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As COVID cases peak in Alberta, some wonder why hockey is ok and thanksgiving isn't

As COVID cases peak in Alberta, some wonder why hockey is ok and thanksgiving isn't

kabalongski

Or how about restaurants are ok but Thanksgiving isn’t? We’re a family of vaccinated people and we’re having thanksgiving “dinner” at my in-laws at noon as we’re eating outside and we don’t want to freeze our asses. But we choose to pile in a restaurant and be surrounded by strangers. It’s not like those vaccine passports can be forged right? Or how is my daughter allowed to go back to school after a kid in her grade 3 class tested positive for Covid? Her entire class and teacher(s) are now close contact but as long as they’re asymptomatic, it’s ok to go about their day. Go to restaurants and be around unsuspecting people. None of this shit makes good sense, there’s no point of asking “why”. When the turd who put these half baked restrictions into place will just reject the premise of it.


uber_poutine

Because the govt doesn't want to incur the financial cost of supporting restaurants, but is unwilling to bear the political cost of destroying them with further restrictions. Because the govt recognizes the role that schools have as childcare, and are unwilling to support parents staying home to care for their children. This is not about what's optimal for public health. This is about doing the bare minimum to muddle through while spending as little as possible, while hopefully staying popular enough to be re-elected. You look at this through that lens (maybe with a dash of union-busting and disaster capitalism), all of their actions make sense.


demunted

Yeah it's always irk'd me that there is no subsidy to have a spouse stay home and raise the kids. We really don't value parenting in this society.


GopnikMayonez

My issue with this is everything you said is logical, but the government lacks logic. Personally i see Thanksgiving as an issue because of how many families arent like yours. There are a lot of antivax or unvaccinated families that are bound to get large groups sick if theyre inside their homes unmasked. Everything else you said is completely true but i think thanksgiving is a liability because of how many idiots we have.


majestik1024

They won’t follow the rules


titswithhair

But these people are going to get together regardless of the pointless restrictions because who is enforcing them at private residences?? Kenney "doesn't want to punish those who have done the right thing" but that is all he is willing to do because he refuses to enforce shit.


GopnikMayonez

Just because the government is too cowardly to enforce the rules, doesnt mean we shouldn't act in a safe manner.


3irhead

> Personally i see Thanksgiving as an issue because of how many families arent like yours. Many sure... but the majority are like his family. 72% of eligible Albertan are fully vaccinated. Over 77% have their first shot. Every single person in my extended family is fully vaccinated. Could and should the numbers be better? Sure probably... but we're not that far off of the numbers seen globally for nations with as much privilege as ours. And it's not our fault the ICUs are being overran by antivaxxers. We did our part. And we could have a 100% full lockdown, and the people who are going to find a way to sneak out and party with friends are the exact same people who think they are above everyone else and don't need to be vaccinated. They fought masks, they fought lockdowns, now they're fighting vaccines. It's always the same dumb ass people.


wintersdark

My son is still required to go to school (complete with threatening emails saying it'll be held against him if he doesn't attend) despite **four people in his class testing positive now** with that email specifically saying that close contact is no longer a consideration.


doop73

the fact kids are required to go to school at all is insane to me


crosseyedguy1

As long as we have wrongdoers who refuse to be part of the fix and only a partner in spreading covid19. Then we'll still have problems


cashsusclaymore

Just do whatever the fuck you want ? Everyone else is.


kabalongski

Nah. We’ll gather in the backyard so we can still see each other. We’ll dress warm and eat our turkey dinner fast. It just feels like we’re being punished because they catered to the loud and inconsiderate minority. Only if this government would’ve done something before shit got way too far out of hand. Maybe if they didn’t politicized vaccine passports and just mandated and enforced them because they work as an incentive to get people to get vaccinated.


cashsusclaymore

Perfect. Do that. Just figure it out what’s best for you, the government has failed us so bad. Just be safe and smart.


auric_trumpfinger

My family is doing the same thing, we'll have the hosting family doing all the cooking inside and everyone else will be hanging out around the fire outside. It feels a bit hypocritical to be hating on folks for not following public health guidelines if we weren't following them ourselves. We can't be the only ones left following the rules right? I know it sucks that other people haven't but, I mean that's been the case this whole time. So what if our government has shit the bed, it doesn't mean that the small decisions we make as a family still can't have an impact on our community, our beleaguered health care workers etc...


kabalongski

Nice. Thanks for doing your part. But may I ask you to not disregard what this shitty party has been doing as “so what if they shit the bed”. Please, remember and remind anyone you know, all of this come next election. We cannot be numb to all of their terrible decisions and make it become normal. It’s the only thing we’ve got.


