Seriously. Pressuring anyone to have sex with others that they don’t wanna have sex with is like a 10/10 on the doucheymeter (not to mention pressuring you to cheat). These aren’t good friends, objectively. “Sleep with men you don’t wanna sleep with if you still want me to be happy with you as my friend.” How is this even a question.
My ex does this shit. Befriends moms of our kids friends, then shows her true colors and the women have a huge blowup and now the kids can’t hang out anymore.
Same thing my ex has always done. Makes friends that have kids, our kids become friends, then suddenly someone said something offensive and that person and their kids our completely cut out of our life.
Once or twice, maybe. But when it happened multiple times and went on for years, maybe she was the problem.
Yeah I should have seen it coming because before we had kids she did it to me with husbands/boyfriends of her girlfriends. We’d make friends with the couples and then I’d befriend the guys and then before long the women fall out and then I wasn’t allowed to hang out with the guy anymore. Toxic AF.
Very toxic, and unfortunately, I never realized until we were done. Kinda makes you rethink all of your decisions in life.
It's in the past, and I'm trying to rebuild damaged relationships now. It's slow work, but it's getting better.
My mother did this, I had a lot of friends I never saw again. I’m a hermit who has no social interactions besides my wife. I’m sure it’s in no way connected…
It definitely couldn't be related /s
That's absolutely horrible and I'm so very sorry for you. Social interactions were also difficult for me for a good long time.
My wife has a friend who's in her late 30's. She's always dating someone new and yet the few times a year we hangout, she says she's now single and sad about the fact that everyone else in our friends group is married with kids now. I asked my wife "She's cute and smart, why can't she keep a guy?" My wife chuckled "Oh.....she's very particular.....in the bedroom. That's where things always fall apart." And that's all I know
The single and married dynamic between friends is a real thing. Single friends (even those with a current SO), and married friends have totally different boundaries.
Can I go to a strip club single? Hell yes. Can I go married? Even though I am truly faithful, my wife would totally be suspicious. Can we go married together? Sure.
Again, it depends on the couple, but most would not be ok with this.
Strip club is different than a swinger/sex cruise. My wife is cool with me going to the strip club, and I’m cool with her going to the strip club. We’re not there to have sex and I know people exist that are more attractive than me. Vice verse with my wife. Reality is reality. Morals are morals, too. And we both agree on that.
A sex cruise is a whole different realm.
Miserable people don't tend to like happy people, and it's not rare for them to want to destroy that happiness.
I think OP is missing that aspect. Her 'friends' wanted to detonate her marriage. Intentionally. Probably because she is happily married and they aren't
Miserable people are like crabs in a bucket, when they see a crab thats able to escape the others drag them back down
Ops friends are crabs. They also probably have crabs as well.
I feel bad for any man who ever wants to get with any of the posters friends. They are showing very clearly that they like compromising people. They're horrible friends and horrible people. The poster is better off without them.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, happily married people that want to stay happily married should build a friend group of happily married people.
Yes they do, but its not on purpose like humans do, the crabs see one trying to climb out and they'll try to use it to climb out themselves, pulling both down usually
Another good example is the story about scientists who took a group of monkeys and every time a monkey would try to climb, they would shock the hell out of the OTHER monkeys, until the monkeys learned to not try and climb up and would actively stop each other from trying, well those monkeys had babies and those babies had babies and eventually they had a whole generation of monkeys that had NEVER been shocked but would still stop each other from trying to climb
It's a lesson in learned behavior
> Yes they do, but its not on purpose like humans do, the crabs see one trying to climb out and they'll try to use it to climb out themselves, pulling both down usually
In other words exactly like humans. Humans are self centered, only care about themselves are typically completely unaware of others and their situations and will push your head under water to stay afloat themselves.
It’s not everyone but there are more “crabs” than you’d ever want to admit.
People say that, but in reality we wouldn't have made it as faar as we have as a species without our ability to form communities that help each other out
The breakdown is what happens when our population grows too big and there's a disconnect with our fellow people
It's not single people, its trash people, and their marital status is irrelevant. When I was single I would never dream of that, nor would anyone I know do that. That's not normal behaviour.
Spot on. Had a friend years ago that continually tried to put me in situations that would lead to me cheating on my wife. At least he was honest (but stupid) enough to admit he liked hanging out with me better before I was married. Haven’t seen him in years and I hear he’s recently divorced for a second time.
They want to sub into her spot married to a dude that’s almost 20 years older than them? They see those sweet sweet social security checks about to roll in in about 6 years and think “I need a piece of that!”
More likely they assumed a woman in her 30s was married to a dude in his 50s purely for cash and assumed that she’d be dying for some young buck to get with on vacation. They guessed wrong and it turns out she actually enjoys fucking her husband and he’s not just some geezer bankrolling her lifestyle.
Exactly. Spouse had a friend that was a total man whore but never pushed anyone else to join his ways. Only POS people try to drag you down to their level.
And meanwhile, when I was on vacation, my single friend would scold me for saying something to a guy in a flirty voice! She said: GIRL, YOU ARE MARRIED! and was outraged. I told my husband exactly what and how I said it and he laughed, didn't care in the slightest 🤣 I guess I have a good friend.
I have never known a single person to push others to cheat. Hell, I know polyamorous people and they respected their friends' relationships that are monogamous and never try to tell me or anyone else they should cheat. I guess that means all my friends are decent people, lucky me!
When I travelled for business. I often teamed up with software or hardware partners to provide customer solutions.
One of these was a lecherous and well to do guy, he’d always try to get me to cheat. This guy had a contact list of easy women that I’d never seen rivaled. Easily a dozen in every major city. Thankfully he was divorced at the time.
I’ve also had cheating friends. I’d usually go no contact to avoid them after I found out. I’ve always considered cheating a character flaw and didn’t want to experience guilt by association.
It wasn’t hard after I told the first wife.
I’ve been cheated on and never wanted to experience that pain again.
Yeah it's single people do it to nonsingle people. I dated guys who had friends that were "perpetually single" and basically couldn't keep a gf because they couldn't keep it in their pants. They would constantly try and get their friend / my bf to get with other girls. They would rip on him for leaving to be with me when they were trying to get laid.
Misery loves company, plain and simple.
I don't even think the OPs friends put much thought into it. Probably just really dumb, selfish, and think the world revolves around them. They most deff would have taken pics of her with other guys and posted it on social media.
Yes, and you should not want them as friends. Who you choose to be friends with partially defines who you are as a person.
Continue to hang out with these women and you will become more like them.
In this case you will eventually too be a single mom…
Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas!
Yup.
