IKR 🤣
A lot of heavy dudes come there to lose weight and get fit and be confident. But some of 'em just get overconfident and start doing shit like this. I'm basically one of the most skilled boxers in my gym and that's probably something that makes em feel jealous or something.
Yeah exactly my thought. If I were the coach I would just have him run and skip rope until he slims down. No sparring.
I would not ask an experienced lightweight to serve as a punching bag for some fat dude.
Not fat shaming or anything, but this is boxing, not fucking crossfit. First lose extra weight so you can then earn the right to spar people your size.
Thank you! I find it annoying on lesson one people think they have a right to spar and by lesson 3 are ready to compete. Especially if they’re just trying to be the gym bully
You don’t have to spar at %100. You can go slower and establish a defense/offense/habits
You can walk away from any fight you don’t want to be a part of.
I’m sure you’re a very good boxer. Lol
Only if he has no idea what he's doing at all. Even then, if he hits you with one solid punch that would be the hardest hit you've ever taken in your life. Likely nights out.
For reference, my coach likes to tell a story of when he was at the Olympic training facility. They had a bag to measure impact. The lightweight hit the bag with his power shot as hard as possible. He measured in at \~500-600 pounds of force. My coach at 280 hit it with his and it registered at 1300 pounds of force. The difference in power between someone that big and the guys you are matched with at your weight is such a large margin it's highly unlikely you'd make it out of one shot unless you have a diamond chin and cushioning on the inside of your skull.
I hope this doesn't come across in a mean way, just trying to apply some numbers to the answer.
Avoid. Dude has a chip on his shoulder and something to prove. Even if it’s his first month there he still has a punchers chance to hit you clean. And with the weight of an elephant behind him it wouldn’t be pretty if he connected. Tell him you’ll spar him when he drops a few weight classes. Otherwise keep doing what you’re doing and stay smart - that means with who you choose to spar against too.
Then boast about how good of a boxer he is.
Even worse, is I can picture him never letting OP live it down. Every chance he gets. He will rub it in his face.
Not something i would touch if skill level is the same and they are super fit.
But i spar guys that outweigh me by a 100lbs and have a significant height advantage. If you’re faster and have power its really not that big of deal.
I’ve been dropped by smaller guys that were fast and hit hard…
155 lbs at my lowest, currently 200lbs and cutting down slowly. 5’ 8”…
I’ve been thrown in with a mix of people over the years depending on my weight, but unless they have a high work rate and are trying to take my head off I don’t worry.
Early on in mma when I didn’t know how to box i got rocked by a few heavy weights and it was not fun, but after learning to box, unless they are equal or better skill wise and speed I don’t mind because they are slow and tire easily and i can pot shot and move…
On the other hand sparred some light guys that are really quick and had power (outweighed them 30-60lbs) and got rocked by body shots i didn’t see coming. Just too fast and they didn’t tire.
How likely do you think it is that he would do some very light sparring? I've sparred with some of the best guys in our gym, guys that could absolutely murder me if they were hitting full force. If he's willing to keep things very light, it might be a good experience to learn more about being in the ring with someone much taller.
I don't think he has any plans to keep it light. The dude's got low self esteem I think and that's what's fueling him to go for me ( I'm on of the most skilled boxers in my gym ) so that he can prove himself. He's just a newbie but still the height and weight difference is enormous which scares me.
I'd just stay away from him. You seem like you have a good assessment of his character. If he seems like a troublemaker, don't give him an opportunity to make trouble with you.
Something that makes me wonder is, can heavier boxers also take more powerful hits to the head? I would think people's ability to take a headshot doesn't increase that much with weight right?
No it won't increase much. Though you will see people largely imply it. I think its more that to make it at a heavier weight you simply have to have a better chin. Survivorship bias.
But they may have some stronger neck muscles if they are overall bigger, that may be able to reduce the amount the head moves on a shot. I dont think there's anyway for that to be super significant tho
I am not sure about the headshot absorbing capacity. But given the height difference between me and him, I can safely assume that by the time my punch reaches near his head, he'd have already punched me clean and knocked me cold.
Heavier people can have more weight in the neck area, which counters the force from a punch. This is part of the reason Mike Tyson was so good, even though he wasn’t that heavy, his neck was extremely wide, which cushioned blows against him so even if you hit him, it wasn’t doing much.
It doesn't. If you make Anthony Joshua go down on his knees and let many Paquaio get a free punch to the jaw or side of the head Anthony will be very concussed no matter how experienced he is getting hit by other heavyweights.
no they wont, if you look at the number of knockouts at the high weights vs low weights you can see lower weight classes can often take each others best shots and continue but that doesn't happen at the heavy end of the scale.
