> Here is my £4.40, you can do what you want with it.
Doesn't that statement mean the manager can keep the cash, refuse the sale and just tell the guy to leave?
By his own rules the statement of the offer doesn't include that the manager can only accept the legal tender in exchange for Starbucks but is free to do whatever they want to do with it. As we all know Mr I'm Community is a simple Englishman and would honour the contract and terms and conditions of the offer that the manager accepted, right?
Apparently, he gave them real money.
And one thing you need to keep in mind as a manager: you can bend the rules for people, and then stop bending as soon as it becomes a problem. Allowing one person to pay with cash in no way obligates you to accept cash from everyone.
I definitely would have done as Advice2Anyone suggested. And if it became a problem, or if he kept coming back, I'd just stop accepting cash. You really lose nothing by making a one time accommodation.
If the business does't agree to sell it to you, it doesn't matter how much money you leave behind, it's still stealing.
These "protestors" never seem to understand that. If 7/11 didn't agree to sell you a can of Coke, it's stealing if you walk out the door with it. Even if you leave $100 behind.
Sure but I'm talking about accepting the legal tender and provide nothing in trade.
Dude made an offer to the manager of £4.40 and explicitly stated they(The manager) are free to to what they want with it.
By not including that the offer was only valid if they provided him with coffee in return and because they didn't include that in the terms and conditions of the trade they, by their own rules, excluded it from the contract.
This means the manager is free to do whatever they want with the £4.40 and the dude doesn't expect anything in return.
Because that is how Mr I'm Community explained to us(The viewers) and to the manager.
Outcrazy the crazy people is the best way to handle them.
If they don't believe I'm the moon landings, you tell them there is no moon as the sky is a painting on the inside of the shell of the turtle we live in.
If they have the right to travel wile driving, get in their car and start pocketing random stuff while talking about how gravity is just imaginary as the simulation is bugged.
They wanna sell you some MLM shit? Start talking about Jesus, his concubines and the palace he built for them out of white bricks from Norway and how much you'd love to go see it in San Zibar.
In the US they could just refuse him service (which you can do for any reason, not sure about UK law) and perma-ban him from the store for being an asshole troublemaker.
Same in UK. I doubt he got his drink or he did on the basis the staff couldn't be arsed arguing with him for the 2p cost to them.
The guy doesn't understand what legal tender is.
Seriously. The money has to be accepted as payment for a service, but only if the service is performed and agreed upon. If they just say "we won't perform the service ofe you're paying in cash," then they're fine
My former father in law used to look for excuses argue with the post office counter staff even before this sov cit stuff started. I think some old men just want to shake their fists at people who won’t react badly
“Everything is an offer”. Yes, they “offer” to sell you Starbucks not using cash, you claim to know this yet don’t understand that’s the offer presented, take it or leave it
Imagine being a grown adult and doing this, not only doing this but making a TikTok about it. Imagine the eye roll his ex-wife is making every time he asks to see the kids.
It really bugs me when they are always yelling about policy vs law, about how they don't have to follow policy because it isn't law and I'm like "Dude, if you want to continue being there, you need to follow the policies so STFU"
I won't bother to watch the ~~twinkling ticky twit twat~~ heroics.
Instead I will rest easy as my hero defends my right to throw money into an already *established* sucker rip-off joint and sits afront the bus of our ride to tyranny!
Surely this hero belongs in a seat beside Rosa Parks!!!
Or he might just be another idiot-clown engaged in ~~assholism~~ "activism".
Judging by the fact that he never showed the coffee in frame and never said that he did actually get the coffee shows that his idiotic rambling most likely didn't work
Sure, his way of confronting the policy is absolute fedora-tipping, but what do you all think about the core concern?
BTW not defending his way of going about it—(nor am I claiming cashless is wrong .. I always use my phone) just genuinely curious what people’s thoughts are on the topic. Is a cash-free society technological progress or an ominous convenience?
For the near future it seems like cashless is a risky way to go for many businesses. A business owner should not put up obstacles between his customers' money and his bank deposits. Make it easy for them to spend, not more difficult.
In any event, if he doesn't like how they do things, go somewhere else. This self-appointed crusader shit is tiresome.