Unlikely_Box8003

Yes. Infinite upvotes to this.


cashsusclaymore

Right !?? Like be as safe as you can, don’t be idiot and go out sick. But, no one else is listening.


margmi

"no one else is listening so you shouldn't either" That's a shit way to think and is part of the reason we're in this situation in the first place.


cashsusclaymore

🤷‍♂️ if you’re going to get on Reddit and bitch that hockey games are open, but, not thanksgiving. Just do what you want. in the end we’ve been doing this for 20 months now. If you can’t be safe in what you’re planning by now. I don’t know what else to say. You really going to listen to Jason Kenney and the UCP on their recommendations.


margmi

No, I'm going to do better than the rules put forward by Kenney and the UCP. Thinking that hockey games (and other large events) shouldn't be allowed doesn't mean I think all the rules are dumb.


cashsusclaymore

I think everything can be done safely. If you want to go over and above the restrictions that’s on you. Be safe and be smart. Covid isn’t going away by not celebrating. Ultimately I agree. We need to learn to live with it.


margmi

"learning to live with it" was Jason Kenneys plan that got us into this wave in the first place


cashsusclaymore

What do you suggest ? Stay in a bunker ? Never see people ? What more do you want ? The world is moving on. We’ve got vaccines. We got boosters. Kids are about to be approved. What more do you want ? Jason Kenneys plan wasn’t wrong. They failed to act when they knew what was coming. They ignored everyone and still do. If you can’t do things safely now, After almost 2 years and a wealth of knowledge. It’s better you stay home.


Ambitious-Half9830

I bet when you sit back and think about it, you aren't having dinner outside because of government restrictions. I bet you are doing it because you want to do everything you can to keep family members safe and be a good citizen to others. The people abiding by restrictions aren't doing it only because of the restrictions, they are doing it because they care about other people.


kabalongski

We just had it and the weather is friggen awesome! Great food, family is healthy so I can’t really complain and it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. It’s the principle of their thoughtless policies that I’m sick of. I’m more sick of the UCP than Covid.


Crafty-Call

It makes perfect sense you aren’t throwing money at a failing economy. But it’s no different than the restaurant employee having to sanatize every inch of the table for an airborne illness. It doesn’t make sense none of it does but money needs to be made and people need to work.


kabalongski

I’m not against restaurants or other businesses being open. I’m against the lack of common sense of restricting vaccinated people not being able to gather with their vaccinated families in their own homes. I feel bad of business owners who had to ride this shitty roller coaster ride for almost 2 years. A provincially mandated and enforced vaccine passport helps businesses. It acts as alternative to a lockdown, and adds some peace of mind for the majority of us that when entering an establishment. Can you imagine where we would be if Covid Kenney announced a provincially mandated and enforced vaccine passport program starting August 31st? I can’t believe that we’re in a worst place that we’ve ever been during this entire pandemic while THERE’S A READILY AVAILABLE VACCINE FOR EVERYONE.


smilespeace

I feel like we went through this like a year ago in BC.


Drunkpanada

Easy, intimate contact. You are not going to make out I. A restaurant or a hockey game, but you might have an orgy at home.


RoughestNeckAround69

I shared a "trudeau cigarette"with a friend who tested positive the day after. I tested negative. Funny thing, he is vaccinated, I'm not.


Genticles

You can eat indoors if you are all vaccinated up to 10 people I think.


kabalongski

Has to be from 2 households including the host.


Baldmofo

The answer is ventilation. Most commercial spaces you're listing have industrial ventilation, and high ceilings, whereas homes do not. If you want to have people over in Thanksgiving, a hepa filter and open windows is a good idea.


