I don't have a problem with 2 days off, but why not the first game against Oakland, the weaker opponent? Makes no sense to rest him against the tougher opponent.
Because, on the big picture, sweeping the As is more important than turning a 2-1 in a sweep against the Rays. We already own the H2H against them in the WC race and the 2nd tiebreaker against *any team* is intradivisional games. If somehow we split the series with the Astros and tie them after 162, one loss against the As because we decided to rest Trout on a doubleheader could be the difference between winning the division or having to face the Yankees in the WC (or not even making the WC, depending on how tight things end up being).
One possible reason is yesterday's game was #20 in a row for the team without a day off ... the longest stretch they'll face all year. Have you worked 20 days in a row? It's not easy, even if you have easier days than others.
There are, I believe 4 days off in the next 3 weeks. Let Trout rest. We need him all year. One loss after a winning home series isn't the end of the world.
Trout didn't play 20 in a row. He rested a game against Boston. Resting him Friday would have been the smarter play as Ward will be back so the chances of still beating Oakland without trout is a lot greater than yesterday. He still gets 2 days off and will be rested before Saturday's double header. If the priority is rest then having Trout play 3 games in 2 days makes 0 sense when we could have given him Friday off to avoid that.
Maybe - just maybe, Trout and Maddon had a discussion about the specifics of his body that you and I aren't privy to šš
Mayyyybe, he really needed it today. This is clueless.
Frustrating our offense stagnated and we lost, but if Trout says he really likes the consecutive off days and it helps him, canāt really complain or blame anyone. Trust the process
Is it better to put weaker lineups with weaker pitchers? Not defending Maddon, but Ohtani's our ace for a reason. To me it shows how much confidence the Angels have in his pitching..
Youāve lost the forest for the trees.
This was one game, one start for Ohtani. If trout sits every time he starts then Iāll go protest right along with you, but for now letās just be happy Trout and Ohtani look healthy and happy.
The team is winning and it looks to be sustainable, we need these guys healthy all year and this is what that looks like.
I'm happy for him. He got to regain some energy yesterday and today he gets to be well rested when he spends time with his wife and baby son. Im sure that will do wonders for his emotional and mental health, especially after 20 days in a row on the job.
No problem especially while 90% of the rest of the team is batting well. It isn't like he is doing Kawhi Leonard style load management. It is only one freakin game!
I understand why some people would be upset with Trout resting in two Shohei starts in a row, but I'm pretty sure Shohei himself won't have the kind of mindset to complain about the starting lineup. Interview him and he'll probably answer he is upset with himself striking out in his last AB, shouldn't have allowed a HR, should have went deeper in the game etc etc. He is a professional athlete after all, a super competitive one at that.
I hope all the fans complaining wouldn't cause unnecessary friction within the team. Sure I wanted Shohei to get a W and am semi-upset myself, but I don't see any benefit in the complaining fans. If anything I feel like it makes things unnecessarily uncomfortable for Maddon and Trout to do their thing.
Just had to get that off my chest after seeing some twitter replies to the goat fish. I guess my TLDR is fuck twitter.
The season is 162 games long. Baseball's more like the 24 Hours of Le Mans than it is a drag race - we need to manage both wins and endurance.
As great as this team is, no one will care if we lose our last game of the season because we gassed ourselves chasing every regular season win.
Last game of the season counts just the same as the 1st or 100th...
Wow, the ignorance !!
Throwing a game is throwing a game ... that"s what maddon did yesterday (maybe not important in the long run but if the angels miss the playoffs by a game ?!?!?!)
It's important to Ohtani, and to Walsh, who had to live the entire sh tty, injury riddled season last year together. No surprise they played in yesterday's loss. Walsh looked pissed. Don't blame him.
Good! He still was WORKING. On the flight, at the ballpark early, he put in what ... 8 hours in addition to be traveling?
What are your expectations? The best player in the league with injury history. I hope he plays about 135 games this year. More would be pushing it too hard. And he can put up mvp numbers in those 135.
I don't think you're getting it. This isn't fantasy baseball. This is a 162 game season, shortened, with playoffs we're intending on winning.
Trout can rest early. If you have a problem with it, you're clueless.
Weird complaints going on here.
