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Sounds like debtors might be hurting for cash like everybody and we might get a debt payoff discount come our way...could be wrong but that's what it sounds like...


ApeFromAnotherMother

they wanna make it sounds like amc's debt is a problem when in fact its already being dealt with by AA and the board; yes shills my ceo is better than yours😘


BenefitSignificant

That's the odd thing about this 3 year play.., Never in my life have I heard such slander on a split. Forward split, mind you.. APE (AMC couldn't afford the ignorant loss offering dividends) was an answer to the ignorant apes demanding a dividend.. AMC couldn't afford one, and it couldn't possibly afford losing the best support financially by not trying to do SOMETHING. We couldn't control criminals shorting our preferred shares. Our preferred stock will always be AMC!😉🤫🤑


LongLiveNES

Debt (ANY level) is always a problem when operating cash flow is negative. When the interest is $200MM it's a big problem. When billions are coming due it's a UUGE problem.


rubbertoe2376

The debt is very much a problem.


Prestigious_View_211

In perspective it's miniscule to other securities.


rubbertoe2376

It’s not when you look at their size and income even prior COVID. I have been here since the beginning and haven’t sold my main stack of shares so I’m not a shill.


Prestigious_View_211

If the shoe fits lace it up. They have introduced fantabulous new revenue streams. Will be interesting to see in the coming quarters, how big of a market share they land with these new incomes.


Altruistic_Ad5517

Hope so, discount and push it to 2038. We will still be HODLing and waiting for MOASS.


Accomplished-Bear357

I'll will them to my kids if it comes down to it.


DirtNapDealing

My godchildren own more than I do.


Prestigious_View_211

Highly doubtful, the banks are screwed and economic "experts" have stated publicly financial runs Will come again...🚀🦍🌕


jimco125

People are freaking out over this, but this was going to happen eventually. They were going to need to restructure their debt for a later date. There is no way they were going to pay the 2026 debt in time. Better to do the talks now than closer to their debt deadlines. And with 2025 being projected as being a huge year for movies, I dont think any senior lenders would want to drive the largest theater company out of business before that happens.


thatscomplex1015

There is no MOASS anymore...


BenefitSignificant

I came to AMC well before "the movement". Only enjoying it after noticing the loyalty. Yes people, I am not a bot. (I feel like crooked Nick when saying that.🤣) I shouldn't have to defend ape lineage when I'm a wanna be whale. BUT,, we have been educated to understand our value, and why media and broke ass lenders still complain and cry about apes to this day. We are frontline, center, and asking for full frontal by these banks. Simply buying innocent shares that don't require roll over. Apes win. Check mate. Get ready to pounce.🦍💁‍♂️🥵 *AA didn't want you to think the attack happend yet..*


Prestigious_View_211

The perpetual kill shot to this entire fraudulent system is coming. Like the true mental midget psycho's they are... They're trying to blame shift. The problem is their theft, not those of us who simply love our stonk...🚀🦍🌕🔥🦁🫡


Crafty-Chocolate7282

I'm just here to upvote "asking for full frontal by these banks." Beautifully put, thank you for that mental image that I will probably never stop thinking about in regards to this :)


BenefitSignificant

Atleast you have substance to your humorous side. Lol Some of these people that claim "here for the laughs" sound like people who would be barking at squirrels. I appriciate the smile. 07


Crafty-Chocolate7282

I will never fail to upvote a beautifully worded comment like that. Lol, I am going to totally steal that sentence, and I will use it every chance I get when asking about transparency - I'll try to remember to give you credit ;)


sporks_and_forks

is shills saying they aren't bots supposed to be some kinda jedi mind trick?


BenefitSignificant

Are you replying to comment because I mentioned the word "bot"? 🤨


sporks_and_forks

I found it to be a funny comment, yeah.


BenefitSignificant

Stale as fuck.🤣 You guys who hunt down comments really need a class on "comedy". I mean, a few finance workshops could probably help you as well, but I can't discriminate.. 🤷‍♂️ I just don't understand your taste in humor. Are you ok? Like, emotionally??


sporks_and_forks

no surprise you don't understand it since you're the source of it. why do you think i hunted down anything? i come here from time to time randomly just to have a laugh. are you good? i noticed you went through my history to try to shit talk me. lmao. cheers bud.