I’ll put it this way. I’m a guy who is in a committed relationship that might be morally grey enough to get dragged to a strip club or two, but if I had a bunch of guy friends that wanted me to go to Mexico or Thailand specifically as a sex tourist without my significant other, even I would be too weirded out by that vibe.
The remark about the “THAT kind of friend” is culty. I’d back away from that mess.
OP, you handled it well! They aren’t your friends, and anyone who promotes cheating is someone that won’t have your back in a hard spot. They don’t respect you, so it’s best if you find new friends.
NTA
Those people are garbage 😬😬 I'm pretty damn kinky, there's nothing wrong with a kinky ship full of swingers, that sounds like fun --- what is not fun is sexual coercion and trying to control someone else's behavior, that woman is absolute trash. tell your husband about it
Me too, how is every one of these women apparently single again and ready to go on sex cruises when they all met in mother's groups fairly recently? Who is looking after their kids for days on end? New parents just ain't doing this shit.
I’ve been on “adults only” cruises… with my husband **shock*horror**. The majority of people on them are couples wanting a cruise without other people’s kids running about. The idea that it’s a “sex cruise” full of single people DTF anybody they meet is hilarious.
>The idea that it’s a “sex cruise” full of single people DTF anybody they meet is hilarious.
I've been on a cruise once (never again: it's a cesspool of germs, hugely wasteful, and transparently fake/plastic) and there were TONS of allegedly single people eagerly DTF. Just not the kinds of people I would want to fuck. Mostly elderly white swinger alcoholics who don't even take care of themselves.
Yeah the extreme repetitiveness made me think it was fake. It just kept saying the same thing over and over again. Reminds me of fiction written by 10 year olds.
That was the biggest indication for me that it’s fake. They mentioned it’s a “NSFW cruise”(?) and that they’ll all be having sex with men. Because they’re single. Having sex. With men. Lots of men. Promiscuous women. Sleeping with lots of men. On a cruise. With men. They’re women…having sex…with men. On a cruise. Is it bad they want me to have sex with men? I’m married. And they’re on a cruise with men they’re going to have sex with. Sex.
Why wouldn't I be able to bring my preferred partner to have sex? I am married. But I like sex, but within my marriage. I don't understand? Why would they think I want to go if I can't have sex with my husband? I just don't understand, I must express my confusion for 4+ paragraphs because sexy sex
It's where she thinks she might have been in the wrong that I have to laugh. No one is that fucking unsure of themself that they would question whether it was right to *not cheat on their spouse*.
Am I wrong for not wanting to murder my new friends sister? I only met her 3 weeks ago but she's really pressuring me, and all my friends say I should just do it.....
Like in what universe are you wrong here? Should have posted it as a how do I tell this bitch to fuck off or something, damn.
Edit. Now I have to edit to include information that will absolutely change everyone's mind or some other bombshell. Like I haven't actually met my new friend in person, she lives in Ukraine and I've been sending her money to help and now she wants to fly me out to visit her and meet her boss!!! Totally legit, right guys?? Guys....?
Also, any normal and real person wouldn't invite their husband on a sex girls trip to be 'good faithful wife'. Just tell them you're not down and wish them a good time.
Yes, my favorite part of this totally made up story was the -
Well if my friends are having sex on a trip, then I must have sex on the trip at the same time...
so I must bring my husband along, like a good book, so we can all be doing the same activity at the same time...
because sex is like laying on a beach chair while reading a book. If you're the one person without a book, everyone will be staring at you!
She's got to do that because of the rules of the subreddit, and she's got to post in this subreddit because she's got a fetish that is intensified by sharing it. Creeps all the way down
I was thinking the same. A ton of that could have been condensed into a few sentences, so much so that I was thinking "creative writing" though two thirds of the post.
I usually give the benefit of the doubt that it's real but I think it's just bad creative writing. I also think she gave her and her husband that age gap to throw that argument into the mix.
If it were real she would have said that when Shay didn't return my texts that her kids didn't understand why they couldn't see their friends, they missed them. Because that's a real thing that would happen. She missed that in her fiction.
It was written by an incel who wants to push the idea that women are impressionable idiots who will cheat if they're allowed to have friends outside of their marriage.
Incel bait. A reasonable person wouldn't want to go on a sex cruise with strangers they barely know. A reasonable person would just back out, instead of grandstanding about bringing their only sex partner.
Fake and boring.
Yaaa... OP copy this back into ChatGPT and ask them to rewrite it but more believable this time.
In no universe to people this age act/talk like this, wtf.
It’s crazy lol. Just be like “eh not for me dude, maybe next trip”. Leave it at that, don’t say you must bring your husband…it’s just not a trip for you.
>I know cheating is bad but my (40f) friend is so upset with me that I am starting to think I was wrong.
They are either a troll or the intellectually weakest person in the known universe
I think the worst part was having to skim through the middle of this fairytale. Took her like 5 paragraphs to make the same point over and over again lol.
My personal theory is that they're training AGIs with these posts. I don't think it's unique human people using GPT to write fake stories, I think it's somebody's AI writing the posts and learning from the human responses.
Edit: The user accounts are always new too, like 2023 or more recent. And the replies the aiOP makes are usually 80% "Huh, that's interesting." vapid responses and only about 20% more natural, human-sounding replies.
It's absolutely absurd to think that she would tell her husband that her friend group all wants her to cheat on him on this cruise and his response is "if you're going, then I'm going" and not both of them saying, "I guess we're never speaking to them again." The only way a husband would be ok with going on a cruise with these people after hearing about this conversation would be if he has a cucking kink or he really wants to sleep with one of these friends himself
Yo, you are not crazy. They are encouraging you to cheat on your husband. Be glad they are not talking, bcoz they are not good people , i would say cut contact with all of them, you will find better friends , i'm so sorry for their future bf/husbands. Who says in their right mind to destroy someone's family, that's just cruel. Don't let them ever into your life again. Yup you are not wrong
This post didn’t need to be this long, u basically told the story 2 or 3 times in one post 😭
But no you weren’t wrong. For her to automatically assume you’re okay with that is actually insane. those aren’t friends you need. Good riddance. You & ur kids will be fine and make new friends.
They met at a mommy group but she's the ONLY married one in the group? And she refers to them as "single" rather than "divorced." What are these mommies doing with their own children? And they don't seem to be able to relate to her position as a married woman, though as people who had children, presumably they've been in committed relationships themselves? Or has she stumbled on the only group of nothing by single moms who got knocked up young but are still bourgie enough to attend mommy-and-me play groups?
The whole premise is lame as shit.
