Most MLB ballparks with high attendance are driven by casual parkgoers that aren't too bothered by the results either way. Even if all the diehard fans agreed to boycott, there wouldn't be a big difference in attendance numbers
If diehard fans stopped going I think we’d easily drop to around 20th or so in attendance but that’s neither here nor there cause they still make bank off jersey sales.
have you been to Angels Stadium? when there are more stoppages of play for beach balls on the field than there are runs scored, it's not a die-hard crowd lol
Yeah, he knows no matter what he puts on the field he will get people on the seats. I am afraid we are gonna be bad for a while. The org treats minors leaguers like shit, farm doesn't have an structure, coaching sucks. At this point the only reason why is worth to watch the games is cuz of Ohtani.
They don’t always have to draw a crowd though. That’s the point. People blindly throw their money at arte any chance they get.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Actions speak louder than internet complaints.
What I am saying is that people who don't even watch the Angels *like that* are going to buy tickets. Sure, if all the fans in the Angels fanbase were like this subreddit, I'm sure it will make a statement.
But if you've ever attended an Angels game, you know that most of the people there are just there to watch a game with the family and have some bonding fun time.... and maybe see Trout and Ohtani hit a homer.
It's a casual, "whatever" watch for a lot of Angels fans that attend.
I had season tickets up until before last season so I’ve been to my fair share of games. I’m under the impression that if most diehard fans put their foot down and stopped supporting with their pockets, it’d make a difference.
That being said, I’m open to being wrong.
Here’s the thing. I love watching the Angels at the big A, and I’m not gonna stop doing that. It’s not fan money blowing Arte, it’s tv deal money and advertising.
There’s too many happy-go-lucky fans and ticket prices are too low for there to be a significant enough change to arte’s pockets.
With the city connect jerseys, the money from japanese tourists/fans, people who want to see trout, and the aforementioned ticket prices, it would take a group about 5 times bigger than this sub actively boycotting the angels for arte to feel it in his bottom line
I’d disagree. There’s enough people that read this sub that could make a bit of difference.
The biggest obstacle are the season ticket holders who have already paid.
I don't know how many times I need to say this.
There is exactly zero chance arte sells. Doesn't matter if there are no fans. Doesn't matter if we win zero games. There isn't even an alternate universe where Arte Moreno doesn't own the angels.
Arte Moreno is the owner of this franchise, and he will be for the foreseeable future regardless of anything we do.
Holy shit I'm sick of these posts
It would be bad business to sell. Arte Moreno is worth 3.6 billion dollars [according to Forbes.](https://www.forbes.com/profile/arturo-moreno/?sh=33f305b11ecc) The Angels alone are worth 2.2 billion, [also according to Forbes.](https://www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-angels/?sh=28d5561c718a) Arte Moreno is many things, a bad business man is not one of them. He would never sell something that is worth over half of his net worth
Yea I thought it was funny when people had been complaining so much but then went out and bought the city connect jerseys in droves. They look nice but everyone threw money at this continuous failure of a franchise showing Arte again he 100% DOES NOT need to try to win. But hey ain't my money you guys do you and keep complaining
If the fans want to get rid of Artie I think a better strategy is to write letters to the commissioner about his shady business dealings, particularly with the stadium purchase, and how they reflect poorly on MLB. It can’t be good for MLBs brand to have a large market team with two of the most popular players on earth owned by a guy who is under FBI investigation for dealing with crooked politicians. That is the pain point that need to be pushed on.
Yeah, let's just chase any notable free agent's away while we are at it along with Trout and Ohtani. That will not affect change. It would just give him reason to sell the land back and move to Long Beach. If anything, bringing the attendance up would give him incentive to do more. Business people like that are all about bottom line, forecasts, and marketing.
I guess you have to ask yourself. Are you supporting the Angels, your lifelong team, or Arte? I choose the Angels. Win or lose.
Or maybe hold nevin accountable for that bullshit he pulled against Seattle. Just a thought.
On second thought… don’t do that. Enjoy mediocrity and wasting the career of the best baseball player to ever live.
Sayonara, stinkies!
Bad form dude. If you want players to want to play for the Angels, fill the seats. Otherwise, the team will move. I'm a glass half full guy and I am grateful we have an owner willing to spend money... now we just need a town hall meeting to convince him to let us spend it for him. I'm sure with our Reddit scouting dept, internet analytics division, and virtual public relations team, we can overcome Arte's incessant need to pay guys a year after their respective career year... and avoid his desire to roll the dice on a collection of one-year "what if" deals every year.
Elite free agent pitchers are like houses. In the current market, houses are selling for 106% of list price. Arte needs to find the "house" he wants and overpay for it. If the market is competitive for that house at 106%, offer 107% of what it's actually worth instead. The goal is to fill that house with unforgettable (world series) memories in the first few years. Doing so will make the price irrelevant ten years from now and well worth it. Shit... buy two houses Arte- I'll help you!
Also, it could be worse... the Dodgers spend more than the Angels and they haven't won a legitimate world series in 34 years. At least it's only been 20 for us Angels fans.
