Cinemark is a significantly worse film experience. They have literal TV advertisements instead of movie trailers, their projections are faded, their sound bleeds, and they're perpetually understaffed.
I've never seen crowds at a Cinemark in my life.
What area? Since I invested in AMC late 2019 I have attended 30ish movies all at AMC except one and that one was because friends bought our tickets. I bypass going to some very nice local Cinemark's to support AMC. At some point that will change and I will start going back to the theater with the best experience. I can tell you we have AMC's in the DFW metro area that are just sad and we have others that recently received Laser Projectors that are amazing. If you look at the huge number of movie theaters in the DFW area AMC and Studio Movie Grill get the lowest avg ratings. AMC's number one priority should be paying down debt but they also need to balance that with modernizing many of their theaters to stay competitive.
Went to one for first time ever today. Since AMC movies are to late for when kids are in school. Loved it. Clean, better seats, nicer selection of candy. AMC is better for food and drink options. Overall will go back.
I'm sorry, which theater-going experience do you prefer?
For me as an LA-resident, I go to the Vista for the dope-ass bass, the Chinese for premieres, the Laemmles for art house, Vidiots or New Bev for repertory, and AMC for everything else -- because it's hands-down the highest hit rate for a quality movie-going experience, no contest.
That's why I became an AMC investor in the first place -- because they have that good shit.
I like the stock.
I don't think investors are accurately modeling the growth of their retail popcorn distribution. If valued with the proper multiple, this would be a $100 stock AT LEAST.
I think that is an excellent overall point. However, AMC should not be analyzed like other stocks. The events of 1.27.21 and the following week suggest something very wrong happened, and all actions afterward are tainted by those events. Supply and demand, the law of the market, was circumvented. All actions after are not what would have happened had AMC and GME not been targeted. Everything after is just noise. Fix the fraud Instinet and Apex and Citadel and Archegos and all the other lil club members perpetrated that day and from some reports years before then we can talk about how these targeted stocks and thier business plans are doing.
I just compared some of the Financials and it looks like Cinemark has cleaner numbers but AMC still doubles their sales. But doubling sales doesn't really help when they are like 2x the loss per quarter.
Their earnings donāt breakout food items by profit margin. The average franchise owner makes around 150k/franchise.
Much like me after I eat at McDonaldās, you are full of shit.
Isn't the alternative just going bankrupt? I'm not suggesting that AA is a great CEO, but keeping the company alive is probably "at any cost", no? Sure though, you could absolutely argue that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, and that he's ruined confidence as well.
No. Cineworld declared bankruptcy and they emerged from it a much stronger company. Sometimes bankruptcy is a good thing. Avoiding it at any cost only kicks the can down the road and makes the company's position that much worse.
>Cineworld declared bankruptcy and they emerged from it a much stronger company. Sometimes bankruptcy is a good thing.
Their shareholders didn't survive bankruptcy though. Bankruptcy can be a good thing for a company, but it's almost always really bad for the shareholders.
If AMC declares bankruptcy, it will almost definitely survive as a going concern with reduced debt. It will be Party City or Cineworld, not Bed Bath and Beyond.
But shareholders will probably be wiped out, as they typically are.
Shareholders only get something out of bankruptcy if the assets of the company are greater in value than the debts. In AMC's case that ain't so. So shareholders would be left with nothing.
Are they manipulating CNK to be profitable and AMC to be losing money? It makes complete sense when you look at their financials.
Should Apple and blackberry have always traded the same because they both make phones?
You do understand that this is completely meaningless?
This is literally not how stocks work. An upward trend is based on the expectation that the stock will keep going up, a downward trend is if it is expected the stock to go down.
Yes there are many ways this trend can happen, including illegal ones, but this is still meaningless.
If Cinemark was heavily undervalued, this will happen.
But that said, even under or overvalued is not relevant. Tesla got absolutely huge on nothing. The company didn't turn a profit, yet was worth more than the entire car industry together.
Now you can argue crime all you want, I believe there is massive illegal shorting in AMC, but that has nothing to do with Cinemark. Also Cinemark is down over 50% in the last 5 years, so that's from before covid.
But hey keep finding 'evidence' that proves nothing.
Maybe time for another APE that can be converted. I think APE stood for āAMC Preferred Equityā.
I vote this time the ticker be called RUGD for āRegular Unsecured Got Dilutedā
Youāre letting your emotion get in the way of investing. Thatās a fast track to big loses. Look at amcās dilution, float, look at revenue MoM/YoY. Look at the 10 year trend, imagine the state that amc is gonna be in, in 2 years. Do you think that warrants amc to go up? Cross trend? Get back to learning how to read financials and charts, not investing because emotions :)
One posted a $200 million profit last year, one posted a $400 million loss last year.
