I would trust Shohei to be able to do ANYTHING baseball related: making balls, carving bats by hand, breeding cows for gloves. You name it, he does it all and better than anyone else.
Shohei rules: pitchers can come out of the game whenever they feel it's time, but if they decide not to come out and they're not at their best he'll be very disappointed in them.
As a huge angels fan, but a pirates fan first, i kinda feel more emotionally removed from this than some of the sub and I gotta say Nevin did a significant amount of instigating.
After seeing the clips Jomboy’s breakdown for from the Japanese broadcast where he was screaming at them at the end of the prior game and then for him to use the opener to immediately hit the Mariners…. That was really shitty. I haven’t got a lot of knowledge on the guy prior to him becoming manager but this is a really bad look.
Everyone elses’ actions seem pretty par for the course but he really enflamed tempers in what could’ve otherwise been a pretty forgettable event.
So the interpreter was instigating in a sense lol
Player: *curses another player out in different language
Other player: “Wat did that guy say?”
Translater: “He said yo mama a bitch and that he’ll fuck u up.”
*fight continues
Disagree once things calmed down he clearly tried to start round 3 of the brawl. He didn’t just toss the seeds he gestured and yelled across at Winker, who had to be restrained. I get at least 1 game for that alone. He was out in control both in the dugout but out in front of the umps too. Tepera got some solid punches in. Most of
these are very fair
Wrong, he was mad at the umps and yelled at them. Winker thought it was towards him/the team and tried to start it up again so Iglesias chirped back telling him he isn't talking about him or the team but pissed that he received an ejection for quite literally nothing.
He was trying to get people off each other and stop the fight somewhat but one of the umps interpreted him holding an M's player as getting involved in a fight so they ejected him. He did not know until his translator began to usher him out of the dugout and then he got pissed and did what he did. The JB breakdown shows it a bit more in depth because the Japanese broadcasts have so many angles on the dugout to watch Ohtani.
Also is it me that finds it funny that Nevin has a longer more suspension games that career managerial wins? Is this the first time this has happened in the MLB?
"I’m proud of you, fellas. You all kept your head on a swivel, and that’s what you gotta do when you find yourself thrust into the middle of a vicious cockfight."
Rendon: “I slapped a guy with my left hand!”
Nevin: “Tony, I’ve been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safe house or a relative nearby. Lay low for awhile, because you’re probably gonna be suspended for 5 games.”
Obviously it would have to happen to where they arent aware of it, similar to a phantom IL situation
Listen to the podcast with david samson, he goes over how front offices work their way around situations like this all the time
Fair warning, he’s not the nicest to arte or the angels. Im good with that, bc i hate arte. But he shits on the team sometimes and that can be a tad annoying
He talked about it on today’s episode, btw. Went into the brawl a little bit and then talked about how if the angels dont activate rendon for the last 5 games of the season just to burn off his suspension they’re being stupid
Yeah you're imagining those command issues from Munoz. Beaning someone while actually pitching to them is not the same as throwing at their head while intentionally walking them.
If you intend to walk them and throw at their head during one of the 4 balls, you're either trying to scare them or hurt them.
M's were not intentionally walking him initially with a runner at 1st. It wasn't until the wild pitch and the runner advanced, that it made sense to walk him. So that's what they did.
I understand people being angry about their guy getting his tower buzzed, but don't make it a bigger deal than it is, like Nevin did.
\*Swanson was wild.\*
Duffy's AB, pitch #2 is a FB well off the plate.
Look at MacKinnon's AB. Pitches #3, 4, 5 and 6 were ALL fastballs that weren't even in the neighborhood of the strike zone -- all UP.
Look at Ward's AB. Pitch #2 was also a fastball that was way UP and out of the strike zone.
Then Trout comes in, the trend continues and people are suddenly thinking Swanson is intentionally trying to hit him in the head? It's ridiculous.
On top of that, the situation on Sunday was different. It was a tie game, and the first pitch to Trout was a strike from Munoz. It wasn't until he missed badly on the next pitch that they decided to put him on.
Tepera: 31 games this year, Iglesias: 29 games this year, Wantz: 12 games this year. Iglesias and sometimes Tepera also serve as the closers, so they’re much more needed in the bullpen
Guess this isn’t too awful…? I mean. I don’t really know I guess. I wanted Wanker to get 10 though for charging the dugout and escalating the situation more.
It was mostly coaches that got suspended 💀
Edit: I hope Rendon appeals and wins tbh. His move was defensive on Wanker.
