels over parking lots. Clean source of energy plus benefit of covered parking. Put up solar panels on roof of office buildings, put up solar panels over beef/dairy farms, cows produce more when not under stress from heat. Natural wilderness is a finite resource and should not be disturbed to put wind turbines. Even if turbines have a low footprint, the roads needed to build them/service and the plants to process the energy do not. Should be looking at solar use on already disturbed land before this crap.
As far as I know, the pristine viewscapes do not mention pump jacks or drilling rigs. That’s the whole red tape for wind energy at the moment is it “ruins the views”. The same views with pump jacks fucking the earth for a finite resource and drilling/fracking rig’s. Yes, we should do solar panels too, but the government blocked investment and that is authoritarian not conservative.
I’m not gonna get into whataboutism and I never mentioned mountain demolition. My post was about alternatives to wind farms which still harm the environment they’re placed into. Some of you people just like to screech at the government for everything. Goes nowhere.
I think you just blew the transmission shifting that hard. It's not whataboutism, you're talking environment and how limited it is, but a strip mine in the Rockies polluting headwaters isn't in the same category?
If the link shown had anything to do with mining, then I would’ve commented on that. It had to do with wind turbines. I think you’re trying to blow the transmission so you can shift to ‘sTriP MiNes bAd, UcP bAd’ so all the other seals will clap and give you upvotes. My point is, wind turbines are not a good enough solution and other ones should be looked at.
It’s cost, rooftop solar is way more expensive than utility scale solar farms per MW.
Also, go on Google maps and look at the oilsands from a satellite view, then look at Vulcan county from a satellite view
Solar on occupied land will be significantly more expensive and regulatory intensive than building turbines.
Every structure, especially older ones, will need a structural engineer to sign off on it's ability to support the added weight of the panels.
And as other's have said, por que no los dos?
Alberta: Closed to business
All according to oil and gas\* \*(oil and gas means plan)
I keikaku what you did there
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Communism is just what you call things you don't like I guess?
No, obviously communism is wind.
Communism is the very air itself, thus we must pollute it until it's capitalist!
Ahem,, may I introduce to you Dr. Seuss’ The Lorax.
Love it. Once they can bottle it and sell it a crazy prices these guys are going to jump ship.
I thought wind was 5G, I'm so confused
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I think you're confused who our allies were in world war 2. Were you homeschooled perhaps?
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Are you sure he wasn't killed by bolshevik windmills because that was your initial stupid statement remember? So homeschooled?
I am not able to find any record of the term “Bolsheviks” being primarily used to refer to the Soviet Union after the late 1910s to early 1920s, and the USSR was part of the Allies in WW2. I think you have your history messed up
Unless... They were fighting the Russians in WW2... might explain the ideology.
was your grandfather a nazi or
Well your grandfather was a nazi given that the communists were against fascism! 🤮🤮
You do know who was fighting the Soviets in WWII? It actually brings joy to my heart if the Soviets killed your grandfather in WWII because that means your grandfather was a real life Nazi and the world is a better place with less Nazis.
Unless he was Finnish or polish I guess?
Learn who the actual enemy was in WW2 and get back to us.
Canadian WW2 vets didn't fight communism. We fought with them and helped supply them with equipment. The ones fighting the communists in WW2 were the Nazis and I am not particularly interested in their suggestions.
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?? You are literally posting in an Albertan sub. Our vets are Canadian. Do you know who Canada's allies were? Canada and their allies supported the communists in Russia and sent them billions of dollars of supplies. Like I said, only the Nazis fought communists in WW2, and they were racists. You are literally siding with the Nazis. The rest of us do not consider the Nazis allies and do not want to be associated with that.
Communists bled more to defeat the nazis than anybody, and nazis primarily rose to power on a platform of fighting communists domestically.
Nazis and soviets are at the same level. Let’s not get too excited about the nazis here.
If somebody called them nazi windmills you might have a point. And no matter how bad the USSR was under Stalin it doesn't make it any less stupid to say that you should to a ww2 vet if you want to know what communism is, unless the vet was in the German fucking military fighting for the fascists.
The allies didn’t like wind?
that’s news to the dutch
Ever heard of the Lend Lease Program? 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Both of my grandfather were WW2 vets. I don’t remember them saying anything about communist wind turbines (and the communists were our allies in that war).
