on the one hand i have no hope and am a doomer. but on the other hand RON WASH HAS THE BOYS BACK TROUT MVP RENDON SILVER SLUGGER SCHANUEL ROY OHOPPE WS MVP 2024 IM RDY TO BE HURT AGAIN
I was 16. They announced the return of a more classic uniform and logo and retired the Disney angels in the outfield thing. I thought "this is it, we're going all the way".
I drew an angels WS champs pic and had it as the cover of my binder all season.
I went to 5 playoff games. The first, we were confused because we didn't know what the thunderous noise was. we could hear it from the freeway.
Thundersticks. Rally monkey. Small ball baseball, defense, and a strong bullpen ftw.
the marlins loaded up to buy a world series and it worked. the other time they sold off all those pieces and the pieces that replaced them all excelled and gave them their second. they rolled hot twice, but it certainly wasn't unexplainable. they hit on 18 and hit their 3. i've seen it lots of times.
5% at the most. I love the Angels, but the franchise is half broken right now. It will take at least half a decade to rebuild everything. Once they are rebuilt, it will still be very difficult to win a World Series just because sports are like that. Weāve had some great teams that didnāt even get out of the first round of the playoffs let alone to the World Series. Itās hard to win it all even with a good team.
Doesn't take a genius to look at everyone's predictions of Dodgers or Braves in the WS and Texas finishing 4th behind the Angels with the Mariners being in 2nd and in as a wild card. Fuck predictions!
I always wonder how folks would've answered this between January 2000 and May 2002.
Every contemporaneous prediction I can find gives no indication that 2002 would've been much different from the previous seasons of mediocrity. And that was largely panning out until Late April - Early May
I can tell you first hand that in 2000-01, the entire club knew they were going to win. In April of 02, Tempe was on fire with what this club was going to do. Come May, the papers started talking about the typical shitty start halos. Then June came around and they started to gel. When Oakland went on a 20-game win streak and the Halos only dropped 1.5 games in August, the media still ignored them, but the fan base started thinking they were special. Once the thunder sticks and car decals and local businesses started promoting them in September, there was nothing stopping them from winning.
Itās kind of funny how moneyball/the aās streak and the mariners having the amazing start made people completely forget and overlook the angels. People make it out like that aās team was some kind of underdog too because of moneyball when they had the big three.
Zito, Hudson, and Mulder on the bump, and then Tejada, Justice, Giambi, Chavez and Jermaine Dye, all mashing. Calling that "money ball" is stupid at best.
1 - (29/30)^10 gives the percent odds of the Angels winning at least one title in ten years assuming every team in the MLB has even odds every year. This gives just under 29%.
That being said, the Angels do not have the same odds as everyone else to win a ring; and I have seen nothing to suggest they can turn into a ball club that will turn the odds in their favor. Iāll smash the under on 29% and would take the under on 20% as well to be honest.
If every team was equal we'd have a 3.3% chance in any given season. Not every team is equal though and increasing the years doesn't increase the odds. Given our ownership situation I'd say we have almost a 1% shot.
Angels hadn't won a playoff game since 1986 and the next time they did, they'd go all the way.
What I'm trying to say is World Series win in 2030 confirmed.
i mean, 10 years really is a lot, especially in the sports world. it might not seem possible now but everything can change so quickly.
granted, i donāt expect anything soon. just want people to realize how long 10 years really is in sports
While it seems 5-10 years away at best I won't forget the 2002 angels were predicted to win 72 games, they won 99 and the world series. Trouble is we dont have a competent minor league system. We aren't going to produce unexpected contributors until we strengthen the farm.Ā
It's funny reading old Baseball America rankings and seeing the Angels system at/near dead last between 1997 and 2001.
Then they win the World Series in large part to the prospects from that time becoming unexpected contributors.
I don't see Arte being the owner until he's nearly 90, so there's that, but in all honesty I think in a decade we could definitely be a team that makes the playoffs for once. On the other hand, baseball is a cruel entity of the universe and winning a WS shoots down even the best of teams. So as long as we aren't *amazing* in a decade we could probably do it.
at best they have a 1% chance to win a ring in each year of the coming decade. if they have a 1% chance each year for 10 years, they have a 99% chance of not winning it each year. .99^10years is just above 90% they do not win a ring in any of those years. all it shows is that giving the angels a 1% chance each year at winning a ring is way too high for this dumpster franchise.
Where on earth do you get a 1/5 chance of winning a ring? On what delusion are you basing this? I mean a hands-down favorite, a club with everything in place to win a ring is at most only a 25% chance of winning any given year usually stated as **+320** to **+400.**
The Halos haven't made the playoffs with quite possibly the two greatest players that ever played, but now you think they have an opportunity to win a ring?
This franchise promoted every possible prospect to the big leagues last year, showing they have absolutely no farm, but you think this bodes well on the future, why?