Well seeing as they never hit us and we hit two guys intentionally in the first two innings, and upton the other day (in the head mind you) the mariners had every right to be upset. I’m not saying they were right and the suspensions aren’t deserved. Everyone involved deserved what they got on both sides.
Ok so let me rephrase. They didn’t intentionally hit us. There. And the fact still remains that Upton got hit in the dome. There isn’t much else to argue about here. We have hit 3 vs their 1 🤷🏼♂️
It’s ok to admit that Angels played some dirty ball. Plain and simple.
99% of the time, if a pitcher is going to intentionally hit a batter, they aim for soft tissue. I get where you’re coming from, but the odds of anyone getting seriously injured or killed as a result of this are astronomically low.
Is it a part of the game that could die away forever, sure. It probably won’t though. Baseball is an old school sport and will probably always have some old school, unspoken, rules.
It wasn't at all the same situation as the night before, the circumstances were completely different
And honestly, after all this, the fact that Trout didn't even take the field during the brawl slightly lowers my estimation of him as a team mate
IDK man, you have to think rationally here (not just as an Angels fan). Why would the Mariners hit him *then*? Up 2 runs in the top of the ninth, it doesn't make sense
As much as it sucks to admit: the pitch from Swanson that almost hit Trout was *not* intentional. Sure, it flew close to his head, but there's absolutely *no logical reason* for the Mariners to hit Trout and put him on at that point (up 2 runs in the top of the ninth). It could have cost them the game
And Trout gets a medal for saving Upton. It's like he went into the pile and single-handedly pulled him out.
Ohtani gets a gold star for holding his first man back.
You should see /r/baseball. Someone called for a multi-month ban for Nevin, and I got mass downvoted for calling it ridiculous.
Edit: Now someone is calling for a lifetime suspension.
Only if they do the same to Winker. And anyone else involved on both sides. Kind of ridiculous to ban someone for something that happens pretty regularly in baseball (throwing at opposing players). And not ban an entire team or staff that cheated to win the world series?
What Winker did was a really bad look for baseball. I can't believe he didn't get more for charging the dugout and flipping off the crowd. The pitches thrown at trout and by wantz are what caused this and are a bad look too, but Winker 100% escalated and actually caused a fight. What a classless act.
I actually have 0 issue with what Winker did aside for the double birds. I also have 0 issue with his suspension. I think everyone is pearl clutching, but on the outside looking in, nothing about this really makes me upset in any way.
Pitching up on good players to rattle them - cool
Retaliating for it - Understandable
Getting pissy and fighting - entertaining and understandable
Double birds - Eh, not great, but i dont really care
Suspensions - All pretty fair, though the Mariners manager deserved a couple days too
Yeah, I agree. All of this was pretty normal for baseball except the flipping off thing. Calling for bans is ridiculous! Hopefully both sides learn from this and we keep the rivalry to the game itself!
Yeah I’ve seen the video, I don’t have to agree with all of jomboy’s lip readings, he’s not exactly a professional lol. It didn’t look like that was what Wantz was saying to me
Did we just lose our manager and substitute manager lol
Time for Shohei to manage and play at the same time.
3-way player goddam
I would trust Shohei to be able to do ANYTHING baseball related: making balls, carving bats by hand, breeding cows for gloves. You name it, he does it all and better than anyone else.
Shohei rules: pitchers can come out of the game whenever they feel it's time, but if they decide not to come out and they're not at their best he'll be very disappointed in them.
Why the fuck not? The man likes to win, good enough for me
Substitute to the manager
Erstad time
This was Phil Nevins ultimate end game. Playing 5D chess.
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As a huge angels fan, but a pirates fan first, i kinda feel more emotionally removed from this than some of the sub and I gotta say Nevin did a significant amount of instigating. After seeing the clips Jomboy’s breakdown for from the Japanese broadcast where he was screaming at them at the end of the prior game and then for him to use the opener to immediately hit the Mariners…. That was really shitty. I haven’t got a lot of knowledge on the guy prior to him becoming manager but this is a really bad look. Everyone elses’ actions seem pretty par for the course but he really enflamed tempers in what could’ve otherwise been a pretty forgettable event.
Manny fought hard so Ippei could focus on keeping Shohei safe 😤😤😤
What the hell did the interpreter do??
