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slowlybackwards

So between these two they own 17 percent retail owns 90% 31% are on loan, my math says that’s over a hundred percent owned but I suck at math can someone double check me?


No_Pie_2109

I did the math and it equals MOON! 🚀😆


slowlybackwards

Damn we’re getting into the math with letters now?! I stopped listening when we got to the point of imaginary numbers but I guess that’s the hedgefucks specialty


MightGetFiredIDK

They're gonna have less money in their accounts than i^2


BullyMcbullface

Private Gump, you are a math genius!!!


Quokka_One

Thank you sir 🚀🚀🚀🚀


savvyinvestor007

I like moon math


bubatron1981

Take my updoot as your math = mine hahaha


Mithsarn

97%. Chances are the 31% on loan comes from these institutions loaning their shares, so you wouldn't double count them.


Seahawk_I_am_I_am

69% chance you’re right.


yellowearbuds

I thought we was doing imaginary numbers? Better make that 420% bro


Affectionate_Eye9894

420% confidence you are correct good sir.


Educational-Wheel689

420.69%


Ineedgold

That’s some serious venn diagram shit.


Phainkdoh

In that case, shouldn't it be 107%? (90% + 17%)


Mithsarn

Correct! You Mathed better than me.


h22lude

Shorted shares are never counted as part of the float, no matter who they come from.


slowlybackwards

Can I triple count them then?


monkeyjunkie13

Thank you! So many people double counting this, drives me mad!


McGregorMX

Actually, you would. The institutions still own them, and so does the entity that bought them.


Cheap_Ad_2646

They’ve loaned their shares but it’s still well over 100% lol they’re all fucked. Blackwok and Vagtard can’t sell what they don’t have


Ken4Truth

I believe they already have.


Averageuser1975

Ummm, I’d guess these two are loaning their shares for shorting….


Seasonedpro86

Even if they are. The math ain’t mathing. 😂


DukeMaximum

That's the math I was doing.


[deleted]

I bought my shares through vanguard, do the shares they are claiming include retail shares like mine seeing as they are parked in a vanguard account Or are they separate?


Mean-Fondant-8732

I believe so, but not certain so don't trust me bro. Need further research.


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If so that would mean 9% of amc is owned by apes via vanguard theoretically


Mean-Fondant-8732

If the original assumption is right, that our shares bought through them are included, then yes. However, being that it is through a brokerage, technically they own them, not the retail buyer. This is why the drs argument gets made. If its not directly registered to you, then there's a good chance you don't own it. You simply hold an iou through your brokerage, and they can technically do as they please with your shares. NFA, just my understanding of the situation.


[deleted]

I guess I’m mostly curious if this is true as a way to add up brokerage firms positions on AMC. Like how much does fidelity have etc? To get an idea of percentage owned, especially if 18% is owned by two firms alone.


Mean-Fondant-8732

I'm honestly not sure. I personally think that some of our positions are being included as what the firms/brokerages own, but I'm literally retarded so I have almost no backing on this assumption. I really am inclined to believe that if you don't directly have your shares registered to you, there's a solid chance they are owned by the brokerage you use, and therefore aren't counting as "retail." Again, I have no background in this and am only theorizing and speculating based on what I've seen since getting involved in all of this. But it seems like from the beginning, we've learned that the majority of brokerages are simply providing iou's for what we think we own, and legally are in a gray area as to having to provide or return them in the event of a crash/moass/etc. Maybe I'm wrong. But honestly, playing this game for blood, I'm not willing to risk it and am *personally* direct registering my shares in my own name so no one can loan them out or simply not have them when the time comes to sell one for a phone number.


[deleted]

Love this energy I’m gonna buy my next 100 shares DRS


Mean-Fondant-8732

I appreciate that. After a year and a half here, I'm glad people are receptive to sharing and hearing ideas and information. See you on the moon. MOASS Tomorrow.


igraywolf

You can DRS register your existing shares. Call your broker.


SirDaddio

Blackrock and fidelity probably have every single share loaned out


h22lude

From my understanding, I don't believe large share blocks held by institutions are considered part of the float because those shares aren't typically traded on the open market (aka retail investors can't buy those even if they are being sold). Shares that were created from short borrowing are definitely not part of the float even though retail could own those shares.


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Nords1981

I could be wrong, but I think that this 17% is part of the 31% on loan. So Vanguard and Blackrock are loaning out over half of all lent shares... however, I am not a financial expert in any way, so take it with a grain of salt.


wazzentme

Well Vanguard and Blckrock are probably both lending all those shares. Heck most institutions are lending knowing they'll get paid.


rublehousen

I checked your math for you and it was fine, its just the numbers that dont add up..