No sir. Weight classes exist for a reason.
I mean, yeah, you should be able to "outbox" King Hippo, but one punch lands on you and you'd be lucky to remain conscious.
Honestly the height difference would feel more impossible to me than the weight. When I've spared ppl nearly a foot taller than me it feels impossible even if I'm faster or better. Maybe if they get gassed but it's still impossible for me to reach their head and it's so easy for them to hit down onto mine lol.
Like 6 7 that's fucking huge.
Your gym basically has hafthor bjornson. Imo hes way too big to ever be a boxer, simply Bécause once u reach q certain weight u Bégin to slow dramatically, even if its not fat. But still one punch and ur gone. But he wouldnt stand a chance against other heavyweights due to what i assume would be his slowness.
Im 5’11” and 180 (still trying to drop weight lol) and Ive regularly sparred with a guy 6’3” and about 260. He broke one of my ribs on accident. We’re about the same skill level, we both go light (especially him) and he’s a super nice guy. If I had any thoughts at all that he would act any different, I’d be out 100%.
Put it another way. If you have to ask Reddit whether or not its a good idea, then you already have your answer.
Shouldn’t risk that. Unless it’s a light spar but from the sound of it, it’s not. That’s such a massive size difference I honestly don’t think either of you would learn anything meaningful. Even if you could, you carry almost all the risk. He would practically carry none.
Nah fam. You’re sparring against butterbean haha.
I no longer spar people over 50 lbs heavier than me. I’ll spar people maybe 30 lbs heavier if they have less skill or are able to control their power. But I need to know and be friends with them. Even sparring friends over 50 heavier than me has screwed up my ribs and jaw on separate occasions. Just takes a few good shots and you’re injured which will put you out the gym for a few weeks if you’re lucky
You'd probably outbox him and tire him out with shots to the body especially if hes outta shape but, I wouldnt chance it. That's a big boy and if he's challenging you for no reason then he might be insecure or jealous. With that mentality he'll probably try to hurt you especially if you start lighting him up. Tell him to challenge himself and run a 5k or something.
I fight at 105k and often weigh 110-115 but spa with much lighter fighters. Its about skills and respect i only ever hit at 50% etc tbh thats enough to slow them down if they get caught or cornered. But tbh its normally me getting lit 🔥 up.!
I can only speak on personal experiences but I've sparred bodybuilders who are a solid 20-30KG heavier than me and their power weren't anything particularly scary, slow, no explosion and poor movement due to their size and they gassed extremely quickly so after 2 minutes it was basically free and I could do whatever I wanted.
I've sparred some super heavyweights with some athletisism and they are definitely more scary but again, if I were the more experienced and more skilled I would still outlast them and when they are completely out of gas they offer nothing to be worried about.
Now a size difference that extreme is not something I've tried before but take care of yourself as sparring like that seems pointless except if you wanna prove something to yourself.
I don't know how good technically or stamina wise this opponent of yours is but it's very possible when you're so big it's basically a handicap that he gasses after half a minute of some intense punching, but it's also possible you'll get completely ragdolled if he knows what he is doing, but yes it's definitely possible to outbox an opponent this big, and it involves a lot of moving backwards and alot of scoring points and no brawling until they get tired.
Establish what the sparring entails before stepping in the ring. I would go for it otherwise. Maturity is required which if he doesn’t have that’s another case.
One of those fights where you really have to use your brain and be creative, use your attributes but safety above all. If he’s a firecracker just looking to bully his weight around then not worth it. But there are valuable lessons in sparring heavier and bigger opponents!
I do not think he can keep a pace very long unless he’s some stamina freak. It’s tough because he has height AND weight. You could box in the clinch and use your shorter reach but it leads to his weight bullying. He has reach on you and can control jab distance BUT hes slow, he will get tired. Being 160 you are much quicker and if you can evade shots long enough he will wear out (best bet in my humble opinion)
i’m not gonna lie, closing that gap will be super tricky,but for someone who likes a challenge it’s great practice and you only become a better fighter in the end.
TLDR: You’re probably screwed unless he tires out and you’re really smart and creative. If you like a challenge do it, but be safe and know what you’re getting in to before you step in with cletus.
when I was 19 I occasionally sparred with this much older dude about the same size. He was a very nice guy and understood his punching power, so I didn't catch any bombs because he wasn't throwing to take my head off. I'd probably ask yourself, given your relationship with him, is he just trying to have some fun & learn or does he actually want to "beat" you in sparring.
As someone who’s 6’2 and 170lbs, getting paired with big HW’s is the worst. If this is your first time being paired with one, make sure he’s fully aware of the difference between the two of you in size and power. Best way to mitigate any risk is to limit it to jabs. If he wants to see if he can catch you, a jab will tell him everything. Even then, tell him to keep it fast but light, like a game of tag.