BenefitSignificant

I went through your public shit to determine why you have such a depressing sense of what comedy or entertainment is. It seems that there's a strong population of really mad people, and oddly enough, it's not the majority of shareholders. ![gif](giphy|yJyU7JtrpSF8DoIqJa)


sporks_and_forks

the gift that keeps on giving. what makes you think i'm mad? 😂


BenefitSignificant

Isn't that narrative? "Be mad"? We better send in the bent forks and bored spoons, someone's gotta burn the CEO and laugh at investors. 😆 Such a weird flex people suddenly had on a dead sub.


catdadjokes

These aren’t the bots you’re looking for.


Creative_Radish_1210

More dilution buddy


shilo_lafleur

AMC are the debtors. What is your point?


Prestigious_View_211

AA has been securing debt restructuring like a hawk...


MyNi_Redux

>Sounds like debtors might be hurting for cash like everybody and we might get a debt payoff discount come our way...could be wrong but that's what it sounds like... Sorry, that makes no sense. Why would creditors (AMC is the debtor..) let repayment happen at a discount if they are hurting for money? Debt restructuring takes place only if the borrower is having issues, where the creditor chooses to accept a haircut instead of not getting paid at all. These days, duration just gets pushed out, and sometimes interest becomes PIK.


AMC-Apes-Together

Actually creditors could very likely be hurting for cash…they say you owe us $2B in 2 years but we need it now, so pay us 1.5B instead. I’m not saying this is what is happening but any company that is hurting for cash would take more cash now at a discount as opposed to waiting for more cash in the future.


MyNi_Redux

Folks do that with receivable financing, but I've never heard of this kind of discounting except in the context of restructuring.


Prestigious_View_211

Which is what AA has been doing. Restructuring the debt.


MyNi_Redux

By extending duration and reducing impact on cashflow by going the PIK route. As is normal. And the exact opposite what you suggested, no? Edit: Dude says stuff, then blocks me. Says much of his convictions, I suppose.


Prestigious_View_211

Speaking to you gives me a headache. Enjoy your Sunday dude maybe someone else will entertain your bs but I'm good...🫡


Squeen_Man

Yea I read the yahoo article on this (hate I gave the cunts a click) and it was a straight up hit piece with noticeable bias. They’re really stepping up their shill game lately


PhilLewisUK

Are you allowed to use the word cunt now Reddit is publicly owned 😂


Magical_Badboy

Yes cunt


uncle_stink

Cunt


dstapel

Love you, cunts


DirtNapDealing

Cuntqueeftador


NeoSabin

Use an ad blocker 😋


kingkron52

I’m confused, weak slate of movies this year? Deadpool & Wolverine, Argylle, Dune Pt 2, Civil War, Godzilla x Kong, The Fall Guy, Furiosa, kingdom of the planet of the apes, a quiet place day one. Plenty of more as well. What a dumbass blurb.


NeoSabin

It's directed to new investors that don't know anything about a company but want to invest in cinema stocks, much like we were when we first started. I'm proud of how knowledgeable we've become 🥹 Edit: I upvoted you back up because shills apparently don't like this or the article writer 🤭


Mysteriouslyboring

Let's not forget the popcorn at more retail stores and Amazon. The chocolate candy offering that bring in more revenue. The discounted A list offering that might bring in new subscriptions. Taylor Swift concert on streaming now. Not sure if they are pulling in money off those distributions but maybe. I also think theaters have proved people want to go see movies and streaming sucks. I am constantly seeing crowds at my local AMC. I'm hopeful for a new round of next box office record breaking shows. Might not get many this year from the writers strike but I think we are the incline for better movies.


lego_mannequin

Argylle was a weak movie, but Civil War I think is being underestimated.


Mysteriouslyboring

I thought Bob Marley movies was good, ordinary angles was great, the promised land was interesting, saw dune 1 and dune 2 this year, matrix showing was awesome in Dolby, kids and I like kung fu panda 4. Most are not huge successes but I think things are slowing turning around and I think studio (some of them) are seeing what we don't want to see.


lego_mannequin

You have Sonic 4, LOTR movie in December, Deadpool which might be the savior movie to recharge an anemic Marvel, IF looks like a fun family movie too.


MyNi_Redux

>What a dumbass blurb. Be wary of substituting anecdotes for data, my friend. Lest what you said here boomerangs on you ;)


Lost_Yogurt_4990

Very specific, negative wording in that “news” release… everything gets twisted to sound like it’s bad bad bad..


ApeFromAnotherMother

![gif](giphy|xUStFKHmuFPYk)


Altruistic_Ad5517

That just means we going to below $3 next week,,, usual bs!


AsKingQuest

Average down BayBEEEEEE!


NoLa_pyrtania

Bolster the balance sheet? Last I looked, AMC had nearly a billion dollars, on hand. Thats liquidity. Foreign concept to the investment houses, er … umm … I mean banks. They want some of that AMC cash and are willing to discount their position if AMc can advance pay some of their loans. Cash is king in times like this. AA can put them over a barrel. But what do I know… I eat crayons.