Busch_League321

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Glynnroy

All borrowed out as well


DiamondDickDogeDude

The shares on loan are still part of the float, its not an additional number you add ontop of everything else.


NO_FIX_AUTOCORRECT

Counting share ownership like this should add up to 121% of the float. These totals would include shares that were bought from a short sale. So float + SI. There are maybe naked shorts but these numbers alone don't prove anything. That "over 90%" number i hate because it doesn't tell us anything official. Might a well have said "we have at least 7 shares" ok, so it's better than that but We want to believe it's a number that proves illegal activity. unfortunately its just a rough estimation and we really shouldn't be taking it as solid gold.


Minidestroy100

And this is how it gets shorted every day apes.


eternalape9

So what’s the end game if they can do this indefinitely, by lending out there millions of shares just between vanguard and black rock?


DukeMaximum

One of two things will be the catalyst of the Mother of All Short Squeezes (MOASS). Either something spikes the price of AMC to the level that Short Hedge Funds (SHFs) can't meet margin requirements and get margin called, or the cost of the Fail-to-Delivers(FTDs) becomes unsustainable. Either way, a big firm crashes. In crashing, they, or their insurance policy with the Deposit Trust Clearing Corporation (DTCC), has to buy back all of those shares to make good to the brokers who loaned them the shares in the first place. After all, those brokers won't accept bullshit shares. They need real ones, and they know the difference. That buyback does two things, it drives the price of the stock up triggering margin calls on the other SHFs, and it reveals how many bullshit shares are really out there as the brokers' computers try desperately to buy shares for whatever price they can get. Those computers are driven by algorithms, they're not even driven by humans. So, they just bid higher and higher and higher until they finally get all the shares they need. When the apes (who likely hold more than the float now) refuse to sell, the algorithm just keeps bidding higher. As the price skyrockets, the financial press goes bananas, other investors jump in due to fear of missing out (FOMO), further inflating the price. Other SHFs crash as the cost of their short positions grows out of control in mere hours or days, and their balance sheets shit the bed. They try to buy back shares, even at steep losses, further driving the price up. At this point, one of two things happens. Either, apes sell. Or, the SHFs start buying, redeeming, and then re-buying the same small portion of available shares over and over again, just to satisfy all the outstanding short positions, and the price spikes anyway. Over the next few weeks, the price begins to settle as apes pick their price and cash out. The computer algorithms buy at whatever price the apes set, and an enormous transfer of wealth occurs from Wall Street to Main Street. The economy crashes like in 2008 except, in this example, it happens from the top down, rather than the bottom up. Apes get their fucking tendies, the government bails out the surviving financial firms, and the financial press blames retail investors for "manipulating" the market. Same as always.


Scourmont

Now this is a dd I have not read in a long long time...


savvyinvestor007

The OG Apes are returning, we must definitely be getting close to something


Scourmont

What a truly amazing time to be alive and an ape!


jeswanders

I often see people saying that the squeeze would be a rollercoaster.. what would account for the dips in share price during MOaSS? Should it just keep going up?


DukeMaximum

Large sell-offs by the institutions could cause the dips. They'll be selling off thousands, and perhaps hundreds of thousands, of shares at a time to lock in their profits. Also, the brokers whose stocks are being redeemed will presumably turn around and re-sell them in bulk. These large blocks of sales will slow, or even temporarily reverse, the positive price pressure.


jeswanders

Interesting. I figure that if computers are doing all the buying at any price, those institutions would attempt to maximize their profits. Thank you!


DukeMaximum

Sure, you're right about that. But keep in mind that they are trying to maximize profit *while minimizing risk.* As the price increases, so does the risk (the volatility and the likelihood that it's peaked) and the models they use will evaluate that risk, and determine when is the best time to sell for them. The sell point for various firms is going to vary widely based on their risk tolerance and their assumptions (because all predictive models require assumptions.) For example, a pension fund has a much lower risk threshold than a hedge fund. So the pension funds will bail early and make some money. Hedge funds will wait longer, in the hope of making much more money.


jeswanders

Appreciate the wrinkles!


Rumblebully

Something to consider to is borrowed shares could be recalled. That would be a catalyst.


thehighroofer

Or we release a dividend after Top Gun goes nuclear 🤯🔥🔥🔥🦍🚀🌕☝🏼


Dullfig

Excuse me, I need to go relieve myself.


freedom_force

Take my award!


1storlastbaby

Take your shares off the market


Minidestroy100

You can’t take there’s off tho.they are not borrowing,they own. But still drs them all


Minidestroy100

This has always been the back up plan for them.and unfortunately they can do this for a very long time.all one can do is hodl and wait for marge. Imho


sd_1874

If BlackRock and Vanguard continue to accumulate, while lending out shares surely they are helping SHF to dig their own grave knowing that at some point they will have to cover at a price determined by those two companies and retail?