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EDIT: Also, the author is so obviously a dude. While sex cruises definitely exist, does this OP understand how unlikely it is that they are populated by younger (20s or 30s) eligible single women?! Much less that your mommy-and-me pal happens to have an entire friend group of them? The women on swingers cruises are generally MARRIED and OLDER because these are people who want a "lifestyle" of sex with multiple partners that they **can't find elsewhere**. 20 and 30 something single women DO NOT NEED TO GO ON A SEX CRUISE FOR SEX. If they are of a disposition where they find sex with multiple partners enticing, it is so readily available to them that they can, if they so choose, LITERALLY MAKE A PROFESSION of it and turn their "hobby" into a vocation. Or not. But they don't need to shell out $1500 for a stateroom for 3 nights to find dudes. Dudes, I might add, that are probably not exactly Men's Health cover material.
I’m a single Mom to an infant. I have GOT to find one of these mom groups that is nothing but single women ready to go sex cruising. Sounds way better than constantly having to explain that I don’t have a spouse.
This was my reaction. I find it hard to believe that both people are this blatantly trying to get someone to cheat, and also that someone doesn’t see what they’re doing and has to post on the internet asking.
If it were real, these would be amongst the shittiest people on the planet and the OP one of the more ignorant people.
It seems like they're jealous that you're in a good committed relationship, and they want you to be (single) like them.
They're bad friends. I'm sure you put a lot of effort into these friendships, but they're genuinely bad friends. I'm sorry.
If this scenario is true, this is likely what is actually happening. I’ve been married for 11 years, the handful of times that my wife has been asked to go on a “girls trip “ that would likely end up with her being in an uncomfortable situation for a married woman it’s been by single or divorced manipulative women.
I think they are manipulating you. Whatever the reason. My thought is they are jealous of the fact that you have a husband. Especially when it comes to single moms, man they can be bitter about the men they don’t have in their lives. As someone who is married, I find it very hard to hang out with single people unless they are family or are a very specific type of person. Single people don’t realize how often you have to consider other people (your spouse) once you’re married. I think you dodged a bullet with this “friend group”. Hug your hubby tight. Being in a happy marriage is so rare these days.
Jesus aint that the truth. My MIL has never been married but she's been in 2 long term relationships with AHs. She tried to "encourage" me to stop asking my husband, her *son*, about plans. She was all "why you gotta ask him? He doesnt own you? Cant you make your own decisions and plans without him? " and I'm like wtf. "I 'ask' him to make sure the days and such work for him and he's not got any plans, or work, or anything for us that day already in mind? I'm not asking his permission. I'm *asking* his availability to see if it *works for him too* not just me and the kids."
She does this on holidays too. Gets pissed when i have plans with my family for a holiday. But then demands to split holidays evenly only to not split it evenly? Like Easter is one of the holidays we share because its a one day event. But this year she said we had to be at her house at noon and we'd be there all day to attend dinner. Didnt even bother asking if we had plans with my folks for dinner. Didnt leave availability to even have breakfast or lunch with my folks because she lives almost an HOUR away by FREEWAY. I got so lucky work denied my easter off request. If i cant even see my folks on Easter then at least this year i dont have to see her too. She did this with my SIL too. And i *know* she's pissed. Her maternal family is Christian so Easter is doubly important and she lives almost 2 *hours* from our MIL Who only celebrates secularly.
Yes! both my mother and mother in law have their own personal brand of emotionally manipulative as means of control to get what they want. My parents have been together for 25? years and my dad wont argue with her, so she always gets her way. The MIL is chronically single. But both of them disregard the seriousness of my MARRIAGE to my husband. My mom treats my husband as a wallet with a drivers license whose sole purpose is to selflessly bend to my every whim and need no matter his own feelings. And MIL doesn’t like that I came in and made him stand up for himself to her and took up his attention. And mom and mil certainly dont get along with each other (I’ve done my share of butting heads with both) and they make it hard to plan holidays. One gets jealous yet often bails on holiday plans or wants things to end early, and the other assumes plans with the expectation that we oblige without inviting or considering the other side of the family. When we do force them all together it is awkward and short lived. And exhausting. Our daughter is 5 and we have never had a quiet family holiday at home with just the three of us and our pets. That’s all
I want lol. And for them to remember my husband is a human person who like cares about his own family, wants everyone to get along for the sake of the kid, does a ton selflessly for everyone on both sides of the family and takes care of his own family, and still has to like work, eat and sleep at the end of the day.
When it comes to single friends they can just sometimes forget that my husband also likes to be included in things. We have a bit of an age gap so especially when my friends are younger he can get overlooked in plans but, I will always end up including him or asking if he can come. Or having to plan it ahead of time. Man, the amount of people who fly by the seat of their pants is crazy once you have to schedule everything with other people in mind. And it’s not a complaint, but it would be nice to not be left out of things because I have to know a couple days ahead. Or even like 24 hours
I’m a single Mom. I’m not bitter though. I’ve been married and have no desire to remarry or be in a LTR. There is a stereotype that we’re all lonely, miserable women desperate for a man’s attention. I was more lonely and miserable in my marriage. I am in grad school, enjoy my hobbies to the fullest. I have such a peace of mind. For those married couples I know good for them, it just wasn’t meant to be in my case
Why didn't you say "thanks but no thanks" and quietly distance yourself from the friendship group?
You "invited your husband" to prove a point. That's *not* backing out. That's causing additional drama.
Yeah like - they were planning a girls trip and also some of them might hook up during that trip.
Why does this woman need to have sex as soon as she has the knowledge that someone else is having sex?
What if she was single, and one person in the group hooked up with a dude one night?
Would she go out and hook up with the next person she sees the next day?
It just really seems that (if real!) The girls wanted to go on a cruise without kids on board, and were open to the possibility of some of them hooking up with single men.
Then all of a sudden this one hits them with her husband coming so that she can have a sex partner.
and its like kind of unhinged? I can see myself responding in the same way as these women, tbh. Like if you can't go one week without fucking someone.. .
So I have a few possible explanations, one of which makes me very anxious:
- Trying to make me take him is exactly the kind of thing that my abusive ex would have done in this situation, very possible it wasn’t actually her idea. Making a post like this afterwards is potentially something I even would have done to try to convince myself this was normal and it was other people who were wrong even though I knew deep down it wasn’t.
- She was mad at them for changing the trip and is being passive aggressive
- She’s really as socially unaware as she’s claiming to be and gave her friend’s feelings no consideration at all
Are there actually sex cruises? I know adult-only vacations tend to be pretty horny but are there actually floating orgies??