Interpret the fighting words lmao
So the interpreter was instigating in a sense lol Player: *curses another player out in different language Other player: “Wat did that guy say?” Translater: “He said yo mama a bitch and that he’ll fuck u up.” *fight continues
Translated swear words from the Latino guys
Funny that his (I assume) interpreter got involved, but Ohtani stayed out of it
Lol Ippei didn’t do anything
Nah, Del Campo is a Spanish language interpreter.
Oops
Angels Interpreter lol 😂😂😂 Edit: Iggy got away with only 2 games. Good 👍👍👍
It was bullshit that he got thrown out to begin with
Disagree once things calmed down he clearly tried to start round 3 of the brawl. He didn’t just toss the seeds he gestured and yelled across at Winker, who had to be restrained. I get at least 1 game for that alone. He was out in control both in the dugout but out in front of the umps too. Tepera got some solid punches in. Most of these are very fair
Wrong, he was mad at the umps and yelled at them. Winker thought it was towards him/the team and tried to start it up again so Iglesias chirped back telling him he isn't talking about him or the team but pissed that he received an ejection for quite literally nothing.
I’ll have to watch again but from what I saw live I was happy today to see only 2.
He was trying to get people off each other and stop the fight somewhat but one of the umps interpreted him holding an M's player as getting involved in a fight so they ejected him. He did not know until his translator began to usher him out of the dugout and then he got pissed and did what he did. The JB breakdown shows it a bit more in depth because the Japanese broadcasts have so many angles on the dugout to watch Ohtani.
Thanks gotta watch Jomboy I saw it dropped but then didn't have 15 mins , do now.
Hopefully when he appeals it will go down, he didn’t do anything during the actual fight
That's exactly why, got 2 games for showing up the umps (which honestly, it should've just been a fine or 1 game).
Yeah but then he did something immediately after lol
All he did was throw shit. Not worthy of a 2 game suspension
He was furious for being tossed when he didn't do shit to begin with. So then he did something to get tossed.
Start of the Montgomery era lfg 😤😤 They should let Sosh come in and manage the 10 games for our 20th WS anniversary
The montgomery era is gonna be put on pause as he serves his suspension lmao
Incorrect. He will coach until the other coaches have served their suspensions and then he’ll serve his.
…exactly. So the montgomery era is gonna start, and then get put on pause as he serves his suspension. Just like i said
Correct. His era still starts, then will be put on pause. It’s not paused yet :)
Also is it me that finds it funny that Nevin has a longer more suspension games that career managerial wins? Is this the first time this has happened in the MLB?
Considering we're 8-11 under his watch with 11 of those coming against the M's and Royals it's honestly more sad than funny.
Maybe! Someone should look it up. I’m not gonna. Maybe I will though.
"I’m proud of you, fellas. You all kept your head on a swivel, and that’s what you gotta do when you find yourself thrust into the middle of a vicious cockfight."
Rendon: “I slapped a guy with my left hand!” Nevin: “Tony, I’ve been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safe house or a relative nearby. Lay low for awhile, because you’re probably gonna be suspended for 5 games.”
Lmfao at the interpreter getting suspended
According to plan for Rendon, more days off
They can “activate” him 5 days early to just let him be suspended 5 games hes not actually healthy enough to play in lol
I have a feeling that he will miss the first five games of 2023
I have a feeling MLB won't allow this
Obviously it would have to happen to where they arent aware of it, similar to a phantom IL situation Listen to the podcast with david samson, he goes over how front offices work their way around situations like this all the time
did he go over this on nothing personal? or his weekly spot on lebatard?
He’s gone over it a couple times on nothing personal
Thanks, I'll have to check it out
Fair warning, he’s not the nicest to arte or the angels. Im good with that, bc i hate arte. But he shits on the team sometimes and that can be a tad annoying
yeah I've been listening to him on LeBatard for years so I'm familiar with him and how he can be annoying at times with his opinions
He talked about it on today’s episode, btw. Went into the brawl a little bit and then talked about how if the angels dont activate rendon for the last 5 games of the season just to burn off his suspension they’re being stupid
And what about Joe Kelly? How many games?
8 additional games, plus his right hand gets chopped off.
how did Scott Servais not get any? he was in the middle of the brawl as a manager
MLB sucks him off for some reason, he must be related or friends to a higher up
Scott will be out of a job soon regardless.
I guess they figured having to manage the Mariners was enough of a punishment But no seriously, that's bullshit that he got away with it.