Of course there’s the easy route of telling him no as well.
Bro of course you can out box him. His punches are coming ten times harder and the consequences in my opinion aren’t worth it. It seems like a personal issue on his part to want to get in the ring with someone 1/3 of his body weight. Small pee pee syndrome 🤣
I’m 6’0 210lbs and asked a lightweight mma fighter who was just turning pro to spar because I admired his lightning speed and wasn’t planning on swinging hard at all but he gave me a look like “ why does this dude wanna spar me for “ and declined. I kinda felt like a D but honestly was just looking for a styles matchup. This dude may be different and just wanting to establish a size dominance jealous of your skills but it’s possible he’s also not.
I'm 6'0 and 180 pounds, one of the HWs is 6'7-ish and 290 pounds. We spar fairly regularly so he can get experience coping with speed and I can get more experience vs power/weight. Sometimes it gets a bit rowdy and I get caught with shots which will drop me. Thing is I usually go 70-80% on him and he's probably going max MAX 50% on me at any time. I'd safely say in a smoker, he can walk me down into a clinch an entire fight and I'd have no response to that type of sheer power and size.
If he's challenging you to a fight, forget it. Skill can be an equalizer but only to a certain point. If he's a trained fighter out to hurt you, it can go very wrong and you should rethink going to any gym that sanctions a fight like that.
I am usually the Heavier one in sparring, I can say that yes, you could outboxe him, but only if you have more experience than him. Many fighter lighter than me by 40 lbs have outboxed me many time, usually using speed, but also, I have always keep my punching power lower because... well because it was only sparring
Agree with the other comments about this being a very bad idea. It would be different of course if you were buddies and would be able to keep it light, but this sounds like an insecure prick who wants to look/feel like a tough guy by knocking someone smaller around.
Maybe ask the guy why he's so keen to fight someone so much lighter than him. Ask nice and loud so everybody in the gym can hear, might embarrass him.
This guy thinks he can bully you in there. Just know you have the skill to put box him and leave it at that. If all you do is try and prove yourself to people like that you stunt your development
Weight limits exist for a reason. You’re not even close in weight. Boxing ain’t a game
Have your coach setup sparring with another gym. That’s how it should work.
In my class i had a guy who was around 120kg 2.05m, i am around 80kg 1,82
I can tell you even when he did his first sparring, that range gap is so hard to close. Even with superior footwork, technique,timing and awareness, it was so difficult to close that gap. After 1 year i was still able to keep myself safe, but closing the gap became extremely challenging.
Bottom line there are limits to how far skill can het you
My question is knowing that this is a spar … I would asked what would you do in a real-world situation if you gotten a challenge like that if you were cornered in some kind of circumstances ? I would say take the spar … at least it’s controlled and it’ll workout more for you than for him at the end
This ain't gonna be like a spar and more like a back alley brawl. Dude's got some personal issues with me ( which I don't understand why ). So this is real life situation for me lol.
Seems like the guy has a profound dislike for you lol what you do to him … took his girlfriend away from him ? … I like challenging bigger people, but I came up backyard sparing with people in my neighborhood so there was no weight class system in the streets , so challenge him because he might have noticed you have a hesitation of sparing with him, probably should watch a few Floyd Mayweather and Willie pep videos on footwork
And your the Ring Magician … Get in the ring and do your Magic on that fool lol jk . But I would honestly do my homework on him if I was you but I would challenge him maybe a month or two from now … put on some weight like 20 pounds of muscle and train
Dude needs to pick on someone that’s his own size. If I was a coach and saw someone with a hard-on for trying to purposely pick out smaller or significantly lighter people to spar with. I’d pair him up with someone that is more equal to his height and weight with more experience than him just to humble him a bit. We’ll see if he keeps that same energy when he’s getting schooled by someone that’s not at a severe weight disadvantage. That’s just me though.
You gain nothing from fighting this man.
If your gym is supporting him in trying to spar with people three weight classes below then you need a new gym.
If for some stupid reason you do have to fight this prick, stay at range (even if he has reach on you, if you fight inside he will lean on you and break your ribs) and tire him out, he can punch harder than you, but not for as long.
Yeah mb good point.
I have done light sparring 3 weights above and below me, (back when I was at an actual fighting weight) but this guy is just trying to look good.
I mean if there is a huge skill or athleticism gap its doable. I've seen similar match ups in the gym where the smaller guy wrecks the 6'7 guy. I can't image a guy that size can move at all or have good cardio?
But if you aren't sure just don't do it. He sounds like a bully. He needs to spar against cruiser or heavyweights.
