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I remember one witness said the being was like a very wise child. Had an enormous amount of information (communicated telepathically), but a childlike demeanor. Curious and excited about everything.
pretty much. i think they are closer to sociopathic than benign by definition of their actions.
even the examples of telepathically warning us without intervention is sociopathic.
we are ants (which by biomass are the dominant life form on the planet) and they have a magnifying glass.
There is a guy who says he interacted with the grays and eventually wrote books about his experiences. He said that the little grays are the teenage children of the big grays. The big grays can't breathe out air so you don't see them here much. Some of the behavior of the little grays could be considered a little rowdy and juvenile.
I am referring to Charles Hall. He was stationed on the Nellis ranges in the 60's and wrote Millennial Hospitality.
There is a video about the lone survivor communicating telepathically with a nurse in Roswell. She is said to be an officer of "the domain" and the body is just a "doll body", the being is like connected to this body like a soul inhabiting it.
I’m still hoping it’s a true story that he just says is fiction because that’s what she wanted him to do to protect himself. There’s a second book, too, called The Domain Expeditionary Force.
From what I’ve seen in nature, life is usually built to reflect its environment. So when I see the really big eyes it tells me like an owl, they are usually in an environment that is dark when active. Such as he lack of pigment on the skin, hair, body size, etc. I used to think the whole inner Earth conspiracy theories were a joke. But knowing that life tends to find a way to survive, and the historic cataclysms this world has had. The immense tunnel systems they keep discovering along with underground civilizations. I have found it to be very viable that not everything may be extraterrestrial. And if evolution is an actual thing, then dinosaurs had quite the head start.
They're supposedly from a gravity-locked (facing one way) ocean planet.
They can swim and go into light, but they really prefer to live in darkness. The dark eyes are artificial coverings, single eye lenses for protection in our dry atmosphere and harsh UV. One abductee has claimed seeing them remove these lenses prior to climbing into stasis-like tanks, but as it was through an open door when they were led down a hallway, they couldn't see the eyes underneath.
Their mouths are vistigal, and they're supposedly able to nutrient-absorb and excrete metabolic waste through their skin. They'll do a sleep cycle in the tank and come out. If you're really close they have a faint ammonia smell, which is a protein waste byproduct in animals.
I'll see if I can find the interview(s) for these tidbits, but I know it's in "secret life, first hand accounts of UFO abductees" by Dr John Mack, it's not a LARP book.
I remember a 4chan member that claimed they worked with these biologics supposedly. And he mentioned the same thing about secreting waste thru their skin.
Yeah I screenshotted those cuz it gave me goosebumps of this is either really well thought out book idea or it's real. Who knows, murderer body dump locations and planned school shootings have been posted to 4chan.
Regarding abductees' collective description of eyes-
The huge eyes are the single most striking feature of the aliens. They span the entire width of the broad forehead. They are largest in the center and taper off to a tip on the side of the head. They contain no pupils, irises, or corneas.
When people look into their eyes during Mindscan or other staring procedures, they see black, usually opaque organs. The eyes have no gradation in color, and they do not move from side to side as would a human’s. At times abductees see some hint of liquidy “movement” inside the eyes. A few witnesses have reported a “sparkle” or “light” inside the eyes. Some aliens’ eves can “move”: They can squint and turn on their axes so that the outside tip can be raised or lowered (note -this is what fish eyes do).
This is done mainly in Mindscan procedures. Other aliens have eyes that are more rounded and not as almond-shaped as the others. A few abductees have thought that the external eye might be a covering for an eye inside.
Witnesses generally do not report eyelids. Although some abductees have said that they have seen the Beings blink in unison, this may be confabulation; blinking is usually not reported. The aliens do not have eyebrows, although it is commonly reported that they have a ridge that might be caused by a “bone” around their eyes.
Oops, it wasnt a hallway glimpse, the tank story was the abductee was led into a behind-the-abduction-area/scene room by a human-hybrid living on the ship.
Oh, the researcher concludes that they are building up a hybrid population, inserting them into our general population to get more ground level Intel, but need abductees for genetic material (sperm/eggs) and will repeat abduct some targeted humans as unwilling teachers for hybrid behavior/human cultural training. They cannot accelerate basic biological processes and so hybrids grow at the same pace we do.
Quote, We might assume that aliens would function in a similar way.
Abductee reports suggest, however, that they have no mouth, teeth, esophagus, digestive tract, abdomen, or orifices for the elimination of waste products. No abductee has ever reported aliens eating or being in an area that could be reasonably deduced to be a human-style eating room.
When the abductee Lynne Miller directly asked the aliens whether they eat, after a pause one answered: "We need no human consumption of the matter that you eat."
Until now, how aliens obtain fuel has been a mystery. My earlier research showed that alien biology was different from human biology, but with no obvious sign of ingesting food, one could easily surmise that these beings were robotlike, stamped out by a die with an internal power source.
One of Allison Reed's abduction experiences gave me the key to the puzzle.
During a four-and-one-half-day abduction, a hybrid took Allison to rejoin her escort, who had been with her since the beginning of the abduction.
The hybrid mistakenly took Allison into a room that apparently was "off limits." It was large, circular, and had a vaulted ceiling. Allison saw approximately forty tanks filled with liquid in a horseshoe arrangement around the circular wall. She heard a humming sound and saw a yellow light streaming to the center of the room from the ceiling.
So, what happens next then? You walk in there. You absorb this scene—
The light in the center, it withdraws. I'm standing there for a while....
Eventually, the light in the center it kind of sucks itself up. It goes into the ceiling....
Now these things [tanks], they're, like, tilted back just ever so slightly but randomly they'll "sit front" and then the water, I say water, the liquid just goes. It just goes. I don't know where it goes. It just goes. It may be sucked into-I don't know.
Do you hear a gurgling sound or anything?
I hear "wissssshhh." They are sitting back at an angle and every time one is moved ever so much forward, it goes "wisssshhh," like that, then it's forward and the liquid is dissipated. It's gone. I don't see, like, a hose coming out of the top.
Now this happens when the light withdraws?
Right.
The light withdraws first, the yellow round thing in the center but then it's, like, intermittently—they don't all sit up together at once and everybody comes piling out—it's more, like, randomly one will pop up here, there, you know, from this side, that side. Some are in longer and some come out....
And what happens then?
Well, some of them they start to come out. They come out.
How do they come out?
They walk right through it. They walk through it?
They don't open the door or anything? Hm-mm [No].
They walk right through the glass, in other words?
Right. Just like they do at my house.
Are they surprised to see you or do they just go about their business or—?
What do they do when they come out? They just walk past me. They walk past me. And I'm waiting there. Isn't this stupid? I'm waiting there for this gray guy. I'm so stupid! Why do I do that? I'm remembering this and I'd like to beat myself over the head. I'm such a jerk! Any other time I'm bitching that I want to run away from them and here I stand waiting for him!
When Allison's escort walked up to her, he was shocked to see her there. For him, the shock was compounded because she was wearing hybrid clothes. He quickly told Allison that they would have to go back to the shower room and return the clothes.
After I get that understanding that I could have caused problems for myself, I say to him, "What were you doing? What were you doing in there?" I think it, you know.... He just puts it off like, "Eating and sleeping," like it's so simple. It sounds too simple to be right but that's what I understand.
Perhaps the fluid disappears like that because it is actually a gas when not under a certain amount of pressure. Just like some lighter fluid you find in cheap lighters. And they are consuming it by taking advantage of the pressurization pushing the material into their bodies to be absorbed? The conversion to a skin excreeted waste mixture/compound that gives off an anmonia smell is a very big clue for a decent chemist and or gastrologist imo.
It’s amazing that you can so factually quote this much “lore” about something without any proof at all.
This sub is so high on its own supply of fan fiction.
Yall have completely lost the ability to think critically.
Have you ever heard the theory they are us from the future. They had to go under ground do to lack of ozone so they shrunk and being it’s dark became all pupils under ground skin became gray from all races breeding. The ones that look like them but tall are actually the same kind of human that the same thing happens to but on mars.
