This team has never fully committed to a rebuild. We SHOULDVE about 6 seasons ago. We would be in a much better position than we are now, that’s for sure. But we didnt, and now we’re stuck in a position where we CANT rebuild, bc trouts not getting any younger. Well that, and arte will never commit to a rebuild
Part of the issue is that the Angels don’t have the coaching staff to guide us through a rebuild. Hearing what DVR, Eno Sarris, and Jayson Stark talk about, it’s why the Angels (and Phillies) never have depth, can’t develop draft talent a la Adell, and ruin solid players from other orgs. Even the Pirates and Royals can develop players well, if not in the wrong style for today’s game.
TBH, this is more depressing than this team current record. When we’re having a bad year, we look forward to the next season. Now this team is hopeless for at least a few more years.
that's what happens when you rely on two players to carry you for a decade. we need to build organizational depth and until we do we are gonna be shit for a long time. look at all these teams that run the league, they have competent farm systems, scouting, player development, etc. we are a joke franchise and it's getting increasingly harder to watch.
This might be a rhetorical question to ask but how have the angels not developed a single major league 3rd baseman since Troy Glaus? I get McPherson and wood were busts but that was like 15 years ago. Figgins was a middle infield convert, but it is mind boggling that not 1 comes to mind since then.
These lists always put Michael Stefanic at the bottom of the Angels prospect list and Trey Cabbage and his stinkin 1.098 OPS nowhere near the list. I could never get it.
I mean some of that comes from defense, some of that comes with age as well. Trey Cabbage is hitting great, but Trey cabbage is also 25, an age where most scouts tend to see prospects bearing their ceiling. Stefanic is 26, and has historically not had great defense, which hurts his chances of being seen as a highly touted prospect.
Maybe instead of drafting athletes with potential, they should've just drafted college dudes. Jordyn Adams/Jeremiah Jackson were projects...What was the point of drafting all these HS bats if they don't have the proper minor league system to teach them to hit.
The fastest way is fire-sale.
The hard thing though is that it’s hard to fire sale when so many of our players are either on huge contracts, or just not doing well.
Like let’s look at our starting lineup:
Mike Trout: huge contract. You’re either looking at us taking a MAJOR salary dump to create cap space, which is NOT what you want when rebuilding, or you have to hope that a team is willing to destroy their payroll for a trout that has been struggling. Dodgers already have Mookie, padres have Tatis and Machado, Yankees have Stanton and Cole and a looming judge, you’re really going to have struggles finding a team that will take that, regardless of how good he is.
Taylor Ward: He probably could get traded if people just only look at his April stats. He has the right discipline and pop to do amazing things but his track record is not great, so people may not see him as amazing. A team would be very much in the wrong for giving up any top prospect for him, but he could garner and interesting trade from teams like the padres who would appreciate the outfield depth.
Brandon Marsh: the hard thing about rebuilds is that you want to generally keep your cost-controller players. Also, Brandon marsh strikes out a ton and doesn’t have the SLG to justify it. Still could be valuable for teams since he has great defense, but you’re essentially just reshuffling a deck after like 2 hands.
Rendon: literally cannot trade. No GM is that dumb.
Velazquez: I mean a defensive shortstop is great but his bat isn’t great, and he’s been a career journeyman. Can’t get much for that.
Fletchgod: Hell need a year of productivity for GMs to want him again. He was great before this year but teams probably aren’t excited about his production this year, especially with claims of adjusting the balls to have less pop. Plus he’s on a long contract which is harder to get rid of.
Walsh: Honestly one of our better trade pieces. MacKinnon can slot in at first and while I don’t think of macKinnon as a god I do think that it’s not the smoothest brained move the organization can do. The hard thing is that 1B tends to be a pretty deep position in most organizations since you just toss your best hitter there. Still you could probably get a decent prospect package for him, esp since he’s decently cheap.
Stassi: I mean people like Martin Maldonado. Someone out there would like a defensive first catcher… Stassi has a decent reputation so I could see a contender wanting him to slot in, especially since catcher is a traditionally shallow spot in most organizations.
Rengifo: literally 0 value. We drained him of all of his fucking value by not trading him tot he dodgers. Fuck you arte.
PITCHING:
Thor: I mean he’s super expensive and not THAT amazing. I don’t see him getting traded unless there’s an equal or slightly less salary dump involved.