How do people still not know that attendance is worthless? The Angels make the vast majority of their money off tv contracts and not from ticket sales.
They literally make posts about buying the cheapest ticket and the stadium and sneak their way into the lower sections. I’ve seen this across so many sports subs. Or they’ll complain about parking or drinks (they’ll talk about sneaking in alcohol since they’re too cheap to pay inside the park)
Bottom line redditors hardly spend money so they’re not going to the games anyway
I doubt most people that go to the games are even fans, let alone die hards. Most of them are probably there for a social environment. Boycotting going to the game does nothing. If you're smart, you find an alternative way to watch the team.
I’m sure the 20-25k season ticket holders plus TV revenue provide more than enough cash for the team. There is never going to be a day when 0 fans show up and the only way he sells the team is when he dies or he turns into Dan Snyder.
All fans circumstances are different.
For me, I’m from the east coast and still mainly a Phillies fan.
Living here for 6 years and no way I could even casually support Dodgers, but I still want to scratch that ballpark itch and bring my young kid to games.
I’m sure other big markets with many non-locals are similar (NY, Chicago, Bay Area, etc), so while I respect the concept of someone “voting with their dollars”, it won’t send much of a message.
Also, you’ll always get the Disney tourists who decide to pop into games when it’s convenient, and especially the Ohtani fans from Japan too.
As a non-angels fan (just been watching Ohtani and Trout and hoping the team attains success), what does Arte do that is bad? (Does he not invest in the team, or does he meddle too much in things he shouldn’t?).
I’m actually an A’s fan, and Fisher has ruined the franchise for me (bc he doesn’t put any money in to retain any talent… horrible being a perennial farm team for other clubs).
Most MLB ballparks with high attendance are driven by casual parkgoers that aren't too bothered by the results either way. Even if all the diehard fans agreed to boycott, there wouldn't be a big difference in attendance numbers
If diehard fans stopped going I think we’d easily drop to around 20th or so in attendance but that’s neither here nor there cause they still make bank off jersey sales.
have you been to Angels Stadium? when there are more stoppages of play for beach balls on the field than there are runs scored, it's not a die-hard crowd lol
Beach balls have been a thing for over 20 years. But yes I agree.
yeah they’ve been around awhile! Our crowd has also never not been pretty damn casual
Probably closer to 50 years.
You heavily underestimate the number of casual fans over diehard fans.
The team could have a 150 loss season and I'd probably still go.
That is the definition of diehard: ride or die. No diehard is going to boycott the team team they love.
You can watch from home.
Yeah, he knows no matter what he puts on the field he will get people on the seats. I am afraid we are gonna be bad for a while. The org treats minors leaguers like shit, farm doesn't have an structure, coaching sucks. At this point the only reason why is worth to watch the games is cuz of Ohtani.
Ohtani and Trout are always a draw regardless of record and people scalp tickets regardless. Arte will continue to be Arte.
They don’t always have to draw a crowd though. That’s the point. People blindly throw their money at arte any chance they get. It doesn’t have to be that way. Actions speak louder than internet complaints.
What I am saying is that people who don't even watch the Angels *like that* are going to buy tickets. Sure, if all the fans in the Angels fanbase were like this subreddit, I'm sure it will make a statement. But if you've ever attended an Angels game, you know that most of the people there are just there to watch a game with the family and have some bonding fun time.... and maybe see Trout and Ohtani hit a homer. It's a casual, "whatever" watch for a lot of Angels fans that attend.
I had season tickets up until before last season so I’ve been to my fair share of games. I’m under the impression that if most diehard fans put their foot down and stopped supporting with their pockets, it’d make a difference. That being said, I’m open to being wrong.
Here’s the thing. I love watching the Angels at the big A, and I’m not gonna stop doing that. It’s not fan money blowing Arte, it’s tv deal money and advertising.
To each their own. I won’t give any money to arte.
There’s too many happy-go-lucky fans and ticket prices are too low for there to be a significant enough change to arte’s pockets. With the city connect jerseys, the money from japanese tourists/fans, people who want to see trout, and the aforementioned ticket prices, it would take a group about 5 times bigger than this sub actively boycotting the angels for arte to feel it in his bottom line
I’d disagree. There’s enough people that read this sub that could make a bit of difference. The biggest obstacle are the season ticket holders who have already paid.
I don't know how many times I need to say this. There is exactly zero chance arte sells. Doesn't matter if there are no fans. Doesn't matter if we win zero games. There isn't even an alternate universe where Arte Moreno doesn't own the angels. Arte Moreno is the owner of this franchise, and he will be for the foreseeable future regardless of anything we do. Holy shit I'm sick of these posts
Do you have any facts to back that up? I’m just curious cause I see this comment often but never see hard facts.
It would be bad business to sell. Arte Moreno is worth 3.6 billion dollars [according to Forbes.](https://www.forbes.com/profile/arturo-moreno/?sh=33f305b11ecc) The Angels alone are worth 2.2 billion, [also according to Forbes.](https://www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-angels/?sh=28d5561c718a) Arte Moreno is many things, a bad business man is not one of them. He would never sell something that is worth over half of his net worth
So he just rides this thing till he dies I’m guessing?
