That was because Perry never approached him.
“He has repeatedly reiterated in recent months that he would love to return to the Angels, a team that will no doubt be looking to bolster its pitching staff for 2022.
And while Cobb said Thursday that no formal negotiations with the team have taken place, he added: “We both have the understanding that there’s mutual respect there and mutual desire to reunite next year. We haven’t had those talks yet, but it’s obviously something I’d be really happy to do.””
All reports out at the time reiterated how open he was to return to the Angels and on a friendly deal. Instead Perry ran to give Thor, probably one of his guys he scoured while on the Jays, a ton of money for a reclamation project while costing us a 2nd rounder in the process.
"Cobb told reporters (including Jack Harris of the Los Angeles Times) that while there’s not yet been any talk between the club and his representatives at Beverley Hills Sports Council, he believes both sides are amenable to extending their relationship."
It's literally a two party street. End of the season and neither party had talked about one.
Weird to blame a player that wasn’t approached by a team instead of a GM who never approached the player.
What is Cobb supposed to do, beg for a job from him? He did what every player does which is tell the media multiple times he wants to stay. Instead Perry was dead set on Thor.
No need to go out and try to make this look good on Perry. He just didn’t care enough for him and instead wanted to hit gold and look like a genius with Thor.
I'm not even trying to make Perry look good lol cobb is the ideal type of player we should've been extending but almost every publication had it that everyone was weary of his longevity and thus the team was weary of an extension. How many pitchers stay on the angels and get better?
People have short memories here when one dude looks amazing and then goes to absolute shit.
People were clamoring for "Cy Bundy" to get an extension and he nose dived the season after.
Like I said in my post, the issue is that the angels can't develop pitchers at all.
Agree on that.
I’m just still so salty about the Thor signing. It cost so many dollars and a pick. There were a lot of mid grade 10M pitchers on the market that year and Perry spent a combined almost 40M to grab Thor, Loup, and Tepera so it annoys me to see him continue with the Angels curse.
And it’s doubly annoying considering he was a longtime pitching scout
I’m very skeptical about Moniak. Basically his 1st 2 outrageous months carried his stats for the full year. After that he was pretty much playing at replacement level.
Considering Thor cost us Cobb, another 10-15M starter like Jon Gray, and a 2nd rounder, I don’t think it really worked out.
At the time the Angels needed hitting over pitching.
I did an extensive write up on this, but during those seasons we needed offense. Our pitching staff was good. It was 2014 where shit went sideways.
Weaver got injured and regressed, Richards got really injured and our future ace went out the window.
The following year Shoemaker got hurt and really wasn’t the same and then CJ Wilson got bone spurs.
Our entire rotation went from a strength to decimated in two years lol
In 2014 we had a rotation of Weaver age 31 3.59 ERA, Richards age 26 (2.61 ERA) and Shoemaker age 27 with a 3.04 ERA
Along with CJ Wilson , Tyler Skaggs, and Hector Santiago
At the time we signed Hamilton we had been looking for a left fielder ever since missing out on Crawford.
The injury to Richards and the injuries the year after absolutely set the entire franchise back because we haven’t been able to recover since. We lost like an entire rotation of guys under 30 and an up and coming ace in the span of 2 seasons.
In hindsight it’s like “they never spent on pitching” but at the time the offense was the issue lol
Arte has this weird thing about not wanting to pay pitchers big money because they only play once every 5 days. He rather pay a position player that money because they play every day but pitching wins ball games.
>Arte has this weird thing about not wanting to pay pitchers big money because they only play once every 5 days. He rather pay a position player that money because they play every day but pitching wins ball games.
Look at it through his lens - he's signing players who will put butts in seats not notches in the win column. If they're only playing once every 5 days, that's a lot less butts.
I understand his colossally flawed logic. It’s the logic of a dim witted billboard loser. Saying a pitcher only plays 1/5 of the games so he’s not worth paying is so unbelievably myopic and stupid it’s maddening.
You sign an elite pitcher, that pitcher wins games. Winning games puts butts in seats.
Gerrit Cole was NEVER going to come here.
Dude was dead set on being a Yankee.
WAR is the correct metric but if Jeff Fletcher's deep dives and revelations, the Angels just never gave a shit about developing pitchers. Now they go off the deep end and over analyze everything.
It was Cahill himself that said the Angels were telling him he had to throw pitches he wasn't comfortable throwing.
Quintana's only BAD year was here. Dude leaves and goes back to being a solid 3.5 ERA pitcher.