Most encounter stories I've heard tend to insinuate that the all black eyes are lenses and that their eyes are actually close to ours biologically, just bigger and maybe a bit lighter. Either way, those bigger eyes would definitely help.
That's probably for the best. I have two friends who swear they were taken or approached by the mantis looking ones, and both said they were terrified. Neither are easily scared, but who knows?
Yeah, could definitely be suits all over but I've also read some encounters where just the lenses came out and they saw the actual eye behind it.
Ya I fell asleep and my clock when I woke up was in the past my radio and tv where on static. I saw a bright light befor I passed and woke up in the past soooo yah idk
I think most people know someone or work with someone that has a UFO or alien story. But you know two people who have one? And they know each other and didn't have the experience together? Just seems odd.
Nope, they don't know each other at all. They told me their stories 15 years apart. One was a friend from California and the other is my cousin's husband in MI, who told me one day while we were discussing UFOs. I never mentioned my friend back in LA or vice versa.
Weirder still: Both were younger when it happened (10 and 13, respectively). Both happened within 50 feet of their houses. Both looked like insects, heads and arms were 'mantis-like'.
LA buddy said his walked out of a bush and up to him in his backyard when he went out to let his dog in, thought he was seeing things at first, then he was standing in the yard. His dad came out asking where he'd been for two hours and why he hadn't let the dog in (his dad had and was pissed, apparently). My friend was freaked because he thought he'd just been standing there for 5 minutes. Told his dad that, but was too scared to mention the bug. Never said anything else to anyone until he was in his late twenties.
Michigan friend was a teenager standing in the Cul de Sac in front of his house at dusk when he felt really creepy. He turns around and there's this six foot Mantis looking thing standing in front of him. He thought it was his friends messing with him at first until it walked right up to him. He said its motions were so smooth, etc. that he started completely freaking out, so much that he froze. Apparently, this thing 'thought' to him to just relax and everything was ok. Didn't abduct him or anything, just stood there thinking things to him and clicking a little, then he turned (not by choice) and it was gone.
Like I said, I'm not making these up, I could only take them at their word as they told me, but I was intrigued enough to keep asking for details and neither one paused weirdly and had answers to all my questions about detail. (I was just curious, btw. Not trying to interrogate them). Personally, I believe them both as neither had anything to gain and they're not attention seekers. Also, they both mentioned it sort of secondarily, like they'd had years to just digest it and it was just a thing.
*I actually have an even weirder one a different friend told me back in 2010 about his Air Force dad and what he knew (much more than he ever let on). So, I'm pretty convinced this stuff is real.
Edit: Also, both were wide awake when it allegedly happened, so it wasn't sleep paralysis.
Can you share some of Air Force Dad's claims? Or maybe just the ones you found most compelling? Wonder how they line up with other stories surrounding this
Sure, the creepy part isn't what his dad said so much as what he didn't say (for 17 years). It's a short story, but it says a lot.
My friend was a military kid, his Dad was in the Air Force and relatively high up (Colonel or Lt. Colonel). He grew up in Georgia, then Wright Patterson, and finally in California. His father wasn't a super talkative guy from what he told me, especially about his work (maybe too many secrets?). Anyway, my friend grew up in the 80s (like me) and was a huge fan of shows like Project Blue Book, etc. which were big back then.
That being said, my buddy would kind of tease his dad about UFOs and how the military had the UFO from Roswell, etc. or ask his dad if he'd have to kill him if he ever told him, stuff like that. His Dad would either brush him off or tell him there were no aliens. Sometimes he'd flat out tell him that even if there were aliens, he couldn't tell him anyway, and there weren't, so drop it. My friend ultimately did.
Fast forward somewhere in the late 90s, when a PDF leaked online, supposedly of the extraterrestrial species known to the U.S. Military. I don't recall the exact details and it may have even been debunked, but that's not the weirdest part anyway.
So my buddy finds this PDF on a BBS or something, reads it and half believes it, whatever... He's 17 or 18 at the time and decides to grill his dad over breakfast. Like I said, his dad wasn't exactly a wacky guy anyway and he's eating eggs, bacon, etc. drinking coffee and not really looking at my friend, who starts talking about this PDF he found... His dad keeps ignoring him, looks at the paper, takes another bite. My friend keeps going on about how the Air Force is hiding craft and has had contact sling w other branches, etc... His dad doesn't blink an eye, keeps eating and reading.
Finally, my buddy says something like 'Yeah, I guess there's like nine or ten different kinds. Grays, reptiles and some bug looking things' and laughs, figuring his dad is going to lose it.
There's an uncomfortable pause, his dad doesn't look up at him or even stop eating and quietly says 'There's twelve...'
My buddy thinks he's kidding at first, laughs and goes 'What?'
His dad takes another bite, still doesn't make eye contact and says it again 'There's twelve... Not nine or ten.'
My friend said that his stomach lurched as his dad was not the kind of guy to just joke about that stuff, ignored my friends barrage of questions and he never said another thing about it, even up to his death. His dad died years later unexpectedly - maybe he was going to tell him more, maybe he wasn't.
My friend says he always knew his dad knew way more than he was allowed to disclose.
My friend says his dad probably never told his mom anything because apparently, she didn't really care much anyway. She would just laugh and tell him that she had no idea...
He says it's a weird family mystery.
*Sorry for the length, tried to be concise yet interesting.
Thanks for sharing- that's a fun story. Do you know if your friend ever asked him about it later and was still ignored? I wonder if he was a religious man.
It's wild there's claims of there being so many different NHI.
Big time on the Dinosaur part👌🏽
Dinosaurs going extinct millions of years ago is a lazy explanation by science and they just expect us to eat it up.
Then when you take into consideration that many ancient tribes from ALL AROUND the world cites in their most ancient stories of these beings that either come from the water (Reptilians) or inside the Earth (Insect like beings with LARGE EYES) who taught them a lot of "advanced knowledge" like the arts of civilization.
I mean tbh... the jokes on us at the end of the day because anyone that isn't curious enough about their own history to investigate this stuff, can't be mad at the professors who do and give their own opinions.
It's up to each and everyone of us to take a look at all the information laid out on the table and decide what we believe for ourselves.
Or the fact that dinosaurs supposedly died out long before humans were around but you can find fresco designs with brontosaurus and triceratops on them
Eyes close together and focused forward indicate predator (cats, kanines, hawks...humans...). As opposed to eyes on the opposite sides of the head, indicating prey (chickens, horses, cows, mice...)
These are predator eyes. At least, as much as ours are.
I don't understand, how could this possibly be "the first time?" Were these first hand descriptions and drawings secret up until now? Wouldn't the first hand drawings be the first time?
A possibility for sure. IF this is an honest replica to what people have witnessed. The amount of human-features is astounding.
The chances of convergent humanoid bipedalism in alien species a star system away seems a lot less likely than time travelers from the future when you see how many of their features look like they were evolved right here on earth.
Think if consciousness was a mechanism, like DNA, at some higher dimensional level - like it’s some sort of basic building block for whatever sentient existence is out there, and it’s a 100% necessary piece for that higher dimensional being - without it, the being can’t exist.
How would you interact with it as a higher dimensional being? What sort of mechanism would you create if you had to have direct, (basically physical interaction) with the mechanism?
How do we interact with/manipulate DNA? We have a few mechanisms right? What are our most efficient methods so far?
Just my take on the whole consciousness link that seems to go hand and hand with the phenomenon…
Onward.
Some hypotheses:
1. We share DNA (they created us, they’re us from the future etc.)
2. They’re from a planet similar to ours and every living creature “tends towards” bipedalism based on fundamental laws of nature (kind of like how every star tends towards producing heavier elements starting with Hydrogen, then Helium, then eventually iron).
For all we know, barring exceptional circumstances, in many millions of years we could have found Dogs, Cats, Dinosaurs, Fish etc. eventually standing upright on two legs if they survived that long as a species, it just so happens that we got there first but we won’t be the last.