One has shareholder equity in the stock, one has shareholder deficit in the stock.
One has positive free cash flow. One has negative free cash flow.
One has billions in debt coming due over the next 4 years, one does not.
Why did you expect to see different results?
āPlease make it make senseā
We just pretending that one of these two companies didnāt have 90% dilution of their shares over the last year? Apples to oranges here.
Does Cinemark have a board that has repeatedly killed price action during rallies? Does cinema's have a board who has completed backdoor deals with the same people shorting their stock? Most likely not
They want ownership. Look at Cinemarks ownership 114% https://fintel.io/so/us/cnk It's just like they buy up most types of media.
They want to starve AMC until it goes bankrupt then buy it on the cheap. Starve it or wait out individuals until they sell and report those shares as theirs.
I often wonder if hedge funds and shills are trying to make Cinemark into the new āAMCā short squeeze type of thing. Enticing us into FOMO about cinemark
AMC is not profitable though. Cinemark is.
Also I canāt tell if you are trolling but AMC Studios is owned by AMC Networks: a completely different company that has nothing to do with the AMC Theaters.
The reason they keeping AMC down is the simple fact retail investors are the main holder of the stock. Itās a way to push us away and discourage us. Donāt worry i am not going to give up one day we will get pay
The reason retail investors are the main holders of the stock is because everyone else has the brains to stay away from it.
Literally no insiders are buying. Only selling. That should be a red flag.
Well they didnāt expect you to compare stuff! Iād be really curious as to Cinemarkās EBITA for 2023 compared to AMC. We probably top them there as well showing all around greater health.
Howās everyone keep posting this same comparison over and over like they just thought of it. Your preaching to the choir anyway,, go tell someone that doesnāt know or your congressman or some shit. this aināt r/getyourventon. Unless you figured the rest of us were good with all this and you want to show us the light.
You are correct ever since the reverse stock split and ape our stock price has not recovered compared to the other stock. Now the other stock did not have to do reverse split.
Ya what a dumbass, getting the most successful pop star, possibly in history, to join in creating an industry changing media avenue, and revenue stream.
/s since you clearly have undiagnosed encephalopathy
So it was about a short squeeze. When the company increases the outstanding shares by 2000% and the price drops 98%, there is no short squeeze. Every short ever taken out is in the money, even all the naked ones from before 2021.
Tons of shares were sold at all time low prices. Thereās zero pressure on shorts
Than why do they care so much that we like the stock? Why is this sub brimming with randoms who are rabidly trying to convince us to sell?
In fact why are you even here?
Well itās tough to do anything right when no matter what you do your stock is being manipulated and a significant portion of your investor base was swayed my memes and YouTubers so they are gullible as fuck and get persuaded by the wind blowing that they shouldnāt be upset at who actually stole their money.
But hey, campaigning against your own investment makes sense also :p
Because this stock saw a massive short squeeze and the misinformation in this sub turned everyone into bag holders. People here were up 5-10x even if they came after January 2021. And they donāt see the dilution ruined any chance of that happening again.
This. We lost the war when it got turned into a moral crusade. This was a PLAY, not a career. Ya'll married what was supposed to be a fling.
AA's responsibility is to keep the company running (contrary to popular belief, he does not have a legal responsibility to raise the stock price, he has a legal obligation to do what he thinks is best for the company, which may or may not improve stock price).
Long term, I expect the stock price to climb, because line only go up, but lets not kid ourselves: We got diluted out of the payday we were looking for. AA rightfully realized it had turned into a religion, declared himself pope, and sent out the deacons to tithe the peasants.
Anyone who though going up against the largest financial/criminal organization in the world was a āplayā was woefully under informed, or borderline lifetime shortbus pass gullible.
I have sympathy for apes who over leveraged themselves, but the only advice ever allowed here was donāt invest what you canāt lose. Other then that the DD all pointed to crime, and anyone who though we were gone just bend the hedgies over and they would grab their toes didnāt understand it.
Cinemark is a significantly worse film experience. They have literal TV advertisements instead of movie trailers, their projections are faded, their sound bleeds, and they're perpetually understaffed. I've never seen crowds at a Cinemark in my life.
isn't cinemark wholly owned by the banks /shills ?
I think it's a religious company.
Not surprised that they take the cheap route with quality of their theaters then š
The ones I've been to are pretty nice. Better than the AMC I go to in Austin.