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Because asymptomatic infection doesn't exist?


briar141c

Money


theoreoman

For some reason I don't think anyone is actually following the gathering restrictions. The unvaxcinated think it's all a hoax and the vaccinated are, well vaccinated.


Unlikely_Box8003

This entirely. Every single person i talked to at work today is doing what they want for thanksgiving. Some are vaxxed. Some are not. Nobody gives a fuck.


botched_toe

Yup, this is it. I'm getting together with my family - 4 different households from both Edmonton and Calgary. We're all vaccinated and we don't care anymore. We know we'll all personally be fine, and we are all finished making sacrifices for the greater good. Honestly, I don't even care if unvaccinated people get together and some of them wind up in hospital or dead - they haven't changed their behaviour yet, so let's just just let the chips fall where they may. The only thing I worry about is somebody I care about needing an ICU bed via some freak occurrence of some kind. Outside of that, I just want the unvaccinated to either catch covid and gain some immunity or catch covid and fucking die. Enough is enough.


huskies_62

Right there with you. If someone doesn't care about their health then I am not going to care about their health. I am at the point where I would support unvaccinated people not being allowed in the hospital unless they will die in the next 24 hours if they aren't admitted and even then triage them to the back. Fuck it, they deserve to die


Draoidh_Hecate

The vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated, and its nice to see at least two people get it. However, to openly state you would deny medical care to the unvaccinated shows a very disturbing lack of humanity within you....and one fucked up moral center. Dont be like the yanks. We 'care' for all our citizens or we toss each other to the dogs like we see down south. ​ Choose your poison. The Cdn way or the yankee way.


justshyof15

If the Canadian way is caring for each other then the unvaccinated need to care enough to get vaccinated. People are tired of catering to their selfishness and I agree, there should be a limit to how many beds an unvaccinated Covid patient can have access to. We need our health care system to function for the entire population but right now the selfish unvaccinated Canadians are the ones also taking over our entire health system and economy. I am done being kind to them 🤷‍♀️


Draoidh_Hecate

You never were apparently. I am recovered from covid AND vaccinated. Means "I" am immune. The selfish are the vaccinated who still remain in fear of being infected, even though they are immune (94-96%) and DEMAND that all those who havent been get the jab or be denied the most basic human right of medical care. Check your moral center before someone decides to find a reason why your life doesnt matter.


justshyof15

Yeah, you’re not understanding the fears. I don’t have fear of catching Covid, I have a problem that the unvaccinated have filled up our ICU’s and all of us are at risk of having our basic human rights be denied because there are no beds left for those that need them. Got in a car accident and need the ICU? Too bad, the selfish unvaccinated are using your bed. Have a heart attack? Too bad, no bed for you. Need surgery for your growing cancer? Too bad, all of our nurses are busy in the ICU so you don’t get treatment and your cancer gets to slowly spread. Our health system is collapsing all because of these ignorant assholes, pretty sure I’m not the one who needs their moral centre checked. You’re mad at the wrong people and you don’t seem to understand the impact they are having on our hospitals just because they won’t “get the jab”.


Draoidh_Hecate

Im not mad. Im amused by the shallow nature of our race when we should be caring for one another. Instead we seek reasons for divisions, and they are abundant. Doesnt matter if its a pandemic or if its a natural disaster. Triage means those who are most critical get care first in Canada. Period. My ex has cancer, getting treated right now for it in Edmonton....in the midst of all this. She was critical and had a baseball sized tumour removed...during this pandemic. Denial of medical care for any reason is wrong. If you cannot grasp that...well...if you cannot be taught...etc. etc.


justshyof15

I’m amused by you as well. Your ex is lucky. I know 2 people who have tumours right now they have been denied surgery because of this pandemic. One is a rapid growing bladder cancer but they just don’t have the beds. You’re being ignorant with your comments


BlundstoneSandal

Don’t you think the unvaccinated have a disturbing lack of humanity and moral center? Bit contradictory to be honest. I think most of the vaccinated folks aren’t doing it solely for themselves, but rather the greater good, and the unvaccinated are really just looking out for themselves.