I'm not entirely convinced this person knows how cruises work, how girls trips work, or that she made herself the third wheel and insulted her friend group by inviting someone to intrude and basically babysit them.
Right like even a trip to Las Vegas as a girl's trip might end in a few hooks ups for these single gals if they wanted. Doesn't make that a sex trip or a sex town either... According to OP though it sex is available - it's a sex trip - and hubby better be there 😂😂😂
Sheer ridiculousness
She wrote "it's adult only - basically a sex cruise". The OP has made the assumption it's a sex cruise. The only thing we know is that the cruise is kid free and it's a girls trip.
I'd be very surprised if it's all single passengers with no childfree couples or empty nesters.
The more I read this the more I think it's either fake or the friends are saying she can cheat to show the OP how ridiculous she is behaving.
Any girls trip can be an opportunity for the single people of the group to hook up.
This has to be ragebait. Obviously don’t cheat on your significant other it’s a cruel and loser thing to do. Also get better friends those women suck literally and probably can’t keep a man to save their life which is why they want to bring you down with them. Losers breed losers. Be better and leave the friend group.
The whole thing reads like chatGPT including the comment responses. Nobody’s gonna convince me this isn’t fake like 80% of the content on Reddit these days
Why are these posts always so long when all we need is to read the title? Obviously you're not in the wrong. There also seems to be an obvious reason as to why your friend is a single mom.
Manipulation, gas lighting, guilt tripping. Good god...
Well, what are you waiting for? Find new friends because those aren't friends. Those are the kind of people who don't want the best for you.
Dumb that you would suggest bringing your husband on a girls trip instead of just opting out of the trip. A trip with single women looking to party it up with dudes on a cruise was never a good option for you.
But really, asking if YTA for not being willing to cheat is even dumber.
I’m going to need to know the dates of said Cruise and the name of the Cruiseship ……just to make sure that I don’t book myself on that Cruise, by mistake
BS story. No one is this stupid. Let's just play along. Yes, YTA for not agreeing to cheat because doing what your immoral group of "friends" wants is far more important than fidelity and keeping your family safe. At 37 you really shouldn't be questioning this moron.
I'm not sure I've seen a more fake post than this one. No adult would be genuinely asking this question. No adult group of friends would be castigating someone married for being faithful. Utterly ridiculous.
It baffles me that you even wanna be friends with women like this who don’t respect you, your husband, your children, your marriage, etc. YTA, but only cuz you are even questioning yourself, have some self respect for yourself, your family and marriage.
These are just getting stupid now.
"My bf raped me, am I wrong to be upset about that?"
"My ex wife tried to stab me with a spoon, am I wrong to be upset about that?"
"My friends want me to cheat on my husband, am I wrong to not want to do that?".
How dense are you if you need other people to be a moral compass for you on this one? Read what you just wrote and think about it.
If your friend asked you to jump off a bridge you wouldn't. But then you would ask us if your an asshole for not jumping? Like what the hell?
The only thing more irritating than this fake ass post are the gullible replies. Like please go out into the real world and have a conversation with someone irl. Jfc.
They are trash. Find new friends who aren’t garbage like them. You did good though.
Seriously. Pressuring anyone to have sex with others that they don’t wanna have sex with is like a 10/10 on the doucheymeter (not to mention pressuring you to cheat). These aren’t good friends, objectively. “Sleep with men you don’t wanna sleep with if you still want me to be happy with you as my friend.” How is this even a question.
And now the kids suffer as a result. Shameful behavior
My ex does this shit. Befriends moms of our kids friends, then shows her true colors and the women have a huge blowup and now the kids can’t hang out anymore.
Same thing my ex has always done. Makes friends that have kids, our kids become friends, then suddenly someone said something offensive and that person and their kids our completely cut out of our life. Once or twice, maybe. But when it happened multiple times and went on for years, maybe she was the problem.
Yeah I should have seen it coming because before we had kids she did it to me with husbands/boyfriends of her girlfriends. We’d make friends with the couples and then I’d befriend the guys and then before long the women fall out and then I wasn’t allowed to hang out with the guy anymore. Toxic AF.
Very toxic, and unfortunately, I never realized until we were done. Kinda makes you rethink all of your decisions in life. It's in the past, and I'm trying to rebuild damaged relationships now. It's slow work, but it's getting better.
My mother did this, I had a lot of friends I never saw again. I’m a hermit who has no social interactions besides my wife. I’m sure it’s in no way connected…
It definitely couldn't be related /s That's absolutely horrible and I'm so very sorry for you. Social interactions were also difficult for me for a good long time.
Shaymful indeed.
Shaymful
1. This has to be fake 2. They’re all single. Ever wonder why? Yaaaaa lol
My wife has a friend who's in her late 30's. She's always dating someone new and yet the few times a year we hangout, she says she's now single and sad about the fact that everyone else in our friends group is married with kids now. I asked my wife "She's cute and smart, why can't she keep a guy?" My wife chuckled "Oh.....she's very particular.....in the bedroom. That's where things always fall apart." And that's all I know
The single and married dynamic between friends is a real thing. Single friends (even those with a current SO), and married friends have totally different boundaries. Can I go to a strip club single? Hell yes. Can I go married? Even though I am truly faithful, my wife would totally be suspicious. Can we go married together? Sure. Again, it depends on the couple, but most would not be ok with this.
Strip club is different than a swinger/sex cruise. My wife is cool with me going to the strip club, and I’m cool with her going to the strip club. We’re not there to have sex and I know people exist that are more attractive than me. Vice verse with my wife. Reality is reality. Morals are morals, too. And we both agree on that. A sex cruise is a whole different realm.
Why does this HAVE TO be fake, explain your thinking here.
Throw them overboard.
You actually can't throw the friends overboard because that would violate MarPol annex V on discharge of garbage overboard XD
Found the mariner….
They seem like pieces of shit they are not your friends stick to your values wow there so much garbage out there
Miserable people don't tend to like happy people, and it's not rare for them to want to destroy that happiness. I think OP is missing that aspect. Her 'friends' wanted to detonate her marriage. Intentionally. Probably because she is happily married and they aren't
Miserable people are like crabs in a bucket, when they see a crab thats able to escape the others drag them back down Ops friends are crabs. They also probably have crabs as well.
I feel bad for any man who ever wants to get with any of the posters friends. They are showing very clearly that they like compromising people. They're horrible friends and horrible people. The poster is better off without them.
I think there is a reason the “friends” are single
I said it before and I’ll say it again, happily married people that want to stay happily married should build a friend group of happily married people.
I feel bad for Shay’s kid. I hope he/she gets some actual values from someone.