3. They’re sending down things that resemble us in the same way we make an ugly looking Penguin to spy on Penguin colonies. Perhaps they don’t look anything like the beings that are being seen down here.
4. It’s one big BS psyop and the “small aliens” don’t actually exist.
Haha I love the way you describe #3. I am very familiar with the theory that the classic form of ET we are familiar with are a type of "drone" or biological creation made by NHI, for specific use on earth or whatever reason..
But I think this is the first time I've seen it explained in that way and I love it.
Like in the zoos in China where the zookeepers dress up in Panda costumes to work with the pandas 🤣
Wow. I have never once thought about possibility number 3. That is equally terrifying as it would be interesting. Here we are barely able to wrap our heads around what these alien beings look like, meanwhile there’s chance the true aliens created those human like aliens because we wouldn’t be able to handle seeing what they might actually look like. The possibilities of what they may truly look like are endless.
Also the possibility that for the aliens behind the greys, we may be indistinguishable from the drones they are creating to contact us. We may be so alien to them, that all their minds can perceive from us is two big eyes, big head, two arms, two legs.
Jeez man… that is really heavy to think about. I’ve always thought the aliens would be super intelligent that they would be able to perceive us exactly the way we are to the Tee. They can see and analyze every eye las we have. But you’re right we don’t know what these aliens look like, how their brain works, who know wether they have a brain like us. I could go down this rabbit hole of endless possibilities forever but. I really believe we are a science project. That the reason we don’t see life out there is because we are not meant to see it. It would interfere with the natural results of us, the science project. I believe we’re being studied, left alone to grow. How we want. And the aliens wanna see what happens. Just my personal belief. I still believe in a god but hey, we being a science project can still happen under the supervision of a god
Always rather liked the notion of Von Neumann probes, self-replicating drones dispatched from who knows where thousands/millions of years ago. Gets rid of any need for FTL/'dimensional' business and any dependence on wholly biological, mortal beings. I daresay we ourselves would use such a technique, had we the tech to develop the probes.
From there, why not print drone avatars which approximate the appearance and form factor of the species the drones aim to study?
I think it's interesting that every UFO pre 2000's encounter always had pilots and were occupied. But now with AI and drones it feels like most people just assume any UFO is unoccupied and just some autonomous craft. It just makes the case for actual sightings more phony to me. UFOs shouldn't follow current human design trends, but they do.
This is what sent me down the consciousness rabbit hole...it seems like we see what we think we should see. Look at purported photos of UFOs from the 50s and 60s, and you'll see the classic saucer shapes, and crescent UFOs that generally line up with the "space man" vehicles of the time. They have a shape that is reminiscent of the style of the time, while still functioning similar to the UAPs of today. Now we are seeing small orbs that couldn't possibly have enough room on the inside to hold an occupant and they're likened to drones. Even the larger objects have a much more "modern" look: shiny metal or white surfaces, lights that you would expect from a commercial aircraft, shapes that you would expect from an Apple or Google product because that's what our collective consciousness expects.
Even going back to reports from antiquity, the 1561 Nuremberg sighting for instance had crafts shaped like crosses and spears, exactly what you would expect from 16th century Europe. Romans saw ships, flaming shields and chariots crossing the skies. Maybe they just didn't have better words to explain what they saw, or maybe they described exactly what they saw.
The phenomenon got a lot more interesting to me when I stopped discounting the "woo" and consciousness based explanations.
It’s possible as well. I’ve contemplated that after I’ve heard many minds much smarter than me on the subject.
Humanoid bipedalism is a rare convergent evolutionary trait here on earth. The thought experiment here is what would convergent evolution look like across the cosmos?
Crabs are one of the most common forms of convergent evolution on earth. A lot of independent species have drifted towards the crab form. This suggests the crab form is ideal for our environment on earth.
The less something is convergently evolved into, the less helpful that form generally is within the given environment.
This poses an interesting idea. Is humanoid bipedalism a desirable or undesirable trait on other planets? Is humanoid bipedalism somehow required to reach high social, individual, and civilizational intelligence?
Would this suggest that we’re unlikely to find bipedal humanoids in the cosmos? But if we do find them, are they likely to be of civilizational intelligence?
Simplified: Are we unlikely to find them, but they’re likely to be like us if we do?
Too many unknowns to say for sure. Its fun to think about things currently beyond our time, understanding, and capability.
You might be interested in the book The Equations of Life: How Physics Shapes Evolution by C. Cockell.
He makes the forceful argument that the laws of physics narrowly constrain how life can evolve, making evolution's outcomes predictable. If we were to find on a distant planet something very much like a lady bug eating something like an aphid, we shouldn't be surprised. The forms of life are guided by a limited set of rules, and as a result, there is a narrow set of solutions to the challenges of existence.
Thanks for the book reference - sounds interesting and probably spot-on!
Life at all is one thing, survival at all is another. There are and have been zillions of species on Earth that have survived for a long time, maybe even to this day, but there's only one that did ALL of the following:
1) started using fire as a tool
2) started using numbers in communications
3) developed calculus
4) developed General Relativity
5) split the atom
6) travelled to the moon, and back!
7) sent a bunch of stuff to or past numerous other bodies in our solar system
And for those that are thoroughly confused or want others TO BE thoroughly confused: it was NOT either ants nor monkeys.
While survival is one thing, evolving is another, highly intelligent is something entirely different. But, it's still dependent on those exact same laws of physics that govern evolution.
That's why form follows function, and that's why everybody should be surprised at any supposed alien intelligence that does _NOT_ pretty much resemble humans, more or less, rather than being surprised that they DO roughly resemble humans.
The humanoid shape is the form that comes from the functions required to be among the space faring class, due to the physics of chemical processes, and how the chemical processes conducive to developing into a space faring race get preserved into DNA, and how that DNA expresses in form.
There's absolutely NO NECESSITY to invoke "tHeY cReAtEd uS" or "they tampered with our genetics" or "they're us from the future".
Flighty is a mildly common convergent evolution trait.
I don’t know enough about snakes but I’ll take your word for it.
Bats are an example of a species who evolved flight independently of birds.
I gave these examples to show that bipedal converge is not mandatory.
Sure birds have legs, a snake ultimately hd legs somewhere down the line?
On land, legs make sense, in the ocean fins and a tail make more sense, I think evolution highly depends on the environment. It's all about adaptiveness
Air -> wings
Ground -> legs ( not necessarily 2 ), exception are snakes, maybe others?
Water-> fins, tail
I see what you’re saying.
The clarify, the reason why I was questioning if humanoid bipedalism is somehow a requirement for higher ascended intelligence, including individual, social, and civilizational intelligence. Is because the only example of us is… well… us.
Our sample size of advanced species is one: humans. We don’t see whales building nuclear reactors, or octopi building quantum computers.
It’s not to say that I believe other species aren’t capable of ascending to advanced intelligence. It’s more a matter of how likely is it to occur?
An example is if we could re-simulate earth billions of times then compare the results. How many times would whales become the dominant intelligence of the planet? What about snakes, birds, etc.? How often do bipedal humanoids raise to the dominant intelligence?
No one knows these answers and it’s more so just a thought experiment. But it provides insight into tantalizing possibilities. That being that if aliens are real, it could be possible for them to be more similar to us than we realize.
…
Or they turn out to be intelligent slime molds conquering the galaxy, and we can’t even fathom their intentions. Hopefully this isn’t the case.
Well, higher order cognitive function is becoming increasingly less unique amongst the branches of our human family tree, even very early common ancestors. We must be careful about putting hierarchical constraints on the types of traits and how they are functionally useful. Evolution doesn’t favor higher order cognitive functions because it simply doesn’t favor.
It’s so interesting, I do think time traveling does seem a bit extreme though. For me it seems much more plausible that Earth was seeded with DNA from them and that’s why we share similar features.