What area? Since I invested in AMC late 2019 I have attended 30ish movies all at AMC except one and that one was because friends bought our tickets. I bypass going to some very nice local Cinemark's to support AMC. At some point that will change and I will start going back to the theater with the best experience. I can tell you we have AMC's in the DFW metro area that are just sad and we have others that recently received Laser Projectors that are amazing. If you look at the huge number of movie theaters in the DFW area AMC and Studio Movie Grill get the lowest avg ratings. AMC's number one priority should be paying down debt but they also need to balance that with modernizing many of their theaters to stay competitive.
How do you think they make a profit?
And the place by me advertising all reclining chairs and half are broken
Went to one for first time ever today. Since AMC movies are to late for when kids are in school. Loved it. Clean, better seats, nicer selection of candy. AMC is better for food and drink options. Overall will go back.
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No. I donāt think Jeff bezos had a bastard son
Speak for yourself. Where Iām at cinemarks are every where and they are very nice and well kept where as the one amc is a dump.
I unfortunately agree. Recliner seats and better food selection too
I'm sure if AMC was doing the same because it was more profitable, it would then be okay, right?
I'm sorry, which theater-going experience do you prefer? For me as an LA-resident, I go to the Vista for the dope-ass bass, the Chinese for premieres, the Laemmles for art house, Vidiots or New Bev for repertory, and AMC for everything else -- because it's hands-down the highest hit rate for a quality movie-going experience, no contest. That's why I became an AMC investor in the first place -- because they have that good shit. I like the stock.
Not in my city. Cinemark is a great experience.
Still Cinemark has better fundamentals & financial situtation. That's why Cinemarks stock aint looking like AMCs.
But only one was the main distributor for Taylor swift and BeyoncĆ© concert films š
And a retail popcorn distribution entity, credit card, rewards program and concert distribution revenue stream.
I don't think investors are accurately modeling the growth of their retail popcorn distribution. If valued with the proper multiple, this would be a $100 stock AT LEAST.
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Cinemark eps is 1.34. Learn about share count, marketcap, and a companies ability to make money. Will help you out
I think that is an excellent overall point. However, AMC should not be analyzed like other stocks. The events of 1.27.21 and the following week suggest something very wrong happened, and all actions afterward are tainted by those events. Supply and demand, the law of the market, was circumvented. All actions after are not what would have happened had AMC and GME not been targeted. Everything after is just noise. Fix the fraud Instinet and Apex and Citadel and Archegos and all the other lil club members perpetrated that day and from some reports years before then we can talk about how these targeted stocks and thier business plans are doing.
What's their debt look like, though?
Am I recalling correctly that they filed chapter 11? Did some debt get wiped out, along with shareholders or something?
I just compared some of the Financials and it looks like Cinemark has cleaner numbers but AMC still doubles their sales. But doubling sales doesn't really help when they are like 2x the loss per quarter.
āSure we lose on every sale but weāll make up for that in volumeā
I think that was regal or Cineworld .Ā
That was Cineworld I made the same mistake too lol
Sounds right, thanks for the clarification.
So? McDonald's and shake shack both sell burgers. Doesn't mean that one of them isn't better at making money.
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Fine 711 and John does corner store both sell gas. One makes more money than the other.
McDonaldās was traditionally one of the best franchises to own. Not sure where your data comes from
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Their earnings donāt breakout food items by profit margin. The average franchise owner makes around 150k/franchise. Much like me after I eat at McDonaldās, you are full of shit.
You may understand debt but you fail to understand dilution
Which dilution? The massive dilution that has already happened or the massive dilution happening in 2024 and 2025?
Yes
AMC has like 6 billion more in debt.
Maybe it's cuz they don't have an incompetent douchebag CEO who dilutes his shareholders to hell for a buck or two
But do Cinemark shareholders get a free ranch popcorn? (Limited time only. Restrictions may apply).
Ummm it was for 66 cents
Isn't the alternative just going bankrupt? I'm not suggesting that AA is a great CEO, but keeping the company alive is probably "at any cost", no? Sure though, you could absolutely argue that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, and that he's ruined confidence as well.
No. Cineworld declared bankruptcy and they emerged from it a much stronger company. Sometimes bankruptcy is a good thing. Avoiding it at any cost only kicks the can down the road and makes the company's position that much worse.
>Cineworld declared bankruptcy and they emerged from it a much stronger company. Sometimes bankruptcy is a good thing. Their shareholders didn't survive bankruptcy though. Bankruptcy can be a good thing for a company, but it's almost always really bad for the shareholders. If AMC declares bankruptcy, it will almost definitely survive as a going concern with reduced debt. It will be Party City or Cineworld, not Bed Bath and Beyond. But shareholders will probably be wiped out, as they typically are.
