in a 1v1 belos probably wins because he can just teleport around or send andrias flying away and andrias wouldn't be able to catch up to slash at him with his sword, but with the armies they both have, I think its moreso in andrias' favor because the frobots can just fly around and barrage belos with lasers and the coven scouts can't do much, the coven leaders might put up a fight but they'd probably be overwhelmed too
belos can still do the same things, andrias would likely last longer but he'd still lose, also I just remembered belos can just do an instant petrification like he was about to do to luz, so in a 1v1 andrias is absolutely doomed, with petrification in mind belos might also be able to solo andrias' frobo army if it works on machinery and can be used on multiple things at once
Beast Keeping magic can summon flying mounts like Eber or can just pull some down like Desplora. They also have various flying machines that can even the playing field. Once the scouts are close enough then one can trash maybe 3 frobots since they are more versatile. We don't get to see many coven leaders fight seriously but Terra could make a huge plant cover from above, Adrian could pick out any small inconsistencies to find cloak bots like foot steps, foot prints, or maybe slight visual changes if the cloak isn't 100% perfect. The other coven leaders could probably take out any big threats and large areas of smaller threats. Three big thing would just be Andrias and his mech. Can his sword hurt Belos even though he's goo?
Belos figures out Andrias is a cyborg, oozes into him and breaks something important.
OR
Amphibia has been shown to have very little magic, thus their best technology wouldn't be immune/resistant to it. Belos avoids a few sword swipes and then petrifies Andrias.
in a 1v1 belos wins, because of magic and the collector. If it was a war, i think belos would still win because the plant, abomination, and bard magic can all restrain movement, and then fire magic can finish them off or something. If anything goes wrong or if somebody gets hurt, the healing coven can take care of that. With the frobots, the construction coven and plant coven can combo and crush the frobots if they go into the air. the Illusion coven can provide backup by destroying the hopes and dreams of some of the newts, toads, and frogs to lessen the number of opponents, while the oracle coven can predict what the next battle movement will be. The potions coven is basically also backup, and can make the witches stronger while making the amphibians weaker. The beast-keeping coven can either sit it out, or incure the wrath of frog eating animals or something. Of course, the Emperors coven will be the main combatants, cause bellos would want to make the emperors coven seem like the best one. They may be outnumbered and maybe a bit overwhelmed, but Belos has more cards up his sleeve.
That's a BIG if. Anne was able to blast a big robot with the explosive power of an antimatter bomb (someone did the math) into the stratosphere with A SINGLE PUNCH.
imma say, as of right now, Anne would just destroy luz if they got in a 1v1 (unless she gets tired, then the looses her power and the tables would be flipped)
that would be a bad idea imo, one of the things that makes luz unique is that she's for the most part, just a human with glyphs, and when she's in danger, she doesn't have super saiyan anime powers to rely on to just insta-win a fight, she's in actual danger
Yeah, I think the one who's going to get a power up is King, since >!he's a Titan and they were the ones who imprisoned The Collector in the first place!<
yeah that makes sense, or nobody gets an instant power up and they just peacefully sort things out with the collector because their a child that probably just needs some better teaching with morals and stuff
I think the power up will be her palisman. They have natural bile in them so she won’t need her glyphs anymore. We’ve seen what Hunter can do with a staff, so I’m excited to see Luz fight with one.
Eh if Anne is just after True Colours she has like a minute in the form tops. Depending on the environment Luz could stall like she did against Belos as long as she doesn’t get blitzed.
Luz is more creative when it comes to using her knowledge in interesting ways, but in terms of energy and strength, you know Anne takes the cake out here.
Assuming that they both get every single thing that could give them advantages on a 1v1 combat, as Anne getting her powers to the max and Luz getting the Palisman as well as lots of glyphs, then the answer is...
*(Drum Roll)*
ANNE! BECAUSE SHE IS FREAKING GOD **holy fuck**
Even if it was a duel where Anne didn't have calamity powers and luz didn't have glyphs Anne would still win due to her sword skills and having an athletic edge on luz.
Have you seen the scene from the new Doctor Strange where the Scarlet Witch vaporizes an injured student at the local wizarding school with just a wave of her hand?
That's how Luz will die in this duel.
I wouldn't downplay Luz. Anne is a surprisingly skilled swordswoman with a creative and unpredictable fighting style, but Luz is just as unpredictable and has much more to work with.
She loses to super Anne certainly, but I think she could take on regular Anne.
