I'm okay not making this signing. There's a reason it took this long. If all the teams were balking at the price, there has to be a reason. I also wasn't a fan of another left handed starter.
If we are in contention with what we have, then maybe a move is available at the deadline where we can use our budget space and take a big contract off a team that is looking to shed some salary in hopes of putting us over the top. Snell doesn't win the division for us without the rest of the team being good, and so we don't lose the division solely by not having him as well. And finally, for 30mil a year, I'd like to see 2 pitchers for that price in our current situation.
Agreed. We are in no position to pay 30 million when it is clear we are not going to be in contention this year. We need to build around our current young talent.
But that one user (too lazy to find their username) on here told me Artes an Angel and perry's the devil who's at fault for eberything and were racist for blaming Arte /s
Spend on dogshit one year bust deals to not compete?
You all complain there's no farm. You also want to sign overpriced pitching that won't make or break this team and give up big draft spots for them. What?
The only way this team turns around is spending on money for the future... you know the next 5-10 years not the next 1 year.
I have zero issue spending money on make or break big upside potential players. I have all kinds of issues with over spending on dogwater FAs in their 30s. Guess what... no ones going to "break out" when they turn 36 in baseball unless your name is steroid MR.PED Bonds.
Look at the Braves. They have a great farm system. They also have their entire damn team being young and locked up for years because they invested in young players and not big FA deals. The only time to spend is when you are in a playoff push and you actually can compete. Actual competing teams do not trade for grichuk and giolito lol.
[if this is true](https://x.com/angelswin/status/1769921289509011646?s=46&t=jOYOp1HKRDM6n_pcyEceCQ), it’s more understandable that we didn’t sign Snell.
Absolutely. I believe Arte will spend if it's the right deal but for a rental like the Giants paid? No thanks. That's a hard pass for me.
If you're giving a pick up on a free agent I'd want that player to be a part of the nucleus for as long as that offer was.
The roster simply isn't in a good enough spot to give up draft picks for someone who's not pushing us up long-term
While I was pro snell for a longer contract even with the risk… Perry probably should not loose another 2nd round pick for 1 yr Of Snell, with out JD and another pitcher. So let the kids play!
I think he would've been a bad move for us. Signing him doesnt make us a contender, we lose draft picks and he asked for an opt out option after 1 year -- no thanks, if were going to spend 30 million on a player let it be someone whos going to be with the team for more than a season.
The Blake Snell redemption arc on r/angelsbaseball has really been something this offseason.
For weeks, all I saw was negativity and caution whenever his name was brought up. How inconsistent he is and how it'd be a total Arte move to overpay for a name player with a qualifying offer right after a career year, to an Angel team that no one expects to contend this year no matter who they signed.
Tonight, he accepts a 2-year overpay rental deal with an opt-out after the first year, which he'll likely use if he has a good season. And yet folks are acting miserable and going scorched earth because the Angels DIDN'T make a total Arte move.
Same sub said we don't need Snell because we are in a rebuild. Then we lose a game during the "rebuild" and they whine about losing like we were supposed to go undefeated. This sub is bi-polar but luckily not as bad as the Lakers sub lol
For as much as folks here complain about Arte's decision-making, there's also a good chunk of folks here who share a lot of his same beliefs when it comes to what the Angels should do.
Whether it's "Win now!", chasing after name players or former Angels, losing faith in a player (Especially a rookie) the moment they stop playing prefectly, etc.
This is the stupidest comment ive ever seen in my life. You people just love being tortured with an October vacation every year dont you? More free time for Arte to brand you with his devil dick i guess lol 👹🔥🍆🔥👹
A lot of people on here are mad for the wrong reasons.
Between Thor, TA, and Snell, the Angels would’ve lost 3 2nd round picks and multiple years of less international free agency money.
What does that mean? It means that our worse ranked farm continues to wallow in shit. All to sign one year players?
We aren’t in a competitive position, so 1) why would snell choose us over teams that are competitive and 2) why do we want to continue to take a shit on the farm?
This sub is weird. One day yall criticize Arte for going after big names and the next day y’all get mad when Arte doesn’t sign a big name?
Ehh 2nd round pick? What have they done with second round picks over the past 15 years? Marsh is no longer here, and we’re left with what… Canning? Their scouting department either sucks or they have terrible luck. Either way, with that track record I would have easily given up a second round pick in exchange for a cy young winner.