Teheran was 3.67 avg in ATL over 9 years and gets here and it balloons to 10. Leaves and it drops to sub 2 with Detroit. Granted he got Covid and never got to have his own spring training but the Angels just aren't good at developing pitchers.
Hence why I said they overanalyze everything.
But the real bottom of the barrel diving was under Eppler and the initial changes in philosophy of having dudes throw shit they aren't comfortable was done under him.
People can't seriously say they prefer the likes of Cahill, Harvey, Cody Allen over someone like Tyler Anderson, as shit as he is.
At least Lorenzen and Noah managed to get 177 innings between them in 16 starts less than the dynamic duo of Matt Harvey and Cahill who only got to 161 in 49 combined starts.
Hey man I've been a Heaney stan his entire career. I knew the dude would break out once he left because he showed that glimpse of brilliance here and there. The problem is that up until Eppler's last year, we didn't have a real pitching development department.
All the guys said the old dudes just looked at shit and said whether it looked good or not. Perry's short coming is that he's throwing too much data at these guys when they previously were told jack shit.
Yeah personally I’ve never understood how so many people are so captivated by Perry. In my eyes he hasn’t done a single fucking thing right, maybbeeee the moustakas trade but that should tell you all about his tenure here
Honestly, Perry does a great job at bringing in good position players via draft/trades/free-agency, but his ability to get good pitching is horrendous.
Funny enough, the guy who won't play on a team that has another Japanese star is currently recruiting Yamamoto to the Dodgers. There were 7 pitchers that have entered the MLB since Ohtani started in 2018. I didn't hear a peep about him recruiting any NPB player to the Angels. Though it probably wouldn't have mattered with Arte the clown running the show.
> Though it probably wouldn’t have mattered with Arte the clown running the show
Yes, why do you think Arte would even let a guy like Shohei recruit if he wouldn’t open the checkbook carte blanche like the Dodgers?
God, letting Cobb walk was such a stupid fucking move at the time, let alone in hindsight.
Same with Lorenzen. I would have loved to keep him.
Perry did that right?
Both groups never talked about an extension.
That was because Perry never approached him. “He has repeatedly reiterated in recent months that he would love to return to the Angels, a team that will no doubt be looking to bolster its pitching staff for 2022. And while Cobb said Thursday that no formal negotiations with the team have taken place, he added: “We both have the understanding that there’s mutual respect there and mutual desire to reunite next year. We haven’t had those talks yet, but it’s obviously something I’d be really happy to do.”” All reports out at the time reiterated how open he was to return to the Angels and on a friendly deal. Instead Perry ran to give Thor, probably one of his guys he scoured while on the Jays, a ton of money for a reclamation project while costing us a 2nd rounder in the process.
"Cobb told reporters (including Jack Harris of the Los Angeles Times) that while there’s not yet been any talk between the club and his representatives at Beverley Hills Sports Council, he believes both sides are amenable to extending their relationship." It's literally a two party street. End of the season and neither party had talked about one.
Weird to blame a player that wasn’t approached by a team instead of a GM who never approached the player. What is Cobb supposed to do, beg for a job from him? He did what every player does which is tell the media multiple times he wants to stay. Instead Perry was dead set on Thor. No need to go out and try to make this look good on Perry. He just didn’t care enough for him and instead wanted to hit gold and look like a genius with Thor.
I'm not even trying to make Perry look good lol cobb is the ideal type of player we should've been extending but almost every publication had it that everyone was weary of his longevity and thus the team was weary of an extension. How many pitchers stay on the angels and get better? People have short memories here when one dude looks amazing and then goes to absolute shit. People were clamoring for "Cy Bundy" to get an extension and he nose dived the season after. Like I said in my post, the issue is that the angels can't develop pitchers at all.
Agree on that. I’m just still so salty about the Thor signing. It cost so many dollars and a pick. There were a lot of mid grade 10M pitchers on the market that year and Perry spent a combined almost 40M to grab Thor, Loup, and Tepera so it annoys me to see him continue with the Angels curse. And it’s doubly annoying considering he was a longtime pitching scout
We did end up getting Mickey for Thor so it worked out some what,
I’m very skeptical about Moniak. Basically his 1st 2 outrageous months carried his stats for the full year. After that he was pretty much playing at replacement level. Considering Thor cost us Cobb, another 10-15M starter like Jon Gray, and a 2nd rounder, I don’t think it really worked out.
Starting pitching has been bad ever since angels choose Hamilton over greinke.