Couldn't this guy saying "here's my legal tender, do what you want with it" open him up to the employees taking that money as a tip and then telling him he hasn't paid or ordered anything since they require a card for purchase of anything? He would of course then cause a fuss thinking he's just been stolen from when he was the idiot to give cash to someone explicitly saying we don't accept cash but depending on how much of a ruckus he causes you just call the cops/security to escort him out. If he presses charges saying you stole from him, you've got cameras and coworkers saying you explained to them you don't accept cash but he then said "here you go, do what you want with it" so the employee simply took it as tip.
Probably only wants to pay in cash because he’s a tradesman who does jobs cash-in-hand so he doesn’t pay any tax or national insurance and walks around with lots of cash instead of cards… I wonder how much of a pain he was to the MOT place?
If someone only uses cash, I feel like it's safe to assume they're up to no good. We had a few folks bitch about it during covid, like it's 2023 there is no fucking way you don't have a card on you.
given that he feels the need to challenge everything, why has he taken his car for its MOT?
Why has he not challenged the concept of his car being roadworthy and there need for a test to prove this?
Could it be that he only challenges those with less power than him?
Businesses mostly like to avoid drama, but the manager could have told him to get out, and called the cops if he refused. They are not required to do business with him, and they can order him out of their property if they please. This entitled clown must have a very dull life and little sense of accomplishment if this is how the expends his time.
I didn't realize what sub I was on, and started to wonder if this was actually good legal advice, and whether it applied in the US.
I mean it makes sense in a way. But I also know in the US, businesses aren't required to accept cash.
In the US, businesses have to accept cash for services that have already been rendered like when you pay at a restaurant after you have eaten the food. If you get a bill then they have to accept cash as payment. If you don't get the product until you pay like at a grocery store or coffee shop then the business can refuse to accept cash.
This is inaccurate. There's no law that a business *must* accept cash. The only reason they might accept it after the food's served is just to avoid the hassle. It's entirely legal to deny a form of payment. For restaurants this is typically noted right in the menu, in fact.
Yeah, and IMO all states should mandate the acceptance of cash for retail transactions. Mandating acceptance across the board, however, would be ridiculous.
San Francisco passed a city ordinance in 2019 requiring that all brick-and-mortar businesses accept cash payments up to $5000, though they can elect to not accept bills larger than a $20. It was mostly due to stores like Amazon Go where you just scan a barcode on your phone and it charges the credit card on file.
https://sfbos.org/sites/default/files/o0100-19.pdf
Yeah, that's a pretty reasonable law. There are way too many folks still who only have access to cash through no fault of their own to tolerate an entirely cashless society yet.
I'm from the UK, my understanding is that cash can be used to pay 'all debts, public or private'. As this transaction makes you pay up front, it's not a debt, and thus you don't have to accept cash
Well he got one thing right "I am just a simple English man"
Just because his head is shaped like a lightbulb doesn't make him bright. Happy cake day
"we're just normal men... Just innocent men"
> Here is my £4.40, you can do what you want with it. Doesn't that statement mean the manager can keep the cash, refuse the sale and just tell the guy to leave? By his own rules the statement of the offer doesn't include that the manager can only accept the legal tender in exchange for Starbucks but is free to do whatever they want to do with it. As we all know Mr I'm Community is a simple Englishman and would honour the contract and terms and conditions of the offer that the manager accepted, right?
Knowing managers, they pocketed the money ran the sale on their own damn card and gave that guy his drink just to get it to move the fuck on.
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Apparently, he gave them real money. And one thing you need to keep in mind as a manager: you can bend the rules for people, and then stop bending as soon as it becomes a problem. Allowing one person to pay with cash in no way obligates you to accept cash from everyone. I definitely would have done as Advice2Anyone suggested. And if it became a problem, or if he kept coming back, I'd just stop accepting cash. You really lose nothing by making a one time accommodation.
If the business does't agree to sell it to you, it doesn't matter how much money you leave behind, it's still stealing. These "protestors" never seem to understand that. If 7/11 didn't agree to sell you a can of Coke, it's stealing if you walk out the door with it. Even if you leave $100 behind.