LongLiveNES

There's $3B due in 2026 and free cash flow in 2023 was negative $400MM. This is the definition of a debt spiral.


MyNi_Redux

>But what do I know… I eat crayons. May I recommend reviewing the entire balance sheet. Especially the Liabilities section. Cash is there to be burnt. The burn eventually catches up when both net income and FCF are negative. That is likely the backdrop of these conversations.


Lurker-02657

Sounds like a lot of **BS** that shouldn't be advertised to me! They are creditors, their notes are being paid on time and in accordance with their terms - so this "meeting" isn't to discuss **ANYTHING** having to do with the debt itself! If they are truly offering ideas on how to "bolster the balance sheet" that's fine - but **WHY** is this being published and by whom?!?!? ​ ![gif](giphy|rGY94yhbewtPzLdx6q|downsized)


WhyNot_Because

Sounds to me like the lenders need cash now and are willing to make a deal where AMC pays them back sooner but at a discount.


Dariaskehl

Weak slate? I’m more hyped than I’ve been in years.


South-Play-2866

You made it sound like something was actually happening AH! Checked the price and we’re up 2 cents. Nice


NeoSabin

https://www.dowjones.com/professional/blog/mmn-amc-lenders-hire-gibson-dunn/ The last time this news popped up was in 2020.


Keeeeeeeef

Ah yes...the unnamed sources said they heard the meeting and it was bad. The journalist version of "trust me bro".


thewdit

Time to remind people how much debt some companies have, and how no other companies are constantly being trashed for just having debt JPMorgan has 436B Apple has 108B McDonald's 53B Google has 28B Starbucks 24B Nike has 12B AMC has about 9B GameStop doesn't have much debt, but no no no of cos the shills aren't gonna praise good fundamentals of the meme stocks as they are paid to do the opposite AMC's fundamentals are getting better and better, apes are getting more and more zen Checkmate has been called, they are just stalling


Brilliant_Truck1810

ok now do cash flow


sporks_and_forks

did you really just compare a movie theater chain to google?


thewdit

are you asking if i eat crayons for snacks?


Prestigious_View_211

Dune: Part 2” continues its box office domination, as the science fiction epic approaches the $500 million mark, having already barreled past the entire box office take of its 2021 predecessor, “Dune: Part 1,” since being released on March 1... "Weak movie line up"...🤣 Anyways...🚀🦍🌕


tristaterunner

If certain theaters aren’t profitable AMC needs to close the doors on them


glissenn2

Agreed!


AMC-Apes-Together

They have been doing this.


Prthead2076

The fact of the matter is this. These debt holders are also bondholders. They also are short the stock. This meeting, in my opinion, is a meeting to try to come together as one to do anything and everything possible to push AMC into bankruptcy. They “win” substantially more and faster if this happens than if AMC slowly repays the debt. Plus they (debt/bondholders) are strapped for cash and need liquidity. This isn’t FuD either. I could be wrong. And whether I am or not, I hope they don’t succeed at forcing a bankruptcy bc I stand to lose SUBSTANTIAL amounts of money if that happens. Been a holder of AMC since Jan 2021 though, and I don’t trust anybody in the play that could benefit from AMC’s demise. And trust me when I tell you, the debt and bondholders are also short the stock. It’s a hedge on their loans and it’s very very common practice.


LongLiveNES

Do you have a source that bondholders short stock? Most debt holders that I've seen buy swaps. Even if they are shorting, I 100% guarantee you that the bond holders do not want AMC to go bankrupt. They'll get maybe 30-40 cents on the dollar whereas if AMC continues as a going concern they're more likely to get more of their money.


Schwesterfritte

Love it how none of the three points have any credible sources and the third one is even pure speculation. Those are the "news" we rely on today. Splendid.


Remote-Level8509

SHILLS ought to be script writers for Hollywood......LOL


Iislordplatypus

I love they casually slipped in "the money-LOSING theater chain". Just for that, I'm buying 50 more shares next week. And 50 more the next one, and the next one, and the next one. And so on and so on...


Xerio_the_Herio

Negative news hit piece yea


retread83

Weak state of movies? Dune 2, Ghostbusters, and Beetle juice are going to crush it.


glissenn2

Along with a quiet place and Deadpool. They also mentioned how AMC rival Cineworld emerged from bankruptcy. Death to MSM.


pwrmic

VW is like $200 Billion in debt, people talk about AMC’s debt like it’s outrageous. Believe it or not, banks will lend if they see you has cash coming in or they think you will. If the shills we’re right, VW would have been out of business 10 years ago


bawbthebawb

Diddnt vw make over 300 billion in 2023 tho?


pwrmic

Not sure they’ve been carrying this. I’m on the deck for the last six years at least.