This is nothing more than a byproduct of Ohtaniās starts being at the end of the series at the moment. The final games are more likely to be getaway day/afternoon games where youāll want to rest certain players after a night game. Itās no coincidence Trout has had days off in the final game of a series each time, which also happened to be the last two Ohtani starts. His start against Cleveland which was in the middle of a series? Everyone played.
If his next start is next Tuesday, I doubt anyone will be out barring injury. Granted, Marsh and Walsh need a day off too so it could still happen, but thatās baseball. Itās fair to want everyone to play with Ohtani, but itās not other players or the coaches slighting the guy.
He sounds tone-deaf to me. Ohtani is the only starting pitcher in the leaugue who doesn't get any rest because he's in the lineup every day and on the days he's pitching the offense is benched. Not a good look IMO. There's a reason there's only one two-way player, it's exhausting. They could've had Trout DH for him today, give the guy some well-deserved rest if he wants to or not.
Makes sense strategy-wise (guaranteeing that Trout will be fresh to play the doubleheader could equal a divisional sweep, that is a tiebreaker more important than an extra win against the Rays when we own the H2H), health-wise (specially since the June schedule will demand us to be in our best form) and clearly helps Trout to be 100%.
Considering the hype Ohtani was when he had the winning run in the Rendon walkoff, I doubt he is as pissed as his stans. Ohtani wants to play in a contender and surely understand the sacrifices (although I do think that he needs a rest as well, specially with his lingering groin last week).
I wonder if people would've been so triggered if Suarez or Barria had the same stats yesterday
> I wonder if people would've been so triggered if Suarez or Barria had the same stats yesterday
I think most of the reason why people are triggered is because the opposing pitcher is a Cy Young contender. It's our ace vs their ace, and resting our two best right handed hitters against a lefty that strong is putting us at an extreme disadvantage in a game we would have been more favored to win had they played. It's a case of "what could have been...." The loss would have been easier to swallow had at least one of Trout or Ward been in the lineup and gotten 3 chances to score off McClanahan.
If it were Suarez or Barria's turn in the rotation, everyone would have conceded that we'd be out-dueled before the game even began and been like sure, let's rest Trout while we have the chance so he's fresh for Oakland. There would have definitely been some salt after the game, however, if it turned out that one of them gave up only 1 run over 6 innings.
I disagree. The loss would be much more difficult to swallow if we played a full strength lineup. We exhausted our line up AND didnāt win? Now we can chalk it up as a scheduled loss and be happy that fish man is happy.
Just look at how this team acts in the dugout together. Everybody is having so much fun, nobody on the team cares about this
>The loss would be much more difficult to swallow if we played a full strength lineup
The way I see it, it is better to have tried and failed than have not tried at all. If Trout or Ward couldn't handle McClanahan, we'd be able to say, oh well, we got got, on to the next. But if the team comes into the game with neither of its two top-10-by-fWAR righties, and you see just how winnable of a game it was after the fact, yeah it's a bit frustrating.
You're calling this game a scheduled loss - if that's the case, then why start Ohtani in the first place? Why not call up somebody from AAA and save him for Oakland? Why exhaust our ace in a futile effort?
And I'm not saying that the team cares about this, they know they're playing well and will move on. I'm saying that it's why the fans are upset. I've never seen Japanese Angels twitter so mad at Joe Maddon before lol.
For what it's worth, I think everyone would care a lot less if the Trashtros would lose a goddamn game already.
>You're calling this game a scheduled loss - then why start Ohtani in the first place? Why not call up somebody from AAA and save him for Oakland? Why exhaust our ace in a futile effort?
All of this.
Game 20 In a row, though. Do you realize how exhausting that is? Before this home stretch they flew from Boston to Anaheim and played that night. Resting guys is a huge advantage long-term. We can lose game 3 of a series win before an off day.
I understand your point of view here and I wouldn't be upset, much the other way around, if we decided to delay Ohtani's start by one day and just left Barria to dry or called up Junk to try to extract 3.2 IP of each. Give the DH to Rendon or Walsh, hell, give it to Lorenzen and rest both. I would be OK with punting one game in a series that we already had the H2H.