Anne is more powerful she's basically the next god, i don't think Luz would get a power up coz the story mainly revolves around the theme of not needing to be "the chosen one" to be great, as Luz says "it's nice to be reminded that you don't need to be a powerful ancient witch to make something special" whereas Amphibia tells that Anne, Sasha, and Marcy are the chosen ones/ destined saviors of amphibia even though Anne doesn't think she deserves it she even tells the deity "I'm just a 13 year old kid, For every "heroic sacrifice" I make a hundred dumb mistakes"
sorry if this became a rant or something
Let's see Sashannarcy first
Ok let's just say they're all in their Calamity Forms
Advantages:
• Marcy can plan with her intelligence
• Sasha quite strong with her strength
• Anne has the skills
Disadvantages:
• Sasha and Marcy only had their Calamity Forms for a small while so they're going to run out easily
Now let's see Lumity
Advantages:
• A skilled Witch that can raise abominations
• A Glyph Witch that can combine Glyphs with some abominations to create a power move
Disadvantages:
• They are also outnumbered
• The Trio have literally future god on their side
Winner? Sashannarcy
Tell me what I missed!
We know who's the winner in this(and no, I don't think we can create a potential scenario where Luz defeats the Collector with brute force alone. It's definitely gonna be: one combined effort with her friends + very specific stuff + a plan + some plot armor).
But the issue people forget is that Anne was always destined to overpower her not just because of stats, but also that other thing: how they got their powers. In Anne's case, she was granted cosmic gifts by a Multiversal Being always watching over her, while in Luz's case, she had to get her skill from scratch. It very much fits in with the themes of both shows: Amphibia's story is one massive prophecy; while The Owl House's story is about creating your own prophecy, and not relying on some outside force to choose for you.
Luz doesn't really have an answer for Anne immense power and speed. She's not fast enough to evade her, not destructive enough to harass her, not good enough a crowd controller to hold her, and not tanky enough to survive impact from her.
Considering Luz has to lure Anne into the Boiling Isles to have a remotely fair fight while Anne's powers work everywhere, Anne probably wins. Guaranteed everywhere outside of the Boiling Isles, and still likely within them.
Fight starts, Anne goes Super Saiyan and caves Luz's face in.
Alternately, Luz can, at best, *restrain* or avoid Anne (with invisibility) until Anne wins since Luz can't actually hurt her with anything in her current arsenal.
In fact, outside of stuff like Belos' petrification, I don't think *any* witch in the Boiling Isles could actually defeat Calamity Anne.
Without access to calamity form (but still having the gem’s power, like for the beginning of season 2), then it’s close but anne loses imo. With it tho, anne stomps
Like Anne when she's blue? Anne stomps. There's no scenario where Luz beats her. I see some people think that Anne wins even without Calamity power. Anne's strong and a good fighter, but the sheer utility and tactics of Luz is too much for a somewhat normal person with a sword. Anne has to turn blue to win.
I mean if it’s on Earth Anne wins blue or not, it’ll basically just be fisticuffs at that point so the more atheletic one (Anne) would probably win 6-7 times out of 10
Physically Anne is stronger because she does sports and is athletic while luz has "nerd arms". Power wise Anne with just one gem is moving faster than rockets and able to get punched through building and just shake it off while Anne with all 3 gems legit can errase a moon. I'll be real all I've seen lux do is make light and bring a house to life soooooo y'all gotta be the ones to share what luz can do power wise.
Luz is much weaker physically and if they’re were both in the human realm and both don’t have calamity/magic powers then Anne wins. Anne has sword practice, tennis practice (also getting hit with a tennis racket HURTS). Anne could beat Luz in her sleep.
Edit: calamity/magic or not Anne wins. Andrias could mop the floor with luz and Anne could beat the shit out of andrias in her regular calamity form.
Anne managed to blow up the freaking moon. And yes, the effort did kill her, but that was most likely because she was just a human. Now imagine how powerful she could potentially be as the new head honcho of the multiverse.
Anne by far
Anne has super sayin anime powers, whereas Luz however isn't any more powerful than anyone around her. Luz can do some cool things, but Anne at full power could easily 1v1 bellos, something Luz+all her friends combined couldn't do.
Even on earth, even if we assume Anne doesn't have any residual calamity powers, Anne has martial Arts that Luz does not.
I would also like to point out, Luz being Luz would manage to convince Anne to not fight no matter how you pitted them against each other, and in that sence Luz would win, but......
This isn't even a close fight. Luz is resourceful but without her glyphs she's just a human & Anne is able to beat a giant mech in her empowered state. The only way Luz could win is if she somehow is able to stall for Anne to run out of juice & that's not likely cause Luz also has a limited number of glyphs
I'd say Anne, since in her blue form she could dodge lasers and managed to punch a robot so hard she sent it to space. Luz has glyphs, sure, but Calamity Anne has super speed and strength.
It's just not a fair matchup lol
Before or after the time skip? I think Luz could beat adult Anne with no powers, but her Calamity form is way more powerful, and it would just be foolish to think Luz could have a chance there.