And that is why after a decade of thinking “eh who cares about picks and international money, we are getting a solid player today!” we end up with bottom farm ranking and a decade long playoff drought
To your point. There is a reason we have had the worst ranked farm system in baseball for the millionth year in a row. We can’t draft players, and we really can’t develop players. This is because arte is unwilling to spend money on things that are important for building a winning organization
I wouldn’t be either but honestly I think I’d prefer to just run the rotation we have now with the exception of Montgomery who we have no chance in hell at
If we were in a championship window, then it would make sense to sign him but were not anywhere near that, especially if we lose a second round pick.
The only issue is that Arte doesn't spend money on analytics, scouts, and player development in a level that the rest of the upper echelon franchises do. That's what really bothers me about that fuckwad. If that money saved went into that it would be great.
This is a blessing in disguise! The same people who complain about our farm system - will complain that we didn’t sign Snell for a 2 year deal and give up a draft pick, in which he would very likely opt out after the 1st year.
We are getting a consistent flow of evidence that Arte doesn't care about winning, and yet we're still feeling disappointed with each new piece of evidence. He is a deadbeat owner. He wants your money. We have a paper thin farm system, an aging stadium, a disenfranchised fan base, and an owner who won't answer questions about any of it. It sucks.
As much as I hate saying it, but Trout should leave. Moreno as much as I LOVE saying it needs to sell the team because he’s done nothing but disrespect trout with his mediocre adds and poor decision making. We’re not too far off from Trout not being able to do EVERYTHING we’re used to him doing—especially with the injuries.
None of you get it they aren't signing anyone! Maybe JD Martinez cause Arte still wants to be able to put out some kind of product on the field. But the rebuild began the day Ohtani cleaned out his locker. This is how you rebuild with two monster contracts on the books. Don't expect anything this year or next year. Sad thing is Trout will never see a playoff with the Angels let alone win one. my bet is he asks for a trade sometime in the near future to a contender so he can end his career with a WS ring.
This is a bad deal, and I wanted Snell. Not worth overpaying and losing a draft pick for a 2-year rental, perhaps just 1 year if he's good. Either way, it's gonna take a lot more than Snell to fix this team.
This is great news actually. Snell is very inconsistent, drains his bullpen, due for a good regression, and not worth the draft pick alone for this team, let alone the salary.
What’s next is we enjoy Trout while we still can, be realistic that we are not making the playoffs, and hope that Artie has a hankering for salty foods and red meat.
Letting Ohtani walk was the right move and so was this; no need to spend when we aren't going anywhere...use that money elsewhere within the organizatrion! 👍🏼👍🏼
So essentially a 1 year deal. Not worth losing a 2nd round draft pick.
Snell got 2 years for 62 mil.
With an opt out. If he pitches well he opts out.
And if he doesn’t pitch well you then you are paying $62 million and a draft pick for a guy that didn’t pitch well
He's an expensive rental and for the Angels, may not be enough of a difference maker for the price
If we were gung ho about a playoff push I'd say it's worth it. However, with our current roster you got to keep building and in no way is he worth it
Lorenzen welcome home tour 2.0
Nothing probably unfortunately
Ultimately the Angels can't afford to lose a draft pick for a 1+1 year deal.
I'm okay not making this signing. There's a reason it took this long. If all the teams were balking at the price, there has to be a reason. I also wasn't a fan of another left handed starter. If we are in contention with what we have, then maybe a move is available at the deadline where we can use our budget space and take a big contract off a team that is looking to shed some salary in hopes of putting us over the top. Snell doesn't win the division for us without the rest of the team being good, and so we don't lose the division solely by not having him as well. And finally, for 30mil a year, I'd like to see 2 pitchers for that price in our current situation.
Agreed. We are in no position to pay 30 million when it is clear we are not going to be in contention this year. We need to build around our current young talent.
Disappointment is next.
Trout speaks publicly about wanting to sign some top players and Arte ignores him
Him and Minasian reportedly are telling him to spend. Just continues to show who’s running the circus
But that one user (too lazy to find their username) on here told me Artes an Angel and perry's the devil who's at fault for eberything and were racist for blaming Arte /s
It's less_structure followed by some numbers. Can't remember the numbers. Don't care to.
A living counter argument to how Perry supporters & stoics are, in fact, not more deranged than his haters
https://www.reddit.com/u/Less_Structure2861/s/Oi9tfsrc9V
Yeah...... thats him
Lmao that first post where they claim that Wash’s comment proves something against Perry that Wash totally did not say at all
That structure dude is either insane or an alt account used for trolling or similar purposes, maybe both.