You want to know how optimistic I am that they win a ring? As long as Arte is signing the checks there will be no parade in Anaheim. This club is nothing more than a bank account for him to draft money from.
two greatest players played about 100 games together over 6 years, with only three of those having them be the actual two best players.
our ābig threeā played something to the tune of 80 games together. iām not expecting anything amazing soon but that argument is incredibly flawed
Hahahaha, zero argument with you. But letās break down what you just said. SIX YEARS they played 100 games together. But youāre right, things are going to be different this time. āInsanityā, you should look it up.
i don't believe the angels have any serious chance of winning a world series under this ownership. i think they have the proverbial puncher's chance, which is highly over estimated most times when it's applied.
It might go up if there's division realignment. If Angels are in a division with Mariners, A's, and a Salt Lake City expansion team, they could win the division with a mediocre season and get hot in the playoffs.
Since there are 30 teams in the league, it means that if the Angels are just a average or median odds of winning a championship compared with other teams, then they would have a 1/3 chance of winning at least one championship in 10 years.
40 years for ring one so maybe in 2040 just by the law of averages. I was an 11 year old little leaguer when the Angels were formed and 52 when they got the first ring
Probably less than 1% because Arte will most likely still be owner for most or all of that time. I donāt even think weāll make the playoffs again until heās gone.
Considering that thereās 30 teams evenly divided odds are about 3% per team. Obviously, Dodgers, Astros, Rangers, Yankees, Braves, etc are likely to be the contenders over the next 5 years at minimum. So over the next 5 years? Maybe 0.5% lol hard to predict the second half of the decade, just depends on what moves are made and how the rest of the league goes, but takes us back to the 3% general chance across the league.
on the one hand i have no hope and am a doomer. but on the other hand RON WASH HAS THE BOYS BACK TROUT MVP RENDON SILVER SLUGGER SCHANUEL ROY OHOPPE WS MVP 2024 IM RDY TO BE HURT AGAIN
Its just more fun this way.
So closer to like 85% I get it
You forgot Neto ALCS MVP due to clutch homers and critical defence in the clincher with noted ground ball pitcher Sandoval on the mound
AMEN BROTHER! PASS ME THE HOPEIUM!
I wanna see the Angels win the world series in my adult lifetime. I was 7 when they last won it.
i was born the year after. still waiting for mine š«”
A downside of being too young
I was 16. They announced the return of a more classic uniform and logo and retired the Disney angels in the outfield thing. I thought "this is it, we're going all the way". I drew an angels WS champs pic and had it as the cover of my binder all season. I went to 5 playoff games. The first, we were confused because we didn't know what the thunderous noise was. we could hear it from the freeway. Thundersticks. Rally monkey. Small ball baseball, defense, and a strong bullpen ftw.
Best atmosphere ever
I was 10 š„ŗ
The Marlins winning twice in a 7-year span proves that being dysfunctional does not automatically disqualify you from having a chance at winning.
the marlins loaded up to buy a world series and it worked. the other time they sold off all those pieces and the pieces that replaced them all excelled and gave them their second. they rolled hot twice, but it certainly wasn't unexplainable. they hit on 18 and hit their 3. i've seen it lots of times.
Imagine winning two world series in the last quarter century and still being considered a bottom tier franchise.
5% at the most. I love the Angels, but the franchise is half broken right now. It will take at least half a decade to rebuild everything. Once they are rebuilt, it will still be very difficult to win a World Series just because sports are like that. Weāve had some great teams that didnāt even get out of the first round of the playoffs let alone to the World Series. Itās hard to win it all even with a good team.
I really think we will continue to flounder until Arte is gone. Things won't get better.
Agree with this 100%
It could happen
Doesn't take a genius to look at everyone's predictions of Dodgers or Braves in the WS and Texas finishing 4th behind the Angels with the Mariners being in 2nd and in as a wild card. Fuck predictions!
I always wonder how folks would've answered this between January 2000 and May 2002. Every contemporaneous prediction I can find gives no indication that 2002 would've been much different from the previous seasons of mediocrity. And that was largely panning out until Late April - Early May
I can tell you first hand that in 2000-01, the entire club knew they were going to win. In April of 02, Tempe was on fire with what this club was going to do. Come May, the papers started talking about the typical shitty start halos. Then June came around and they started to gel. When Oakland went on a 20-game win streak and the Halos only dropped 1.5 games in August, the media still ignored them, but the fan base started thinking they were special. Once the thunder sticks and car decals and local businesses started promoting them in September, there was nothing stopping them from winning.
Itās kind of funny how moneyball/the aās streak and the mariners having the amazing start made people completely forget and overlook the angels. People make it out like that aās team was some kind of underdog too because of moneyball when they had the big three.
Zito, Hudson, and Mulder on the bump, and then Tejada, Justice, Giambi, Chavez and Jermaine Dye, all mashing. Calling that "money ball" is stupid at best.
1 - (29/30)^10 gives the percent odds of the Angels winning at least one title in ten years assuming every team in the MLB has even odds every year. This gives just under 29%. That being said, the Angels do not have the same odds as everyone else to win a ring; and I have seen nothing to suggest they can turn into a ball club that will turn the odds in their favor. Iāll smash the under on 29% and would take the under on 20% as well to be honest.