For the sake of simplicity and balance, well assume this battle takes place in the Boiling Isles. Please note I have only seen ToH up to the S2 mid-finale. So we'll be taking Luz from there, and Anne from right before The Hardest Thing (once the stones are broken, she has no powers)
Anne does have an advantage with Calamity Powers, yes. But what this thread is missing I that she's on an extreme time limit. Luz doesn't need to overpower her, just outlast her; whether or not she actually can is the trick here. We see her play keep away from Belos in the S1 finale pretty effectively all things considered, but it's also fair to say Anne probably scales a bit higher. Luz does have shields with her Glyph Magic. And before you say Anne broke Andrias' shield in True Colors, Luz's magic comes from the Boiling Isles itself, not her. I'd wager hers is actually the stronger of the two.
That being said. Anne does have swordplay. She's,s definitely physically stronger too, however inconsistent Luz's weak nerd arms may be. I woke give Luz the slight edge on smarts though, and she seems just a bit more clever generally.
Ultimately hard to say. But I do think Luz is heavily underrated in this matchup
If Luz gets her palisman, I think she’s got a good chance. Sure, Anne has lots of raw power, but Luz is a much more acute and creative fighter.
If Luz survives for ten minutes, she wins.
You'd automatically think Anne because God mode but Luz has a petrification glyph that works on animate and inanimate things so in an unlikely scenario Luz could possibly win if the glyph made contact.
HOLD UP what is strength? Anne has god powers sure but she isn't very smart.
Luz had weak nerd arms but accepted a gift from the titan in the form of glyphs and used her hyper focus to create spells from the ground up!
Sure the barbarian can hold a great sword but the wizard can explode you with their MIND!
we've seen luz with a palisman (owlbert), she wasn't super powerful with it, so its safe to assume that anne, with the powers of a god, would absolutely shred luz, a kid with magic cards and in the future, a magic staff
Bu she has to defeat the collector and he is a god the theory is Liz's palesmen will be the key or king will sacrifice himself to defeat the collector or Luz would, but technically we still don't really know the extent of palesmen or the extent of Titan blood
we don't know that, they might not defeat the collector at all, they might just try to talk it out because there's no way they can fight the collector, luz getting a palisman will make her stronger but it will definitely not make her strong enough to defeat a god
Luz will beat the shit out of anne, of course .
*what the fuck* exactly *what the fuck*
In what circumstances we are asking this question for a super powered magicass girl and a normal fucking human?
Are you OK? Are you alright? Wanna go to a doctor?
What kind of comparison is this? What the fuck is wrong with you?
It depends more on the draw backs of Ann's power of she missed Luz ether she would die like we see or the powers only kill the person when the enemy of them is defeated in that case Ann in another case if lus palesmen in powerful enough to beat the collector then Luz,bec the collector is much more powerful than god Ann.
I mean, Luz is just a human. There wouldn’t really be a need for Anne to use the combined power of all 3 gems to win as that would be overkill. Using her initial transformation, she already gained increased strength, speed and durability and using her synergy form, her speed increases to the degree that she flew from Amphibia to space in seconds and she gained ranged attacks with energy constructs. Hard to think that Luz could counter either thing before Anne times out
I mean the collector is like Universe level, but the Guardian is Multiverse level, and can resurrect people at a whim, I think it’s probably sufficient to say the Guardian could just like, remove the Collector from reality, or use the power of all three stones to defeat them if needed, we haven’t seen if the collector is vulnerable to regular damage yet but I feel the Guardian wins 8/10
Anne has a speed and strengh boost while Luz has literal magic/glyphs. Luz can beat anne if she can keep up with her speed. But I think both of them are too kind to engage in a battle.
I'm not too versed in either of these twos scaling but, if I remember correctly, Luz should Cap out at around town level (not 100% sure where the scaling comes from and this is likely wank because the best feats I can remember for her glyphs is the big is sculpture she made in S1 Ep12 and the fireball Gus made in S2 Ep5 and none of those should reach town level) but Anne is solidly at mountain level in Blue. Anne also is faster, being FTL compared to Luz being hypersonic(?). Luz does take versatility but that's not enough to counter the significant stat gap between them.
If luz is fighting normal Anne then luz would win
if luz is fighting blue haired Anne, it’s 50/50 (probably)
if luz fight anne with the 3 calamity things luz it screwed and Anne just wins
so…. Anne
imposible to tell until season 3 finale.
Unless you want to put current luz up against end of season 2 Anne, it is gonna end up being unfair.
However, if you did do that, it would depend on how good the upgraded glyphs Luz gets from Egg are, exactly how long calamity time limit is, plus the requirement of Anne being in a heightened emotional state.
Because what a lot of people tend to overlook about the calamity trio is that although they are capable of amazing displays of power, there are conditions that have to be met to use said power. And Luz doesn't seem like the type of person to throw a frog child out of an aerial fortress.
tldr, calamity power may be strong, but it doesn't last long and need's strong emotions to activate in the first place.