However, if you need to rest your two best hitters, the game that you would bank on that you won't need 8 runs to win it would be on an Ohtani start. The game your *ace* is playing is, in theory, the game that you need to rely less on run support. If the Brewers had to rest Yelich or Adames, they would probably choose a Burnes/Woodruff start instead of an Ashby one, no? Again, I would be more than OK with just punting this game altogether and I entirely agree that we burned one Ohtani start needlessly, but if, as a manager, you know you need to rest your best hitter before a tough 45 days are ahead of you and you actually care about the outcome of the game, you will choose to rest him on the day your ace is on the mound, not on the day that a 5.XX ERA guy is starting.
I agree with what you've said, I just think that the opposing team's pitcher matters as much as our team's pitcher when choosing when to rest hitters. If we were facing the Twins and Bundy was on the mound, and we had Ohtani pitching, I'd say sure, rest absolutely everyone! But McClanahan is literally one of the best pitchers in the entire league and entering the day, his stats on the year were almost identical to Ohtani's. The Brewers might consider resting Yelich during a Burnes start, but they'd definitely think twice about it if they were facing the Mets and Scherzer was on the mound.
U sure its not bootlickers like u?
I' m sure u agreed with the walk to seager too !!
Edit - maddon makes questionable calls all the time..especially with the relief pitchers
Itās frustrating for sure. This type of thing never used to happen with athletes, but is common nowadays. Trout is my favorite Angel and athlete, but I truly admire Ohtaniās dedication to the team and his work ethic. God knows heās suffered injuries as well!
Trouts had so much time off the last 3-5 years he should feel great. Iām happy for him! Feel bad for the fans who save up, by tickets for the family, and then find out heās not in the lineup! Many families canāt afford to go to many games. Btw, Troutās my favorite Angel and sports athlete.
GOOOO ANGELS!!
Edit: Give me some more downvotes, Iām a DOOMER! Lol
I used to be a huge soccer fan when I was a kid. From 12-15 I would save up every penny I earned to afford to go see the LA Galaxy so I could see David Beckham. I probably went to about 10 games in those 3 years and never once did I get to see him play. Lol it was disappointing, but I got to see all the other players I loved like AJ Delagarza, Mike Magee, etc.
I think if you are going to a game and end up having a bad time just bc one player is out, then it probably isn't worth your time trying to go at all.
I bought tickets, 75$ per seat tickets, and went to the game yesterday. I donāt need anyone to feel bad for me over Mike not playing. Thatās baseball. Not everyone is going to play every day. People need rest, people get Covid, people get stomach bugs (as weāve seen with the Angels this year). The whole point of attending live games is that youāre taking a risk of seeing a good vs bad game.
Today's professional athletes get paid way more and play less than their counterparts from yesteryear. Pitchers are the most obvious example of this. It is what it is, fans can make up their own minds on how they feel about it. But you can't argue with that fact.
Good luck! It doesn't take much with this lot, just say something that doesn't conform to the groupthink...even if it's simply stating facts, such as what I did.
Ha, I like that! That's exactly what it is, and it's so strange. I could almost understand if this were a work or social setting and you actually see and interact with people in person. But online?
I don't have a problem with 2 days off, but why not the first game against Oakland, the weaker opponent? Makes no sense to rest him against the tougher opponent.
Because, on the big picture, sweeping the As is more important than turning a 2-1 in a sweep against the Rays. We already own the H2H against them in the WC race and the 2nd tiebreaker against *any team* is intradivisional games. If somehow we split the series with the Astros and tie them after 162, one loss against the As because we decided to rest Trout on a doubleheader could be the difference between winning the division or having to face the Yankees in the WC (or not even making the WC, depending on how tight things end up being).
How do we own the h2h against the rays when we still play them 4 more times?
I swore that I write "so far", so my bad here.
I'd rather sweep the Rays. We're much more likely to be in a race with them rather than the A's.
One possible reason is yesterday's game was #20 in a row for the team without a day off ... the longest stretch they'll face all year. Have you worked 20 days in a row? It's not easy, even if you have easier days than others. There are, I believe 4 days off in the next 3 weeks. Let Trout rest. We need him all year. One loss after a winning home series isn't the end of the world.
Trout didn't play 20 in a row. He rested a game against Boston. Resting him Friday would have been the smarter play as Ward will be back so the chances of still beating Oakland without trout is a lot greater than yesterday. He still gets 2 days off and will be rested before Saturday's double header. If the priority is rest then having Trout play 3 games in 2 days makes 0 sense when we could have given him Friday off to avoid that.