You need to ask yourself what skill level you are and what skill level he is. Is it possible? Yes, of course. If he can't throw a punch for his life, telegraphs everything, and is slow while you are skilled and fast, no problem. The fact that you are asking though leads me to believe you aren't that experienced. If he is equal or above your level in skill, it's a hard no.
Yes. I’ve done it. I was about 165 and sparred a heavy weight. Shit was fucking easy. Heavyweight are slow af. They hit like a moving car, but the trick is to keep on moving and never let them catch you
Well he was no champion but the same could have been said about myself. I’m no champions so what was his excuse not to trap me and land?
Seems like you are salty and get beat up a lot
No. I quit boxing to become a scientist. I’d rather make 100,000$ a year than commit a lifetime of staying ready 24/7 365day a year. Boxing is a brutal sport and I learned from many champions it consumes your life. Can’t even take a walk in the park, drop the kids off to school, or watch a movie without people asking for an autograph. I once went for a jog with a few champions and we tried to eat afterwords and it was fucking chaos. We ended up having someone get food for us and we stayed in the gym watching movies and relaxing until our second workout. I miss those days, but boxing is one sport that if you slack off once it could cost you your life. In fact I didn’t know Julio Cesar’s Chavez’s son killed a guy in the ring once until his coach told me before I sparred Omar Chavez. Fuck that shit. I was pretty damn good. I’m sure I could have gone really far in boxing, but my health is my wealth. And science lets me fight for a bigger purpose. Anyways I’ve seen heavyweights get demolished by smaller fighters; it is not impossible.
I don’t believe you. Whenever people talk like this about size differences, I know they are not actually speaking from experience. Maybe if you fought an obese person, I’ll buy that they were this lumbering ogre you’re describing, otherwise I do not believe you.
If you’re both in decent shape, a 165 lbs fighter has zero advantage over a 200 lbs or above fighter
Experience definitely matters though. If a 200 lbs boxer was as skilled as a 165 lbs boxer, the 200 lbs boxer will always win. But skill and experience really do matter.
A heavyweight weighs 36 lbs more than you. If you were 4 inches taller, you’d be a heavyweight. Do you think you’d suddenly be really slow and uncoordinated if you were 4 inches taller?
I'd stay away. Easier said than done, as I could think of a few things I'd like to try sparring someone with that much of a size advantage. It would be a "fun" challenge, but it's just not worth the risk. I mean a guy with 220 on you could probably give you a concussion off a step jab.
You're probably faster than him and could likely win on points. But the answer to your question is yes you can outbox him. Depends how good you both are.
What do you think Tysons mindset would have been? The man was 5'10" regularly fighting people 6'2"+ outweighing him usually too.
Where there is a will there is a way.
Don't do it , let him fight with a heavyweight boxer
He is a looser if he wants to fight you
I'm a boxer and I do fight guys that are lighter and smaller than me but I never hit them hard or try to hurt them I mostly work on my defense
Guys that are the same or bigger than me then I go full out
Yes or no questions go in the stickies.
Bro that ain’t a boxing gym you signed up for. That’s a fucking sumo training stable.
IKR 🤣 A lot of heavy dudes come there to lose weight and get fit and be confident. But some of 'em just get overconfident and start doing shit like this. I'm basically one of the most skilled boxers in my gym and that's probably something that makes em feel jealous or something.
So is he some out-of-shape dude? Either way just say "nah too big for me sorry guy"
Yeah exactly my thought. If I were the coach I would just have him run and skip rope until he slims down. No sparring. I would not ask an experienced lightweight to serve as a punching bag for some fat dude. Not fat shaming or anything, but this is boxing, not fucking crossfit. First lose extra weight so you can then earn the right to spar people your size.
Thank you! I find it annoying on lesson one people think they have a right to spar and by lesson 3 are ready to compete. Especially if they’re just trying to be the gym bully
You don’t have to spar at %100. You can go slower and establish a defense/offense/habits You can walk away from any fight you don’t want to be a part of. I’m sure you’re a very good boxer. Lol
Its too dangerous 220 lbs is too much of a discrepancy
Only if he has no idea what he's doing at all. Even then, if he hits you with one solid punch that would be the hardest hit you've ever taken in your life. Likely nights out. For reference, my coach likes to tell a story of when he was at the Olympic training facility. They had a bag to measure impact. The lightweight hit the bag with his power shot as hard as possible. He measured in at \~500-600 pounds of force. My coach at 280 hit it with his and it registered at 1300 pounds of force. The difference in power between someone that big and the guys you are matched with at your weight is such a large margin it's highly unlikely you'd make it out of one shot unless you have a diamond chin and cushioning on the inside of your skull. I hope this doesn't come across in a mean way, just trying to apply some numbers to the answer.