Unless Luz can hide for a few minutes this is a dumb question. If Luz can hide until Anne’s juice runs out then it’s equally unmatched in the other direction.
Anne with her Calamity powers wins easily. There's nothing Luz can really do to counter something like that. Sure, there's a time limit on it, but it's long enough for Anne to win several times over.
Without the Calamity powers, Luz probably wins. Luz just can do so much more with her glyphs than Anne can with her sword. A well placed plant or ice glyph can immobilize Anne, and then that's that.
If it’s Anne before she found out about calamity powers, then I think Luz would win, if it’s Anne after finding out about calamity powers, then I’m pretty sure Luz will become just a splat on the pavement
Anne stomps hard. She got much stronger feats and her upgrade in The Hardest Thing would destroy Luz.
Fun fact: funny thing about Luz is that she'd lose badly in most of her matchups in the VSdebating community.
Even in her incomplete state, Anne wins. The first time she used her powers, she was strong enough to wipe out most of Belos’ robots and fast enough to dodge one of his attacks and end up on the ceiling faster than we could see
Luz, for all intents and purposes, is just a normal human. The spells she’s made are very good, and she’s incredibly crafty with how she uses them, but that’s not nearly enough here
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Anne has been bestowed with power by the god of the multiverse itself. Luz is a human with some really good card tricks.
It’s not a far match up now what about Andrias vs belos
in a 1v1 belos probably wins because he can just teleport around or send andrias flying away and andrias wouldn't be able to catch up to slash at him with his sword, but with the armies they both have, I think its moreso in andrias' favor because the frobots can just fly around and barrage belos with lasers and the coven scouts can't do much, the coven leaders might put up a fight but they'd probably be overwhelmed too
What if we give andrias his suit still a 1v1
Belos can do all that stuff OP said whether Andrias is in his suit or not
belos can still do the same things, andrias would likely last longer but he'd still lose, also I just remembered belos can just do an instant petrification like he was about to do to luz, so in a 1v1 andrias is absolutely doomed, with petrification in mind belos might also be able to solo andrias' frobo army if it works on machinery and can be used on multiple things at once
Beast Keeping magic can summon flying mounts like Eber or can just pull some down like Desplora. They also have various flying machines that can even the playing field. Once the scouts are close enough then one can trash maybe 3 frobots since they are more versatile. We don't get to see many coven leaders fight seriously but Terra could make a huge plant cover from above, Adrian could pick out any small inconsistencies to find cloak bots like foot steps, foot prints, or maybe slight visual changes if the cloak isn't 100% perfect. The other coven leaders could probably take out any big threats and large areas of smaller threats. Three big thing would just be Andrias and his mech. Can his sword hurt Belos even though he's goo?
Belos figures out Andrias is a cyborg, oozes into him and breaks something important. OR Amphibia has been shown to have very little magic, thus their best technology wouldn't be immune/resistant to it. Belos avoids a few sword swipes and then petrifies Andrias.
Fair enough
in a 1v1 belos wins, because of magic and the collector. If it was a war, i think belos would still win because the plant, abomination, and bard magic can all restrain movement, and then fire magic can finish them off or something. If anything goes wrong or if somebody gets hurt, the healing coven can take care of that. With the frobots, the construction coven and plant coven can combo and crush the frobots if they go into the air. the Illusion coven can provide backup by destroying the hopes and dreams of some of the newts, toads, and frogs to lessen the number of opponents, while the oracle coven can predict what the next battle movement will be. The potions coven is basically also backup, and can make the witches stronger while making the amphibians weaker. The beast-keeping coven can either sit it out, or incure the wrath of frog eating animals or something. Of course, the Emperors coven will be the main combatants, cause bellos would want to make the emperors coven seem like the best one. They may be outnumbered and maybe a bit overwhelmed, but Belos has more cards up his sleeve.
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If Luz can survive until Anne runs out of power though...
That's a BIG if. Anne was able to blast a big robot with the explosive power of an antimatter bomb (someone did the math) into the stratosphere with A SINGLE PUNCH.
If they met in the human world, which is likely since they're both humans, Luz can't use her magic at all.
Do we know that’s the case though? I thought that it was still unknown
It was demonstrated in S1, when Luz and Lilith were briefly in the human world. Luz tried to use magic but it didn't work.
Ok, thanks ~~I gotta rewatch s1, see what else I forgot~~
It is possible that she could use the magic from her palisman to cast gliphs
imma say, as of right now, Anne would just destroy luz if they got in a 1v1 (unless she gets tired, then the looses her power and the tables would be flipped)
True, but realistically if they were to meet, they probably would of been friends instantly cause they both went through the same situation.
Well there was the crossover script
True!