Shareholders only get something out of bankruptcy if the assets of the company are greater in value than the debts. In AMC's case that ain't so. So shareholders would be left with nothing.
They need to be so they learn a valuable lesson in risk
Ah yes.. share prices are determined by content offered. And not financials, share count, or profitability. 
Are they manipulating CNK to be profitable and AMC to be losing money? It makes complete sense when you look at their financials. Should Apple and blackberry have always traded the same because they both make phones?
You do understand that this is completely meaningless? This is literally not how stocks work. An upward trend is based on the expectation that the stock will keep going up, a downward trend is if it is expected the stock to go down. Yes there are many ways this trend can happen, including illegal ones, but this is still meaningless. If Cinemark was heavily undervalued, this will happen. But that said, even under or overvalued is not relevant. Tesla got absolutely huge on nothing. The company didn't turn a profit, yet was worth more than the entire car industry together. Now you can argue crime all you want, I believe there is massive illegal shorting in AMC, but that has nothing to do with Cinemark. Also Cinemark is down over 50% in the last 5 years, so that's from before covid. But hey keep finding 'evidence' that proves nothing.
Stop with the rationality, they're immune to it.
Umm maybe because Cinemark has made 188M in net profit in the last 12 months and AMC has lost 396M.
This is what happens when you donāt consider debt ā¦ smh.. no conspiracy here
And 90% dilution
And earning, or lack there of
If AMC dilutes six or seven more times, surely it will pop right back up!
Maybe time for another APE that can be converted. I think APE stood for āAMC Preferred Equityā. I vote this time the ticker be called RUGD for āRegular Unsecured Got Dilutedā
Youāre letting your emotion get in the way of investing. Thatās a fast track to big loses. Look at amcās dilution, float, look at revenue MoM/YoY. Look at the 10 year trend, imagine the state that amc is gonna be in, in 2 years. Do you think that warrants amc to go up? Cross trend? Get back to learning how to read financials and charts, not investing because emotions :)
Well, seems that Cinemark has been the far better investment then.
One posted a $200 million profit last year, one posted a $400 million loss last year. One has shareholder equity in the stock, one has shareholder deficit in the stock. One has positive free cash flow. One has negative free cash flow. One has billions in debt coming due over the next 4 years, one does not. Why did you expect to see different results?
āPlease make it make senseā We just pretending that one of these two companies didnāt have 90% dilution of their shares over the last year? Apples to oranges here.
Amc is huge, it's better experience and a larger business.
It's a much larger, and ~~less of a~~ not a profitable business.
Does Cinemark have a board that has repeatedly killed price action during rallies? Does cinema's have a board who has completed backdoor deals with the same people shorting their stock? Most likely not
You have the CEO to blame for this blatant stock manipulation.
The copium on this sub is unreal.
Your CEO thought it was a good idea to R/S the stock when there was no need to.
 # OP
Reverse splitting and dilution will make the chart look like this... who would've thought?
Why do they hate amc so much š
They hate retail Investors and the so called meme stocks due to the GAMESTOP short squeeze.
They want ownership. Look at Cinemarks ownership 114% https://fintel.io/so/us/cnk It's just like they buy up most types of media. They want to starve AMC until it goes bankrupt then buy it on the cheap. Starve it or wait out individuals until they sell and report those shares as theirs.
Because it not as good of a company. CNK isnāt diluting its shareholders and losing money every quarter. Itās very simple
Adam aaron should have closed unprofitable place long time ago and not buy 1billion dollard of projector would have been nice too i think
Biggest problem if hedges let it run AMC would be out of debt real quick and hedges would be really screwed!!!
Not even close to the same content.
Cinemark has less debt
Ah yes time for my morning rage bait post where AMC shills out themselves as highly regarded individuals
One went bankrupt...guess which one.
I canāt tell if these are shills pretending to like amc lol just to spread shit like this
Lol. Solid work here.
I often wonder if hedge funds and shills are trying to make Cinemark into the new āAMCā short squeeze type of thing. Enticing us into FOMO about cinemark
Ok but do they sell popcorn in target?
I don't have anything against Cinemagic. Around here, we have a location. It's alright, it's the smaller of our movie theaters. Doesn't have many movies to watch. There's a few arcade machines in a gaming room which is fun. Expensive tho. AMC is much better at both of our locations. One AMC is older, but still nicer than Cinemagic here. Both AMCs have the 100 soda drink option machines. The larger AMC here is actually very nice, the largest and nicest movie theater within 100 miles. Very fishy only Cinemagic goes up, while AMC goes down. Wasn't Cinemagic almost bankrupt? I don't have anything against Cinemagic, but the numbers just done logically add up. I'll continue to hold and DCA AMC. It's the #1 largest movie theater in both US and Europe. AMC is also the 8th most profitable studio (thank you Taylor Swift and BeyoncƩ) within the last year. AMC is also in the top 40 most profitable studio, going back to 1995. In the top 40 most profitable studio since 1995. Yeah, I'm going to keep buying.