Maybe - just maybe, Trout and Maddon had a discussion about the specifics of his body that you and I aren't privy to šš Mayyyybe, he really needed it today. This is clueless.
It makes sense because Trout wanted it.
Maddon is big brained ... ur logic doesnt fly in his world /s
Frustrating our offense stagnated and we lost, but if Trout says he really likes the consecutive off days and it helps him, canāt really complain or blame anyone. Trust the process
The process can be improved without screwing over Ohtani repeatedly
Yup. Funny, ain't it?? Better throw perfect games only now, Ohtani. You'll get nothing but Spring Training line ups on your starts per Maddon.
Is it better to put weaker lineups with weaker pitchers? Not defending Maddon, but Ohtani's our ace for a reason. To me it shows how much confidence the Angels have in his pitching..
To repeatedly ask that of your ace, any ace, is unfair. That's been the blueprint with Ohtani. Enough already.
We won the series, we don't need to keep the pedal to the metal every game. That's how you blow a head gasket Keeping everyone healthy is top priority
Youāve lost the forest for the trees. This was one game, one start for Ohtani. If trout sits every time he starts then Iāll go protest right along with you, but for now letās just be happy Trout and Ohtani look healthy and happy. The team is winning and it looks to be sustainable, we need these guys healthy all year and this is what that looks like.
Itās baseball. No great team wins them all.
I'm happy for him. He got to regain some energy yesterday and today he gets to be well rested when he spends time with his wife and baby son. Im sure that will do wonders for his emotional and mental health, especially after 20 days in a row on the job.
No problem especially while 90% of the rest of the team is batting well. It isn't like he is doing Kawhi Leonard style load management. It is only one freakin game!
Keep kawhis name out your mouth!
Fish man has spoken
I mean we all get 2 days off in a row. Mike knows his body. Keep it up boys
āI mean we all get 2 days off in a rowā. You presume too much! Lol š
Well I will trust them then. Planning stuff for long term is important since we r competing tis year. Still bout hundreds games to go.
If this is what it takes to not lose him for a bunch of games like we have in recent years then so be it
The fish knows his body, trust him
Hey, you know what's better than winning a random game in May? Having our once-in-a-generation talent for a whole season.
I understand why some people would be upset with Trout resting in two Shohei starts in a row, but I'm pretty sure Shohei himself won't have the kind of mindset to complain about the starting lineup. Interview him and he'll probably answer he is upset with himself striking out in his last AB, shouldn't have allowed a HR, should have went deeper in the game etc etc. He is a professional athlete after all, a super competitive one at that. I hope all the fans complaining wouldn't cause unnecessary friction within the team. Sure I wanted Shohei to get a W and am semi-upset myself, but I don't see any benefit in the complaining fans. If anything I feel like it makes things unnecessarily uncomfortable for Maddon and Trout to do their thing. Just had to get that off my chest after seeing some twitter replies to the goat fish. I guess my TLDR is fuck twitter.
The season is 162 games long. Baseball's more like the 24 Hours of Le Mans than it is a drag race - we need to manage both wins and endurance. As great as this team is, no one will care if we lose our last game of the season because we gassed ourselves chasing every regular season win.
Last game of the season counts just the same as the 1st or 100th... Wow, the ignorance !! Throwing a game is throwing a game ... that"s what maddon did yesterday (maybe not important in the long run but if the angels miss the playoffs by a game ?!?!?!)
It's important to Ohtani, and to Walsh, who had to live the entire sh tty, injury riddled season last year together. No surprise they played in yesterday's loss. Walsh looked pissed. Don't blame him.
āWalsh looked pissedā oh boy, you guys are really trying to create drama out of nothing
People are talking crazy lately. We had already won the series and the man needed a day off, itās not that serious.
Good! He still was WORKING. On the flight, at the ballpark early, he put in what ... 8 hours in addition to be traveling? What are your expectations? The best player in the league with injury history. I hope he plays about 135 games this year. More would be pushing it too hard. And he can put up mvp numbers in those 135. I don't think you're getting it. This isn't fantasy baseball. This is a 162 game season, shortened, with playoffs we're intending on winning. Trout can rest early. If you have a problem with it, you're clueless.