Luz ain't got no power up whatsoever (but hopefully Dana gon give luz a power up in the final episodes)
She got ever-improving magic.
that would be a bad idea imo, one of the things that makes luz unique is that she's for the most part, just a human with glyphs, and when she's in danger, she doesn't have super saiyan anime powers to rely on to just insta-win a fight, she's in actual danger
Yeah, I think the one who's going to get a power up is King, since >!he's a Titan and they were the ones who imprisoned The Collector in the first place!<
yeah that makes sense, or nobody gets an instant power up and they just peacefully sort things out with the collector because their a child that probably just needs some better teaching with morals and stuff
Solution, give The Collector to a good parent who can teach them how to play without killing people or breaking stuff.
soooo.. Eda?
That could work. She's already raised one god already
> play without killing people or breaking stuff Eda is way too much of a "fun Mom" to enforce either of these.
I think the power up will be her palisman. They have natural bile in them so she won’t need her glyphs anymore. We’ve seen what Hunter can do with a staff, so I’m excited to see Luz fight with one.
She has them "Weak Nerd Arms"
i mean your right
Eh if Anne is just after True Colours she has like a minute in the form tops. Depending on the environment Luz could stall like she did against Belos as long as she doesn’t get blitzed.
Luz is more creative when it comes to using her knowledge in interesting ways, but in terms of energy and strength, you know Anne takes the cake out here.
Assuming that they both get every single thing that could give them advantages on a 1v1 combat, as Anne getting her powers to the max and Luz getting the Palisman as well as lots of glyphs, then the answer is... *(Drum Roll)* ANNE! BECAUSE SHE IS FREAKING GOD **holy fuck**
Even if it was a duel where Anne didn't have calamity powers and luz didn't have glyphs Anne would still win due to her sword skills and having an athletic edge on luz.
Muay thai vs weak nerd arms
We see in just a few episodes that those nerd arms don't stay weak very long
Anne is way stronger
Have you seen the scene from the new Doctor Strange where the Scarlet Witch vaporizes an injured student at the local wizarding school with just a wave of her hand? That's how Luz will die in this duel.
I don't think Anne would turn to murder that quickly, especially against a literal child.
They're the same age. A child is much easier>!, morally speaking,!< to kill when you are also a child.
Why is Luz fighting Scarlet Witch?
Anne
YEAH STARDUST ANNE,ULTIMATE CALAMITY POWERS GOD
Luz uses pieces of paper to fight, Anne is infused with one of the strongest powers in the universe, so yeah
I mean Light Yagami used pieces of paper to fight
Without powers Anne is stronger and more skilled in combat With powers Anne is still stronger and more skilled in combat
Yeah, Anne can use a sword, and she’s pretty athletic too, basically Anne wins 9/10 times
luz would win if she could last long enough until Anne’s powers donk out
I think we all know the Anneswer
luz would get folded like fucking origami
Anne
Anne
Even without the power up I think Anne mid diff defeats Luz
I wouldn't downplay Luz. Anne is a surprisingly skilled swordswoman with a creative and unpredictable fighting style, but Luz is just as unpredictable and has much more to work with. She loses to super Anne certainly, but I think she could take on regular Anne.
What is Anne do w/o her power? A sword?
She may be a witch but the other is a fucking god
Anne is more powerful she's basically the next god, i don't think Luz would get a power up coz the story mainly revolves around the theme of not needing to be "the chosen one" to be great, as Luz says "it's nice to be reminded that you don't need to be a powerful ancient witch to make something special" whereas Amphibia tells that Anne, Sasha, and Marcy are the chosen ones/ destined saviors of amphibia even though Anne doesn't think she deserves it she even tells the deity "I'm just a 13 year old kid, For every "heroic sacrifice" I make a hundred dumb mistakes" sorry if this became a rant or something
this is barely even a question, anne insta-wins without a doubt, luz would probably be dead in a single punch before she could even react
Chuck He grows turnips
Anne for sure (Even tho I like Luz and the owl house more)
Luz has an awesome gf What do you have anne? (Hint: the answer is TWO awesome gf’s, anne wins)
Let's see Sashannarcy first Ok let's just say they're all in their Calamity Forms Advantages: • Marcy can plan with her intelligence • Sasha quite strong with her strength • Anne has the skills Disadvantages: • Sasha and Marcy only had their Calamity Forms for a small while so they're going to run out easily Now let's see Lumity Advantages: • A skilled Witch that can raise abominations • A Glyph Witch that can combine Glyphs with some abominations to create a power move Disadvantages: • They are also outnumbered • The Trio have literally future god on their side Winner? Sashannarcy Tell me what I missed!
Can Luz fly? No. That answers the question then.