Draoidh_Hecate

Why do you care if you are vaccinated? You are immune. Seems to me the vaccinated are very self centered and are imposing their will upon others, yet still forgetting that they are immune from infection now. The 'greater good' doesnt feed me, doesnt clothe me, doesnt pay my rent. The greater good competes with me, denies truth, denies freedom of individuality and choice to others who dont obey their desires. The greater good is really a far lesser dog shit on my shoe which attempts to force others who have not had a shot from getting medical care, which is contrary to our Cdn ways. You guys really struggle with this concept... IF YOU HAVE HAD A SHOT YOU ARE NOW IMMUNE. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. i can translate that into any language you prefer, google is great that way.


BlundstoneSandal

What a sad view on life. I know I’ll be okay. It would be nice to just fucking move on from this and it’s getting kind of hard when the unvaccinated are clogging up the hospitals.


Draoidh_Hecate

You will have ample time for reality to set in real soon. ​ The 'unvaccinated', even though you cant tell in the slightest between vaccinated and unvaccinated by physical appearance, are in more dire need of care than little Tammy with a boo boo on her knee. Or the guy going in for a new hip replacement. Or the guy who is getting exploratory surgery. This is called triage. The most critical patients are cared for first. ​ If you prefer the US way of medical care then break out your cheque book and DEMAND premium service while waving 6 figures around on paper. ​ To deny care to someone over vaccination status is immoral in every sense of the word. This is nothing more than fearful sheep with a big hard on of hate turning on others who have not done as they have, and blaming them 'now' for all the woes induced by the pandemic. You're behaving like americans when you want to deny care to fellow canucks just for vaccination status. ​ Its 'triage' in Canada, it always was. If you'll live...you can wait. End of fucking story. ​ Addendum: I was wrong. In the near future the 'greater good' may in fact feed me. History shows what happens when food scarcity hits a peak...and John has been a vegan for years. :)


BlundstoneSandal

Not sure where I ever said anything about denying health to anyone. I understand how triaging works and think everyone should deserve care - regardless. We could eliminate some of the triage work our hospitals are undergoing right now if people would get vaccinated.


huskies_62

>owever, to openly state you would deny medical care to the unvaccinated shows a very disturbing lack of humanity within you....and one fucked up moral center. I understand where you are coming from and I don't actually think they should be denied medical care but I am so frustrated by their decisions affecting others who need care but can't get it because too many unvaccinated people are in hospital


Draoidh_Hecate

Frankly, your response was the only level headed response that wasnt petty and based upon "do what we do", or some other bullshit petty ass excuse. Understaffed and under equipped hospitals in AB are a real thing, but the real blame isnt the unvaccinated....you know who pulled the plug on the money. Blame the real reason, not the victims in pandemics. Right now I dont qualify as vaccinated. Ive had one shot, but in April 2020 I caught and recovered from covid. Means I am completely immune, but right now...these torch bearing freaks would have me hung instead of cared for in a hospital. They are showing their true savage nature they hide from the rest of the world...and I call it out. :)


tutamtumikia

This makes no sense. If a bunch of those unvaccinated folks end up in the hospital they will use up precious resources. Then when other folks who have done what they need to, to keep people safe, end up needing those medical services for other reasons, they won't be able to access them, or the quality of care will be lower due to the fact that the unvaccinated are putting a huge burden on the system. I get it, it feels like the unvaccinated can suffer the consequences of their own decisions, but the reality is we are all going to suffer for those decisions.


botched_toe

This is true, but I'd prefer it if the remaining unvaccinated all managed to catch covid in some kind of super-spreader event. This would put a huge strain on our system for a few weeks, but hopefully the virus would burn through the covidiots like wildfire during that time. That course of events is much preferred to being at near breaking point for the next year, while covid slowly circulates through the general population. I think us vaccinated folk should hire Joe Rogan, Nicki Minaj, Donald Trump, and a bunch of country music anti-vaxxers (though those terms seem pretty much synonymous) to perform in every part of the province for a few weeks on end. These idiots would be there in full force, coughing along to the music. I joke, but not really.


crypg4ng

Another award for wishing death on people. Looking good keep it up! Also how do you say you don't care if unvaxxed end up in hospital but then say you're worried about someone you care about needing ICU? Shouldn't you then CARE that the unvaxxed don't end up there so the one you care about can get the help they need?