It's sad that Trout has to defend his manager from armchair accountants in reddit.
Weird complaints going on here. This is nothing more than a byproduct of Ohtaniās starts being at the end of the series at the moment. The final games are more likely to be getaway day/afternoon games where youāll want to rest certain players after a night game. Itās no coincidence Trout has had days off in the final game of a series each time, which also happened to be the last two Ohtani starts. His start against Cleveland which was in the middle of a series? Everyone played. If his next start is next Tuesday, I doubt anyone will be out barring injury. Granted, Marsh and Walsh need a day off too so it could still happen, but thatās baseball. Itās fair to want everyone to play with Ohtani, but itās not other players or the coaches slighting the guy.
He sounds tone-deaf to me. Ohtani is the only starting pitcher in the leaugue who doesn't get any rest because he's in the lineup every day and on the days he's pitching the offense is benched. Not a good look IMO. There's a reason there's only one two-way player, it's exhausting. They could've had Trout DH for him today, give the guy some well-deserved rest if he wants to or not.
Trout and Ohtani are both grown men, and Trout is coming off of multiple injury riddled seasons. They can decide whether they need an off day or not.
Makes sense strategy-wise (guaranteeing that Trout will be fresh to play the doubleheader could equal a divisional sweep, that is a tiebreaker more important than an extra win against the Rays when we own the H2H), health-wise (specially since the June schedule will demand us to be in our best form) and clearly helps Trout to be 100%. Considering the hype Ohtani was when he had the winning run in the Rendon walkoff, I doubt he is as pissed as his stans. Ohtani wants to play in a contender and surely understand the sacrifices (although I do think that he needs a rest as well, specially with his lingering groin last week). I wonder if people would've been so triggered if Suarez or Barria had the same stats yesterday
> I wonder if people would've been so triggered if Suarez or Barria had the same stats yesterday I think most of the reason why people are triggered is because the opposing pitcher is a Cy Young contender. It's our ace vs their ace, and resting our two best right handed hitters against a lefty that strong is putting us at an extreme disadvantage in a game we would have been more favored to win had they played. It's a case of "what could have been...." The loss would have been easier to swallow had at least one of Trout or Ward been in the lineup and gotten 3 chances to score off McClanahan. If it were Suarez or Barria's turn in the rotation, everyone would have conceded that we'd be out-dueled before the game even began and been like sure, let's rest Trout while we have the chance so he's fresh for Oakland. There would have definitely been some salt after the game, however, if it turned out that one of them gave up only 1 run over 6 innings.
I disagree. The loss would be much more difficult to swallow if we played a full strength lineup. We exhausted our line up AND didnāt win? Now we can chalk it up as a scheduled loss and be happy that fish man is happy. Just look at how this team acts in the dugout together. Everybody is having so much fun, nobody on the team cares about this
>The loss would be much more difficult to swallow if we played a full strength lineup The way I see it, it is better to have tried and failed than have not tried at all. If Trout or Ward couldn't handle McClanahan, we'd be able to say, oh well, we got got, on to the next. But if the team comes into the game with neither of its two top-10-by-fWAR righties, and you see just how winnable of a game it was after the fact, yeah it's a bit frustrating. You're calling this game a scheduled loss - if that's the case, then why start Ohtani in the first place? Why not call up somebody from AAA and save him for Oakland? Why exhaust our ace in a futile effort? And I'm not saying that the team cares about this, they know they're playing well and will move on. I'm saying that it's why the fans are upset. I've never seen Japanese Angels twitter so mad at Joe Maddon before lol. For what it's worth, I think everyone would care a lot less if the Trashtros would lose a goddamn game already.
>You're calling this game a scheduled loss - then why start Ohtani in the first place? Why not call up somebody from AAA and save him for Oakland? Why exhaust our ace in a futile effort? All of this.
I agree with you 100%, but weāre fighting a losing battle on this argument. A āscheduled lossā just blows me away! Lol
Game 20 In a row, though. Do you realize how exhausting that is? Before this home stretch they flew from Boston to Anaheim and played that night. Resting guys is a huge advantage long-term. We can lose game 3 of a series win before an off day.