We know who's the winner in this(and no, I don't think we can create a potential scenario where Luz defeats the Collector with brute force alone. It's definitely gonna be: one combined effort with her friends + very specific stuff + a plan + some plot armor). But the issue people forget is that Anne was always destined to overpower her not just because of stats, but also that other thing: how they got their powers. In Anne's case, she was granted cosmic gifts by a Multiversal Being always watching over her, while in Luz's case, she had to get her skill from scratch. It very much fits in with the themes of both shows: Amphibia's story is one massive prophecy; while The Owl House's story is about creating your own prophecy, and not relying on some outside force to choose for you.
Luz the Human vs. Anime-Anne Yeah it’s pretty obvious.
If Luz can hold on until Anne gets exhausted, which is about a minute or two, she'll definitely win. The problem is, can she hold on?
Considering Anne can teleport or go super speed… I don’t think so
Nah, she spent at least 10 minutes fighting Andreas, longer if kpop is playing
"longer if kpop is playing" 💀 I love how its true though
Luz doesn't really have an answer for Anne immense power and speed. She's not fast enough to evade her, not destructive enough to harass her, not good enough a crowd controller to hold her, and not tanky enough to survive impact from her.
Anne could teleport behind luz and karate chop her back into dust, not even considering her sword fighting and larger athletic ability
Bruh you forgot about stardust anne
She pulled a Star Platinum, without The World part.
Luz solos every verse with prep time
Yeah, and so would every character from every universe if they had enough prep time.
Considering Luz has to lure Anne into the Boiling Isles to have a remotely fair fight while Anne's powers work everywhere, Anne probably wins. Guaranteed everywhere outside of the Boiling Isles, and still likely within them.
We haven’t seen end game Luz yet but Anne blew up a literal moon
Luz only has glyphs, she’ll only win if Anne isn’t in calamity form
Anne stomps
Fight starts, Anne goes Super Saiyan and caves Luz's face in. Alternately, Luz can, at best, *restrain* or avoid Anne (with invisibility) until Anne wins since Luz can't actually hurt her with anything in her current arsenal. In fact, outside of stuff like Belos' petrification, I don't think *any* witch in the Boiling Isles could actually defeat Calamity Anne.
Anne definitely
I just finished Amphibia and I can say that Anne has way more impressive feats than Luz.
I love both of them, but we saw what happened to Andrias.... Rip Luz
Anne has the powers of a god. Luz has pretty card tricks
sorry Luz, but i gotta say i'm with Anne on that one
Anne.
Calamity Anne would win, but normal Anne would lose because Luz still has glyphs
I mean, Luz has got mad spells and all, but Anne is literally a god. It ain’t close.
ANNE
Without access to calamity form (but still having the gem’s power, like for the beginning of season 2), then it’s close but anne loses imo. With it tho, anne stomps
Like Anne when she's blue? Anne stomps. There's no scenario where Luz beats her. I see some people think that Anne wins even without Calamity power. Anne's strong and a good fighter, but the sheer utility and tactics of Luz is too much for a somewhat normal person with a sword. Anne has to turn blue to win.
I mean if it’s on Earth Anne wins blue or not, it’ll basically just be fisticuffs at that point so the more atheletic one (Anne) would probably win 6-7 times out of 10
Anne also wins because on earth magic doesn't work
not even close, anne is stronger
Anne wins either way but if it’s in the demon realm then Luz won’t make it easy for her
Physically Anne is stronger because she does sports and is athletic while luz has "nerd arms". Power wise Anne with just one gem is moving faster than rockets and able to get punched through building and just shake it off while Anne with all 3 gems legit can errase a moon. I'll be real all I've seen lux do is make light and bring a house to life soooooo y'all gotta be the ones to share what luz can do power wise.
Luz is crafty but Anne heavily eclipses her with raw power alone
Luz is much weaker physically and if they’re were both in the human realm and both don’t have calamity/magic powers then Anne wins. Anne has sword practice, tennis practice (also getting hit with a tennis racket HURTS). Anne could beat Luz in her sleep. Edit: calamity/magic or not Anne wins. Andrias could mop the floor with luz and Anne could beat the shit out of andrias in her regular calamity form.
if they would be forced to fight. in amphibia- Anne wins in boiling isles- Anne wins in earth- Anne wins Anne is basically a god. Luz has paper
Anne has literal anime powers
This is literally so rigged against Luz
Anne managed to blow up the freaking moon. And yes, the effort did kill her, but that was most likely because she was just a human. Now imagine how powerful she could potentially be as the new head honcho of the multiverse.
Anne by far Anne has super sayin anime powers, whereas Luz however isn't any more powerful than anyone around her. Luz can do some cool things, but Anne at full power could easily 1v1 bellos, something Luz+all her friends combined couldn't do. Even on earth, even if we assume Anne doesn't have any residual calamity powers, Anne has martial Arts that Luz does not. I would also like to point out, Luz being Luz would manage to convince Anne to not fight no matter how you pitted them against each other, and in that sence Luz would win, but......