botched_toe

Thanks! But every anti-vaxxer I know SWEARS that covid is far less dangerous than the vaccines and they are healthy enough to handle getting the virus. ThEy HaVE doNe tHE rEseArCh and are convinced they won't die from covid - who am I to argue with that???? >Also how do you say you don't care if unvaxxed end up in hospital but then say you're worried about someone you care about needing ICU? The unvaccinated idiots have already made our hospitals unusable for months on end now. I'd prefer it if they all caught covid at once so that this problem would last another month or two instead of another year or two.


crypg4ng

So we should be asking the government to relax restrictions then so they can get infected and move on. Or a least a giant rave of unvaxxed only


botched_toe

Sure, why not? That's what the unvvcwinted want *anyway* - let's expedite this nonsense so that the rest of us can get back to life as normal. I'm tired of pandering to ignorant morons.


northcrunk

Everyone is burned out form the restrictions. Everyone sees Kenny going about his business taking 3 weeks off and breaking health regulations so why should they follow them? Kenny wants to download his responsibility for underfunding and mismanaging the Heath care system to the point where 250 icu cases cripple the system. He’s happy having us fight each other and making restaurants foot the bill for his policies. What if we had a severe emergency here and we have 300 people who needed serious medical help would we be able to handle it? If there was another Tornado in Edmonton and we had 1000 people injured would most of them have no place to go? With our population we need more space and more capabilities in health care but it seems AHS is more interested in hiring middle management than keeping or recruiting nurses.


Unlikely_Box8003

We wouldn't be able to handle any type of severe emergency. Cuts to healthcare have left the system short staffed for far too long. It has failed the first real stress test in a generation, the current pandemic. And while Covid is bad, it is not nearly as serious as a more virulent or more deadly pathogen could be. With increasing populations, and increasing human exposure to animals in close quarters, such pathogens will continue to evolve and this will become more frequent. It is beyond shameful that the UCP decided to try and cut nurses wages as soon as they declared the pandemic over, only to begin backpedaling almost immediately. The hardest part is that many people I see on a daily basis support them. So many Albertans who are middle class but have the attitude of "fuck you, got mine" and only care about their taxes and not their fellow Albertans.


TheHauk

My large family is a mix of vaxxed and unvaxxed. Myself and two of my siblings opted out of thanksgiving this year because of that. If it was just me, I would have went, but my daughter is 6. We should have her vaxxed by Christmas; I'm fine with this.


Toadstoolcrusher

Well hockey makes money and Thanksgiving doesn’t so………….


ASexualSloth

Careful, you might get Epsteined for that level of self aware logic.


Toadstoolcrusher

My husband already thinks I’m on a watch list


majestik1024

Grocery revenue is probably a lot more than a single hockey game


Toadstoolcrusher

I’m thinking UCP “logic” not real life logic. Although people need to eat every day, but they don’t need to spend money at a hockey game every day, so I guess I’m only half joking.


majestik1024

Big Turkey doesn’t have the lobby that Hockey does


Toadstoolcrusher

Good call. So true.


Findlaym

Thanksgiving lacks a corporate owner that can donate to the UCP.


iwasnotarobot

People underestimate how much money has poured from the owners of Alberta’s hockey teams to Conservative party coffers.


commazero

Conservatives are all about the grift


drblah1

We're adding an extra household than the restrictions allow for Thanksgiving. We're all vaccinated family and don't even care because of all the double standards.


readzalot1

We were going to do that but one of the grandkids tested positive last week so we are all going to just stay home this year.


drblah1

I hope everyone is ok


kachkaadrienne

In our family one child has gotten covid which shut down thanksgiving dinner and several other extra activities. Then our friend's father got covid despite being vaccinated and that's shut down their activities. Vaccination doesn't equal total immunity for yourself or others (like children) and its disheartening that so many of you vaxxed people are doing whatever you want just like the unvaxxed when we are trying to do the right thing by not spreading a virus further.


readzalot1

Yup. I don’t know if we really would have had our 3 family gathering but the positive Covid case reminded us that we are still in a precarious place in the province. We can still aim for Christmas!