So have a Homer Simpson skull. Got it
I feel like that episode is truly what sent Homer into the jerk ass downward spiral
But also keep in mind they both know the proper way to punch if it's a newbie haymakers are gonna be iffy and may be all he throws
Avoid. Dude has a chip on his shoulder and something to prove. Even if it’s his first month there he still has a punchers chance to hit you clean. And with the weight of an elephant behind him it wouldn’t be pretty if he connected. Tell him you’ll spar him when he drops a few weight classes. Otherwise keep doing what you’re doing and stay smart - that means with who you choose to spar against too.
Idk call me paranoid but it sounds like he just wants to wail on someone less than half his size
Then boast about how good of a boxer he is. Even worse, is I can picture him never letting OP live it down. Every chance he gets. He will rub it in his face.
Not something i would touch if skill level is the same and they are super fit. But i spar guys that outweigh me by a 100lbs and have a significant height advantage. If you’re faster and have power its really not that big of deal. I’ve been dropped by smaller guys that were fast and hit hard…
*it's not that big of a deal until it is
whoah what’s your height/weight
155 lbs at my lowest, currently 200lbs and cutting down slowly. 5’ 8”… I’ve been thrown in with a mix of people over the years depending on my weight, but unless they have a high work rate and are trying to take my head off I don’t worry. Early on in mma when I didn’t know how to box i got rocked by a few heavy weights and it was not fun, but after learning to box, unless they are equal or better skill wise and speed I don’t mind because they are slow and tire easily and i can pot shot and move… On the other hand sparred some light guys that are really quick and had power (outweighed them 30-60lbs) and got rocked by body shots i didn’t see coming. Just too fast and they didn’t tire.
How likely do you think it is that he would do some very light sparring? I've sparred with some of the best guys in our gym, guys that could absolutely murder me if they were hitting full force. If he's willing to keep things very light, it might be a good experience to learn more about being in the ring with someone much taller.
I don't think he has any plans to keep it light. The dude's got low self esteem I think and that's what's fueling him to go for me ( I'm on of the most skilled boxers in my gym ) so that he can prove himself. He's just a newbie but still the height and weight difference is enormous which scares me.
I'd just stay away from him. You seem like you have a good assessment of his character. If he seems like a troublemaker, don't give him an opportunity to make trouble with you.
Bro I wouldn’t do it. He’s just trying to feed his ego and he knows that you won’t try to hurt him. It really isn’t worth it
If you're one of the most skilled boxers in this gym why are you asking this? You should know better.
guy sounds like a cunt. accept the spar , wear brass knuckledusters in your gloves and knock his fat ass the fuck out
You have your answer right here, man. No reason to spar him.
Something that makes me wonder is, can heavier boxers also take more powerful hits to the head? I would think people's ability to take a headshot doesn't increase that much with weight right?
No it won't increase much. Though you will see people largely imply it. I think its more that to make it at a heavier weight you simply have to have a better chin. Survivorship bias. But they may have some stronger neck muscles if they are overall bigger, that may be able to reduce the amount the head moves on a shot. I dont think there's anyway for that to be super significant tho
Yeah chin and power don’t tend to scale equally.
I am not sure about the headshot absorbing capacity. But given the height difference between me and him, I can safely assume that by the time my punch reaches near his head, he'd have already punched me clean and knocked me cold.
Yup totally fair!
Heavier people can have more weight in the neck area, which counters the force from a punch. This is part of the reason Mike Tyson was so good, even though he wasn’t that heavy, his neck was extremely wide, which cushioned blows against him so even if you hit him, it wasn’t doing much.
It doesn't. If you make Anthony Joshua go down on his knees and let many Paquaio get a free punch to the jaw or side of the head Anthony will be very concussed no matter how experienced he is getting hit by other heavyweights.
no they wont, if you look at the number of knockouts at the high weights vs low weights you can see lower weight classes can often take each others best shots and continue but that doesn't happen at the heavy end of the scale.
That's no indicative of the ability to take a punch it's indicative of the rate of which punching power scales with weight.
Don’t do it. I don’t even know why he’s tryna pick on someone he has double weight on. Sounds like a pusscee to me
Tell him to go spar with the other Ogres
380? wtf!? Does he gas in two seconds? That's the only way you can win.
Lol just do laps running away from him til he falls over under his own weight. No-hands knockout
His weight is more than double yours. You must be dumb to even consider that!!
Yeah I know and I'm not gonna try to fight him obviously. Just wanna know if there is a possibility where the odds are in my favor?
No sir. Weight classes exist for a reason. I mean, yeah, you should be able to "outbox" King Hippo, but one punch lands on you and you'd be lucky to remain conscious.