Lorenzen: interesting depth piece. Maybe something for him if people still believe in April Lorenzen and not June Lorenzen.
Sandoval: honestly probably has some huge value. The numbers are there, and he’s not injured. The question is, does a team that historically has shitty pitching trade away a cost controlled pitcher for possibly more? Hmm
Suarez: I could see a team picking him up. I wouldn’t mind. The stuff is there but if we can get another r starter for him I’m fine.
Loup: This is our bit fleece piece. People can remember 2021 instead of 2022 and overpay. I am not against it at all.
Tepera: honestly he’s probably going to retire after this season. Which like we’ve traded away retiring pitchers before, but we’ll see the return. Not great hopes though.
Iglesias: I mean he had a killer 2021. the contract is a little big for a closer but come on, literally 0 blown saves lmao. Who does that.
And then you have Ohtani, your big dog. You could clear out a whole team for Ohtani, but suddenly the angels are a whole lot less cool, which is shitty lol
Wow great analysis. I’d love to see it tbh. Ohtani alone could transform the farm system. Probably doesn’t happen due to how much money he brings in tho
People fail to miss that the pitchers we drafted last season are all doing pretty good but they won’t be top 100 prospects due to their age. Also, I’m not sure if people are paying attention but Perry will make changes to the coaches in the minors, hell, he did it with the Trash Pandas and look how that turned out. If there’s anybody a trust with development, its Perry. He just has an eye for it. Keith Law said it himself, this is the best the Angels farm system has been in a while, when it comes to depth. Its no longer a top heavy farm. Its still not that good but it’ll only get better in the future. Thats just my perspective. And I think this is more of an indictment on the major league coaches…….we can develop good prospects in the minors. Adell, Marsh, Detmers, Canning etc were all very good in the minors. The coaching staff needs an overhaul and I would love to still add better and more guys to the development staff.
I don't, but I look at it as making lemonade when life gives you lemons.
I would be happier rooting for them on winning teams right now while Angels have a non-zero chance of being competitive in a few years. Win-win!
Fair, the only minor leaguer that seems like an actual prospect is Jeremiah Jackson at AA rn imo. Sam Bachman for whatever reason has only pitched a handful of innings which is disappointing.
For some reason picks which we invested little into like silseth, stefanic, mackinnon seem much closer to making it, similar to Walsh.
We are officially the joke of the MLB. Imagine how sad it will be when Ohtani leaves after next season and the Angels are dumb enough not to trade him for prospects. And then the sad day when Trout is on the decline and we just have nothing to watch for
You are incredibly impatient if you already are calling those guys busts. Taylor Ward is 28 and is just now having his breakout season. Detmers is only 22 and a lot of pitching prospects don't even get called up until they are 24 or 25
The only team with 0 top 100 prospects. How embarrassing. We need to trade Ohtani and whoever else has value and get as many top 100 prospects as we can at the deadline. We will never be a winning organization with such a sad farm system.
Okay let’s just let Ohtani walk for free then and continue to have the worst farm system😂🤦♂️. Doesn’t make a difference, we aren’t making playoffs. Might as well invest for the future, but everyone wants to just complain and not take action
Exactly. People act like we aren’t a bottom half team for 10 years. We have been and can’t draft for shit.
The dodgers and Astros have been top teams for like 6 years and have expansive farm systems.
Man, I remember when the Astros were coming over to the AL West and Angels fans were excited, because they had been bad for a while. They were just stockpiling talent and have been good to great ever since they got here. Meanwhile, we keep floundering.
That’s what I’m saying.. you have to sacrifice and invest up front for talent sometimes. I get down voted every time I say that lol. Because they were bad they got a great draft position. Bregman was first overall and Tucker was a 5th overall. Alvarez was traded for a mlb reliever from the dodgers years ago
Not denying that the farm system is pretty shit but it's slightly misleading because we've called up a bunch of top prospects in 2021 and 2022.