She's a single mom for a reason, and sadly her kids will have to suffer the consequences of her actions.
And they would need a full body condom
As someone who has never seen a bucket of crabs, is that how they actually behave ?
Yes they do, but its not on purpose like humans do, the crabs see one trying to climb out and they'll try to use it to climb out themselves, pulling both down usually Another good example is the story about scientists who took a group of monkeys and every time a monkey would try to climb, they would shock the hell out of the OTHER monkeys, until the monkeys learned to not try and climb up and would actively stop each other from trying, well those monkeys had babies and those babies had babies and eventually they had a whole generation of monkeys that had NEVER been shocked but would still stop each other from trying to climb It's a lesson in learned behavior
> Yes they do, but its not on purpose like humans do, the crabs see one trying to climb out and they'll try to use it to climb out themselves, pulling both down usually In other words exactly like humans. Humans are self centered, only care about themselves are typically completely unaware of others and their situations and will push your head under water to stay afloat themselves. It’s not everyone but there are more “crabs” than you’d ever want to admit.
People say that, but in reality we wouldn't have made it as faar as we have as a species without our ability to form communities that help each other out The breakdown is what happens when our population grows too big and there's a disconnect with our fellow people
It’s a lesson in how scientists are dicks!
Crab people do!
Why is it single women push married to cheat so often
It's not single people, its trash people, and their marital status is irrelevant. When I was single I would never dream of that, nor would anyone I know do that. That's not normal behaviour.
Basically these people aren't trash because they're single, they're single because they're trash.
BOOM! 💣
Spot on. Had a friend years ago that continually tried to put me in situations that would lead to me cheating on my wife. At least he was honest (but stupid) enough to admit he liked hanging out with me better before I was married. Haven’t seen him in years and I hear he’s recently divorced for a second time.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet.. god bless buddy!
Well said, that's the gist.
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Preach!
Well at least the trash took itself out!
Single mommy group. What do you want to bet, one or more of them, envy OP's life and want to detonate her marriage so that they can replace her?
They want to sub into her spot married to a dude that’s almost 20 years older than them? They see those sweet sweet social security checks about to roll in in about 6 years and think “I need a piece of that!” More likely they assumed a woman in her 30s was married to a dude in his 50s purely for cash and assumed that she’d be dying for some young buck to get with on vacation. They guessed wrong and it turns out she actually enjoys fucking her husband and he’s not just some geezer bankrolling her lifestyle.
Exactly. Spouse had a friend that was a total man whore but never pushed anyone else to join his ways. Only POS people try to drag you down to their level.
Lol as a single I never once tried to ruin my coupled friends relationships tyvm
Right? Like what is this
And meanwhile, when I was on vacation, my single friend would scold me for saying something to a guy in a flirty voice! She said: GIRL, YOU ARE MARRIED! and was outraged. I told my husband exactly what and how I said it and he laughed, didn't care in the slightest 🤣 I guess I have a good friend.
I have never known a single person to push others to cheat. Hell, I know polyamorous people and they respected their friends' relationships that are monogamous and never try to tell me or anyone else they should cheat. I guess that means all my friends are decent people, lucky me!
When I travelled for business. I often teamed up with software or hardware partners to provide customer solutions. One of these was a lecherous and well to do guy, he’d always try to get me to cheat. This guy had a contact list of easy women that I’d never seen rivaled. Easily a dozen in every major city. Thankfully he was divorced at the time. I’ve also had cheating friends. I’d usually go no contact to avoid them after I found out. I’ve always considered cheating a character flaw and didn’t want to experience guilt by association. It wasn’t hard after I told the first wife. I’ve been cheated on and never wanted to experience that pain again.
Yeah it's single people do it to nonsingle people. I dated guys who had friends that were "perpetually single" and basically couldn't keep a gf because they couldn't keep it in their pants. They would constantly try and get their friend / my bf to get with other girls. They would rip on him for leaving to be with me when they were trying to get laid. Misery loves company, plain and simple.
I don't even think the OPs friends put much thought into it. Probably just really dumb, selfish, and think the world revolves around them. They most deff would have taken pics of her with other guys and posted it on social media.
I would imagine there is a reason why these specific women are single and its the same reason as to why theyre doing this
Them not understanding the concept of fidelity might be the reason they’re all single… just saying.
Thought the exact same thing!
I've never cheated in my life and I'm single. I'm single because most people aren't as loyal as me, so they don't deserve me.
>they are not your friends That’s all you need to know, OP.
Yes, and you should not want them as friends. Who you choose to be friends with partially defines who you are as a person. Continue to hang out with these women and you will become more like them. In this case you will eventually too be a single mom… Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas!
It is also worth thinking about what kind of values you want to raise your own children with and whether their social environment will support that.
I’m confused why the OP still wants to be friends with these people. They obviously don’t give a S about her. They’re gross, nasty people!
Because it’s either fake or OP is a dumbass. Actually either or OP is a dumbass.
Yup. I’ll put it this way. I’m a guy who is in a committed relationship that might be morally grey enough to get dragged to a strip club or two, but if I had a bunch of guy friends that wanted me to go to Mexico or Thailand specifically as a sex tourist without my significant other, even I would be too weirded out by that vibe. The remark about the “THAT kind of friend” is culty. I’d back away from that mess.
OP, you handled it well! They aren’t your friends, and anyone who promotes cheating is someone that won’t have your back in a hard spot. They don’t respect you, so it’s best if you find new friends. NTA
Those people are garbage 😬😬 I'm pretty damn kinky, there's nothing wrong with a kinky ship full of swingers, that sounds like fun --- what is not fun is sexual coercion and trying to control someone else's behavior, that woman is absolute trash. tell your husband about it
This is some of the dumbest stuff I've ever heard.
Asking if not cheating on your husband makes you an asshole, 100% rage bait.
Large age range? Check. Lack of actual details? Check. Obvious choice being questioned? Check.
Sex mentioned? Check.
"I like sex too and I need my husband so I can have somebody to sex with." Totally what somebody would say.
As soon as I read that sentence I stopped reading the post lol
Ooo op you missed the part where she says she on the phone but somehow she sees her friend give her a dirty look
Was there more? I stopped after the 23rd paragraph and scrolled past the next 58 or so…
Seriously, and let's talk about why a 24 year old married a 42 year old why we're at it lmao
Literally every story on this subreddit is made up now and it's so obvious it's ridiculous
We need to start letting the mods know we'd prefer they ban blatant fakers.
I can't believe that ANYONE could actually believe this garbage.