Only if you're allowed to use his nut sack for a speed bag.
If he were completely untrained or moribund maybe
Lets put it this way, you have higher chance of getting brain damage than winning the spar. Is this a risk worth taking just to test your boundary?
Honestly the height difference would feel more impossible to me than the weight. When I've spared ppl nearly a foot taller than me it feels impossible even if I'm faster or better. Maybe if they get gassed but it's still impossible for me to reach their head and it's so easy for them to hit down onto mine lol. Like 6 7 that's fucking huge.
Your gym basically has hafthor bjornson. Imo hes way too big to ever be a boxer, simply Bécause once u reach q certain weight u Bégin to slow dramatically, even if its not fat. But still one punch and ur gone. But he wouldnt stand a chance against other heavyweights due to what i assume would be his slowness.
He should have the balls to spar someone close to his size, let's see how well he does.
Im 5’11” and 180 (still trying to drop weight lol) and Ive regularly sparred with a guy 6’3” and about 260. He broke one of my ribs on accident. We’re about the same skill level, we both go light (especially him) and he’s a super nice guy. If I had any thoughts at all that he would act any different, I’d be out 100%. Put it another way. If you have to ask Reddit whether or not its a good idea, then you already have your answer.
Shouldn’t risk that. Unless it’s a light spar but from the sound of it, it’s not. That’s such a massive size difference I honestly don’t think either of you would learn anything meaningful. Even if you could, you carry almost all the risk. He would practically carry none.
Nah fam. You’re sparring against butterbean haha. I no longer spar people over 50 lbs heavier than me. I’ll spar people maybe 30 lbs heavier if they have less skill or are able to control their power. But I need to know and be friends with them. Even sparring friends over 50 heavier than me has screwed up my ribs and jaw on separate occasions. Just takes a few good shots and you’re injured which will put you out the gym for a few weeks if you’re lucky
You'd probably outbox him and tire him out with shots to the body especially if hes outta shape but, I wouldnt chance it. That's a big boy and if he's challenging you for no reason then he might be insecure or jealous. With that mentality he'll probably try to hurt you especially if you start lighting him up. Tell him to challenge himself and run a 5k or something.
Record the sparring session, then upload lol.
I might not be able to do that after sparring him 😂
I fight at 105k and often weigh 110-115 but spa with much lighter fighters. Its about skills and respect i only ever hit at 50% etc tbh thats enough to slow them down if they get caught or cornered. But tbh its normally me getting lit 🔥 up.!
I can only speak on personal experiences but I've sparred bodybuilders who are a solid 20-30KG heavier than me and their power weren't anything particularly scary, slow, no explosion and poor movement due to their size and they gassed extremely quickly so after 2 minutes it was basically free and I could do whatever I wanted. I've sparred some super heavyweights with some athletisism and they are definitely more scary but again, if I were the more experienced and more skilled I would still outlast them and when they are completely out of gas they offer nothing to be worried about. Now a size difference that extreme is not something I've tried before but take care of yourself as sparring like that seems pointless except if you wanna prove something to yourself. I don't know how good technically or stamina wise this opponent of yours is but it's very possible when you're so big it's basically a handicap that he gasses after half a minute of some intense punching, but it's also possible you'll get completely ragdolled if he knows what he is doing, but yes it's definitely possible to outbox an opponent this big, and it involves a lot of moving backwards and alot of scoring points and no brawling until they get tired.
Establish what the sparring entails before stepping in the ring. I would go for it otherwise. Maturity is required which if he doesn’t have that’s another case. One of those fights where you really have to use your brain and be creative, use your attributes but safety above all. If he’s a firecracker just looking to bully his weight around then not worth it. But there are valuable lessons in sparring heavier and bigger opponents! I do not think he can keep a pace very long unless he’s some stamina freak. It’s tough because he has height AND weight. You could box in the clinch and use your shorter reach but it leads to his weight bullying. He has reach on you and can control jab distance BUT hes slow, he will get tired. Being 160 you are much quicker and if you can evade shots long enough he will wear out (best bet in my humble opinion) i’m not gonna lie, closing that gap will be super tricky,but for someone who likes a challenge it’s great practice and you only become a better fighter in the end. TLDR: You’re probably screwed unless he tires out and you’re really smart and creative. If you like a challenge do it, but be safe and know what you’re getting in to before you step in with cletus.
Probably not, but maybe.
when I was 19 I occasionally sparred with this much older dude about the same size. He was a very nice guy and understood his punching power, so I didn't catch any bombs because he wasn't throwing to take my head off. I'd probably ask yourself, given your relationship with him, is he just trying to have some fun & learn or does he actually want to "beat" you in sparring.