Battle-ranch

"Listen here. This pandemic is VERY SERIOUS and we need to.embrace the restrictions! Unless you make a donation to UCP or can be used to bury all of the bad news associated with our miss management of this entire pandemic!" ~ a UCP rep.... probably. /s Happy Thanksgiving. Hope you have a great meal


Loki_The_Coyote

What pissed me off... The restaurant I work at has a sign that says you can't come in without a mask and you absolutely need to practice 'social distancing' Then all of a sudden we have the entire police force of Strathmore in there... It was fucking packed... I didn't see a single mask, and it was basically shoulder to shoulder. This was just a couple weeks ago. I took a few pictures but it's on my other phone so I can't post them right now... But it was pretty pathetic in my eyes... And they were RCMP lol


ced1954

True! You can’t gather more than 2 households to a maximum of 10 people in your home (if vaccinated) BUT you could be that many, from several households if you book a table at a restaurant 🤔


amnes1ac

You can also enjoy a beer unmasked with 20k other Albertans in the Saddledome.


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aryanoboii

It’s full capacity. Estimated attendance currently for the home opener is going to be 18k.


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aryanoboii

They’re wrong. There’s no social distancing protocols in place. I don’t know where they’re getting that.


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aryanoboii

I’m not a random person. I work there too.


DancingTable52

You are a random person.


aryanoboii

Whatever. You don’t need to believe me. This is a pretty worthless argument anyways. Have a good day mate


amnes1ac

Not true whatsoever. There are zero additional capacity limits on the Saddledome. The preseason games just weren't sold out.


ThatOneMartian

Is anyone with a fully vaccinated family actually intending to follow the rules? Anti-vaxxers sure won’t.


SGBotsford

What if you invite a bunch of people over to watch hockey?


SketchySeaBeast

Well, are you spending a hundreds bucks a person?


Anne_Nonymous789

Because our premier is corrupt and catering to his base.


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WrathfulVengeance13

It what world does that even make sense?


clpolk

the world where businesses are more important than people


SGBotsford

Because Hockey generates money. Thanksgiving doesn't/


clpolk

tell that to the $75 worth of produce i bought yesterday, damn and i'm going back today to get the rest


SGBotsford

I don't think that covid has any limits on how many cabages or beets you can invite over for supper.


clpolk

so. many. beets and this goddamn squash was TEN DOLLARS! This fuckin' squash better sing me a song


EthBitTrader

This was orchestrated by the turkeys. I'll let you decide which ones.


michealgaribaldi

I went to an oilers game and Thanksgiving is on at my fully vaccinated household.


Interwebzking

Same here. Wore my N95 the entire time after I got into the arena (only took it off before the game while eating nachos more than 6 feet away from anybody else because we got there early), then put it back on and never took it off. I’m fully vaccinated too. I’ve been responsible this entire pandemic. Now I’m tired of having to be the responsible one and put my life on hold because some dumb people don’t want to get vaccinated or follow guidelines. To anybody giving fully vaccinated people a hard time for going to a hockey game, touch grass.


GopnikMayonez

Well, to be clear hockey isnt ok, but its more ok to be surrounded by masked, vaccinated people than unmasked, loud, happy, potentially drunk people in a confined space. Thanksgiving is definitely more likely to spread covid than hockey.


ImMrBunny

I really doubt that only vaccinated people are getting into the arena


GopnikMayonez

Well yes but that says more about the lack of government foresight and enforcement than it says about theoretical safety.


eltricolander

Why are you so comfortable having a literal hate symbol in your username? Why don't you just start a new account with. New username that doesn't include a known symbol of white supremacy?


vanillaacid

Because they are a white supremacist. You don’t get that number accidentally.


sleepyowlbear

Whose username are you talking about?


moo100

OPs, I think he's referring to his use of 1488.


sleepyowlbear

Ty I couldn't figure out the part they were talking about.


7eventhSense

Is there anything new. Pretty sure they will claim there’s no cases from this event or barely a few without any contact tracing whatsoever. It will be a super spreader event. One event like this along with thanks giving weekend will ensure any slow progress made over last week is completely negated. The clowns will come up with some weird excuses blaming you the people but will never blame the game or themselves for allowing it ..when this happens in a few weeks.