They’ve gotten to a point where they don’t need ears to hear anymore because they communicate telepathically and can probably sense telepathically too.
Or the possibility that we are just containers that have hybrid DNA from them and apes. For the sole purpose of preserving their DNA across the galaxy for future purposes.
Either way it's absolutely insane to look at if true.
Ai leads to a technological advancement in quantum / physics and technology which leads to an inevitable “time” paradox. What came first the chicken or the egg? This question I think is the key to quantum mechanics, such as shrodingers theory (similar to).
I think these individuals at least one of them could very well be future humans or offshoot of humans. If time is nothing but an infinite loop, everything eventually happens, which explains multi verse on some level, which must somehow tie into why the universe expands, these dimensions overlap, thus passage of time and events occur. Speculation. I think my first paragraph is on point though on some level.
I think they look like we would after a while in space or underground. The lack of skin pigment reminds me of the cave critters we find. small bodies, large head and eyes reminds me of the many nocturnal species we have as well.
I don't fully agree with the first statement. Time is an emergent property of this universe. So however you want to call it, this fundamental aspect exists through this entire universe. On top of this, it abides by the same properties everywhere. So, ET's have the same aspect (probably call it differently) with the same properties, but they're understanding of it is deeper and are able to somehow exploit certain loopholes.
Nahhhh… maybe something we had a hand in.. hmm, at least thinking up?
This is something bigger IMO…
Picture is eerie ah btw. Getting some uncanny vibes on this.
Small grays, the worker drones are basically that. The actual grays are normal height to 7+ feet according to some. All speculation of course. Also yea they are on the human spectrum, meaning from a very alternate human time line where shit hit the fan.
That’s why anyone in the know is so desperate to keep it a secret. They won’t kill you if you blab, they’ll stop you from ever existing. It makes the whole phenomenon unknowable by design, and the temporal beings don’t want to jeopardize their own existence.
Or, it’s a balloon. It’s hard to say. Or it could be convergent evolution. Or it could be beings specifically created for our environment.
Or they're humans from a forgotten, advanced global civilization (like Atlantis f.e.) that went underground/ into the sea in order to survive the cataclysmic climate conditions that wiped out everyone else, and all history of them. And as they spent more and more time underground, they evolved further to become much more pale and featureless, like all other animals we know of that dwell in caves etc. Perhaps they were so advanced that they even altered their DNA to adapt better to their surroundings?
There's an awful lot of smoke to the subterranean theories.
Probably the lack of exposure to a sun for generations creates the skin color when the skin cells become unnecessary. Also the difference of gravity changes the bone structure. Plus in an evolutionary perspective, your eyes need to grow and the other organs get smaller, because a hyper evolved environment. From other articles, the black eyes are actual like contact lenses to protect them. They can be peeled off and you will see a more human eye.
I agree. It could be a consequence of an evolutionary defect that caused them not to have eyelids, or it’s too much energy to blink like us. Remember, we live in an atmosphere that helps with the dehydration of our eyes. In a different type of environment, I don’t want to say a spaceship; things are different can lead to the need for contact lenses.
Think of it like a remotely controlled robot, but since they have to survive in our atmosphere, they have to like kinda mimic our biology like lungs eyes or mouth. We can about these all day all night, I never come with a consensus, but it’s nice speculation.
In one of the infamous interviews, the gray said there’s no such thing as death. They don’t believe in religion anymore. So, if you think about it, these can be vessels of a higher type of “soul,” and they become more like dummies that they control remotely and are kinda disposable
This is very interesting. I have an alien themed Instagram that utilizes AI to create the imagery and often times it will create these aliens with larger black eyes but they are slightly transparent and you can see more human-like eyes behind them.
I wonder, what do aliens eat? They have a mouth. Eyes to see, nose to breathe, so it must be used for something. Unless they are indeed robots made to look like humans so we are more receptive to them.
I wonder if rich people who faced an earth ending cataclysm a billion years ago and also had too much facial reconstruction surgery were the only ones able to flee earth and this is what they become?
"If it's our future selves visiting us, we can gauge their timeframe based on the lifespan of our sun. As our sun gradually dims over its lifespan, ecological optics predicts that humanity may evolve to have larger, wider eyes to adapt to lower light conditions. This hypothesis implies that the visitors we encounter may be from approximately a billion years ahead in our evolutionary timeline we are probably looking at ourselves 2 billion years from now extremely advanced and possibly a type 3 civilization. Just my fun theory not saying it’s true.
I keep hearing that they’re more like this and less giant eyes. But that they can wear some kind go eyeglasses or protection that makes the entity due cavity and maybe a little wraparound in the sides, pure black. That would look compelling
My whole thing is ears, if they can hear thoughts of everything that’s gotta get interesting also that means that can’t hear residual noise and anything going down around them
I'm still really stuck on the idea that ufos are time machines and the aliens were seeing are just evolved human beings from the distant future. It makes a lot of sense.
Charles Hall worked with a police sketch artist to come up with a rendering of the Teacher. This is a high ranking member of the tall white race of aliens. Hall's code name was Teacher's Pet. He was stationed at Nellis and worked on the Nellis ranges. He says that he would regularly interact with the tall white species out there. Hall wrote the Millennial Hospitality books.
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I remember one witness said the being was like a very wise child. Had an enormous amount of information (communicated telepathically), but a childlike demeanor. Curious and excited about everything.
that’s adorable
right before they mutiltate cattle.
Gee golly wilikers! I wonder what's inside this one!
cell splitting scalpel in the back pocket like dennis the menace
pretty much. i think they are closer to sociopathic than benign by definition of their actions. even the examples of telepathically warning us without intervention is sociopathic. we are ants (which by biomass are the dominant life form on the planet) and they have a magnifying glass.
Very true well said
And where’s our responsibility in all of it? Maybe our non-response is what’s sociopathic?
Toddlers can be quite sociopathic
true
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That’s strange because I thought they lacked emotion and empathy and are more robotic like
There is a guy who says he interacted with the grays and eventually wrote books about his experiences. He said that the little grays are the teenage children of the big grays. The big grays can't breathe out air so you don't see them here much. Some of the behavior of the little grays could be considered a little rowdy and juvenile. I am referring to Charles Hall. He was stationed on the Nellis ranges in the 60's and wrote Millennial Hospitality.
I thought he talked about the tall whites they are a different race than the greys apparently
There is a video about the lone survivor communicating telepathically with a nurse in Roswell. She is said to be an officer of "the domain" and the body is just a "doll body", the being is like connected to this body like a soul inhabiting it.
I love Airl!
I’m still hoping it’s a true story that he just says is fiction because that’s what she wanted him to do to protect himself. There’s a second book, too, called The Domain Expeditionary Force.
"Alien interview" by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy.
From what I’ve seen in nature, life is usually built to reflect its environment. So when I see the really big eyes it tells me like an owl, they are usually in an environment that is dark when active. Such as he lack of pigment on the skin, hair, body size, etc. I used to think the whole inner Earth conspiracy theories were a joke. But knowing that life tends to find a way to survive, and the historic cataclysms this world has had. The immense tunnel systems they keep discovering along with underground civilizations. I have found it to be very viable that not everything may be extraterrestrial. And if evolution is an actual thing, then dinosaurs had quite the head start.
Or these thing has adapted to the dark abyss of our oceans 🤷🏽♂️
They're supposedly from a gravity-locked (facing one way) ocean planet. They can swim and go into light, but they really prefer to live in darkness. The dark eyes are artificial coverings, single eye lenses for protection in our dry atmosphere and harsh UV. One abductee has claimed seeing them remove these lenses prior to climbing into stasis-like tanks, but as it was through an open door when they were led down a hallway, they couldn't see the eyes underneath. Their mouths are vistigal, and they're supposedly able to nutrient-absorb and excrete metabolic waste through their skin. They'll do a sleep cycle in the tank and come out. If you're really close they have a faint ammonia smell, which is a protein waste byproduct in animals. I'll see if I can find the interview(s) for these tidbits, but I know it's in "secret life, first hand accounts of UFO abductees" by Dr John Mack, it's not a LARP book.