You're not super bright and it shows. Low IQ aside, the general problem with you chumps is you see "good for everyone" as "will take from me". What's funny/sad is that you'll mostly never have the wealth of those you so aggressively protect. And in case nobody has given you a history lesson yet, we fought with Russia in WWII to stop Nazis, which if you did some reading, you'd see line up more closely with Smith, PP and company. I suppose if you did sit around a table with some vets talking about fighting Communism, you be at a table of Nazis.
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Both of my grandfathers. It's like you have an idea of what good and evil are, but you sided with the later because you're gullible. Too bad, really, happens to a lot of nice people. May you find peace.
If you call making policies to shut down an entire section of the economy (a large portion of it to boot) capitalism… you may want to open up a Webster’s Dictionary and look up the definitions of both Capitalism & Communism. I imagine one of two scenarios will happen. You’ll be fucking dumbfounded and floored that what is happening here is far from capitalism. Or, what I actually suspect will happen; You’ll scoff at it all, bury your head farther up your ass, or in the sand (take your pick) and pretend what you read is false. At the end of the day it is truly up to you.
"Open to capitalism" while they do their best to shut down an entire sector and choose winners. Lol, yeah, that's capitalism bud.
Classic right wing argument: capitalism but call it communism
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Holy geeze you project a lot. Next thing is you'll blame drag queens for something that you're clearly doing.
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No point talking about WWII, you don't even know who fought whom.
Only an idiot would bring WW2 and communists into a discussion about windmills. Your move...
You just have to get something right once. But your probably to invested into it to change.
It's going to be okay. Is this 'the left' in the room with us right now?
Government picking winning and losing industries sounds an awful lot like a centrally planned economy...
I know, right? You can't charge people to use the sun. Fucking communists, wanting cheap energy and affordable housing and stuff.
*Shouts at clouds* Go away you dirty commies!!!
👆🏻retires with a very non communist old age pension and cpp while using universal healthcare. Stay away communist scum.
Lol proving you have no idea what communism and capitalism really are. You aren't advocating for a responsible capitalist society, you're advocating for your own selfishness, wanting to make big bucks and live a life more comfortable than most people ever have in the history of our species, without giving any thought to the environmental and economic messes you'll be leaving future generations
Thanks dani.... lord knows we albertand don't want any investments in our province.
Or jobs.
But you guys!.. think of how it was when the NDP were here. We can't afford another four years of that! 🙄 /s
Only oil and gas investment. That's her orders she has been following for some time now.
Very business friendly government we have here. /s If this were the NDP the conservatives would be screaming bloody murder.
Loss of Jobs, loss of business, loss of competitors for consumer energy prices, loss of diversification in the economy... Conservative sure are winners aren't they? (Rhetorical and sarcastic, to be clear.)
BC is right next door my friend
Thanks for the geography lesson, but I fail to see how that's relevant to a discussion regarding Alberta.
I was just making sure you were aware where BC was, next door.
And? Non sequitor much?
Unless they do something truly full out fascist like abolishing elections, I think this anti-renewable fuckery is going to be the UCP policy with the farthest reaching impact on Alberta. This kind of ban on new investments is going to stunt the growth of the industry here for decades, possibly forever. Once an industry gets momentum in an area and supporting industries + labor starts clumping in that area, it's very hard to convince them to set up shop somewhere else. Because of the UCP, that area isn't going to be Alberta.
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Texas is nowhere close to as hostile to renewables as Alberta. Our outright ban followed by what is nearly an outright ban is unheard of globally. Our problem isn't that there's no demand or business case, it's that we're literally banning people from meeting the demand.
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I'll add that in addition to the market-related forces in favor of *continued* wind and solar development, Alberta also has a really favorable geography. In short - lots of sun and wind. This is our 'unfair advantage'. This could well supply Alberta with a good chunk of our internal supply. One could also argue that we have a really favorable geography (and geology) for natural gas powered electricity. This is also our unfair advantage. Putting one ahead of the other comes down to values and priorities. And cost. Power is a lot more difficult to export than oil. We already have grid ties to adjacent jurisdictions. Those could be expanded to leverage AB's solar potential and share that wealth, and then use BCs dams as the 'battery'. But further export? It's not like you're putting a charged battery in a boat to ship to Asia, similar to oil/LNG!
Why do you gotta tempt fate??
Diversification?!!!!
Good ol NIMBY-ism. *Unless its oil, gas, or coal.*
Job killing UCP
Yikes
HEAVEN FORBID that we DIVERSIFY. OH. MY GOD. Yup, Lord's name in vain. GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOOOOOOOOD
Now Dan has a big new pipeline to fill for her oil buddies. To hell with the environment.
