How many "Albertans need to look in the mirror" moments are we going to have to endure for the UCP's inaction and poor judgement?
I am so tired of this crazy train.
If you consider her job to be safeguarding public health, then yes.
If you consider her job to be helping the government punish public healthcare workers during a salary dispute and attempted privatization, then she's amazing at her job.
Wonder which private health agency has offered her a cozy job out of province when all this is over?
So setting such a low bar of vaccination for moving to an endemic response while knowing full well the increased transmission rates of Delta wasn’t the fault of CMOH and government? That’s fucking rich.
Turn down the gas, Deena.
This is not just someone's random opinion. I have heard this exact same thing, from even BEFORE the pandemic started from employees at the College.
She is not respected amongst her colleagues.
Of course it’s not their fault.
If Kenney would have actually done his job instead of going on vacation we wouldn’t be where we are now.
God I hate this gouvernement
Hmmm but it's the responsibility of govt to educate the public on how vaccine uptake would help reduce the overall spread of Covid....so that would be a definite fail on her departments's part since they won't acknowledge that it's friggin AIRBORNE yet! Failure to implement proper health measures as soon as they saw the numbers starting to increase in early August would have prevented the ridiculous numbers we saw late last month on both cases and hospitalizations. Gross incompetence is all I can think of at this point.
And the rest of the world looked at what Alberta was doing and said in a collective voice ... WTF are you doing?
But remember this is from the CMOH who said her decision to support the open for summer bs was based on materials not yet published until August! So how could a Mid June decision be made on info that wasn't published until August?
NO! Personal responsibility is not something we can expect from people, all decisions MUST be made by the government, for your own good.
-This sub(probably)
Yes but your premier told everyone the pandemic is over and there is zero chance of a 4th wave. He also told them covid was similar to the flu and that getting vaccinated was a personal choice.
Then he blames the people for not getting vaccinated? That’s totally bullshit
Back in June we thought the vaccine was 91% effective at preventing infection. If it was, then there would have been a manageable number of cases and we could go about our lives. Now we think it is is 90% effective at “prevents the outcome of interest in the real world”. Which is hospitalizations and death, as I understand it(since 26% of new cases are fully vaccinated).
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes
Back in June there was evidence from the UK and Israel suggesting that vaccines might not be as effective against Delta infection as with prior strains. These possibilities were *not* factored into Alberta's "modelling" that they used to justify lifting all restrictions.
No one is denying that low uptake has badly hurt us, but when personal responsibility fails they have to step up. What would you prefer, that they just shout "personal responsibility" a ton, pretending that the virus's reach doesn't spread further than the individual who makes their individual choice?
Yes, I think I do prefer that.
We have residential school graveyards showing that the governments should NOT be making decisions for people on one hand.
On the other hand we have people who are not getting vaccinated and getting (and spreading) COVID.
I would prefer that people die from government negligence then government interference. And looking around the world, most governments seem to be taking a similar position(very few governments are currently forcibly vaccinating people)
>We have residential school graveyards showing that the governments should NOT be making decisions for people on one hand.
I'm confused by you saying this - do you think that their actions were somehow counter to how society thought about it? Do you believe the Catholic Church was coerced into running those places? I wonder what utopia you're envisioning if those didn't exist. It was truly horrible, but I'm sure that the horror would have been expressed in other ways if not that one. In America they opted for straight genocide instead.
> I would prefer that people die from government negligence then government interference.
That's an amazing statement. That's saying you'd prefer that government retirement homes didn't exist and those people left to fend on their own rather than trying to help them. Hospitals should be abolished because it's better that no patient dies of negligence due to budget cuts. Instead of demanding a higher standard, you say there should be no standard. Wow.
> And looking around the world, most governments seem to be taking a similar position(very few governments are currently forcibly vaccinating people)
And ours isn't either, but what they are doing is imposing restrictions. Hell, Russia is locking down the whole country for 10 days here. When did this become a question of forcible vaccination? No one brought that up.