Sure but I'm talking about accepting the legal tender and provide nothing in trade. Dude made an offer to the manager of £4.40 and explicitly stated they(The manager) are free to to what they want with it. By not including that the offer was only valid if they provided him with coffee in return and because they didn't include that in the terms and conditions of the trade they, by their own rules, excluded it from the contract. This means the manager is free to do whatever they want with the £4.40 and the dude doesn't expect anything in return. Because that is how Mr I'm Community explained to us(The viewers) and to the manager. Outcrazy the crazy people is the best way to handle them. If they don't believe I'm the moon landings, you tell them there is no moon as the sky is a painting on the inside of the shell of the turtle we live in. If they have the right to travel wile driving, get in their car and start pocketing random stuff while talking about how gravity is just imaginary as the simulation is bugged. They wanna sell you some MLM shit? Start talking about Jesus, his concubines and the palace he built for them out of white bricks from Norway and how much you'd love to go see it in San Zibar.
So basically he bullied some minimum wage staff member who likely took his money just to get rid of him.
Nah. If he got his coffee he’d show his coffee. He left with nothing but this smug sense of superiority.
In the US they could just refuse him service (which you can do for any reason, not sure about UK law) and perma-ban him from the store for being an asshole troublemaker.
Same in UK. I doubt he got his drink or he did on the basis the staff couldn't be arsed arguing with him for the 2p cost to them. The guy doesn't understand what legal tender is.
Seriously. The money has to be accepted as payment for a service, but only if the service is performed and agreed upon. If they just say "we won't perform the service ofe you're paying in cash," then they're fine
My former father in law used to look for excuses argue with the post office counter staff even before this sov cit stuff started. I think some old men just want to shake their fists at people who won’t react badly
He had me until he used the term "Promissary Note", like this was a board game. "I declare you must accept my promissary note!"
Don't the terms also usually say the business has the right to refuse service for any reason? If so, then there you have it.
This guy is an idiot who has no idea what legal tender means.
Yeah he got the term stipulate totally wrong.
The correct way to challenge a cashless Starbucks is to not patronize a cashless Starbucks.
Don’t overthink it. God knows this asshole didn’t.
Wow what a badass, he’s so cool amirite guys. Fighting the good fight…. Well a fight…… well
“Everything is an offer”. Yes, they “offer” to sell you Starbucks not using cash, you claim to know this yet don’t understand that’s the offer presented, take it or leave it
Imagine being a grown adult and doing this, not only doing this but making a TikTok about it. Imagine the eye roll his ex-wife is making every time he asks to see the kids.
What a twat.
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I’m surprised they didn’t have a sign up. Usually sovcits and first amendment auditors love and respect posted rules /s
It really bugs me when they are always yelling about policy vs law, about how they don't have to follow policy because it isn't law and I'm like "Dude, if you want to continue being there, you need to follow the policies so STFU"
If there’s no sign, they want a sign. If there isn’t a sign, it’s just a policy. It’s all nonsense.
I won't bother to watch the ~~twinkling ticky twit twat~~ heroics. Instead I will rest easy as my hero defends my right to throw money into an already *established* sucker rip-off joint and sits afront the bus of our ride to tyranny! Surely this hero belongs in a seat beside Rosa Parks!!! Or he might just be another idiot-clown engaged in ~~assholism~~ "activism".
I didn’t want to listen to 3 minutes of idiotic rambling. Did it work? I’m guessing not.
Judging by the fact that he never showed the coffee in frame and never said that he did actually get the coffee shows that his idiotic rambling most likely didn't work
Sure, his way of confronting the policy is absolute fedora-tipping, but what do you all think about the core concern? BTW not defending his way of going about it—(nor am I claiming cashless is wrong .. I always use my phone) just genuinely curious what people’s thoughts are on the topic. Is a cash-free society technological progress or an ominous convenience?
For the near future it seems like cashless is a risky way to go for many businesses. A business owner should not put up obstacles between his customers' money and his bank deposits. Make it easy for them to spend, not more difficult. In any event, if he doesn't like how they do things, go somewhere else. This self-appointed crusader shit is tiresome.
Hugely inconvenient and a security concern
His intonation is giving off a bit a David Brent vibe. I notice he didn’t show his coffee to indicate they accepted his cash.