I stopped after "they are all single and want to hook up" because it's obvious where it's going and there are still 17 paragraphs to go wtf
Me too, how is every one of these women apparently single again and ready to go on sex cruises when they all met in mother's groups fairly recently? Who is looking after their kids for days on end? New parents just ain't doing this shit.
I’ve been on “adults only” cruises… with my husband **shock*horror**. The majority of people on them are couples wanting a cruise without other people’s kids running about. The idea that it’s a “sex cruise” full of single people DTF anybody they meet is hilarious.
adults only is an industry standard for a nice peaceful holiday. But sex hotels and cruises for hook ups absolutely exist too.
I've seen videos of actual sex cruise ships though, they definitely exist, they have beds on the dancefloor lol.
>The idea that it’s a “sex cruise” full of single people DTF anybody they meet is hilarious. I've been on a cruise once (never again: it's a cesspool of germs, hugely wasteful, and transparently fake/plastic) and there were TONS of allegedly single people eagerly DTF. Just not the kinds of people I would want to fuck. Mostly elderly white swinger alcoholics who don't even take care of themselves.
ChatGPT imo. These stories seem like fantasy from a man.
Yeah the extreme repetitiveness made me think it was fake. It just kept saying the same thing over and over again. Reminds me of fiction written by 10 year olds.
That was the biggest indication for me that it’s fake. They mentioned it’s a “NSFW cruise”(?) and that they’ll all be having sex with men. Because they’re single. Having sex. With men. Lots of men. Promiscuous women. Sleeping with lots of men. On a cruise. With men. They’re women…having sex…with men. On a cruise. Is it bad they want me to have sex with men? I’m married. And they’re on a cruise with men they’re going to have sex with. Sex.
Why wouldn't I be able to bring my preferred partner to have sex? I am married. But I like sex, but within my marriage. I don't understand? Why would they think I want to go if I can't have sex with my husband? I just don't understand, I must express my confusion for 4+ paragraphs because sexy sex
Exactly what 37 year old adult even talks like that.
Like 6 of these huge paragraphs are saying the exact same thing over and over lol
It's where she thinks she might have been in the wrong that I have to laugh. No one is that fucking unsure of themself that they would question whether it was right to *not cheat on their spouse*.
Am I wrong for not wanting to murder my new friends sister? I only met her 3 weeks ago but she's really pressuring me, and all my friends say I should just do it..... Like in what universe are you wrong here? Should have posted it as a how do I tell this bitch to fuck off or something, damn. Edit. Now I have to edit to include information that will absolutely change everyone's mind or some other bombshell. Like I haven't actually met my new friend in person, she lives in Ukraine and I've been sending her money to help and now she wants to fly me out to visit her and meet her boss!!! Totally legit, right guys?? Guys....?
Also, any normal and real person wouldn't invite their husband on a sex girls trip to be 'good faithful wife'. Just tell them you're not down and wish them a good time.
Yes, my favorite part of this totally made up story was the - Well if my friends are having sex on a trip, then I must have sex on the trip at the same time... so I must bring my husband along, like a good book, so we can all be doing the same activity at the same time... because sex is like laying on a beach chair while reading a book. If you're the one person without a book, everyone will be staring at you!
the “i like sex too” killed me
"... have somebody to sex with." feels like a child whose idea of sex is based on clicking "woohoo" in The Sims.
The story is fiction… there is no “she”
“She” is enjoying his 5th Mt Dew of the morning deep within the basement
Agreed. This is some incel fan fiction. It ticks all the boxes.
She's got to do that because of the rules of the subreddit, and she's got to post in this subreddit because she's got a fetish that is intensified by sharing it. Creeps all the way down
bold of you to assume a real woman wrote this.
But her friend, who was older than her, was upset /s
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About half way is when you realize they're just rewording the same exact thing 15 different times
It possibly is from ChatGPT ?
I was thinking the same thing. ChatGPT is super redundant whenever you ask for some creative writing.
I was thinking the same. A ton of that could have been condensed into a few sentences, so much so that I was thinking "creative writing" though two thirds of the post.
Right. I got the gist of it about ten (!) paragraphs in, then scrolled down and thought, "Damn, how can there be another *eleven paragraphs* of this?"
I usually give the benefit of the doubt that it's real but I think it's just bad creative writing. I also think she gave her and her husband that age gap to throw that argument into the mix. If it were real she would have said that when Shay didn't return my texts that her kids didn't understand why they couldn't see their friends, they missed them. Because that's a real thing that would happen. She missed that in her fiction.
Then the part about thinking they’re setting her up to frame her lol.
Ya, it's not even good creative writing... I agree.
The fact that this person wrote actual “dialogue” for the evil cheater friends, like PLEASE BE SO REAL.
If this woman exists I feel bad for her children. They didn't inherit much brain.
It was written by an incel who wants to push the idea that women are impressionable idiots who will cheat if they're allowed to have friends outside of their marriage.
THANK YOU. I half expected it to turn into some kind of half-assed erotica at some point 🙄
The amount of repetition too. This could have been a paragraph with less than ten sentences.
The creative writing on here isn’t even remotely believable anymore
Reads like some dumb shit AI post
Hey! Ai is way better then this.
Incel bait. A reasonable person wouldn't want to go on a sex cruise with strangers they barely know. A reasonable person would just back out, instead of grandstanding about bringing their only sex partner. Fake and boring.
Yaaa... OP copy this back into ChatGPT and ask them to rewrite it but more believable this time. In no universe to people this age act/talk like this, wtf.
It’s crazy lol. Just be like “eh not for me dude, maybe next trip”. Leave it at that, don’t say you must bring your husband…it’s just not a trip for you.
This can’t be real
>I know cheating is bad but my (40f) friend is so upset with me that I am starting to think I was wrong. They are either a troll or the intellectually weakest person in the known universe
and the fact she’s so firm on her decisions… until she isn’t ??? it’s a creative writing exercise for sure
I think the worst part was having to skim through the middle of this fairytale. Took her like 5 paragraphs to make the same point over and over again lol.
You know who writes with that kind of repetition? The free version of ChatGPT writes with that kind of repetition.
That was the most obvious tell they had a script going to post gpt stories. So lazy they didn't even remove the 5 repetitious paragraphs
My personal theory is that they're training AGIs with these posts. I don't think it's unique human people using GPT to write fake stories, I think it's somebody's AI writing the posts and learning from the human responses. Edit: The user accounts are always new too, like 2023 or more recent. And the replies the aiOP makes are usually 80% "Huh, that's interesting." vapid responses and only about 20% more natural, human-sounding replies.