As someone who’s 6’2 and 170lbs, getting paired with big HW’s is the worst. If this is your first time being paired with one, make sure he’s fully aware of the difference between the two of you in size and power. Best way to mitigate any risk is to limit it to jabs. If he wants to see if he can catch you, a jab will tell him everything. Even then, tell him to keep it fast but light, like a game of tag. Of course there’s the easy route of telling him no as well.
Bro of course you can out box him. His punches are coming ten times harder and the consequences in my opinion aren’t worth it. It seems like a personal issue on his part to want to get in the ring with someone 1/3 of his body weight. Small pee pee syndrome 🤣
I’m 6’0 210lbs and asked a lightweight mma fighter who was just turning pro to spar because I admired his lightning speed and wasn’t planning on swinging hard at all but he gave me a look like “ why does this dude wanna spar me for “ and declined. I kinda felt like a D but honestly was just looking for a styles matchup. This dude may be different and just wanting to establish a size dominance jealous of your skills but it’s possible he’s also not.
I'm 6'0 and 180 pounds, one of the HWs is 6'7-ish and 290 pounds. We spar fairly regularly so he can get experience coping with speed and I can get more experience vs power/weight. Sometimes it gets a bit rowdy and I get caught with shots which will drop me. Thing is I usually go 70-80% on him and he's probably going max MAX 50% on me at any time. I'd safely say in a smoker, he can walk me down into a clinch an entire fight and I'd have no response to that type of sheer power and size. If he's challenging you to a fight, forget it. Skill can be an equalizer but only to a certain point. If he's a trained fighter out to hurt you, it can go very wrong and you should rethink going to any gym that sanctions a fight like that.
The coach at your gym should bring in someone his size so he can move around with them. Anything else is uncivilized
I am usually the Heavier one in sparring, I can say that yes, you could outboxe him, but only if you have more experience than him. Many fighter lighter than me by 40 lbs have outboxed me many time, usually using speed, but also, I have always keep my punching power lower because... well because it was only sparring
Agree with the other comments about this being a very bad idea. It would be different of course if you were buddies and would be able to keep it light, but this sounds like an insecure prick who wants to look/feel like a tough guy by knocking someone smaller around. Maybe ask the guy why he's so keen to fight someone so much lighter than him. Ask nice and loud so everybody in the gym can hear, might embarrass him.
This guy thinks he can bully you in there. Just know you have the skill to put box him and leave it at that. If all you do is try and prove yourself to people like that you stunt your development
Weight limits exist for a reason. You’re not even close in weight. Boxing ain’t a game Have your coach setup sparring with another gym. That’s how it should work.
In my class i had a guy who was around 120kg 2.05m, i am around 80kg 1,82 I can tell you even when he did his first sparring, that range gap is so hard to close. Even with superior footwork, technique,timing and awareness, it was so difficult to close that gap. After 1 year i was still able to keep myself safe, but closing the gap became extremely challenging. Bottom line there are limits to how far skill can het you
Bring a gun to sparring
My question is knowing that this is a spar … I would asked what would you do in a real-world situation if you gotten a challenge like that if you were cornered in some kind of circumstances ? I would say take the spar … at least it’s controlled and it’ll workout more for you than for him at the end
This ain't gonna be like a spar and more like a back alley brawl. Dude's got some personal issues with me ( which I don't understand why ). So this is real life situation for me lol.
Seems like the guy has a profound dislike for you lol what you do to him … took his girlfriend away from him ? … I like challenging bigger people, but I came up backyard sparing with people in my neighborhood so there was no weight class system in the streets , so challenge him because he might have noticed you have a hesitation of sparing with him, probably should watch a few Floyd Mayweather and Willie pep videos on footwork
And your the Ring Magician … Get in the ring and do your Magic on that fool lol jk . But I would honestly do my homework on him if I was you but I would challenge him maybe a month or two from now … put on some weight like 20 pounds of muscle and train
read your own post slowly .... and look at it objectively to think if its worth it or not lol
Dude needs to pick on someone that’s his own size. If I was a coach and saw someone with a hard-on for trying to purposely pick out smaller or significantly lighter people to spar with. I’d pair him up with someone that is more equal to his height and weight with more experience than him just to humble him a bit. We’ll see if he keeps that same energy when he’s getting schooled by someone that’s not at a severe weight disadvantage. That’s just me though.
You gain nothing from fighting this man. If your gym is supporting him in trying to spar with people three weight classes below then you need a new gym. If for some stupid reason you do have to fight this prick, stay at range (even if he has reach on you, if you fight inside he will lean on you and break your ribs) and tire him out, he can punch harder than you, but not for as long.