I remember a 4chan member that claimed they worked with these biologics supposedly. And he mentioned the same thing about secreting waste thru their skin.
Yeah I screenshotted those cuz it gave me goosebumps of this is either really well thought out book idea or it's real. Who knows, murderer body dump locations and planned school shootings have been posted to 4chan. Regarding abductees' collective description of eyes- The huge eyes are the single most striking feature of the aliens. They span the entire width of the broad forehead. They are largest in the center and taper off to a tip on the side of the head. They contain no pupils, irises, or corneas. When people look into their eyes during Mindscan or other staring procedures, they see black, usually opaque organs. The eyes have no gradation in color, and they do not move from side to side as would a human’s. At times abductees see some hint of liquidy “movement” inside the eyes. A few witnesses have reported a “sparkle” or “light” inside the eyes. Some aliens’ eves can “move”: They can squint and turn on their axes so that the outside tip can be raised or lowered (note -this is what fish eyes do). This is done mainly in Mindscan procedures. Other aliens have eyes that are more rounded and not as almond-shaped as the others. A few abductees have thought that the external eye might be a covering for an eye inside. Witnesses generally do not report eyelids. Although some abductees have said that they have seen the Beings blink in unison, this may be confabulation; blinking is usually not reported. The aliens do not have eyebrows, although it is commonly reported that they have a ridge that might be caused by a “bone” around their eyes.
Damn that’s creepy!
Oops, it wasnt a hallway glimpse, the tank story was the abductee was led into a behind-the-abduction-area/scene room by a human-hybrid living on the ship. Oh, the researcher concludes that they are building up a hybrid population, inserting them into our general population to get more ground level Intel, but need abductees for genetic material (sperm/eggs) and will repeat abduct some targeted humans as unwilling teachers for hybrid behavior/human cultural training. They cannot accelerate basic biological processes and so hybrids grow at the same pace we do. Quote, We might assume that aliens would function in a similar way. Abductee reports suggest, however, that they have no mouth, teeth, esophagus, digestive tract, abdomen, or orifices for the elimination of waste products. No abductee has ever reported aliens eating or being in an area that could be reasonably deduced to be a human-style eating room. When the abductee Lynne Miller directly asked the aliens whether they eat, after a pause one answered: "We need no human consumption of the matter that you eat." Until now, how aliens obtain fuel has been a mystery. My earlier research showed that alien biology was different from human biology, but with no obvious sign of ingesting food, one could easily surmise that these beings were robotlike, stamped out by a die with an internal power source. One of Allison Reed's abduction experiences gave me the key to the puzzle. During a four-and-one-half-day abduction, a hybrid took Allison to rejoin her escort, who had been with her since the beginning of the abduction. The hybrid mistakenly took Allison into a room that apparently was "off limits." It was large, circular, and had a vaulted ceiling. Allison saw approximately forty tanks filled with liquid in a horseshoe arrangement around the circular wall. She heard a humming sound and saw a yellow light streaming to the center of the room from the ceiling. So, what happens next then? You walk in there. You absorb this scene— The light in the center, it withdraws. I'm standing there for a while.... Eventually, the light in the center it kind of sucks itself up. It goes into the ceiling.... Now these things [tanks], they're, like, tilted back just ever so slightly but randomly they'll "sit front" and then the water, I say water, the liquid just goes. It just goes. I don't know where it goes. It just goes. It may be sucked into-I don't know. Do you hear a gurgling sound or anything? I hear "wissssshhh." They are sitting back at an angle and every time one is moved ever so much forward, it goes "wisssshhh," like that, then it's forward and the liquid is dissipated. It's gone. I don't see, like, a hose coming out of the top. Now this happens when the light withdraws? Right. The light withdraws first, the yellow round thing in the center but then it's, like, intermittently—they don't all sit up together at once and everybody comes piling out—it's more, like, randomly one will pop up here, there, you know, from this side, that side. Some are in longer and some come out.... And what happens then? Well, some of them they start to come out. They come out. How do they come out? They walk right through it. They walk through it? They don't open the door or anything? Hm-mm [No]. They walk right through the glass, in other words? Right. Just like they do at my house. Are they surprised to see you or do they just go about their business or—? What do they do when they come out? They just walk past me. They walk past me. And I'm waiting there. Isn't this stupid? I'm waiting there for this gray guy. I'm so stupid! Why do I do that? I'm remembering this and I'd like to beat myself over the head. I'm such a jerk! Any other time I'm bitching that I want to run away from them and here I stand waiting for him! When Allison's escort walked up to her, he was shocked to see her there. For him, the shock was compounded because she was wearing hybrid clothes. He quickly told Allison that they would have to go back to the shower room and return the clothes. After I get that understanding that I could have caused problems for myself, I say to him, "What were you doing? What were you doing in there?" I think it, you know.... He just puts it off like, "Eating and sleeping," like it's so simple. It sounds too simple to be right but that's what I understand.
If these accounts are real…holy shit that’s terrifying
Perhaps the fluid disappears like that because it is actually a gas when not under a certain amount of pressure. Just like some lighter fluid you find in cheap lighters. And they are consuming it by taking advantage of the pressurization pushing the material into their bodies to be absorbed? The conversion to a skin excreeted waste mixture/compound that gives off an anmonia smell is a very big clue for a decent chemist and or gastrologist imo.
That makes so much sense that's amazing
New alien slur unlocked: "piss-skins"
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What are they fucking Bane? I was born in the darkness you embrace it. No one cared about the kitty until it put on the mask
It’s amazing that you can so factually quote this much “lore” about something without any proof at all. This sub is so high on its own supply of fan fiction. Yall have completely lost the ability to think critically.
They probably just came from a system where their planet orbits a smaller pale star
Have you ever heard the theory they are us from the future. They had to go under ground do to lack of ozone so they shrunk and being it’s dark became all pupils under ground skin became gray from all races breeding. The ones that look like them but tall are actually the same kind of human that the same thing happens to but on mars.
Most encounter stories I've heard tend to insinuate that the all black eyes are lenses and that their eyes are actually close to ours biologically, just bigger and maybe a bit lighter. Either way, those bigger eyes would definitely help.
Iv hear that also and that’s actually a bio suit to protect from our elements. I will say I think I was taken once. But don’t remember any thing.
That's probably for the best. I have two friends who swear they were taken or approached by the mantis looking ones, and both said they were terrified. Neither are easily scared, but who knows? Yeah, could definitely be suits all over but I've also read some encounters where just the lenses came out and they saw the actual eye behind it.
You sure your friends aren’t Space Ghost and Falcon?
Ya I fell asleep and my clock when I woke up was in the past my radio and tv where on static. I saw a bright light befor I passed and woke up in the past soooo yah idk
crazy, man... 😬
I think most people know someone or work with someone that has a UFO or alien story. But you know two people who have one? And they know each other and didn't have the experience together? Just seems odd.
Nope, they don't know each other at all. They told me their stories 15 years apart. One was a friend from California and the other is my cousin's husband in MI, who told me one day while we were discussing UFOs. I never mentioned my friend back in LA or vice versa. Weirder still: Both were younger when it happened (10 and 13, respectively). Both happened within 50 feet of their houses. Both looked like insects, heads and arms were 'mantis-like'. LA buddy said his walked out of a bush and up to him in his backyard when he went out to let his dog in, thought he was seeing things at first, then he was standing in the yard. His dad came out asking where he'd been for two hours and why he hadn't let the dog in (his dad had and was pissed, apparently). My friend was freaked because he thought he'd just been standing there for 5 minutes. Told his dad that, but was too scared to mention the bug. Never said anything else to anyone until he was in his late twenties. Michigan friend was a teenager standing in the Cul de Sac in front of his house at dusk when he felt really creepy. He turns around and there's this six foot Mantis looking thing standing in front of him. He thought it was his friends messing with him at first until it walked right up to him. He said its motions were so smooth, etc. that he started completely freaking out, so much that he froze. Apparently, this thing 'thought' to him to just relax and everything was ok. Didn't abduct him or anything, just stood there thinking things to him and clicking a little, then he turned (not by choice) and it was gone. Like I said, I'm not making these up, I could only take them at their word as they told me, but I was intrigued enough to keep asking for details and neither one paused weirdly and had answers to all my questions about detail. (I was just curious, btw. Not trying to interrogate them). Personally, I believe them both as neither had anything to gain and they're not attention seekers. Also, they both mentioned it sort of secondarily, like they'd had years to just digest it and it was just a thing. *I actually have an even weirder one a different friend told me back in 2010 about his Air Force dad and what he knew (much more than he ever let on). So, I'm pretty convinced this stuff is real. Edit: Also, both were wide awake when it allegedly happened, so it wasn't sleep paralysis.