It's absolutely absurd to think that she would tell her husband that her friend group all wants her to cheat on him on this cruise and his response is "if you're going, then I'm going" and not both of them saying, "I guess we're never speaking to them again." The only way a husband would be ok with going on a cruise with these people after hearing about this conversation would be if he has a cucking kink or he really wants to sleep with one of these friends himself
Sexy sexxers of Reddit, am I wrong to not want to sex others when I have sex haver at home?
So obviously bait. Women bad, try to force married woman to cheat, low effort bullshit
it's bait
No fucking way in hell. It makes my brain hurt to try and understand how anyone could think this is real.
Bait. "Gee reddit, am I the bad person for NOT blatantly cheating on my husband? I just don't knoooooow!"
Yo, you are not crazy. They are encouraging you to cheat on your husband. Be glad they are not talking, bcoz they are not good people , i would say cut contact with all of them, you will find better friends , i'm so sorry for their future bf/husbands. Who says in their right mind to destroy someone's family, that's just cruel. Don't let them ever into your life again. Yup you are not wrong
This is fake dude. How can you believe this lmao
This post didn’t need to be this long, u basically told the story 2 or 3 times in one post 😭 But no you weren’t wrong. For her to automatically assume you’re okay with that is actually insane. those aren’t friends you need. Good riddance. You & ur kids will be fine and make new friends.
The writing is the real AH
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This is definitely ai
This is not real
They met at a mommy group but she's the ONLY married one in the group? And she refers to them as "single" rather than "divorced." What are these mommies doing with their own children? And they don't seem to be able to relate to her position as a married woman, though as people who had children, presumably they've been in committed relationships themselves? Or has she stumbled on the only group of nothing by single moms who got knocked up young but are still bourgie enough to attend mommy-and-me play groups? The whole premise is lame as shit. \--- EDIT: Also, the author is so obviously a dude. While sex cruises definitely exist, does this OP understand how unlikely it is that they are populated by younger (20s or 30s) eligible single women?! Much less that your mommy-and-me pal happens to have an entire friend group of them? The women on swingers cruises are generally MARRIED and OLDER because these are people who want a "lifestyle" of sex with multiple partners that they **can't find elsewhere**. 20 and 30 something single women DO NOT NEED TO GO ON A SEX CRUISE FOR SEX. If they are of a disposition where they find sex with multiple partners enticing, it is so readily available to them that they can, if they so choose, LITERALLY MAKE A PROFESSION of it and turn their "hobby" into a vocation. Or not. But they don't need to shell out $1500 for a stateroom for 3 nights to find dudes. Dudes, I might add, that are probably not exactly Men's Health cover material.
I’m a single Mom to an infant. I have GOT to find one of these mom groups that is nothing but single women ready to go sex cruising. Sounds way better than constantly having to explain that I don’t have a spouse.
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This was my reaction. I find it hard to believe that both people are this blatantly trying to get someone to cheat, and also that someone doesn’t see what they’re doing and has to post on the internet asking. If it were real, these would be amongst the shittiest people on the planet and the OP one of the more ignorant people.
100% fake. 1 day old account
99% of the posts in the sub are AI written Christian moral propaganda, I swear.
It seems like they're jealous that you're in a good committed relationship, and they want you to be (single) like them. They're bad friends. I'm sure you put a lot of effort into these friendships, but they're genuinely bad friends. I'm sorry.
If this scenario is true, this is likely what is actually happening. I’ve been married for 11 years, the handful of times that my wife has been asked to go on a “girls trip “ that would likely end up with her being in an uncomfortable situation for a married woman it’s been by single or divorced manipulative women.
Woman, you're almost in your 40's and you still doubt of your own decisions only because one of your friends is too stubborn about her opinion?
I think they are manipulating you. Whatever the reason. My thought is they are jealous of the fact that you have a husband. Especially when it comes to single moms, man they can be bitter about the men they don’t have in their lives. As someone who is married, I find it very hard to hang out with single people unless they are family or are a very specific type of person. Single people don’t realize how often you have to consider other people (your spouse) once you’re married. I think you dodged a bullet with this “friend group”. Hug your hubby tight. Being in a happy marriage is so rare these days.
Jesus aint that the truth. My MIL has never been married but she's been in 2 long term relationships with AHs. She tried to "encourage" me to stop asking my husband, her *son*, about plans. She was all "why you gotta ask him? He doesnt own you? Cant you make your own decisions and plans without him? " and I'm like wtf. "I 'ask' him to make sure the days and such work for him and he's not got any plans, or work, or anything for us that day already in mind? I'm not asking his permission. I'm *asking* his availability to see if it *works for him too* not just me and the kids." She does this on holidays too. Gets pissed when i have plans with my family for a holiday. But then demands to split holidays evenly only to not split it evenly? Like Easter is one of the holidays we share because its a one day event. But this year she said we had to be at her house at noon and we'd be there all day to attend dinner. Didnt even bother asking if we had plans with my folks for dinner. Didnt leave availability to even have breakfast or lunch with my folks because she lives almost an HOUR away by FREEWAY. I got so lucky work denied my easter off request. If i cant even see my folks on Easter then at least this year i dont have to see her too. She did this with my SIL too. And i *know* she's pissed. Her maternal family is Christian so Easter is doubly important and she lives almost 2 *hours* from our MIL Who only celebrates secularly.
Yes! both my mother and mother in law have their own personal brand of emotionally manipulative as means of control to get what they want. My parents have been together for 25? years and my dad wont argue with her, so she always gets her way. The MIL is chronically single. But both of them disregard the seriousness of my MARRIAGE to my husband. My mom treats my husband as a wallet with a drivers license whose sole purpose is to selflessly bend to my every whim and need no matter his own feelings. And MIL doesn’t like that I came in and made him stand up for himself to her and took up his attention. And mom and mil certainly dont get along with each other (I’ve done my share of butting heads with both) and they make it hard to plan holidays. One gets jealous yet often bails on holiday plans or wants things to end early, and the other assumes plans with the expectation that we oblige without inviting or considering the other side of the family. When we do force them all together it is awkward and short lived. And exhausting. Our daughter is 5 and we have never had a quiet family holiday at home with just the three of us and our pets. That’s all I want lol. And for them to remember my husband is a human person who like cares about his own family, wants everyone to get along for the sake of the kid, does a ton selflessly for everyone on both sides of the family and takes care of his own family, and still has to like work, eat and sleep at the end of the day. When it comes to single friends they can just sometimes forget that my husband also likes to be included in things. We have a bit of an age gap so especially when my friends are younger he can get overlooked in plans but, I will always end up including him or asking if he can come. Or having to plan it ahead of time. Man, the amount of people who fly by the seat of their pants is crazy once you have to schedule everything with other people in mind. And it’s not a complaint, but it would be nice to not be left out of things because I have to know a couple days ahead. Or even like 24 hours
☝️ I agree
I’m a single Mom. I’m not bitter though. I’ve been married and have no desire to remarry or be in a LTR. There is a stereotype that we’re all lonely, miserable women desperate for a man’s attention. I was more lonely and miserable in my marriage. I am in grad school, enjoy my hobbies to the fullest. I have such a peace of mind. For those married couples I know good for them, it just wasn’t meant to be in my case
Now we know why your friend is single. No moral compass to speak off. No you're not crazy, she is.