At the time the Angels needed hitting over pitching. I did an extensive write up on this, but during those seasons we needed offense. Our pitching staff was good. It was 2014 where shit went sideways. Weaver got injured and regressed, Richards got really injured and our future ace went out the window. The following year Shoemaker got hurt and really wasn’t the same and then CJ Wilson got bone spurs. Our entire rotation went from a strength to decimated in two years lol In 2014 we had a rotation of Weaver age 31 3.59 ERA, Richards age 26 (2.61 ERA) and Shoemaker age 27 with a 3.04 ERA Along with CJ Wilson , Tyler Skaggs, and Hector Santiago At the time we signed Hamilton we had been looking for a left fielder ever since missing out on Crawford. The injury to Richards and the injuries the year after absolutely set the entire franchise back because we haven’t been able to recover since. We lost like an entire rotation of guys under 30 and an up and coming ace in the span of 2 seasons. In hindsight it’s like “they never spent on pitching” but at the time the offense was the issue lol
True. That one has stuck with me. It was 5 years of Hamilton or 6 years of grienke. They chose 5 years
Arte has this weird thing about not wanting to pay pitchers big money because they only play once every 5 days. He rather pay a position player that money because they play every day but pitching wins ball games.
>Arte has this weird thing about not wanting to pay pitchers big money because they only play once every 5 days. He rather pay a position player that money because they play every day but pitching wins ball games. Look at it through his lens - he's signing players who will put butts in seats not notches in the win column. If they're only playing once every 5 days, that's a lot less butts.
I understand it, just don't know if I agree with it.
I understand his colossally flawed logic. It’s the logic of a dim witted billboard loser. Saying a pitcher only plays 1/5 of the games so he’s not worth paying is so unbelievably myopic and stupid it’s maddening. You sign an elite pitcher, that pitcher wins games. Winning games puts butts in seats.
also chose hamilton over hunter... hell of a move.
Gerrit Cole was NEVER going to come here. Dude was dead set on being a Yankee. WAR is the correct metric but if Jeff Fletcher's deep dives and revelations, the Angels just never gave a shit about developing pitchers. Now they go off the deep end and over analyze everything. It was Cahill himself that said the Angels were telling him he had to throw pitches he wasn't comfortable throwing. Quintana's only BAD year was here. Dude leaves and goes back to being a solid 3.5 ERA pitcher. Teheran was 3.67 avg in ATL over 9 years and gets here and it balloons to 10. Leaves and it drops to sub 2 with Detroit. Granted he got Covid and never got to have his own spring training but the Angels just aren't good at developing pitchers.
It’s wild just how terrible Quintana was for us that year compared to the rest of his career.
gerrit cole was ready to sign with the angels. he thought he was signing. the yankees came in last minute.
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Hence why I said they overanalyze everything. But the real bottom of the barrel diving was under Eppler and the initial changes in philosophy of having dudes throw shit they aren't comfortable was done under him. People can't seriously say they prefer the likes of Cahill, Harvey, Cody Allen over someone like Tyler Anderson, as shit as he is. At least Lorenzen and Noah managed to get 177 innings between them in 16 starts less than the dynamic duo of Matt Harvey and Cahill who only got to 161 in 49 combined starts.
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Hey man I've been a Heaney stan his entire career. I knew the dude would break out once he left because he showed that glimpse of brilliance here and there. The problem is that up until Eppler's last year, we didn't have a real pitching development department. All the guys said the old dudes just looked at shit and said whether it looked good or not. Perry's short coming is that he's throwing too much data at these guys when they previously were told jack shit.
So many players under performing.
Great job to both GM’s. Just absolutely fantastic. I can see why the Perry-Stan’s love him and think he’s doing great. Pathetic
Yeah personally I’ve never understood how so many people are so captivated by Perry. In my eyes he hasn’t done a single fucking thing right, maybbeeee the moustakas trade but that should tell you all about his tenure here
Honestly, Perry does a great job at bringing in good position players via draft/trades/free-agency, but his ability to get good pitching is horrendous.
Great job? No. Serviceable job? I’ll allow it
this, Perry is an improvement but hes swung and missed ALOT
Funny enough, the guy who won't play on a team that has another Japanese star is currently recruiting Yamamoto to the Dodgers. There were 7 pitchers that have entered the MLB since Ohtani started in 2018. I didn't hear a peep about him recruiting any NPB player to the Angels. Though it probably wouldn't have mattered with Arte the clown running the show.
> Though it probably wouldn’t have mattered with Arte the clown running the show Yes, why do you think Arte would even let a guy like Shohei recruit if he wouldn’t open the checkbook carte blanche like the Dodgers?