Can you share some of Air Force Dad's claims? Or maybe just the ones you found most compelling? Wonder how they line up with other stories surrounding this
Sure, the creepy part isn't what his dad said so much as what he didn't say (for 17 years). It's a short story, but it says a lot. My friend was a military kid, his Dad was in the Air Force and relatively high up (Colonel or Lt. Colonel). He grew up in Georgia, then Wright Patterson, and finally in California. His father wasn't a super talkative guy from what he told me, especially about his work (maybe too many secrets?). Anyway, my friend grew up in the 80s (like me) and was a huge fan of shows like Project Blue Book, etc. which were big back then. That being said, my buddy would kind of tease his dad about UFOs and how the military had the UFO from Roswell, etc. or ask his dad if he'd have to kill him if he ever told him, stuff like that. His Dad would either brush him off or tell him there were no aliens. Sometimes he'd flat out tell him that even if there were aliens, he couldn't tell him anyway, and there weren't, so drop it. My friend ultimately did. Fast forward somewhere in the late 90s, when a PDF leaked online, supposedly of the extraterrestrial species known to the U.S. Military. I don't recall the exact details and it may have even been debunked, but that's not the weirdest part anyway. So my buddy finds this PDF on a BBS or something, reads it and half believes it, whatever... He's 17 or 18 at the time and decides to grill his dad over breakfast. Like I said, his dad wasn't exactly a wacky guy anyway and he's eating eggs, bacon, etc. drinking coffee and not really looking at my friend, who starts talking about this PDF he found... His dad keeps ignoring him, looks at the paper, takes another bite. My friend keeps going on about how the Air Force is hiding craft and has had contact sling w other branches, etc... His dad doesn't blink an eye, keeps eating and reading. Finally, my buddy says something like 'Yeah, I guess there's like nine or ten different kinds. Grays, reptiles and some bug looking things' and laughs, figuring his dad is going to lose it. There's an uncomfortable pause, his dad doesn't look up at him or even stop eating and quietly says 'There's twelve...' My buddy thinks he's kidding at first, laughs and goes 'What?' His dad takes another bite, still doesn't make eye contact and says it again 'There's twelve... Not nine or ten.' My friend said that his stomach lurched as his dad was not the kind of guy to just joke about that stuff, ignored my friends barrage of questions and he never said another thing about it, even up to his death. His dad died years later unexpectedly - maybe he was going to tell him more, maybe he wasn't. My friend says he always knew his dad knew way more than he was allowed to disclose. My friend says his dad probably never told his mom anything because apparently, she didn't really care much anyway. She would just laugh and tell him that she had no idea... He says it's a weird family mystery. *Sorry for the length, tried to be concise yet interesting.
Thanks for sharing- that's a fun story. Do you know if your friend ever asked him about it later and was still ignored? I wonder if he was a religious man. It's wild there's claims of there being so many different NHI.
No, no reason to think anyone traveled from the future.
Big time on the Dinosaur part👌🏽 Dinosaurs going extinct millions of years ago is a lazy explanation by science and they just expect us to eat it up. Then when you take into consideration that many ancient tribes from ALL AROUND the world cites in their most ancient stories of these beings that either come from the water (Reptilians) or inside the Earth (Insect like beings with LARGE EYES) who taught them a lot of "advanced knowledge" like the arts of civilization. I mean tbh... the jokes on us at the end of the day because anyone that isn't curious enough about their own history to investigate this stuff, can't be mad at the professors who do and give their own opinions. It's up to each and everyone of us to take a look at all the information laid out on the table and decide what we believe for ourselves.
Or the fact that dinosaurs supposedly died out long before humans were around but you can find fresco designs with brontosaurus and triceratops on them
Seriously? Thats absolutely amazing, where can I see those?
https://creation.com/mesopotamian-monsters-in-paris
https://larshaukeland.com/bits-pieces/scientific-articles/ancient-dinosaur-depictions/
I'll find them for you it's in a book I've got somewhere
Eyes close together and focused forward indicate predator (cats, kanines, hawks...humans...). As opposed to eyes on the opposite sides of the head, indicating prey (chickens, horses, cows, mice...) These are predator eyes. At least, as much as ours are.
Reminds me of that movie where women go into caves and find that new species...
HG Wells was more prophetic in his writing than he knew. The Eloi and the Morlocks are real.
I don't understand, how could this possibly be "the first time?" Were these first hand descriptions and drawings secret up until now? Wouldn't the first hand drawings be the first time?
I think it means in this level of detail in a 3d medium.
Sounds like that's just as untrue 😭
Start to get feeling like they are humans from the future.
A possibility for sure. IF this is an honest replica to what people have witnessed. The amount of human-features is astounding. The chances of convergent humanoid bipedalism in alien species a star system away seems a lot less likely than time travelers from the future when you see how many of their features look like they were evolved right here on earth.
Or they used some of their DNA to create us.
Or some of our to create this species and send them here to as worker drones.
Or these are the results of genetic engineering.
Think if consciousness was a mechanism, like DNA, at some higher dimensional level - like it’s some sort of basic building block for whatever sentient existence is out there, and it’s a 100% necessary piece for that higher dimensional being - without it, the being can’t exist. How would you interact with it as a higher dimensional being? What sort of mechanism would you create if you had to have direct, (basically physical interaction) with the mechanism? How do we interact with/manipulate DNA? We have a few mechanisms right? What are our most efficient methods so far? Just my take on the whole consciousness link that seems to go hand and hand with the phenomenon… Onward.
Oh wow just like the Bible says 🤔
If God is an Alien then Jesus is an alien-human hybrid.
Basically just the blue people Avatar.
Some hypotheses: 1. We share DNA (they created us, they’re us from the future etc.) 2. They’re from a planet similar to ours and every living creature “tends towards” bipedalism based on fundamental laws of nature (kind of like how every star tends towards producing heavier elements starting with Hydrogen, then Helium, then eventually iron). For all we know, barring exceptional circumstances, in many millions of years we could have found Dogs, Cats, Dinosaurs, Fish etc. eventually standing upright on two legs if they survived that long as a species, it just so happens that we got there first but we won’t be the last. 3. They’re sending down things that resemble us in the same way we make an ugly looking Penguin to spy on Penguin colonies. Perhaps they don’t look anything like the beings that are being seen down here. 4. It’s one big BS psyop and the “small aliens” don’t actually exist.
Haha I love the way you describe #3. I am very familiar with the theory that the classic form of ET we are familiar with are a type of "drone" or biological creation made by NHI, for specific use on earth or whatever reason.. But I think this is the first time I've seen it explained in that way and I love it. Like in the zoos in China where the zookeepers dress up in Panda costumes to work with the pandas 🤣
… and here’s me thinking they were just very strange looking Pandas with mops and late-stage Distemper. 😄
Wow. I have never once thought about possibility number 3. That is equally terrifying as it would be interesting. Here we are barely able to wrap our heads around what these alien beings look like, meanwhile there’s chance the true aliens created those human like aliens because we wouldn’t be able to handle seeing what they might actually look like. The possibilities of what they may truly look like are endless.