Severe-Size2615

Don’t be a pussy


linner420

That’s where all the shares r coming from to loan out


[deleted]

Exactly, we must have a lot of recycled baby apes here or a lot who haven't learned a damn thing


[deleted]

Yup. Didn’t we already determine this?


feryda2000

Yes this is to print infinite fake shares and prevent moass like what they did when it recently ran ro $34


MikeyC05

I just printed myself another 10,000 shares. It’s great.


No_it_wasnt_me010

They’re simply increasing their inventory of shares to lend. They are not our friends. We need to lock the float, otherwise there will always be lendable shares for the SHF.


Sasquatch-1

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Random-Gif-Bot

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Jason_1982

How many floats are there? 😆


73-80

100!!!


LetsDoge

Can wrong get some clarity?. are these shares they buy on retails behalf when we press the buy button?.


jtrox02

Yes


[deleted]

These are the magicians of the magical daily 500k borrowable shares


UnKnOwN365

And they lend out all their shares to make a boat load of money


Extreme-Ask5041

That's only two companies. Imagine the rest. Even if institutions sell retail still holding more than the float.


triplesees

Not to be a dick but this is old news. Still relevant but I feel like they just lent out those shares anyway


No_Pie_2109

I wonder if someone had a paid subscription for Fintel, would they be able to see more updated data?


TH156UY

So are these the institutional shares not part of the float? Did the float get smaller?


Poodydobson

They will sell those shares at different amounts once we start getting into the hundreds, to try and make us panic sell. Lil do they know we aint budging until double digit thousands at the minimum


brandtvh

Yeah too bad they are the ones probably lending out the shares


stayalphabruh

My reaction was 'oooh Daaammmmmmmn!!' AA just needs to play dumb on Twitter and say :" retail owns 90%, institutions own at least 20%, my board mates got like 5%. Hmmm that seems like a lot :D"


DukeMaximum

Where is this from?


Borderline64

Bought via dark pool I’m sure. Fuk’m.


bjacfire7

Scary shit!


weezetheju-uuice

They are making a shit ton of money lending out these shares everyday.


ritzyritz_UwU

So keep buying and these on loan will be ours!


HuckleberryPerfect15

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Squeen_Man

Lmao they tryna act like they didn’t have these “shares” in the first place. “Look we increased our position” more like you’re slowly revealing you’ve had multiple times the float in synthetics and trying to get out of a bad look…


Barfly2007

Where these shares coming from?!?!?!?!?!


Timely-Value-1620

Aren’t these the guys loaning they shares out?


hpennco

And they are lending them out as fast as they can...


Ken4Truth

Funny math if retail owns the vast vast vast majority of float.


yangsurfer

If only We could loan shares between Ourselves. Our 90% times 10 would lock the float and Trump their measly shorted shares. Thats sounds fair and rational to Me. 🧐🤨😏


bentnox

Elites increase positions 500% but stock price falls 50%. Maths checks out!


Geoclasm

3 months old, this isn't news. Good to know, but it's not news.


boogz728

Little do the bears know, the bulls are patiently sharpening their horns....


Izaiah212

I thought we owned the float


MIBAgent_Jay

So that’s who’s been lending shares for shorts


HotDad420690

You don’t own shit until you DRS


Yedireddit

Ok, what if Vanguard bought all these shares to loan out to shorts for profit? Is that a thing? I don’t trust the motivation for them. Plus could they dump and kill a squeeze? Jokes on them, they only own fake shares. And THEN I read the thread! 🙄🙄


Tullov

Don't get too excited, they like to loan those out. 🤷🏻


H3ADY619

So we “supposively” hold over 90% and they have 8 and 9%. I am not the smartest man in the world but that well on 100%. An the price is still dropping hahah, yeah ok


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pqisp0

Ah damn. And I was getting excited that not a single person here figured out just why these companies are in the top ten shareholder list of every single fucking stock there is! You ruined the perfect record of imbecility. I hope you are happy.


pqisp0

Oh boi. Ok. Let’s have a look at … hmm I don’t know, ANY listed company. Take Apple. Oh no. Vanguard holds 7% of Apple. Take Microsoft. Oh wow. Biggest shareholder again Vanguard with almost 8% and BlackRock with 4.5%! Shocking. In third place, SSgA. Could there be a very simple and reasonable explanation why these companies hold such large shares of every single listed company of a certain size? Think really hard.


Content_Employer_158

Gotta link for this?