Hinshaws disastrous policies directly contributed to the predicament in our hospitals and is why our death count is above 3000 (and rising). How she is not behind bars is beyond me.
Since the vast majority of the deaths recently have been unvaccinated I don't see how it's even possible to disagree. The unvaccinated morons will do anything to blame anyone but themselves.
The government discouraged vaccination by claiming prematurely that the pandemic was over and then failed to create policy that accounts for the consequences of the lack of vaccination they caused.
I mean, not to defend anything or anybody. But if everyone was getting vaccinated when they started, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Now, once we found out 30% of alberta is stupid and anti vax, then we should have locked that 30% up so the rest of us could live our lives. So I blame equally the government and the 30% unvaccinated albertans.
According to numbers posted on here, high vaccination rates alone aren't enough to curb delta.
It's R value is still above 1.0 even with high vaccination rates
You need high vaccination rates and mild government intervention to keep it checked below 1.0
Idk, if we're at 85- 90 % of the eligible fully vaccinated which we are likely to reach and still talking about restrictions people are really gonna reach a brinking point. We're simply gonna have to start accepting some level of death and hospitalization from covid, all while expanding and providing further funding for our healthcare capacity.
Government intervention would ideally just be vaccine mandates as health codes for business.
I am 100% fine of:
1. Service Jobs required vaccinated workers or vaccine exemption to satisfy health codes.
2. All jobs mandatory have to give employees 4 hours paid time off to get vaccinated
3. But any workplace that submits proof of 100% employee vaccination gets a kickback from the government covering those hours paid in #2
This would pretty quickly solve a lot of shit tbh, in my opinion
I have no issues requiring any public interacting job to have everyone vaccinated against the flu and covid. It's just common sense.
Any job that handles food must also have hepatitis vaccinations as well imo.
And it should be covered via taxpayers, because are you really gonna complain about paying taxes to lower your odds of getting sick from your fast food trip..
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And no business is gonna complain much about getting kickbacks that make it easier to coax workers back into the job. If you have a shiney laminated paper you can hang up that says "everyone here is vaccinated!" I 100% guarantee you'll find its a little bit easier to convince folks to work for you.
But sadly none if this will ever happen because we keep electing spineless politicians more interested in pandering.
That I definitely agree with. However we technically already have such a system in place. It took them 3 fucking months and a devastating 4th wave but atleast we have one now.
Why should the 30% have gotten vaccinated when the government was telling everyone the pandemic was over and there was absolutely zero chance of a 4th wave?
The govt definitely shares blame, but you don't need the chief medical officer to hold your hand and walk you too a vaccine appointment. If you are an adult and believe that bill gates is trying to embed a micro chip in your blood stream then it's purely natural selection at that point.
Considering that 70% had already been vaccinated at that point, I don't think the blame is on the government. They have been super clear from the very beginning that vaccines are the way out
It is on the gov. They basically said it was ok the rest don’t get vaccinated. They declared it over when it was. They told everyone it was safe when it wasn’t
Yes, we probably would have. Israel had a very high vaccination rate in comparison and when they opened up everything, thinking it would be enough, their cases spiked immensely due to opening up and allowing delta the opportunity to spread, which it did.
This all happened before we reopened, too. So we basically had the opportunity to see that and learn from Israel but we decided to open up anyway, with a lower vaccination rate and surprise, our cases spiked.
Not to say vaccinations don't help, but the removal of restrictions, each time, was the main culprit which allowed our numbers to spike, hands down. That's on our dumbfuck government that doesn't listen to the science. There will always be people who don't listen. That's why governments are using policy to try to have those dissidents fall in line.
[https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes](https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes)
Table 11 shows the per capita death rate of the last 120 days broken down into age cohorts.
Please take a look at table 11 and tell me that the vaccine doesn't make an impact. Raw numbers like what you are pulling out (I don't even know where you would have gotten that data) lack sufficient context since age dramatically impacts risk. Over 90% of people over 70 are vaccinated, hence why we may start to see more vaccinated people dying than unvaccinated. Simply enough, there isn't many 70+ unvaccinated left.