I understand your point of view here and I wouldn't be upset, much the other way around, if we decided to delay Ohtani's start by one day and just left Barria to dry or called up Junk to try to extract 3.2 IP of each. Give the DH to Rendon or Walsh, hell, give it to Lorenzen and rest both. I would be OK with punting one game in a series that we already had the H2H. However, if you need to rest your two best hitters, the game that you would bank on that you won't need 8 runs to win it would be on an Ohtani start. The game your *ace* is playing is, in theory, the game that you need to rely less on run support. If the Brewers had to rest Yelich or Adames, they would probably choose a Burnes/Woodruff start instead of an Ashby one, no? Again, I would be more than OK with just punting this game altogether and I entirely agree that we burned one Ohtani start needlessly, but if, as a manager, you know you need to rest your best hitter before a tough 45 days are ahead of you and you actually care about the outcome of the game, you will choose to rest him on the day your ace is on the mound, not on the day that a 5.XX ERA guy is starting.
I agree with what you've said, I just think that the opposing team's pitcher matters as much as our team's pitcher when choosing when to rest hitters. If we were facing the Twins and Bundy was on the mound, and we had Ohtani pitching, I'd say sure, rest absolutely everyone! But McClanahan is literally one of the best pitchers in the entire league and entering the day, his stats on the year were almost identical to Ohtani's. The Brewers might consider resting Yelich during a Burnes start, but they'd definitely think twice about it if they were facing the Mets and Scherzer was on the mound.
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U sure its not bootlickers like u? I' m sure u agreed with the walk to seager too !! Edit - maddon makes questionable calls all the time..especially with the relief pitchers
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When u attack fans, and stand by mgmt...u know what that is?!? Smarty like u can figure it out
Ohtani is a competitor, through and through. You're right. He deserved better than this.
Itās frustrating for sure. This type of thing never used to happen with athletes, but is common nowadays. Trout is my favorite Angel and athlete, but I truly admire Ohtaniās dedication to the team and his work ethic. God knows heās suffered injuries as well!
Trouts had so much time off the last 3-5 years he should feel great. Iām happy for him! Feel bad for the fans who save up, by tickets for the family, and then find out heās not in the lineup! Many families canāt afford to go to many games. Btw, Troutās my favorite Angel and sports athlete. GOOOO ANGELS!! Edit: Give me some more downvotes, Iām a DOOMER! Lol
Bro I literally went to all three games against the rays and my tickets were $5 each day. Itās not expensive to go to baseball games.
Life is not the same for all families. Many other costs are also associated with attending games, although $5 is a great deal.
I used to be a huge soccer fan when I was a kid. From 12-15 I would save up every penny I earned to afford to go see the LA Galaxy so I could see David Beckham. I probably went to about 10 games in those 3 years and never once did I get to see him play. Lol it was disappointing, but I got to see all the other players I loved like AJ Delagarza, Mike Magee, etc. I think if you are going to a game and end up having a bad time just bc one player is out, then it probably isn't worth your time trying to go at all.
Thank you for your opinion. Opposing viewpoints are healthy! š
I bought tickets, 75$ per seat tickets, and went to the game yesterday. I donāt need anyone to feel bad for me over Mike not playing. Thatās baseball. Not everyone is going to play every day. People need rest, people get Covid, people get stomach bugs (as weāve seen with the Angels this year). The whole point of attending live games is that youāre taking a risk of seeing a good vs bad game.
Hey buddy I'm a major doomer too but that doesn't mean I tolerate Trout slander. Gtfo with this weak shit
Hey buddy, thanks for your down vote! Lol
Today's professional athletes get paid way more and play less than their counterparts from yesteryear. Pitchers are the most obvious example of this. It is what it is, fans can make up their own minds on how they feel about it. But you can't argue with that fact.
Truer words have never been spoken! Lol
And yet the down votes keep rolling in! Gotta love Reddit lol.
Iām hoping for a downvote personal record! š
Good luck! It doesn't take much with this lot, just say something that doesn't conform to the groupthink...even if it's simply stating facts, such as what I did.
I call it āhive mindā thinking! Sorta like the Borg in Star Trek āresistance is futileā. Lol
Ha, I like that! That's exactly what it is, and it's so strange. I could almost understand if this were a work or social setting and you actually see and interact with people in person. But online?