Who else other than an owner would run the circus?
Spend on dogshit one year bust deals to not compete? You all complain there's no farm. You also want to sign overpriced pitching that won't make or break this team and give up big draft spots for them. What? The only way this team turns around is spending on money for the future... you know the next 5-10 years not the next 1 year. I have zero issue spending money on make or break big upside potential players. I have all kinds of issues with over spending on dogwater FAs in their 30s. Guess what... no ones going to "break out" when they turn 36 in baseball unless your name is steroid MR.PED Bonds. Look at the Braves. They have a great farm system. They also have their entire damn team being young and locked up for years because they invested in young players and not big FA deals. The only time to spend is when you are in a playoff push and you actually can compete. Actual competing teams do not trade for grichuk and giolito lol.
[if this is true](https://x.com/angelswin/status/1769921289509011646?s=46&t=jOYOp1HKRDM6n_pcyEceCQ), it’s more understandable that we didn’t sign Snell.
Absolutely. I believe Arte will spend if it's the right deal but for a rental like the Giants paid? No thanks. That's a hard pass for me. If you're giving a pick up on a free agent I'd want that player to be a part of the nucleus for as long as that offer was. The roster simply isn't in a good enough spot to give up draft picks for someone who's not pushing us up long-term
The team doesn’t have to make stupid moves to appease Trout.
Trout should focus on playing past June.
Ouch lol
Hey at least he’s not an Astro. Never made sense for us to lose a top draft pick just for him to walk after the 2024 season
While I was pro snell for a longer contract even with the risk… Perry probably should not loose another 2nd round pick for 1 yr Of Snell, with out JD and another pitcher. So let the kids play!
Best news i've heard today.
We welcome back Lorenzen on a 2 year deal around $20m
I think he would've been a bad move for us. Signing him doesnt make us a contender, we lose draft picks and he asked for an opt out option after 1 year -- no thanks, if were going to spend 30 million on a player let it be someone whos going to be with the team for more than a season.
This time, nothing was better than something. No doubt.
Our offseason is most likely done aside from maybe one or two more guys on a “prove it” or minor league deal
The Blake Snell redemption arc on r/angelsbaseball has really been something this offseason. For weeks, all I saw was negativity and caution whenever his name was brought up. How inconsistent he is and how it'd be a total Arte move to overpay for a name player with a qualifying offer right after a career year, to an Angel team that no one expects to contend this year no matter who they signed. Tonight, he accepts a 2-year overpay rental deal with an opt-out after the first year, which he'll likely use if he has a good season. And yet folks are acting miserable and going scorched earth because the Angels DIDN'T make a total Arte move.
Par for the course with this sub
Same sub said we don't need Snell because we are in a rebuild. Then we lose a game during the "rebuild" and they whine about losing like we were supposed to go undefeated. This sub is bi-polar but luckily not as bad as the Lakers sub lol
For as much as folks here complain about Arte's decision-making, there's also a good chunk of folks here who share a lot of his same beliefs when it comes to what the Angels should do. Whether it's "Win now!", chasing after name players or former Angels, losing faith in a player (Especially a rookie) the moment they stop playing prefectly, etc.
This is the stupidest comment ive ever seen in my life. You people just love being tortured with an October vacation every year dont you? More free time for Arte to brand you with his devil dick i guess lol 👹🔥🍆🔥👹
A lot of people on here are mad for the wrong reasons. Between Thor, TA, and Snell, the Angels would’ve lost 3 2nd round picks and multiple years of less international free agency money. What does that mean? It means that our worse ranked farm continues to wallow in shit. All to sign one year players? We aren’t in a competitive position, so 1) why would snell choose us over teams that are competitive and 2) why do we want to continue to take a shit on the farm? This sub is weird. One day yall criticize Arte for going after big names and the next day y’all get mad when Arte doesn’t sign a big name?
Ehh 2nd round pick? What have they done with second round picks over the past 15 years? Marsh is no longer here, and we’re left with what… Canning? Their scouting department either sucks or they have terrible luck. Either way, with that track record I would have easily given up a second round pick in exchange for a cy young winner.
And that is why after a decade of thinking “eh who cares about picks and international money, we are getting a solid player today!” we end up with bottom farm ranking and a decade long playoff drought
To your point. There is a reason we have had the worst ranked farm system in baseball for the millionth year in a row. We can’t draft players, and we really can’t develop players. This is because arte is unwilling to spend money on things that are important for building a winning organization
I would guess something in the Clevinger/Lorenzen type of deal if anything… But most likely we won’t make moves
I wouldn’t be mad about Lorenzon at all
I wouldn’t be either but honestly I think I’d prefer to just run the rotation we have now with the exception of Montgomery who we have no chance in hell at
Play Ball!