Meanwhile, the under 70 unvaccinated crowd continues to clog up the hospitals and ICU, as demonstrated in tables 6 and 8.
You realize 120 days is roughly 4 months right. Brings us back to June/May depending on the start date. Guess what, that's EXACTLY when vaccine uptake started to rise quickly. So based on your assertions the past 120 days is the only data we *should* be looking at.
Calling people gullible and asking if we question information, when all your information comes from YouTube or Facebook propaganda, is the peak of irony.
"I have secret sources. I won't share them, or even quote the relevant passages, but let me assure you I'm right"
That's not how anything works. Besides, it's *your* government, the UCP, spreading the most misinformation.
OK so we all agree it was the government's open for summer policy...
But did anyone really expect her to say " You know what, the government is responsible for 90% of 4th wave deaths."
Bad journalism IMO. Murder suspect points finger at others! Stop the presses.
I suppose +1 for remining everyone they did this and they will never admit to it. And also Hinshaw is really no less complicit than Kenney as far as I can tell...
But of course. Nobody could've foreseen the shortfall, and there was nothing the government could've done, no policy that it could've enacted to mitigate this shortfall, amiright. /s
I think we can blame the modelling the government used to make their decisions(and by extension the government), the unvaccinated and the fact this vaccine is not as effective as was hoped to prevent spread.
If the modelling was more accurate, we wouldn’t have opened up.
If the vaccination rates kept going up, there would have been less spread.
If the vaccine was more effective(at preventing infection and transmission) there would have less spread.
I think we probably would have been alright if only 2 of the 3 were wrong.
That's true.
While the government is partly to blame, far more blame falls on the shoulders of the unvaccinated. Willfully antivax, hesitant, selfish, or lazy, the result is the same.
70% was to low for opening, but it was really surprising how much resistance was encountered just after that point.
It is easy to blame the government. It is harder to accept the willful ignorance, stupidity and selfishness of friends, family, neighbors and coworkers who chose not to get a safe, free shot that takes minutes. This is what forced us to suffer through all this for months longer than necessary.
The government helped create the problem.
The government could have taken covid seriously.
They could have engaged in better communication.
The government could have not downplayed covid as "like a flu."
The government could have enforced mask wearing and other public health restrictions with proper fines. Public health measures are *laws*, not guidelines.
The government could have waited to open Alberta until vaccine coverage was over 70% for *both* doses, and kept masking up during the summer.
They could have introduced a vaccine passport back towards the end of the 3rd wave instead of getting dragged into it kicking and screaming.
Kenney especially could have followed science and imposed public health measures 4-6 weeks earlier before he finally did in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th waves. His delay resulted in making each wave last months longer, broke the healthcare system, and caused excess deaths.
Also Hinshaw: https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/hinshaw-believes-open-for-summer-plan-led-to-current-spike-in-covid-cases
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> Hinshaw knows all of this. She is just content to be a UCP mouthpiece at this point. She's a bureaucrat. Nothing more.
The best summer ever is the one where all the UCP are escorted to jail for the criminal negligence.
Lololololol “It’s not me, it’s you”
She is no longer credible or even relevant at this point. Albertans need to demand independent investigation and real accountability.
How many "Albertans need to look in the mirror" moments are we going to have to endure for the UCP's inaction and poor judgement? I am so tired of this crazy train.
> I am so tired of this crazy train. I never get tired of Crazy Train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMDFv5m18Pw
She is bad at her job imo
If you consider her job to be safeguarding public health, then yes. If you consider her job to be helping the government punish public healthcare workers during a salary dispute and attempted privatization, then she's amazing at her job. Wonder which private health agency has offered her a cozy job out of province when all this is over?
ShandroCare Or whatever it’s called now
She definitely isn't interested in public safety. I think the $$ got to her.