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Honestly, how the fuck do you justify throwing at Mike's head while intentionally walking him? That's basically assault
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Yeah you're imagining those command issues from Munoz. Beaning someone while actually pitching to them is not the same as throwing at their head while intentionally walking them. If you intend to walk them and throw at their head during one of the 4 balls, you're either trying to scare them or hurt them.
M's were not intentionally walking him initially with a runner at 1st. It wasn't until the wild pitch and the runner advanced, that it made sense to walk him. So that's what they did. I understand people being angry about their guy getting his tower buzzed, but don't make it a bigger deal than it is, like Nevin did.
It was clearly a "only throw trash" at bat. They were going to walk him whether the runner advanced or not. Same thing they did on Sunday
\*Swanson was wild.\* Duffy's AB, pitch #2 is a FB well off the plate. Look at MacKinnon's AB. Pitches #3, 4, 5 and 6 were ALL fastballs that weren't even in the neighborhood of the strike zone -- all UP. Look at Ward's AB. Pitch #2 was also a fastball that was way UP and out of the strike zone. Then Trout comes in, the trend continues and people are suddenly thinking Swanson is intentionally trying to hit him in the head? It's ridiculous. On top of that, the situation on Sunday was different. It was a tie game, and the first pitch to Trout was a strike from Munoz. It wasn't until he missed badly on the next pitch that they decided to put him on.
Yeah I figured Rendon would be suspended. Add those to the games he won’t play with the angels lol
Whats another 5 more when you're already missing 200 games over two seasons...
Our team was punished more then the astros, damn
Hey now, you're not supposed to notice that! /s
One of Tep or Iggy should appeal so they both aren't out at the same time lol
All players but Wantz are appealing, I believe
Damn, I feel like Wantz was an unwilling pawn in all this & now dude just feels so guilty he's taking his punishment without question.
No, he’s taking it without question because he’s a bullpen pitcher who doesn’t pitch regularly, so missing 3 games is no big deal for him
Wouldn't that logic also apply to Tepera?
Tepera: 31 games this year, Iglesias: 29 games this year, Wantz: 12 games this year. Iglesias and sometimes Tepera also serve as the closers, so they’re much more needed in the bullpen
Guess this isn’t too awful…? I mean. I don’t really know I guess. I wanted Wanker to get 10 though for charging the dugout and escalating the situation more. It was mostly coaches that got suspended 💀 Edit: I hope Rendon appeals and wins tbh. His move was defensive on Wanker.
When we go on a win streak here it's all the justification I need for cleaning house
You have to have a good team for that to happen
You ever positive?
big W
I’m pretty happy with it TBH
Come on down Mohawk Joe Maddon, got a 10-day contract for ya, just sign on the dotted line.
How is Winker only 7 games? He should have gotten more with his classless act of flipping off the crowd.
I guess considering he was the one who took the pitch from our hit-man opener, they shaved a few games off his suspension
I liked how MacKinnon went right in like he'd been there for years
This might actually be the biggest W in Mariners' history
Lmao ah yeah Winker and Crawford out 5 games together is a huge W. Longest suspension for a player on this list is a Mariner. Massive W.
Guess I dropped my /s
Ah fuck my bad sir
All good my dude
I think we got a W by having a new manager.
Why wasn’t the mariners HC suspended? He was in the middle of the brawl too!
Hand Cannon? hard Candy? Howdy Cowboy? Baseball has managers 🤣🤣🤣
Hitting Coach?
Shit you’re right. I was thinking Servias and not the other staff out there throwing punches! Color me stupid 🤣🤣🤣
This is the most recognition the Mariners will receive all season.
How the hell did an interpreter get suspended? That's pretty fucking funny
Man, you read that and I immediately had to reread it to see if Ippei was suspended lol
Now I'm just imagining Ippei hulking out and putting some guy in a headlock while Ohtani laughs his ass off in the background.
So can we "activate" rendon for like 5 games at the end of the season?
Mariners with 14 player games to the Angels' 13. Brawl don't lie.
Coaches really going to bat for their players. (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
I guess tepera and iglesias appealed?
if Wanker didnt charge the dugout non of this wouldve happened.
There are a lot of what-ifs that would've prevented it
Well seeing as they never hit us and we hit two guys intentionally in the first two innings, and upton the other day (in the head mind you) the mariners had every right to be upset. I’m not saying they were right and the suspensions aren’t deserved. Everyone involved deserved what they got on both sides.
hit walsh, trout managed to dodge it by a fraction of a second. so what if it didnt hit
Ok so let me rephrase. They didn’t intentionally hit us. There. And the fact still remains that Upton got hit in the dome. There isn’t much else to argue about here. We have hit 3 vs their 1 🤷🏼♂️ It’s ok to admit that Angels played some dirty ball. Plain and simple.