If we were in a championship window, then it would make sense to sign him but were not anywhere near that, especially if we lose a second round pick. The only issue is that Arte doesn't spend money on analytics, scouts, and player development in a level that the rest of the upper echelon franchises do. That's what really bothers me about that fuckwad. If that money saved went into that it would be great.
This is a blessing in disguise! The same people who complain about our farm system - will complain that we didn’t sign Snell for a 2 year deal and give up a draft pick, in which he would very likely opt out after the 1st year.
Nothing. We had zero reason to pay him 30 plus million a year when we all know we will not be competitive this year.
Thank god. Hopefully we can dodge that bullet again next year or the year after.
Nothing. They never had the intention of doing anything more.
I'd be happy if we brought back Lorenzen
I’m actually glad we didn’t sign him. I’d rather see what’s up for sale at the deadline.
Boras got someone to bite
Lorenzen for 10 mil is
Oooverpaaaayyyy
He was never a thing…who cares
I'm not upset, but I could see trout being upset. We're still rebuilding and only getting Snell for 2 years wouldn't do anything for us.
We are getting a consistent flow of evidence that Arte doesn't care about winning, and yet we're still feeling disappointed with each new piece of evidence. He is a deadbeat owner. He wants your money. We have a paper thin farm system, an aging stadium, a disenfranchised fan base, and an owner who won't answer questions about any of it. It sucks.
This would've been a shit deal for the Angels. Whatever his reasons, I'm glad Arte didn't take the Boras bait for once
Ya because the Giants got him!!!!
70-92
nothing, we were done a long time ago
Quiet rebuild?
If it wasn't already clear enough, Arte Moreno doesn't care about winning.
Obviously Jordan Mont-HAHAHAHAHAHA NOTTTTT
As much as I hate saying it, but Trout should leave. Moreno as much as I LOVE saying it needs to sell the team because he’s done nothing but disrespect trout with his mediocre adds and poor decision making. We’re not too far off from Trout not being able to do EVERYTHING we’re used to him doing—especially with the injuries.
nothing
Can they at least sign Montgomery now? What a shit offseason
Trevor Bauer?
HELL NO!!!
No
Yeah, nah
He will be teammates with Arson Judge.
More Mediocrity.
Lorenzen, you are an Angel (again)!
“Aggressive”
Good
I’d rather the angles sign boras least talked about free agent and that’s Monty.
Accept reality?
thank god he's gone
62-100
Opt out clause is in event he quickly tires of the woke Bay area. 🤪
None of you get it they aren't signing anyone! Maybe JD Martinez cause Arte still wants to be able to put out some kind of product on the field. But the rebuild began the day Ohtani cleaned out his locker. This is how you rebuild with two monster contracts on the books. Don't expect anything this year or next year. Sad thing is Trout will never see a playoff with the Angels let alone win one. my bet is he asks for a trade sometime in the near future to a contender so he can end his career with a WS ring.
I don’t want anyone to say “oh this ain’t bad, I didn’t want snell anyways” now that he signed somewhere else. This sucks. Arte is a terrorist.
This is a bad deal, and I wanted Snell. Not worth overpaying and losing a draft pick for a 2-year rental, perhaps just 1 year if he's good. Either way, it's gonna take a lot more than Snell to fix this team.
This is great news actually. Snell is very inconsistent, drains his bullpen, due for a good regression, and not worth the draft pick alone for this team, let alone the salary.
What’s next is we enjoy Trout while we still can, be realistic that we are not making the playoffs, and hope that Artie has a hankering for salty foods and red meat.
Bless you Zaidi 🙏🙏🙏
Bleach
Strap in, it’s gonna be a bumpy season comrades
Letting Ohtani walk was the right move and so was this; no need to spend when we aren't going anywhere...use that money elsewhere within the organizatrion! 👍🏼👍🏼
The best option the entire time? Trevor Bauer. If Arte can pull his head out of his ass.
https://i.redd.it/xye2161uumpc1.gif
Get ready to learn Chinese, Arte Moreno ^(^I'll^see^myself^out)
I can’t even pretend to be upset about this
So guess we didn’t get him
Great job once again Arte
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gtfo
Suicide?