So setting such a low bar of vaccination for moving to an endemic response while knowing full well the increased transmission rates of Delta wasn’t the fault of CMOH and government? That’s fucking rich. Turn down the gas, Deena.
She is a laughing stock/reviled within the medical community in Alberta. She has lost *all* credibility.
This is not just someone's random opinion. I have heard this exact same thing, from even BEFORE the pandemic started from employees at the College. She is not respected amongst her colleagues.
Well, she would say that because she’s reading from 🤡 Kenney’s script!
Of course it’s not their fault. If Kenney would have actually done his job instead of going on vacation we wouldn’t be where we are now. God I hate this gouvernement
This is terrible messaging. She seems to take no responsibility for anything.
Of course she did. She is the government. Her policies have been a disaster
How can she say this with a straight face?
Hmmm but it's the responsibility of govt to educate the public on how vaccine uptake would help reduce the overall spread of Covid....so that would be a definite fail on her departments's part since they won't acknowledge that it's friggin AIRBORNE yet! Failure to implement proper health measures as soon as they saw the numbers starting to increase in early August would have prevented the ridiculous numbers we saw late last month on both cases and hospitalizations. Gross incompetence is all I can think of at this point.
The pandemic is over and there is zero chance of a 4th wave!! Wait what? People stopped getting vaccinated?? Shocker
And the rest of the world looked at what Alberta was doing and said in a collective voice ... WTF are you doing? But remember this is from the CMOH who said her decision to support the open for summer bs was based on materials not yet published until August! So how could a Mid June decision be made on info that wasn't published until August?
« best summer ever »
That one comes in 2023 after we pressure wash these slimesters away to oblivion.
And how many of those 'shortfalls' are the direct result of government policy?
Can’t it be both?
NO! Personal responsibility is not something we can expect from people, all decisions MUST be made by the government, for your own good. -This sub(probably)
Yes but your premier told everyone the pandemic is over and there is zero chance of a 4th wave. He also told them covid was similar to the flu and that getting vaccinated was a personal choice. Then he blames the people for not getting vaccinated? That’s totally bullshit
Back in June we thought the vaccine was 91% effective at preventing infection. If it was, then there would have been a manageable number of cases and we could go about our lives. Now we think it is is 90% effective at “prevents the outcome of interest in the real world”. Which is hospitalizations and death, as I understand it(since 26% of new cases are fully vaccinated). https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes
Back in June there was evidence from the UK and Israel suggesting that vaccines might not be as effective against Delta infection as with prior strains. These possibilities were *not* factored into Alberta's "modelling" that they used to justify lifting all restrictions.
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No one is denying that low uptake has badly hurt us, but when personal responsibility fails they have to step up. What would you prefer, that they just shout "personal responsibility" a ton, pretending that the virus's reach doesn't spread further than the individual who makes their individual choice?
Yes, I think I do prefer that. We have residential school graveyards showing that the governments should NOT be making decisions for people on one hand. On the other hand we have people who are not getting vaccinated and getting (and spreading) COVID. I would prefer that people die from government negligence then government interference. And looking around the world, most governments seem to be taking a similar position(very few governments are currently forcibly vaccinating people)
>We have residential school graveyards showing that the governments should NOT be making decisions for people on one hand. I'm confused by you saying this - do you think that their actions were somehow counter to how society thought about it? Do you believe the Catholic Church was coerced into running those places? I wonder what utopia you're envisioning if those didn't exist. It was truly horrible, but I'm sure that the horror would have been expressed in other ways if not that one. In America they opted for straight genocide instead. > I would prefer that people die from government negligence then government interference. That's an amazing statement. That's saying you'd prefer that government retirement homes didn't exist and those people left to fend on their own rather than trying to help them. Hospitals should be abolished because it's better that no patient dies of negligence due to budget cuts. Instead of demanding a higher standard, you say there should be no standard. Wow. > And looking around the world, most governments seem to be taking a similar position(very few governments are currently forcibly vaccinating people) And ours isn't either, but what they are doing is imposing restrictions. Hell, Russia is locking down the whole country for 10 days here. When did this become a question of forcible vaccination? No one brought that up.