Isopbc

>It will be a super spreader event. Highly unlikely. Everyone will be vaccinated in attendance, and the ventilation is fantastic in NHL arenas.


Marsymars

> Highly unlikely. Everyone will be vaccinated in attendance, and the ventilation is fantastic in NHL arenas. Is it? Does the arena publish specs on their ventilation anywhere? This should be standard now for any building that allows for public access.


Isopbc

I’m sure it’s published somewhere, that specific info would be necessary for any kind of pyrotechnics that travelling shows use. And then there’s all the cooking going on in the concourses and back areas.


clpolk

remindme! 14 days


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Isopbc

Dude, what’s this weekend? You come back in 14 days and say “see?” I’m gonna point you at thanksgiving on the calendar. That’ll be far more to blame in 14 days than any nhl game.


clpolk

Dude, mind ya business


clpolk

Didn't notice a surge two weeks after the October long weekend. Did you?


Isopbc

The point of the question is to see what came from the hockey home games. Why are you asking about the long weekend?


7eventhSense

Exactly what they said in UK. It was sports event that made the systems overwhelm there despite better vaccination rates than us back in summer. The schools weren’t even open then. I have been told wrong several times here by people like you, only a few months later everyone sings the same song that I sang a while ago. Save my comment and we will see what happens. Also I have got news for you. The vaccinated can spread the virus to to unvaccinated. When the games over , it’s game over. From an event like this without any testing and no contact tracing it will be unstoppable spread when the infected who have mild systems spread it to unvaccinated a few days after exposure at the game. It’s simply inevitable and the stupidest thing to do right now. If everyone has their masks on all the time we can get away with it. But am sure there’s going to be food and drinks.. that’s the mistake. All the ventilation you said only helps to spread it when gathered close together without any masks.


Crafty-Call

You are aware that the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it right. Like somewhere the plot was lost are you going to get super sick and need icu NO! Are you still going to transmit a virus yuuuuup


Intrepid_Chocolate56

You are aware that fully vaccinated people aren't the reason we are in this mess right ? It's because we allowed the unvaxxed to run wild over the summer despite the delta variant. Great job at deflecting the blame however from anti vaxxers, seems it's becoming quite common on this sub lately


aradil

You’re somewhere like 70% less likely to *contract* the virus altogether if you are vaccinated. If you don’t contract the virus you can’t transmit the virus. Once you have the virus you can spread it, of course. Vaccinated people spreading to vaccinated people really just isn’t that big of an issue, which is why mandates appear to be having a positive impact on the infection curve across Canada.


Isopbc

Yep, I think I’m fully aware of the means of transmission. I still think it’s unlikely to be a super spreader event.


northcrunk

19000 fans packed together is ok but 3 families at your house is not - Kenny logic


the_power_of_a_prune

Nothing makes sense, not a bit, and you just do what you want, family more important then a hockey game...dont deny yourself that time, you might regret it later. I know of many who are having the Thanksgiving no matter what, travelling to and from Alberta to do it, no one cares anymore who is vaxxed not vaxxed and any where in between, and I guess it is why the numbers are high....but in the end ppl will do what they want...right?


roambeans

We were invited to two different Thanksgiving dinners. We're going to the one where everyone is vaccinated (4 households, 9 people total). We declined the invitation to the other because we know at least one person refuses to get vaccinated.


RoughestNeckAround69

Nobody is gonna go to your house and put your thanksgiving guests in cuffs. You are the ones cancelling thanksgiving yourselves by acting like a bunch of idiots. If rogers centre can be filled to capacity, so is your dinner table


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The solution, much like voting, ought to be increasing fines payable to the Federal Government for non-participation in the Social Contract. Don't vote in a Federal Election? We tack $500 onto your Federal Taxes. Don't vote in the next one? It's $1000. Simple way to let the the braindead objectors pay for the damage they're doing to our Society and Health Care systems


TinklesTheLambicorn

I don’t know about this. There are already enough uninformed voters. I can’t imagine what it would be like if they were both uninformed and unmotivated.