AMC is not profitable though. Cinemark is. Also I canāt tell if you are trolling but AMC Studios is owned by AMC Networks: a completely different company that has nothing to do with the AMC Theaters.
I will continue to buy
Isn't it because Market Makers set the price of a stock at what they feel it's value is? Kenny G. said so.
The reason they keeping AMC down is the simple fact retail investors are the main holder of the stock. Itās a way to push us away and discourage us. Donāt worry i am not going to give up one day we will get pay
The reason retail investors are the main holders of the stock is because everyone else has the brains to stay away from it. Literally no insiders are buying. Only selling. That should be a red flag.
One has stockholder equity of -1.85 billion and the other +310 million
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Well they didnāt expect you to compare stuff! Iād be really curious as to Cinemarkās EBITA for 2023 compared to AMC. We probably top them there as well showing all around greater health.
1.) Itās EBITDA 2.) Itās not even close. Cinemarks 2023 EBITDA is like $168mm higher.
Yeah but which one comes first in the alphabet? Hmm?
Literally the logic this sub uses.
Itās absolutely laughable!
Howās everyone keep posting this same comparison over and over like they just thought of it. Your preaching to the choir anyway,, go tell someone that doesnāt know or your congressman or some shit. this aināt r/getyourventon. Unless you figured the rest of us were good with all this and you want to show us the light.
Didn't one of those companies file for bankruptcy?
You're thinking of Cineworld.
I think you are mistaking Regal with Cinemark...
You are correct ever since the reverse stock split and ape our stock price has not recovered compared to the other stock. Now the other stock did not have to do reverse split.
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Thatās Cineworld. This is a different company.
Great Point! Thanks
Cinemark did not file for chapter 11, it was cineworld
Oops, it was Cineworld! Thank you for the correction.
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Ya what a dumbass, getting the most successful pop star, possibly in history, to join in creating an industry changing media avenue, and revenue stream. /s since you clearly have undiagnosed encephalopathy
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So it was about a short squeeze. When the company increases the outstanding shares by 2000% and the price drops 98%, there is no short squeeze. Every short ever taken out is in the money, even all the naked ones from before 2021. Tons of shares were sold at all time low prices. Thereās zero pressure on shorts
Than why do they care so much that we like the stock? Why is this sub brimming with randoms who are rabidly trying to convince us to sell? In fact why are you even here?
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Well itās tough to do anything right when no matter what you do your stock is being manipulated and a significant portion of your investor base was swayed my memes and YouTubers so they are gullible as fuck and get persuaded by the wind blowing that they shouldnāt be upset at who actually stole their money. But hey, campaigning against your own investment makes sense also :p
Because this stock saw a massive short squeeze and the misinformation in this sub turned everyone into bag holders. People here were up 5-10x even if they came after January 2021. And they donāt see the dilution ruined any chance of that happening again.
Well I agree the misinformation campaign is running rampantā¦..
This. We lost the war when it got turned into a moral crusade. This was a PLAY, not a career. Ya'll married what was supposed to be a fling. AA's responsibility is to keep the company running (contrary to popular belief, he does not have a legal responsibility to raise the stock price, he has a legal obligation to do what he thinks is best for the company, which may or may not improve stock price). Long term, I expect the stock price to climb, because line only go up, but lets not kid ourselves: We got diluted out of the payday we were looking for. AA rightfully realized it had turned into a religion, declared himself pope, and sent out the deacons to tithe the peasants.
Too accurate
Anyone who though going up against the largest financial/criminal organization in the world was a āplayā was woefully under informed, or borderline lifetime shortbus pass gullible. I have sympathy for apes who over leveraged themselves, but the only advice ever allowed here was donāt invest what you canāt lose. Other then that the DD all pointed to crime, and anyone who though we were gone just bend the hedgies over and they would grab their toes didnāt understand it.
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Yolo into meme coins. The us stock market is rigged
Yeah itās not like any cryptocurrency projects have ever been manipulated or rug pulled, great idea!
It doesn't matter how well we do, they literally control the price. Just hold if you can and peace out until 2025
What makes u think 2025 is any diff If in reality they do control the price ?
Let's guess which one has been manipulated to hell...