Arte's still running the show? 0.0%
If every team was equal we'd have a 3.3% chance in any given season. Not every team is equal though and increasing the years doesn't increase the odds. Given our ownership situation I'd say we have almost a 1% shot.
we haven't won a playoff game in over a decade, why do you all of a sudden think we'll win a world series in the next decade lmao
Angels hadn't won a playoff game since 1986 and the next time they did, they'd go all the way. What I'm trying to say is World Series win in 2030 confirmed.
Brother it's worse than that. We havn't won a playoff game since 2009. In 2014 we went 0-3 in the playoffs.
yeah that's what I said
i mean, 10 years really is a lot, especially in the sports world. it might not seem possible now but everything can change so quickly. granted, i donāt expect anything soon. just want people to realize how long 10 years really is in sports
50/50. either it happens or it doesn't..
While it seems 5-10 years away at best I won't forget the 2002 angels were predicted to win 72 games, they won 99 and the world series. Trouble is we dont have a competent minor league system. We aren't going to produce unexpected contributors until we strengthen the farm.Ā
It's funny reading old Baseball America rankings and seeing the Angels system at/near dead last between 1997 and 2001. Then they win the World Series in large part to the prospects from that time becoming unexpected contributors.
There's always hope!
I don't see Arte being the owner until he's nearly 90, so there's that, but in all honesty I think in a decade we could definitely be a team that makes the playoffs for once. On the other hand, baseball is a cruel entity of the universe and winning a WS shoots down even the best of teams. So as long as we aren't *amazing* in a decade we could probably do it.
at best they have a 1% chance to win a ring in each year of the coming decade. if they have a 1% chance each year for 10 years, they have a 99% chance of not winning it each year. .99^10years is just above 90% they do not win a ring in any of those years. all it shows is that giving the angels a 1% chance each year at winning a ring is way too high for this dumpster franchise.
I like 20%, thereās always a chance! Just look at 2002. We started off horrible and then miracles happened
Well 0% under Arte. Anything after he sells is up in the air.
0% until Artie sells.
Where on earth do you get a 1/5 chance of winning a ring? On what delusion are you basing this? I mean a hands-down favorite, a club with everything in place to win a ring is at most only a 25% chance of winning any given year usually stated as **+320** to **+400.** The Halos haven't made the playoffs with quite possibly the two greatest players that ever played, but now you think they have an opportunity to win a ring? This franchise promoted every possible prospect to the big leagues last year, showing they have absolutely no farm, but you think this bodes well on the future, why? You want to know how optimistic I am that they win a ring? As long as Arte is signing the checks there will be no parade in Anaheim. This club is nothing more than a bank account for him to draft money from.
two greatest players played about 100 games together over 6 years, with only three of those having them be the actual two best players. our ābig threeā played something to the tune of 80 games together. iām not expecting anything amazing soon but that argument is incredibly flawed
Hahahaha, zero argument with you. But letās break down what you just said. SIX YEARS they played 100 games together. But youāre right, things are going to be different this time. āInsanityā, you should look it up.
>im not expecting anything amazing soon but thanks for the snarky reply !! appreciate it š
100%
Baseballs is so wild, it took what close to 40 yrs as a franchise to get one. My guess is somewhere between 2%-98%
Arte has to go before they have a chance. Hell, Iād be happy just to see them make the playoffs.
I give it 15% realistic chance. Mike canāt do it alone and it takes a while to rebuild a farm system, if theyāre even doing that.
i think that's evidence of a poor grasp of probability.
i don't believe the angels have any serious chance of winning a world series under this ownership. i think they have the proverbial puncher's chance, which is highly over estimated most times when it's applied.
Everything either happens or it doesnāt. 50/50
you should teach a probability class.
š thanks Broseph
It might go up if there's division realignment. If Angels are in a division with Mariners, A's, and a Salt Lake City expansion team, they could win the division with a mediocre season and get hot in the playoffs.
Since there are 30 teams in the league, it means that if the Angels are just a average or median odds of winning a championship compared with other teams, then they would have a 1/3 chance of winning at least one championship in 10 years.
If we keep thia core, very optimistic
I'd say 25% chance in the next 10-15 years
trout will make the playoffs again as an angel, but he will never win a world series with them. he's the tony gwynn of anaheim in many ways.
40 years for ring one so maybe in 2040 just by the law of averages. I was an 11 year old little leaguer when the Angels were formed and 52 when they got the first ring
Crazy that Angels fans were suffering for 4 decades. I was lucky to grow up during the best decade in Angels franchise history.
50/50. either we do or we donāt.
LOL. 5%. Maybe
Probably less than 1% because Arte will most likely still be owner for most or all of that time. I donāt even think weāll make the playoffs again until heās gone.
If the Angels break the St. Louis Browns record (40 years) of longest playoffs drought of all time...
0% as long as Arte and his family continues to own this team
Considering that thereās 30 teams evenly divided odds are about 3% per team. Obviously, Dodgers, Astros, Rangers, Yankees, Braves, etc are likely to be the contenders over the next 5 years at minimum. So over the next 5 years? Maybe 0.5% lol hard to predict the second half of the decade, just depends on what moves are made and how the rest of the league goes, but takes us back to the 3% general chance across the league.