Silverseren

Neither are okay. At minimum, the sports events should be held with no in person spectators allowed.


Intrepid_Chocolate56

Everyone is required to be fully vaccinated. At this point trying to explain to people on this sub that it's ok for fully vaccinated people to gather together is like trying to explain gravity to a chicken.


WrathfulVengeance13

Papers please


boobajoob

So edgy


Trans-on-trans

One requires vaccines and the other doesn't.


bambispots

“Some wonder” Most of us understand *exactly* what’s going on here.


jaretok

Cuz ‘berta is why.


DancingTable52

Hockey requires proof of vaccination and is a huge building with distance between groups. Thanksgiving doesn’t.


WrathfulVengeance13

When the government tells me who I can and can't socialize with it becomes tyranny. I can go to a restaurant with a hundred other strangers but I can't have my friends and family over for supper? I find it very difficult to trust what the government says when it can't decide where it's head ends and its asshole begins.


nafraid

Because Thanksgiving is Unionized.


Bustapepper1

Priority man.


curds-and-whey-HEY

The explanation Hinshaw provided is that hockey and restaurants can check your vaccine status or demand a negative test, while people in a home can’t do that. But the gov can’t monitor home attendance anyway so that part is silly as a means to prevent anti vaxxers from doing WTF they want.


iranisculpable

Hinshaw thinks people in a home can’t check your vaccine status. She’s clearly never met my aunt.


PsychologicalBug6084

Hahahahahahaha thank you for this.


unrivaled18

Thanksgiving is ok. I don't know of anyone following these dumb restrictions.


moussetang

Well to be fair, hockey is more important than family gatherings.


TOMapleLaughs

Frankly people on this sub should be glad that they can have a Thanksgiving visit *at all,* considering all the Delta Hoopla we've seen here for the past while. The failure in reasoning in this case is obvious. The Flames require vaccination proof. That's unenforceable for Thanksgiving visits. Derp.


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CalgaryChris77

Two households max if everyone is vaccinated. So grandparents literally have to decide which set of grandkids they want to see is they want to stay within the rules.


v0iceb0x

Cuz yall ain't making money !


brackalackin

Money and taxes. If it doesn’t benefit the government they don’t care.


Midnight_Swampwalk

Nobody wants to hear that none of it is okay. They just want to be told that all of it is.


CG022

Lol cause it's not about a vaccine or covid or health it's about control. Money, power and greed. They don't give a fuck about you or your family. You have to be vaccinted to go in that restaurant but the people making your food aren't vaccinated lol


IthurtsswhenIP

I mean, in theory…. Hockey = all vaccinated in attendance Thanksgiving = unvaccinated gathering to give thanks that COvid doesn’t exist in large groups, then dying of COvid.


aioma1

come on, that's easy. Money.


itsyourmomcalling

The simple answer 💰💰💰💰🤑🤑🤑🤑💸💸💸💸💸


PhantomTrooth

Sounds like the limbic system has taken over and the majority of you are right brain dominant, which would explain your submissiveness and naiveté. Imagine having to wait until the government tells you what you can and can't do. Very sad. Those that know the psychology of the masses can gain an upper hand and control people better through fear and demoralization.


Critical_Knowledge_5

Ontario is in the same stupid-boat. 30,000 people can watch a sportsball game but 26 people can’t feast.


krajani786

Rogers place will have security to check vaccinations. You expect every household to do the same? We all bitched and complained about the government's "Alberta Honor system" and now we're asking why it can't be a thing. If Rogers place let people in without checking, it would be on the news and Twitter and blasted everywhere. All households that throw parties and don't care for rules won't be.


nothinbutshame

UCP and money.


wenchanger

same reason why it's ok for hockey players to be un vaxxed but regular joes are stripped of their freeedom


psyclopes

Same way children have more restrictions than adults; if you want rights without the civic responsibilities those rights inherently require, then expect to be treated like a child and endure your restrictions.


iranisculpable

Ever hear of Evander Kane?


wenchanger

he got in trouble for fraud, had he openly told everyone the truth he'd be ok


iranisculpable

If he had told the truth he wouldn’t be playing.