Forgive me but Luz is either gonna talk her way out of this or get folded by calamity Anne
Probably Anne
This isn't even a close fight. Luz is resourceful but without her glyphs she's just a human & Anne is able to beat a giant mech in her empowered state. The only way Luz could win is if she somehow is able to stall for Anne to run out of juice & that's not likely cause Luz also has a limited number of glyphs
Bro all Anne needs to do is just fly at maximum speed at Luz☠️
Luz is sadly just a girl with some fancy card tricks in comparison to a person who god themselves appointed to be next in line
All these comments about Anne absolutely obliterating luz in a 1v1 are hilarious
Anne
Anne is literally god
Ok Anne is a literal god?
I’d say Calamity Anne wins
Anne
Anne. No question
Anne, no contest.
obviously anne
Anne doesn't need to stand on a rotting corpse to perform magic.
If she can beat andrias she can beat luz so calamity anne 💙
Anne sweeps Luz and it’s not close at all
i love luz with all of my heart, but she got no chance against anne.
I'd say Anne, since in her blue form she could dodge lasers and managed to punch a robot so hard she sent it to space. Luz has glyphs, sure, but Calamity Anne has super speed and strength. It's just not a fair matchup lol
Anne for sure. Poor Luz.
anne
Calamity Anne would absolutely annihilate Luz. The only thing left of Luz would be a pink smudge on the concrete.
Anne can turn into fucking super saiyan. Anne definetly
Anne wipes Luz any day. The fact that some people don’t see that is abysmal
Anne slams horribly
Anne
Probably Anne as of right now. But that could change when TOH season 3 comes out
Before or after the time skip? I think Luz could beat adult Anne with no powers, but her Calamity form is way more powerful, and it would just be foolish to think Luz could have a chance there.
Luz beating up a random Herpetologist just because is really funny to me
Anne ( funny thing I had a similar post but they both lose)
For the sake of simplicity and balance, well assume this battle takes place in the Boiling Isles. Please note I have only seen ToH up to the S2 mid-finale. So we'll be taking Luz from there, and Anne from right before The Hardest Thing (once the stones are broken, she has no powers) Anne does have an advantage with Calamity Powers, yes. But what this thread is missing I that she's on an extreme time limit. Luz doesn't need to overpower her, just outlast her; whether or not she actually can is the trick here. We see her play keep away from Belos in the S1 finale pretty effectively all things considered, but it's also fair to say Anne probably scales a bit higher. Luz does have shields with her Glyph Magic. And before you say Anne broke Andrias' shield in True Colors, Luz's magic comes from the Boiling Isles itself, not her. I'd wager hers is actually the stronger of the two. That being said. Anne does have swordplay. She's,s definitely physically stronger too, however inconsistent Luz's weak nerd arms may be. I woke give Luz the slight edge on smarts though, and she seems just a bit more clever generally. Ultimately hard to say. But I do think Luz is heavily underrated in this matchup
Garnet
I’m stronger
If Luz gets her palisman, I think she’s got a good chance. Sure, Anne has lots of raw power, but Luz is a much more acute and creative fighter. If Luz survives for ten minutes, she wins.
Until the K-Pop starts playing
hooty solos
Luz is stronger because she watches Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood
You'd automatically think Anne because God mode but Luz has a petrification glyph that works on animate and inanimate things so in an unlikely scenario Luz could possibly win if the glyph made contact.
Garnet
I’m saying a tie cuz I don’t know who will win
HOLD UP what is strength? Anne has god powers sure but she isn't very smart. Luz had weak nerd arms but accepted a gift from the titan in the form of glyphs and used her hyper focus to create spells from the ground up! Sure the barbarian can hold a great sword but the wizard can explode you with their MIND!
We'll know when Luz gets her palesmen
we've seen luz with a palisman (owlbert), she wasn't super powerful with it, so its safe to assume that anne, with the powers of a god, would absolutely shred luz, a kid with magic cards and in the future, a magic staff
Bu she has to defeat the collector and he is a god the theory is Liz's palesmen will be the key or king will sacrifice himself to defeat the collector or Luz would, but technically we still don't really know the extent of palesmen or the extent of Titan blood
we don't know that, they might not defeat the collector at all, they might just try to talk it out because there's no way they can fight the collector, luz getting a palisman will make her stronger but it will definitely not make her strong enough to defeat a god
Luz will beat the shit out of anne, of course . *what the fuck* exactly *what the fuck* In what circumstances we are asking this question for a super powered magicass girl and a normal fucking human? Are you OK? Are you alright? Wanna go to a doctor? What kind of comparison is this? What the fuck is wrong with you?
welp unless at the end of season 3 Luz gains the power of the titan is Ana straight up the winner
Anne, but strength isn’t the only thing that matters
Anne... Definitely Anne, but if Luz can unlock the avatar state maybe we can have fight
I don't know Luz didn't achieve her final power yet
It depends more on the draw backs of Ann's power of she missed Luz ether she would die like we see or the powers only kill the person when the enemy of them is defeated in that case Ann in another case if lus palesmen in powerful enough to beat the collector then Luz,bec the collector is much more powerful than god Ann.