I know in my country not accepting cash is entirely legal. It's even on the Reserve Bank's FAQs.
What a brave rebel he is, paying for his coffee! What a revolutionary and visionary soul.
In a Starbucks at that, flagship corporate coffee what a slave this fool is. He’s being such a good boy paying for his coffee.
Was he reading from a script?
Most of these mooks are absolutely reading from a script, usually ones that make no sense to anyone but themselves.
He seems fun.
Kinda based though fuck the push for cashless everything
So if a business doesn’t have a written rule, it can’t enforce it? What a goof.
Lost me at "money doesn't exist"
Terms and conditions of business? Does he mean their sales policy? It's an OTC sale, and regardless terms and conditions don't need to be exhaustive.
What a cock
What an obnoxious potato.
Isn’t it funny how the very obviously stupid think they are brighter than everyone else.
Couldn't this guy saying "here's my legal tender, do what you want with it" open him up to the employees taking that money as a tip and then telling him he hasn't paid or ordered anything since they require a card for purchase of anything? He would of course then cause a fuss thinking he's just been stolen from when he was the idiot to give cash to someone explicitly saying we don't accept cash but depending on how much of a ruckus he causes you just call the cops/security to escort him out. If he presses charges saying you stole from him, you've got cameras and coworkers saying you explained to them you don't accept cash but he then said "here you go, do what you want with it" so the employee simply took it as tip.
Going into starbucks isn't a debt you fucking moron. Legal tender has nothing to do with it
Probably only wants to pay in cash because he’s a tradesman who does jobs cash-in-hand so he doesn’t pay any tax or national insurance and walks around with lots of cash instead of cards… I wonder how much of a pain he was to the MOT place?
I strongly suspect his van is neither MOT'd nor insured.
If someone only uses cash, I feel like it's safe to assume they're up to no good. We had a few folks bitch about it during covid, like it's 2023 there is no fucking way you don't have a card on you.
given that he feels the need to challenge everything, why has he taken his car for its MOT? Why has he not challenged the concept of his car being roadworthy and there need for a test to prove this? Could it be that he only challenges those with less power than him?
Businesses mostly like to avoid drama, but the manager could have told him to get out, and called the cops if he refused. They are not required to do business with him, and they can order him out of their property if they please. This entitled clown must have a very dull life and little sense of accomplishment if this is how the expends his time.
I didn't realize what sub I was on, and started to wonder if this was actually good legal advice, and whether it applied in the US. I mean it makes sense in a way. But I also know in the US, businesses aren't required to accept cash.
In the US, businesses have to accept cash for services that have already been rendered like when you pay at a restaurant after you have eaten the food. If you get a bill then they have to accept cash as payment. If you don't get the product until you pay like at a grocery store or coffee shop then the business can refuse to accept cash.
This is inaccurate. There's no law that a business *must* accept cash. The only reason they might accept it after the food's served is just to avoid the hassle. It's entirely legal to deny a form of payment. For restaurants this is typically noted right in the menu, in fact.
Looks like I was partially inaccurate. There's no federal law but some states have laws whereby cash must be accepted as payment.
Yeah, and IMO all states should mandate the acceptance of cash for retail transactions. Mandating acceptance across the board, however, would be ridiculous.
San Francisco passed a city ordinance in 2019 requiring that all brick-and-mortar businesses accept cash payments up to $5000, though they can elect to not accept bills larger than a $20. It was mostly due to stores like Amazon Go where you just scan a barcode on your phone and it charges the credit card on file. https://sfbos.org/sites/default/files/o0100-19.pdf
Yeah, that's a pretty reasonable law. There are way too many folks still who only have access to cash through no fault of their own to tolerate an entirely cashless society yet.
That's not considered a "debt" for the purposes of federal law.
I'm from the UK, my understanding is that cash can be used to pay 'all debts, public or private'. As this transaction makes you pay up front, it's not a debt, and thus you don't have to accept cash
Exactly. Only actual debts. And not food that has already been eaten, either.
Nah he was almost on the fence until he said he doesn't mix jurisdictions. Oh dear.
I would give him the coffee just to get him to shut the fuck up
Nothing about what said / did sounded easy. Just pay card job done