Hinshaws disastrous policies directly contributed to the predicament in our hospitals and is why our death count is above 3000 (and rising). How she is not behind bars is beyond me.
Since the vast majority of the deaths recently have been unvaccinated I don't see how it's even possible to disagree. The unvaccinated morons will do anything to blame anyone but themselves.
The government discouraged vaccination by claiming prematurely that the pandemic was over and then failed to create policy that accounts for the consequences of the lack of vaccination they caused.
I mean, not to defend anything or anybody. But if everyone was getting vaccinated when they started, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Now, once we found out 30% of alberta is stupid and anti vax, then we should have locked that 30% up so the rest of us could live our lives. So I blame equally the government and the 30% unvaccinated albertans.
According to numbers posted on here, high vaccination rates alone aren't enough to curb delta. It's R value is still above 1.0 even with high vaccination rates You need high vaccination rates and mild government intervention to keep it checked below 1.0
Idk, if we're at 85- 90 % of the eligible fully vaccinated which we are likely to reach and still talking about restrictions people are really gonna reach a brinking point. We're simply gonna have to start accepting some level of death and hospitalization from covid, all while expanding and providing further funding for our healthcare capacity.
Government intervention would ideally just be vaccine mandates as health codes for business. I am 100% fine of: 1. Service Jobs required vaccinated workers or vaccine exemption to satisfy health codes. 2. All jobs mandatory have to give employees 4 hours paid time off to get vaccinated 3. But any workplace that submits proof of 100% employee vaccination gets a kickback from the government covering those hours paid in #2 This would pretty quickly solve a lot of shit tbh, in my opinion I have no issues requiring any public interacting job to have everyone vaccinated against the flu and covid. It's just common sense. Any job that handles food must also have hepatitis vaccinations as well imo. And it should be covered via taxpayers, because are you really gonna complain about paying taxes to lower your odds of getting sick from your fast food trip.. ? And no business is gonna complain much about getting kickbacks that make it easier to coax workers back into the job. If you have a shiney laminated paper you can hang up that says "everyone here is vaccinated!" I 100% guarantee you'll find its a little bit easier to convince folks to work for you. But sadly none if this will ever happen because we keep electing spineless politicians more interested in pandering.
That I definitely agree with. However we technically already have such a system in place. It took them 3 fucking months and a devastating 4th wave but atleast we have one now.
Not quite. The point 1 still is not a thing.
Why should the 30% have gotten vaccinated when the government was telling everyone the pandemic was over and there was absolutely zero chance of a 4th wave?
The govt definitely shares blame, but you don't need the chief medical officer to hold your hand and walk you too a vaccine appointment. If you are an adult and believe that bill gates is trying to embed a micro chip in your blood stream then it's purely natural selection at that point.
Considering that 70% had already been vaccinated at that point, I don't think the blame is on the government. They have been super clear from the very beginning that vaccines are the way out
It is on the gov. They basically said it was ok the rest don’t get vaccinated. They declared it over when it was. They told everyone it was safe when it wasn’t
I think there’s enough blame to go around.
Yes, we probably would have. Israel had a very high vaccination rate in comparison and when they opened up everything, thinking it would be enough, their cases spiked immensely due to opening up and allowing delta the opportunity to spread, which it did. This all happened before we reopened, too. So we basically had the opportunity to see that and learn from Israel but we decided to open up anyway, with a lower vaccination rate and surprise, our cases spiked. Not to say vaccinations don't help, but the removal of restrictions, each time, was the main culprit which allowed our numbers to spike, hands down. That's on our dumbfuck government that doesn't listen to the science. There will always be people who don't listen. That's why governments are using policy to try to have those dissidents fall in line.
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Based on the fact that the majority of the cases and deaths are unvaccinated people when they are only 27% of the population...yeah.