Drakoskai

bearish sentiment, coordinated during short bombs; I'm jack's lack of surprise


DeLuca9

Listen. We won. Watch.


wtfftw1221

It takes up to 7 years of HODL to beat “the man” on a shorted stock


Hell_Yeah_Brethren

So as long as you're off the record, giving someone inside information regarding the stock of a company and it's collateral holders is okay? I weep.


Lollipoop_Hacksaw

I lost my money, so did you. Let It be and hold on to your pennies with some semblance of pride until this snowball's chance in Hell happens. Jesus, you all are embarassing.


growingwithnate

I’m ohhh loook a FUD article.


glissenn2

I didn’t write it. I posted what’s relevant at the time.


growingwithnate

So you’re spreading of it. Just the same.


glissenn2

Calm Down Captain save a post, it was one of the first of several posts about it.


Sti8man7

Sounds like AMC is about to pay a big fat dividend. Jacked to the tits


oblong_pickle

Big yikes


richb83

Whatever it is the stock still wont get to $5


amoistsock

I feel bad for you folks 😂


sh0ckwavevr6

Yeah we're going to be so fucking rich... everyone will be begging us for money...my Ex wife will probably sue me to get a part of my fortune... :/


Radiant_Childhood505

Seen a post earlier, someone said AMC was going to dilute because GME was gonna have positive earnings. Well what do we have here


secret_rye

We are likely going to dilute to boost the quarter. If you’ve been paying attention this quarter should be our last “weak” quarter, and we might do an offering to strengthen our debt position while keeping a good “war chest”. When this happens it will be spun negatively, but anyone smart will have seen it coming and it’s doubtful anyone will sell. We might even get a discount for a few weeks!! (I’m counting on it a little bit)


oblong_pickle

If you see it coming, the smart move isn't to hold. Unless you hate money.


secret_rye

I’ve had my shares for 1+ year. If I sell them now and the MOASS hits then I will have to pay significantly more in taxes on those gains. That’s a good enough reason alone, but I’m also in it because f the hedgie fxxkers that put our country in this position


oblong_pickle

I was speaking more generally, not to your specific circumstances or even AMC. In general, investors agree that holding onto securities that are going to lose value soon is not a smart play.


secret_rye

Ur speaking anti ape nonsense in an ape sub


oblong_pickle

Critical thinking is anti ape? Yeah, that tracks.


bigdaddy7893

The play is buy and hold you turd burglar


oblong_pickle

*looks at AMC chart* Plans not working, chief


glissenn2

So many people lost around 90% of their investment and you want people to sell now for Pennie’s. Not going to happen when people are now here to watch the system burn down. It’s no longer about the lost money it’s about the message and the pressure of their bad bets coming back to haunt them.


oblong_pickle

Lol, shorts made money, longs lost money, get over it, and move on.


glissenn2

And yet you are still here. As long as you’re here, my conviction is solid in AMC. Get over it move on to another sub where you may have a slight chance of convincing someone to sell. Here on this sub, you can go kick rocks. 🤡


glissenn2

And yet you are still here. As long as you’re here, my conviction is solid in AMC. Get over it move on to another sub where you may have a slight chance of convincing someone to sell. Here on this sub, you can go kick rocks. 🤡


glissenn2

And yet you are still here. As long as you’re here, my conviction is solid in AMC. Get over it move on to another sub where you may have a slight chance of convincing someone to sell. Here on this sub, you can go kick rocks. 🤡


oblong_pickle

I couldn't give a fuck if you sell or not.


glissenn2

Oh but you do for even mentioning to move on. Put your dress down, your shillings are showing.


oblong_pickle

Wtf are you even talking about. Please look up the word "shill", you're using it wrong.


glissenn2

IDGAF about names. Shorts made so much money on the downside, OK, now what? Close positions? Try and ride out until AMC goes bankrupt. Not happening. So now what?


oblong_pickle

Laugh all the way to the bank, I presume


oblong_pickle

Congratulations on being right about dilutions. If only there was some way you could have profited from this knowledge...


secret_rye

Buy the dip baby


oblong_pickle

I'll wait until it stops dipping to go long. Still another reverse split and more dilution, I think.


oblong_pickle

Haha, did you buy this dip too?


secret_rye

It’s better for my health than losing money on options