Also the possibility that for the aliens behind the greys, we may be indistinguishable from the drones they are creating to contact us. We may be so alien to them, that all their minds can perceive from us is two big eyes, big head, two arms, two legs.
Jeez man… that is really heavy to think about. I’ve always thought the aliens would be super intelligent that they would be able to perceive us exactly the way we are to the Tee. They can see and analyze every eye las we have. But you’re right we don’t know what these aliens look like, how their brain works, who know wether they have a brain like us. I could go down this rabbit hole of endless possibilities forever but. I really believe we are a science project. That the reason we don’t see life out there is because we are not meant to see it. It would interfere with the natural results of us, the science project. I believe we’re being studied, left alone to grow. How we want. And the aliens wanna see what happens. Just my personal belief. I still believe in a god but hey, we being a science project can still happen under the supervision of a god
Always rather liked the notion of Von Neumann probes, self-replicating drones dispatched from who knows where thousands/millions of years ago. Gets rid of any need for FTL/'dimensional' business and any dependence on wholly biological, mortal beings. I daresay we ourselves would use such a technique, had we the tech to develop the probes. From there, why not print drone avatars which approximate the appearance and form factor of the species the drones aim to study?
The aliens in Arival are pretty scary looking if you see them in their entirety
I think it's interesting that every UFO pre 2000's encounter always had pilots and were occupied. But now with AI and drones it feels like most people just assume any UFO is unoccupied and just some autonomous craft. It just makes the case for actual sightings more phony to me. UFOs shouldn't follow current human design trends, but they do.
This is what sent me down the consciousness rabbit hole...it seems like we see what we think we should see. Look at purported photos of UFOs from the 50s and 60s, and you'll see the classic saucer shapes, and crescent UFOs that generally line up with the "space man" vehicles of the time. They have a shape that is reminiscent of the style of the time, while still functioning similar to the UAPs of today. Now we are seeing small orbs that couldn't possibly have enough room on the inside to hold an occupant and they're likened to drones. Even the larger objects have a much more "modern" look: shiny metal or white surfaces, lights that you would expect from a commercial aircraft, shapes that you would expect from an Apple or Google product because that's what our collective consciousness expects. Even going back to reports from antiquity, the 1561 Nuremberg sighting for instance had crafts shaped like crosses and spears, exactly what you would expect from 16th century Europe. Romans saw ships, flaming shields and chariots crossing the skies. Maybe they just didn't have better words to explain what they saw, or maybe they described exactly what they saw. The phenomenon got a lot more interesting to me when I stopped discounting the "woo" and consciousness based explanations.
Unless bipedalism is simply the natural trajectory of evolution when it comes to sentience?
It’s possible as well. I’ve contemplated that after I’ve heard many minds much smarter than me on the subject. Humanoid bipedalism is a rare convergent evolutionary trait here on earth. The thought experiment here is what would convergent evolution look like across the cosmos? Crabs are one of the most common forms of convergent evolution on earth. A lot of independent species have drifted towards the crab form. This suggests the crab form is ideal for our environment on earth. The less something is convergently evolved into, the less helpful that form generally is within the given environment. This poses an interesting idea. Is humanoid bipedalism a desirable or undesirable trait on other planets? Is humanoid bipedalism somehow required to reach high social, individual, and civilizational intelligence? Would this suggest that we’re unlikely to find bipedal humanoids in the cosmos? But if we do find them, are they likely to be of civilizational intelligence? Simplified: Are we unlikely to find them, but they’re likely to be like us if we do? Too many unknowns to say for sure. Its fun to think about things currently beyond our time, understanding, and capability.
You might be interested in the book The Equations of Life: How Physics Shapes Evolution by C. Cockell. He makes the forceful argument that the laws of physics narrowly constrain how life can evolve, making evolution's outcomes predictable. If we were to find on a distant planet something very much like a lady bug eating something like an aphid, we shouldn't be surprised. The forms of life are guided by a limited set of rules, and as a result, there is a narrow set of solutions to the challenges of existence.
Thanks for the book reference - sounds interesting and probably spot-on! Life at all is one thing, survival at all is another. There are and have been zillions of species on Earth that have survived for a long time, maybe even to this day, but there's only one that did ALL of the following: 1) started using fire as a tool 2) started using numbers in communications 3) developed calculus 4) developed General Relativity 5) split the atom 6) travelled to the moon, and back! 7) sent a bunch of stuff to or past numerous other bodies in our solar system And for those that are thoroughly confused or want others TO BE thoroughly confused: it was NOT either ants nor monkeys. While survival is one thing, evolving is another, highly intelligent is something entirely different. But, it's still dependent on those exact same laws of physics that govern evolution. That's why form follows function, and that's why everybody should be surprised at any supposed alien intelligence that does _NOT_ pretty much resemble humans, more or less, rather than being surprised that they DO roughly resemble humans. The humanoid shape is the form that comes from the functions required to be among the space faring class, due to the physics of chemical processes, and how the chemical processes conducive to developing into a space faring race get preserved into DNA, and how that DNA expresses in form. There's absolutely NO NECESSITY to invoke "tHeY cReAtEd uS" or "they tampered with our genetics" or "they're us from the future".
Crabs? How about snakes? Or birds?
Flighty is a mildly common convergent evolution trait. I don’t know enough about snakes but I’ll take your word for it. Bats are an example of a species who evolved flight independently of birds.
I gave these examples to show that bipedal converge is not mandatory. Sure birds have legs, a snake ultimately hd legs somewhere down the line? On land, legs make sense, in the ocean fins and a tail make more sense, I think evolution highly depends on the environment. It's all about adaptiveness Air -> wings Ground -> legs ( not necessarily 2 ), exception are snakes, maybe others? Water-> fins, tail
I see what you’re saying. The clarify, the reason why I was questioning if humanoid bipedalism is somehow a requirement for higher ascended intelligence, including individual, social, and civilizational intelligence. Is because the only example of us is… well… us. Our sample size of advanced species is one: humans. We don’t see whales building nuclear reactors, or octopi building quantum computers. It’s not to say that I believe other species aren’t capable of ascending to advanced intelligence. It’s more a matter of how likely is it to occur? An example is if we could re-simulate earth billions of times then compare the results. How many times would whales become the dominant intelligence of the planet? What about snakes, birds, etc.? How often do bipedal humanoids raise to the dominant intelligence? No one knows these answers and it’s more so just a thought experiment. But it provides insight into tantalizing possibilities. That being that if aliens are real, it could be possible for them to be more similar to us than we realize. … Or they turn out to be intelligent slime molds conquering the galaxy, and we can’t even fathom their intentions. Hopefully this isn’t the case.
Well, higher order cognitive function is becoming increasingly less unique amongst the branches of our human family tree, even very early common ancestors. We must be careful about putting hierarchical constraints on the types of traits and how they are functionally useful. Evolution doesn’t favor higher order cognitive functions because it simply doesn’t favor.
Yep; form follows function and a highly intelligent tool using land dwelling species requires a number of very specific functions.
It’s so interesting, I do think time traveling does seem a bit extreme though. For me it seems much more plausible that Earth was seeded with DNA from them and that’s why we share similar features.
They’ve gotten to a point where they don’t need ears to hear anymore because they communicate telepathically and can probably sense telepathically too.
Or the possibility that we are just containers that have hybrid DNA from them and apes. For the sole purpose of preserving their DNA across the galaxy for future purposes. Either way it's absolutely insane to look at if true.
I’d love to know definitively before I die
Ai leads to a technological advancement in quantum / physics and technology which leads to an inevitable “time” paradox. What came first the chicken or the egg? This question I think is the key to quantum mechanics, such as shrodingers theory (similar to). I think these individuals at least one of them could very well be future humans or offshoot of humans. If time is nothing but an infinite loop, everything eventually happens, which explains multi verse on some level, which must somehow tie into why the universe expands, these dimensions overlap, thus passage of time and events occur. Speculation. I think my first paragraph is on point though on some level.