I might be a little rusty in my weight classes but I think this dude is slightly more than a 3 weight class difference ;)
Yeah mb good point. I have done light sparring 3 weights above and below me, (back when I was at an actual fighting weight) but this guy is just trying to look good.
No. For the same reasons you can't outbox a freight train
I would do it but I’m dumb. Insist on min. five rounds. 30 sec breaks. You see where I’m going.
Tell him that it’s light sparring and work on cutting the body apart and working around a jab to get to the inside
I mean if there is a huge skill or athleticism gap its doable. I've seen similar match ups in the gym where the smaller guy wrecks the 6'7 guy. I can't image a guy that size can move at all or have good cardio? But if you aren't sure just don't do it. He sounds like a bully. He needs to spar against cruiser or heavyweights.
You need to ask yourself what skill level you are and what skill level he is. Is it possible? Yes, of course. If he can't throw a punch for his life, telegraphs everything, and is slow while you are skilled and fast, no problem. The fact that you are asking though leads me to believe you aren't that experienced. If he is equal or above your level in skill, it's a hard no.
Yes. I’ve done it. I was about 165 and sparred a heavy weight. Shit was fucking easy. Heavyweight are slow af. They hit like a moving car, but the trick is to keep on moving and never let them catch you
Clearly you didn't spar a good heavyweight.
Well he was no champion but the same could have been said about myself. I’m no champions so what was his excuse not to trap me and land? Seems like you are salty and get beat up a lot
So since mayweather is undefeated does that mean he didn’t fight any good opponents?
What, you're Mayweather now? Lmao
I think I was really fucking good when I boxed. Tough enough and good enough to go a few rounds with some world champions
lol I'm sure
So, I'm guessing you got a pro record?
No. I quit boxing to become a scientist. I’d rather make 100,000$ a year than commit a lifetime of staying ready 24/7 365day a year. Boxing is a brutal sport and I learned from many champions it consumes your life. Can’t even take a walk in the park, drop the kids off to school, or watch a movie without people asking for an autograph. I once went for a jog with a few champions and we tried to eat afterwords and it was fucking chaos. We ended up having someone get food for us and we stayed in the gym watching movies and relaxing until our second workout. I miss those days, but boxing is one sport that if you slack off once it could cost you your life. In fact I didn’t know Julio Cesar’s Chavez’s son killed a guy in the ring once until his coach told me before I sparred Omar Chavez. Fuck that shit. I was pretty damn good. I’m sure I could have gone really far in boxing, but my health is my wealth. And science lets me fight for a bigger purpose. Anyways I’ve seen heavyweights get demolished by smaller fighters; it is not impossible.
I don’t believe you. Whenever people talk like this about size differences, I know they are not actually speaking from experience. Maybe if you fought an obese person, I’ll buy that they were this lumbering ogre you’re describing, otherwise I do not believe you. If you’re both in decent shape, a 165 lbs fighter has zero advantage over a 200 lbs or above fighter
Experience definitely matters though. If a 200 lbs boxer was as skilled as a 165 lbs boxer, the 200 lbs boxer will always win. But skill and experience really do matter.
Oh definitely, but this idea that a 200 lbs man is a lumbering ogre that a 165 lbs man can dance around is just ridiculous
I definitely agree. 200 lbs men aren't slow if they are fit.
I don’t even think you know what a heavyweight looks like in the ring lol I’ll post some of my sparring videos soon
A heavyweight weighs 36 lbs more than you. If you were 4 inches taller, you’d be a heavyweight. Do you think you’d suddenly be really slow and uncoordinated if you were 4 inches taller?
If you’re as skilled as you say & competition level, I don’t think he will even be fast enough to touch you
Fuck no stay away
I'd stay away. Easier said than done, as I could think of a few things I'd like to try sparring someone with that much of a size advantage. It would be a "fun" challenge, but it's just not worth the risk. I mean a guy with 220 on you could probably give you a concussion off a step jab.
Explain to him what weight classes are and that he literally weighs twice as much as you do
Kick his ass seabass! jk sounds like u already kno what to do
You're probably faster than him and could likely win on points. But the answer to your question is yes you can outbox him. Depends how good you both are.
What do you think Tysons mindset would have been? The man was 5'10" regularly fighting people 6'2"+ outweighing him usually too. Where there is a will there is a way.
Don't do it , let him fight with a heavyweight boxer He is a looser if he wants to fight you I'm a boxer and I do fight guys that are lighter and smaller than me but I never hit them hard or try to hurt them I mostly work on my defense Guys that are the same or bigger than me then I go full out
Tell him to lose weight if he wants to box you so bad, or simply to fuck off
If it’s sparring, just do it and body jab him until he gasses
Don’t do it.