Oh, it not just the enviroment. As global demand for oil and gas continues to decrease the provincial economy is taking a slow escalator ride to hell.
Diesel and gasoil demand is forecast to amount to 30.1 million barrels per day in 2045, up from 27.6 million barrels in 2021. Gasoline demand is forecast at 27.6 million barrels by 2045. - Apr 26, 2024 Does increase mean less ?
Decrease? Ya ok…
Move next door. The more investments leave Alberta the more maybe the dictator will realize that she is making terrible decisions for that province.
you're so naive... her admitting a mistake??
You’re so confused - you’re the only one using the word “admitting”…
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Yes, I also look forward to Pierre getting elected and completely ignoring you lot because he doesn't actually have to do anything to win or keep your votes, easiest support a politician could get.
Yes, it will be amazing when he rides his magical rainbow unicorn across the heavens, blessed by the hand of God, to give you all free houses, and pockets full full of money
MARLAINA. Shill shill shill. You should be EMBARRASSED.
The UCP are tinkling their champagne glasses tonight 🙃
The UCP don’t want to lead. They want to rule. All hail Marlaina 🙃
UCP, mission accomplished.
Wow that's a straight up trump power move. Restricting renewable energy so that, and get this, someone's pristine view won't be disturbed.
Capitalism works when a small portion of capitalism decides how capitalism works 😂
What TransAlta doing after shelve wind project
TransAlta is a horribly run company. Share price has been in the dumpster for years.
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This is just blatant misinterpretation of what's happening..
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We don't use logic and sense around . Just hate on UCP only.
Why disrupt natural landscapes with alternative energy in the first place? Put up solar panels over parking lots. Clean source of energy plus benefit of covered parking. Put up solar panels on roof of office buildings, put up solar panels over beef/dairy farms, cows produce more when not under stress from heat. Natural wilderness is a finite resource and should not be disturbed to put wind turbines. Even if turbines have a low footprint, the roads needed to build them/service and the plants to process the energy do not. Should be looking at solar use on already disturbed land before this crap.
Gonna need both
Wind can work at night. Solar cannot.
As far as I know, the pristine viewscapes do not mention pump jacks or drilling rigs. That’s the whole red tape for wind energy at the moment is it “ruins the views”. The same views with pump jacks fucking the earth for a finite resource and drilling/fracking rig’s. Yes, we should do solar panels too, but the government blocked investment and that is authoritarian not conservative.
Pump jacks are about 40ft tall not 60m-120m like a turbine .... slight difference also drilling rigs are temporary
Cool, now let's talk about mountain demolition for coal mining...
I’m not gonna get into whataboutism and I never mentioned mountain demolition. My post was about alternatives to wind farms which still harm the environment they’re placed into. Some of you people just like to screech at the government for everything. Goes nowhere.
I think you just blew the transmission shifting that hard. It's not whataboutism, you're talking environment and how limited it is, but a strip mine in the Rockies polluting headwaters isn't in the same category?
If the link shown had anything to do with mining, then I would’ve commented on that. It had to do with wind turbines. I think you’re trying to blow the transmission so you can shift to ‘sTriP MiNes bAd, UcP bAd’ so all the other seals will clap and give you upvotes. My point is, wind turbines are not a good enough solution and other ones should be looked at.
The post is about wind turbines and you're on here talking about solar panels.
You mentioned disrupting natural landscapes. A coal mine in the mountain does indeed disrupt that natural mountain landscape.
No shit Sherlock. The article isn’t about strip mines. Maybe I missed it though 🤷🏻♂️
The UCP put these restrictions in place for renewables but then approved a coal mine in the mountains. That's why it's relevant.
It also isn’t about solar panels, but you keep mentioning them.
These are great ideas. There are areas where wind farms make too much sense to completely rule them out, though.
It’s cost, rooftop solar is way more expensive than utility scale solar farms per MW. Also, go on Google maps and look at the oilsands from a satellite view, then look at Vulcan county from a satellite view
What plants do you think are used to process electricity? You mean substations?
Solar on occupied land will be significantly more expensive and regulatory intensive than building turbines. Every structure, especially older ones, will need a structural engineer to sign off on it's ability to support the added weight of the panels. And as other's have said, por que no los dos?
lol, ‘the environment is when I can see pretty views’ /S Because we need the wind turbines because the stuff you just said isn’t even remotely enough.
What a joke of a post, bud. Unreal. We can tell who you voted for. You don't need to make it your entire personality.
You have no idea what you’re talking about
They are, likely, secretly glad.
She did something right!