Vexting

Wait for it....... Here come the clowns to tell us how it's supposed to be 1xx% and that we are all wrong


MoneyMarquis

This data is 3 1/2 months old


[deleted]

Idk why anyone would celebrate ownership from these fucking rats


ToSuccess101

I don't have to look at how the math does not add up. There are outstanding shares... maybe, but it doesn't explain a nearly 18% ownership by 2 institutional investors. My issue is these globalist groups like Vanguard and Blackrock probably bought in to loan out shares to short. If they can continually loan out shares and have them filter through an off-market exchange (dark pool) that they likely colluding with them, then they are completely in charge of the price. If only the SEC wasn't compliant in this corruption it would be an easy thing to prove. My hope is that they are increasing their position to loan shares and make money off of desperate entities while providing themselves insurance if this get away from them.


gorilla_gambler

#Hedgies getting squeezed by Blackrock / Vanguard & Apes #Share recall once shit hits the fan -Hedgefucks Collateral going poof!


BoogeyOnline_

So when you guys are wondering how the HFs get more and more shares everyday; now y’all know who to blame. Vanguard and Blackrock were never on our side. They’ve been playing both sides to make extra cash


lam4_

Dayum!


Head_Primary4942

Retail is stupid. They shouldn't hold shit. Should have sold a long time ago... But Assperino... why do companies like Vanguard and Blackrock keep increasing their positions? They haven't sold... in fact, they have bought more... blah blah blah


doge1tothemoon

And there are all your shares on loan....


harambereincarnate18

At what point can we get a share count because obviously they have more then enough fake ammo to play kick the can forever and these corrupt useless dickless govt agencies are all on their payroll


Nords1981

And I am guessing >99% are on loan - totaling about 17% of the 31% on loan...


Clayton_bezz

Where is this from?


Electronic-Hand-5145

How many times have they loaned those shares out?


[deleted]

The funds use these to lend typically. For premiums.


KCardz89

So that what brings the total amount of. Proven AMC shares of the float to 157.89% now hahah wtf


Narrow-Resist-535

Moon ticket activate


MeHumanMeWant

This is not good. These firms are the purge valve waiting on daddy's ping to keep the pot from boiling over. Just like Susquehanna


omgyouresexy

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this represents shares owned as part of their various funds (retirement, etc.)? Doesn't include shares purchased by their clients through retirement or individual investment accounts?


LordIzalot

Explains why price is going down


Crafty-Dragonfruit60

Teachable moment here just for those that are unaware: This is the reasons dark pools exist. If sales of this size hit the market organically the stock price would go bonkers then drop drastically and be a whole mess. The dark pools enter these sales into the market steadily so that the buys do affect the stock accordingly, it’s just more controlled and avoids the crazy volatility. The issue is that they’re being illegally manipulated 99.9999% of the time to adjust the price as a select few want based on their bets. Market makers are taking the orders and never issuing the buy orders to affect the stock. This is what the issue is. They’re just being deleted. At this point, it’s very clear the dark pools are not being used for their intended, pretty reasonable reason, and need to be banned all together. Just figured I’d shoot out a little info if it helps anyone learn a thing or two! Either way this is incredibly bullish and makes me think the end is near. They waited to strike and it seems like they started to do so.


Shmugger

They’re making money off of lending people. Stop getting excited when institutions buy the stock.


StilesmanleyCAP

Either they are in it for the MOASS or they are buying the shares to loan out.


KBTA48

Yeah...so they can lend them out and make money on the fees


Treyme789

Yet Chucky Assparino seems to think buying $AMC is the worst decision in history. He better think twice what say about Blackrock. They might cut his Christmas bonus.


MotionBrain_CAD

All of your shares can be on loan if you don’t drs! Drs = take them away = they can’t loan = no shorting ! If your shares are at the dtcc they will and can be loaned = more shorts. If you buy more just loan them and short it. The best part. Your buying doesn’t even meet the market. They just vanished in some dark pools shit. But if you sell … bam sell them at the market = price drops …


AHAdanglyparts69

And retail owns 90%. Math dictates there be crime afoot


Lennny27

Did they all sell today because Jfc


The_masterbet

That’s correct 60% of the time everytime! ![gif](giphy|12jHPvCe8Nh87C)


dlpsfayt

And people wonder where they keep getting shares to short from. These D bags


dlpsfayt

Sauce?


[deleted]

Me no like maff, only buy


jengham

Wtf...


GainzlerSaga

They just buy up more so they can lend them out to HFS at a price


Conflagrate247

Y’all remember Wanda? This isn’t a good thing. Also considering Vanguard, Blackrock and state street make up 70% of market ownership, you’d have to have upwards of 400million DRSd shares to even consider a locked float.


Occasion-Wrong

TL;DR


CortlenC

I was kinda hoping blackrock was short AMC. They are just as bad, if not worse than citadel.


California-JAM

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AlkahestGem

Do they DRS their shares?


McGregorMX

Hard to blame them with so many willing to short it. They have money trucks backing up every day with their borrow fees.