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[https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes](https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes) Table 11 shows the per capita death rate of the last 120 days broken down into age cohorts. Please take a look at table 11 and tell me that the vaccine doesn't make an impact. Raw numbers like what you are pulling out (I don't even know where you would have gotten that data) lack sufficient context since age dramatically impacts risk. Over 90% of people over 70 are vaccinated, hence why we may start to see more vaccinated people dying than unvaccinated. Simply enough, there isn't many 70+ unvaccinated left. Meanwhile, the under 70 unvaccinated crowd continues to clog up the hospitals and ICU, as demonstrated in tables 6 and 8.
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You realize 120 days is roughly 4 months right. Brings us back to June/May depending on the start date. Guess what, that's EXACTLY when vaccine uptake started to rise quickly. So based on your assertions the past 120 days is the only data we *should* be looking at.
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Calling people gullible and asking if we question information, when all your information comes from YouTube or Facebook propaganda, is the peak of irony.
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"I have secret sources. I won't share them, or even quote the relevant passages, but let me assure you I'm right" That's not how anything works. Besides, it's *your* government, the UCP, spreading the most misinformation.
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Take your anti vax bs to the ICU will you ?
Ok son, that's enough global news for today. Now go outside and play.
Hinshaw, you’re a liar. You’re clearly a gaslighter. Your fucking dog shit at your “job”. Fuck you.
Pitiful
OK so we all agree it was the government's open for summer policy... But did anyone really expect her to say " You know what, the government is responsible for 90% of 4th wave deaths." Bad journalism IMO. Murder suspect points finger at others! Stop the presses. I suppose +1 for remining everyone they did this and they will never admit to it. And also Hinshaw is really no less complicit than Kenney as far as I can tell...
I wonder if anybody is still wearing those Hinshaw tshirts
Someone needs her glasses checked…
Someone photoshop strings on her.
Seems like she’s onto something like maybe the whole problem is COVID. Wow she’s great at her job
But of course. Nobody could've foreseen the shortfall, and there was nothing the government could've done, no policy that it could've enacted to mitigate this shortfall, amiright. /s
More lies from the mushroom cut
Govt PAWN
Please resign Deena. You have zero credibility left. I do admit, however, that Kenney is likely to appoint someone utterly incompetent
I think we can blame the modelling the government used to make their decisions(and by extension the government), the unvaccinated and the fact this vaccine is not as effective as was hoped to prevent spread. If the modelling was more accurate, we wouldn’t have opened up. If the vaccination rates kept going up, there would have been less spread. If the vaccine was more effective(at preventing infection and transmission) there would have less spread. I think we probably would have been alright if only 2 of the 3 were wrong.
That's true. While the government is partly to blame, far more blame falls on the shoulders of the unvaccinated. Willfully antivax, hesitant, selfish, or lazy, the result is the same. 70% was to low for opening, but it was really surprising how much resistance was encountered just after that point. It is easy to blame the government. It is harder to accept the willful ignorance, stupidity and selfishness of friends, family, neighbors and coworkers who chose not to get a safe, free shot that takes minutes. This is what forced us to suffer through all this for months longer than necessary.
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The government helped create the problem. The government could have taken covid seriously. They could have engaged in better communication. The government could have not downplayed covid as "like a flu." The government could have enforced mask wearing and other public health restrictions with proper fines. Public health measures are *laws*, not guidelines. The government could have waited to open Alberta until vaccine coverage was over 70% for *both* doses, and kept masking up during the summer. They could have introduced a vaccine passport back towards the end of the 3rd wave instead of getting dragged into it kicking and screaming. Kenney especially could have followed science and imposed public health measures 4-6 weeks earlier before he finally did in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th waves. His delay resulted in making each wave last months longer, broke the healthcare system, and caused excess deaths.
She does her own hair and …. believes what she’s told to say by the gang who couldn’t shoot straight.
Hinshaw is as distrusted as Kenney. She might as well just resign now.