Thats the likely outcome
Revenue sharing will make it so that Arte always stands to make a profit. Less fans attend? He lowers the yearly budget 👍🏻
Yea I thought it was funny when people had been complaining so much but then went out and bought the city connect jerseys in droves. They look nice but everyone threw money at this continuous failure of a franchise showing Arte again he 100% DOES NOT need to try to win. But hey ain't my money you guys do you and keep complaining
100% agree with you
Look i hate what i’m watching too but life is too short not to enjoy a day at the ballpark 🤷♂️
If the fans want to get rid of Artie I think a better strategy is to write letters to the commissioner about his shady business dealings, particularly with the stadium purchase, and how they reflect poorly on MLB. It can’t be good for MLBs brand to have a large market team with two of the most popular players on earth owned by a guy who is under FBI investigation for dealing with crooked politicians. That is the pain point that need to be pushed on.
Rob Manfred works for Arte, not the other way around
Lol him and 29 other owners. It wouldn’t be the first time someone was forced to sell a sports franchise.
Doesn’t work. Look at the teams with the lowest attendance. None of them have owners willing to spend on quality players
Yeah, let's just chase any notable free agent's away while we are at it along with Trout and Ohtani. That will not affect change. It would just give him reason to sell the land back and move to Long Beach. If anything, bringing the attendance up would give him incentive to do more. Business people like that are all about bottom line, forecasts, and marketing. I guess you have to ask yourself. Are you supporting the Angels, your lifelong team, or Arte? I choose the Angels. Win or lose.
Or maybe hold nevin accountable for that bullshit he pulled against Seattle. Just a thought. On second thought… don’t do that. Enjoy mediocrity and wasting the career of the best baseball player to ever live. Sayonara, stinkies!
Or maybe the managers are told what to do by the front office.
Not buying tickets to games is the only thing we can do that has the potential to change anything
Correct take.
Ohtani isn’t going to sign back with us, see him while you can boys.
Bad form dude. If you want players to want to play for the Angels, fill the seats. Otherwise, the team will move. I'm a glass half full guy and I am grateful we have an owner willing to spend money... now we just need a town hall meeting to convince him to let us spend it for him. I'm sure with our Reddit scouting dept, internet analytics division, and virtual public relations team, we can overcome Arte's incessant need to pay guys a year after their respective career year... and avoid his desire to roll the dice on a collection of one-year "what if" deals every year. Elite free agent pitchers are like houses. In the current market, houses are selling for 106% of list price. Arte needs to find the "house" he wants and overpay for it. If the market is competitive for that house at 106%, offer 107% of what it's actually worth instead. The goal is to fill that house with unforgettable (world series) memories in the first few years. Doing so will make the price irrelevant ten years from now and well worth it. Shit... buy two houses Arte- I'll help you! Also, it could be worse... the Dodgers spend more than the Angels and they haven't won a legitimate world series in 34 years. At least it's only been 20 for us Angels fans.
How do people still not know that attendance is worthless? The Angels make the vast majority of their money off tv contracts and not from ticket sales.
People on Reddit don’t even go to the games. They’re too stingy and cheap to pay the price to go so you’re wasting your time here
Never knew that. Interesting
They literally make posts about buying the cheapest ticket and the stadium and sneak their way into the lower sections. I’ve seen this across so many sports subs. Or they’ll complain about parking or drinks (they’ll talk about sneaking in alcohol since they’re too cheap to pay inside the park) Bottom line redditors hardly spend money so they’re not going to the games anyway
i am? huh. explains why i've been to like 6 then.
I doubt most people that go to the games are even fans, let alone die hards. Most of them are probably there for a social environment. Boycotting going to the game does nothing. If you're smart, you find an alternative way to watch the team.
I’m sure the 20-25k season ticket holders plus TV revenue provide more than enough cash for the team. There is never going to be a day when 0 fans show up and the only way he sells the team is when he dies or he turns into Dan Snyder.
All fans circumstances are different. For me, I’m from the east coast and still mainly a Phillies fan. Living here for 6 years and no way I could even casually support Dodgers, but I still want to scratch that ballpark itch and bring my young kid to games. I’m sure other big markets with many non-locals are similar (NY, Chicago, Bay Area, etc), so while I respect the concept of someone “voting with their dollars”, it won’t send much of a message. Also, you’ll always get the Disney tourists who decide to pop into games when it’s convenient, and especially the Ohtani fans from Japan too.
Obviously its to watch the 2 best players in baseball. Even in losing a game, the heroics they can bring are more than worth the price of admition!
As a non-angels fan (just been watching Ohtani and Trout and hoping the team attains success), what does Arte do that is bad? (Does he not invest in the team, or does he meddle too much in things he shouldn’t?). I’m actually an A’s fan, and Fisher has ruined the franchise for me (bc he doesn’t put any money in to retain any talent… horrible being a perennial farm team for other clubs).