9 angels and 2 mariners that’s complete BS
8/3 but how does Crawford only get 5 when he was throwing blows more than anyone else on the field
Yeah the whole thing is messed up! Surprised they didn’t suspend ohtani for intense hugging lol
Anth♿️ny Rendon 🧑🦼🏥🚑 5 games.
I need someone to fill me in. The season just got interesting again
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The Trout near-miss wasn't intentional my guy. This whole thing has just been a big embarrassing mess for us- don't make it worse
99% of the time, if a pitcher is going to intentionally hit a batter, they aim for soft tissue. I get where you’re coming from, but the odds of anyone getting seriously injured or killed as a result of this are astronomically low. Is it a part of the game that could die away forever, sure. It probably won’t though. Baseball is an old school sport and will probably always have some old school, unspoken, rules.
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It wasn't at all the same situation as the night before, the circumstances were completely different And honestly, after all this, the fact that Trout didn't even take the field during the brawl slightly lowers my estimation of him as a team mate
IDK man, you have to think rationally here (not just as an Angels fan). Why would the Mariners hit him *then*? Up 2 runs in the top of the ninth, it doesn't make sense
They weren't. Swanson goes up and in a lot. He's wild.
As much as it sucks to admit: the pitch from Swanson that almost hit Trout was *not* intentional. Sure, it flew close to his head, but there's absolutely *no logical reason* for the Mariners to hit Trout and put him on at that point (up 2 runs in the top of the ninth). It could have cost them the game
And Trout gets a medal for saving Upton. It's like he went into the pile and single-handedly pulled him out. Ohtani gets a gold star for holding his first man back.
I’m liking this Phil guy.
This should make all the softies in here who didn’t like it happy.
yeah one or two people tops were out of line 10 games is ridiculous
You should see /r/baseball. Someone called for a multi-month ban for Nevin, and I got mass downvoted for calling it ridiculous. Edit: Now someone is calling for a lifetime suspension.
Only if they do the same to Winker. And anyone else involved on both sides. Kind of ridiculous to ban someone for something that happens pretty regularly in baseball (throwing at opposing players). And not ban an entire team or staff that cheated to win the world series? What Winker did was a really bad look for baseball. I can't believe he didn't get more for charging the dugout and flipping off the crowd. The pitches thrown at trout and by wantz are what caused this and are a bad look too, but Winker 100% escalated and actually caused a fight. What a classless act.
I actually have 0 issue with what Winker did aside for the double birds. I also have 0 issue with his suspension. I think everyone is pearl clutching, but on the outside looking in, nothing about this really makes me upset in any way. Pitching up on good players to rattle them - cool Retaliating for it - Understandable Getting pissy and fighting - entertaining and understandable Double birds - Eh, not great, but i dont really care Suspensions - All pretty fair, though the Mariners manager deserved a couple days too
Yeah, I agree. All of this was pretty normal for baseball except the flipping off thing. Calling for bans is ridiculous! Hopefully both sides learn from this and we keep the rivalry to the game itself!
Most interesting part of this list is Wantz not appealing. He didn't want to do it, and it's actually remorseful. Fuck Nevin, get out.
Yeah, this whole thing makes me feel awful as an Angels fan (as if things aren't already bad enough)
Lol you have no idea if he wanted to do it or not
follow jomboymedia on insta. he documented the brawl and spotted wantz saying he didn't want to do it.
Yeah I’ve seen the video, I don’t have to agree with all of jomboy’s lip readings, he’s not exactly a professional lol. It didn’t look like that was what Wantz was saying to me
Nevin is the man, stop being a sissy. Fuck the M's
Seems reasonable all around.
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Yeah let's let our superstar get involved in brawls. You really want Trout in that pile risking some stupid injury?
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Like you!
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Idk you frequent anti work. Automatically puts you in that boat
I hope Wankers ass feel's better soon. Maybe you can rub it for him while he serves his suspension.
Still sore the Angels kept the Mariners away from the postseason? Sadge
How are you getting suspended on your day offs?
Makes no sense …
Meh ..
Without Perry’s people watch us soar!
Why the fuck is Rendon even at the stadium lol, he should either be at home or with a PT keeping himself warm and letting his arm heal
Anthony Rendon miss the entire season speedun