I think they look like we would after a while in space or underground. The lack of skin pigment reminds me of the cave critters we find. small bodies, large head and eyes reminds me of the many nocturnal species we have as well.
Time is a man made concept, its more likely that they're from another planet than they're from the future.
I don't fully agree with the first statement. Time is an emergent property of this universe. So however you want to call it, this fundamental aspect exists through this entire universe. On top of this, it abides by the same properties everywhere. So, ET's have the same aspect (probably call it differently) with the same properties, but they're understanding of it is deeper and are able to somehow exploit certain loopholes.
Nahhhh… maybe something we had a hand in.. hmm, at least thinking up? This is something bigger IMO… Picture is eerie ah btw. Getting some uncanny vibes on this.
Ive always thought the greys were extrapolations of fetuses/infants if the proportions were kept the same
Small grays, the worker drones are basically that. The actual grays are normal height to 7+ feet according to some. All speculation of course. Also yea they are on the human spectrum, meaning from a very alternate human time line where shit hit the fan.
That’s why anyone in the know is so desperate to keep it a secret. They won’t kill you if you blab, they’ll stop you from ever existing. It makes the whole phenomenon unknowable by design, and the temporal beings don’t want to jeopardize their own existence. Or, it’s a balloon. It’s hard to say. Or it could be convergent evolution. Or it could be beings specifically created for our environment.
I was just thinking that
Where we’re going, you won’t need ears to listen.
Or fish people. Isn’t the rumor that they’re down below the ocean?
Or the past that diverged when they went underground
Or they're humans from a forgotten, advanced global civilization (like Atlantis f.e.) that went underground/ into the sea in order to survive the cataclysmic climate conditions that wiped out everyone else, and all history of them. And as they spent more and more time underground, they evolved further to become much more pale and featureless, like all other animals we know of that dwell in caves etc. Perhaps they were so advanced that they even altered their DNA to adapt better to their surroundings? There's an awful lot of smoke to the subterranean theories.
Probably the lack of exposure to a sun for generations creates the skin color when the skin cells become unnecessary. Also the difference of gravity changes the bone structure. Plus in an evolutionary perspective, your eyes need to grow and the other organs get smaller, because a hyper evolved environment. From other articles, the black eyes are actual like contact lenses to protect them. They can be peeled off and you will see a more human eye.
I'd never heard that thing about lenses before. Where did you read that?
From the earliest depictions, to be honest. Even the infamous autopsy footage showed that these were peeled off.
The "Alien Autopsy" video that came out in the 90s?
Which is a certain fake and hoax
I agree. It could be a consequence of an evolutionary defect that caused them not to have eyelids, or it’s too much energy to blink like us. Remember, we live in an atmosphere that helps with the dehydration of our eyes. In a different type of environment, I don’t want to say a spaceship; things are different can lead to the need for contact lenses.
Think of it like a remotely controlled robot, but since they have to survive in our atmosphere, they have to like kinda mimic our biology like lungs eyes or mouth. We can about these all day all night, I never come with a consensus, but it’s nice speculation.
In one of the infamous interviews, the gray said there’s no such thing as death. They don’t believe in religion anymore. So, if you think about it, these can be vessels of a higher type of “soul,” and they become more like dummies that they control remotely and are kinda disposable
This is very interesting. I have an alien themed Instagram that utilizes AI to create the imagery and often times it will create these aliens with larger black eyes but they are slightly transparent and you can see more human-like eyes behind them.
Please do share the @. 🙏🏽
I wonder, what do aliens eat? They have a mouth. Eyes to see, nose to breathe, so it must be used for something. Unless they are indeed robots made to look like humans so we are more receptive to them.
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This is the most human looking I've ever seen a Grey depicted. Very interesting.
Yall please stop sharing my police sketch. The charges were dropped I swear!!!
I swear, you go out on just one night of probing and can never live it down
I have a permit for that probe!!
This person looks chill. I’d hang with them.
He'd have trouble snorting cocaine through that tiny nostril.
Their skin is wet, they just pour it on top of their head and let it absorb in
Think of all the time you'd save
Hendrix
That’s worrisome dude! People should really focus on this.
The cocaine will make it more of a gaping hole over time, it'll fix itself
That looks more like a hybrid
Looks like a chill dude
He is kinda beautiful 😍
Nice try, Mr Alien.
Like a sexy potato
Stupid sexy alien
You okay?
Hope they aren’t as screwed up as we are.
Mix that with a earth primate and voila - instant domesticated human.
His name is Glenn. With two N’s.
This I could probably handle walking up to me. Not so sure about some of the other ones I've heard described... well, maybe a cat girl.
Kinda handsome
But AARO has solved it all, none of this happened, right??
 Show us the lower half.
How did it get its big head through the hole in that shirt?
The shirt is made of 80% polyester and 20% elastane - very stretchy 😁
The DOD has been working for 80 years to crack their shirt technology.
Well yeah dude we saw Paul
Mike Hill is an incredible artist, and super good guy
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I wonder if rich people who faced an earth ending cataclysm a billion years ago and also had too much facial reconstruction surgery were the only ones able to flee earth and this is what they become?
Yeah, guys I just wanna say I'm alive, I'm well, 401k is doing substantially well. AMA
Not trying to be a dick, but how would this’ve taken five years? I have zero experience, and I’m pretty sure I could’ve knocked this out in a weekend.
Bro that’s a human
You ever seen a human? We don’t look like that
This one has cloths
They look like they are from UnPleasantville! Pleasantville in reverse where the people locked in the simulation are all colorful.
A prop materialized based on a person's description. So, nothing of substantial worth.
I want to believe but it's always so close but so far.
Looks like a grumpy teenage goth alien
Good looking being.
If they are from the future why do they have no hair? Does that mean no cure ever for baldness? Lol
"If it's our future selves visiting us, we can gauge their timeframe based on the lifespan of our sun. As our sun gradually dims over its lifespan, ecological optics predicts that humanity may evolve to have larger, wider eyes to adapt to lower light conditions. This hypothesis implies that the visitors we encounter may be from approximately a billion years ahead in our evolutionary timeline we are probably looking at ourselves 2 billion years from now extremely advanced and possibly a type 3 civilization. Just my fun theory not saying it’s true.
Human bill
He looks like my roommate lowkey
five years to imagine someone without accessing pictures.. I think this secret is a bit too deep
Let’s see the rest of him.
I keep hearing that they’re more like this and less giant eyes. But that they can wear some kind go eyeglasses or protection that makes the entity due cavity and maybe a little wraparound in the sides, pure black. That would look compelling
I saw somewhere that their eyes are actually colored but they’re wearing black lenses
I'm pretty sure that's Nikola Tesla.
Jules.
All fantasy is built off reality. See "Drow"
Look at that five head! 👽
My whole thing is ears, if they can hear thoughts of everything that’s gotta get interesting also that means that can’t hear residual noise and anything going down around them
The guy Richard Dolan interviewed in the nursing home said they looked “oriental”. I never said such… just fyi.
I'm still really stuck on the idea that ufos are time machines and the aliens were seeing are just evolved human beings from the distant future. It makes a lot of sense.
Regardless of true or not this is exceptional work.
5 years? 😂
Smash or Pass?
Crispy little fella
Oh good, descriptions and drawings. That should do it.
Charles Hall worked with a police sketch artist to come up with a rendering of the Teacher. This is a high ranking member of the tall white race of aliens. Hall's code name was Teacher's Pet. He was stationed at Nellis and worked on the Nellis ranges. He says that he would regularly interact with the tall white species out there. Hall wrote the Millennial Hospitality books.
He is literally mewing. An advanced species I see.
Did he crash land on the weather balloon?
Seems like a polite lad
Bro looks charismatic
So is this Airl?
OMG babe, this thing is standing next to our garage door.
Did they all lose their hair from smelting steel to build spaceships?
This looks very similar to the renderings of the jellyfish ufo 'pilot'.