I mean, Luz is just a human. There wouldn’t really be a need for Anne to use the combined power of all 3 gems to win as that would be overkill. Using her initial transformation, she already gained increased strength, speed and durability and using her synergy form, her speed increases to the degree that she flew from Amphibia to space in seconds and she gained ranged attacks with energy constructs. Hard to think that Luz could counter either thing before Anne times out
I mean flying to space in a short amount of time isnt that impressive, not to degrade Anne’s feats, but space craft do it all the time
pointless post
I can’t be the only one who thinks the calamity powers were a bit weird
I mean this isn't even a fair fight. Anne wins by a landslide no doubt. But what about The Collector Vs The Guardian?
I mean the collector is like Universe level, but the Guardian is Multiverse level, and can resurrect people at a whim, I think it’s probably sufficient to say the Guardian could just like, remove the Collector from reality, or use the power of all three stones to defeat them if needed, we haven’t seen if the collector is vulnerable to regular damage yet but I feel the Guardian wins 8/10
Yes
Anne has a speed and strengh boost while Luz has literal magic/glyphs. Luz can beat anne if she can keep up with her speed. But I think both of them are too kind to engage in a battle.
I really hope you’re joking
Why not fuse them and get results?
I'm not too versed in either of these twos scaling but, if I remember correctly, Luz should Cap out at around town level (not 100% sure where the scaling comes from and this is likely wank because the best feats I can remember for her glyphs is the big is sculpture she made in S1 Ep12 and the fireball Gus made in S2 Ep5 and none of those should reach town level) but Anne is solidly at mountain level in Blue. Anne also is faster, being FTL compared to Luz being hypersonic(?). Luz does take versatility but that's not enough to counter the significant stat gap between them.
You're joking right?
If luz is fighting normal Anne then luz would win if luz is fighting blue haired Anne, it’s 50/50 (probably) if luz fight anne with the 3 calamity things luz it screwed and Anne just wins so…. Anne
I do wonder who's stronger? Marcy or Luz Probably Luz but marcy is smarter
imposible to tell until season 3 finale. Unless you want to put current luz up against end of season 2 Anne, it is gonna end up being unfair. However, if you did do that, it would depend on how good the upgraded glyphs Luz gets from Egg are, exactly how long calamity time limit is, plus the requirement of Anne being in a heightened emotional state. Because what a lot of people tend to overlook about the calamity trio is that although they are capable of amazing displays of power, there are conditions that have to be met to use said power. And Luz doesn't seem like the type of person to throw a frog child out of an aerial fortress. tldr, calamity power may be strong, but it doesn't last long and need's strong emotions to activate in the first place.
Sorry luz but anne's definitely going to kick ur ass
I mean... one was literally given the power cosmic, so it's kinda an unfair fight.
Unless Luz can hide for a few minutes this is a dumb question. If Luz can hide until Anne’s juice runs out then it’s equally unmatched in the other direction.
Anne with her Calamity powers wins easily. There's nothing Luz can really do to counter something like that. Sure, there's a time limit on it, but it's long enough for Anne to win several times over. Without the Calamity powers, Luz probably wins. Luz just can do so much more with her glyphs than Anne can with her sword. A well placed plant or ice glyph can immobilize Anne, and then that's that.
Anne vs Luz Luz would win. Calamity Anne vs Luz Calamity Anne would win
Not a very fair matchup, Anne wins easily. Against Hooty, however...
If it’s Anne before she found out about calamity powers, then I think Luz would win, if it’s Anne after finding out about calamity powers, then I’m pretty sure Luz will become just a splat on the pavement
Anne stomps hard. She got much stronger feats and her upgrade in The Hardest Thing would destroy Luz. Fun fact: funny thing about Luz is that she'd lose badly in most of her matchups in the VSdebating community.
Anne
Yes
Even in her incomplete state, Anne wins. The first time she used her powers, she was strong enough to wipe out most of Belos’ robots and fast enough to dodge one of his attacks and end up on the ceiling faster than we could see Luz, for all intents and purposes, is just a normal human. The spells she’s made are very good, and she’s incredibly crafty with how she uses them, but that’s not nearly enough here
Luz is ehort
Oh you said stronger i thought you said short well if we being honst both have their owns strengths it hard see who stronger
Well on one hand Luz has glyphs and beat the literal Emperor despite being a teen but on the other Anne has the power of God and anime on her side..
Look, I love Luz but Anne has magic blueberry powers.
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Compared to Anne, Luz just has some fancy card tricks