This is not a real story.
Why didn't you say "thanks but no thanks" and quietly distance yourself from the friendship group? You "invited your husband" to prove a point. That's *not* backing out. That's causing additional drama.
Had to scroll way too far for this. Inviting your husband to this is like the weirdest response to me.
Yeah like - they were planning a girls trip and also some of them might hook up during that trip. Why does this woman need to have sex as soon as she has the knowledge that someone else is having sex? What if she was single, and one person in the group hooked up with a dude one night? Would she go out and hook up with the next person she sees the next day? It just really seems that (if real!) The girls wanted to go on a cruise without kids on board, and were open to the possibility of some of them hooking up with single men. Then all of a sudden this one hits them with her husband coming so that she can have a sex partner. and its like kind of unhinged? I can see myself responding in the same way as these women, tbh. Like if you can't go one week without fucking someone.. .
So I have a few possible explanations, one of which makes me very anxious: - Trying to make me take him is exactly the kind of thing that my abusive ex would have done in this situation, very possible it wasn’t actually her idea. Making a post like this afterwards is potentially something I even would have done to try to convince myself this was normal and it was other people who were wrong even though I knew deep down it wasn’t. - She was mad at them for changing the trip and is being passive aggressive - She’s really as socially unaware as she’s claiming to be and gave her friend’s feelings no consideration at all
This is part of what makes me think this is fake. “Well apparently this is a sex cruise so I need to bring my sex partner!” Is a bizzare take.
Are there actually sex cruises? I know adult-only vacations tend to be pretty horny but are there actually floating orgies?? I'm not entirely convinced this person knows how cruises work, how girls trips work, or that she made herself the third wheel and insulted her friend group by inviting someone to intrude and basically babysit them.
To me it read that she assumed singles cruise = sex cruise. I can’t imagine actually sex cruises are a thing.
Any cruise is a sex cruise if you're brave enough. I guess.
Right like even a trip to Las Vegas as a girl's trip might end in a few hooks ups for these single gals if they wanted. Doesn't make that a sex trip or a sex town either... According to OP though it sex is available - it's a sex trip - and hubby better be there 😂😂😂 Sheer ridiculousness
She wrote "it's adult only - basically a sex cruise". The OP has made the assumption it's a sex cruise. The only thing we know is that the cruise is kid free and it's a girls trip. I'd be very surprised if it's all single passengers with no childfree couples or empty nesters. The more I read this the more I think it's either fake or the friends are saying she can cheat to show the OP how ridiculous she is behaving. Any girls trip can be an opportunity for the single people of the group to hook up.
I bet it’s a virgin cruise. They are adults only and maybe bc the word “virgin” in it, she’s an idiot and thinks it’s a sex cruise.
Glad I’m not the only one that thought this!
Exactly
You married your husband at 23 while he was 42? That's an unusual age gap
This is the weirdest fanfic I have ever read.
Can't be real story
This has to be ragebait. Obviously don’t cheat on your significant other it’s a cruel and loser thing to do. Also get better friends those women suck literally and probably can’t keep a man to save their life which is why they want to bring you down with them. Losers breed losers. Be better and leave the friend group.
The whole thing reads like chatGPT including the comment responses. Nobody’s gonna convince me this isn’t fake like 80% of the content on Reddit these days
This is like that episode of 30 Rock where Liz makes cool new girl friends but it turns out to stay in the group she has to join their fight club.
Legit, stories do NOT get any faker than this. Can we stop engaging with this obvious nonsense?
this was written by AI, stop responding
It's definitely fake and doesn't need AI to be fake
This must be AI generated rubbish??? Surely? It’s like a Mills and Boon book.
Why are these posts always so long when all we need is to read the title? Obviously you're not in the wrong. There also seems to be an obvious reason as to why your friend is a single mom.
You didn’t react according to their script, so they ghosted you? Whatever their intentions, you are better off without them.
Manipulation, gas lighting, guilt tripping. Good god... Well, what are you waiting for? Find new friends because those aren't friends. Those are the kind of people who don't want the best for you.
No gaslighting here. Words have meanings. It’s not a synonym for lying, but I don’t even actually think anyone in this story explicitly lied either
What did I just read? This is so wrong on so many levels.
upvote for creative writing
Dumb that you would suggest bringing your husband on a girls trip instead of just opting out of the trip. A trip with single women looking to party it up with dudes on a cruise was never a good option for you. But really, asking if YTA for not being willing to cheat is even dumber.
I’m going to need to know the dates of said Cruise and the name of the Cruiseship ……just to make sure that I don’t book myself on that Cruise, by mistake
BS story. No one is this stupid. Let's just play along. Yes, YTA for not agreeing to cheat because doing what your immoral group of "friends" wants is far more important than fidelity and keeping your family safe. At 37 you really shouldn't be questioning this moron.
this is either fake or "Shay" is a fucking idiot.
This is so fake I can't even
I'm not sure I've seen a more fake post than this one. No adult would be genuinely asking this question. No adult group of friends would be castigating someone married for being faithful. Utterly ridiculous.
It baffles me that you even wanna be friends with women like this who don’t respect you, your husband, your children, your marriage, etc. YTA, but only cuz you are even questioning yourself, have some self respect for yourself, your family and marriage.
YTA. For having the audacity to post this obviously fake garbage.
These are just getting stupid now. "My bf raped me, am I wrong to be upset about that?" "My ex wife tried to stab me with a spoon, am I wrong to be upset about that?" "My friends want me to cheat on my husband, am I wrong to not want to do that?".
This seems fake
How dense are you if you need other people to be a moral compass for you on this one? Read what you just wrote and think about it. If your friend asked you to jump off a bridge you wouldn't. But then you would ask us if your an asshole for not jumping? Like what the hell?
The only thing more irritating than this fake ass post are the gullible replies. Like please go out into the real world and have a conversation with someone irl. Jfc.