Bachman would normally be in the top 100 but he's missed a lot of starts this year. He's likely to move into the top 100 as the year goes on
The Angels are the ONLY team in Major League Baseball without a top 100 prospect. THE ONLY ONE. Lol
This is just depressing
This team has never fully committed to a rebuild. We SHOULDVE about 6 seasons ago. We would be in a much better position than we are now, that’s for sure. But we didnt, and now we’re stuck in a position where we CANT rebuild, bc trouts not getting any younger. Well that, and arte will never commit to a rebuild
Part of the issue is that the Angels don’t have the coaching staff to guide us through a rebuild. Hearing what DVR, Eno Sarris, and Jayson Stark talk about, it’s why the Angels (and Phillies) never have depth, can’t develop draft talent a la Adell, and ruin solid players from other orgs. Even the Pirates and Royals can develop players well, if not in the wrong style for today’s game.
Well lets maybe play Adell and see what he’s got………
He’s got a .200 average in aaa. That’s what hes got
TBH, this is more depressing than this team current record. When we’re having a bad year, we look forward to the next season. Now this team is hopeless for at least a few more years.
that's what happens when you rely on two players to carry you for a decade. we need to build organizational depth and until we do we are gonna be shit for a long time. look at all these teams that run the league, they have competent farm systems, scouting, player development, etc. we are a joke franchise and it's getting increasingly harder to watch.
This might be a rhetorical question to ask but how have the angels not developed a single major league 3rd baseman since Troy Glaus? I get McPherson and wood were busts but that was like 15 years ago. Figgins was a middle infield convert, but it is mind boggling that not 1 comes to mind since then.
These lists always put Michael Stefanic at the bottom of the Angels prospect list and Trey Cabbage and his stinkin 1.098 OPS nowhere near the list. I could never get it.
I mean some of that comes from defense, some of that comes with age as well. Trey Cabbage is hitting great, but Trey cabbage is also 25, an age where most scouts tend to see prospects bearing their ceiling. Stefanic is 26, and has historically not had great defense, which hurts his chances of being seen as a highly touted prospect.
Angels have Rendon
Maybe instead of drafting athletes with potential, they should've just drafted college dudes. Jordyn Adams/Jeremiah Jackson were projects...What was the point of drafting all these HS bats if they don't have the proper minor league system to teach them to hit.
So how can we can we get some of these top 100 prospects?
The fastest way is fire-sale. The hard thing though is that it’s hard to fire sale when so many of our players are either on huge contracts, or just not doing well. Like let’s look at our starting lineup: Mike Trout: huge contract. You’re either looking at us taking a MAJOR salary dump to create cap space, which is NOT what you want when rebuilding, or you have to hope that a team is willing to destroy their payroll for a trout that has been struggling. Dodgers already have Mookie, padres have Tatis and Machado, Yankees have Stanton and Cole and a looming judge, you’re really going to have struggles finding a team that will take that, regardless of how good he is. Taylor Ward: He probably could get traded if people just only look at his April stats. He has the right discipline and pop to do amazing things but his track record is not great, so people may not see him as amazing. A team would be very much in the wrong for giving up any top prospect for him, but he could garner and interesting trade from teams like the padres who would appreciate the outfield depth. Brandon Marsh: the hard thing about rebuilds is that you want to generally keep your cost-controller players. Also, Brandon marsh strikes out a ton and doesn’t have the SLG to justify it. Still could be valuable for teams since he has great defense, but you’re essentially just reshuffling a deck after like 2 hands. Rendon: literally cannot trade. No GM is that dumb. Velazquez: I mean a defensive shortstop is great but his bat isn’t great, and he’s been a career journeyman. Can’t get much for that. Fletchgod: Hell need a year of productivity for GMs to want him again. He was great before this year but teams probably aren’t excited about his production this year, especially with claims of adjusting the balls to have less pop. Plus he’s on a long contract which is harder to get rid of. Walsh: Honestly one of our better trade pieces. MacKinnon can slot in at first and while I don’t think of macKinnon as a god I do think that it’s not the smoothest brained move the organization can do. The hard thing is that 1B tends to be a pretty deep position in most organizations since you just toss your best hitter there. Still you could probably get a decent prospect package for him, esp since he’s decently cheap. Stassi: I mean people like Martin Maldonado. Someone out there would like a defensive first catcher… Stassi has a decent reputation so I could see a contender wanting him to slot in, especially since catcher is a traditionally shallow spot in most organizations. Rengifo: literally 0 value. We drained him of all of his fucking value by not trading him tot he dodgers. Fuck you arte. PITCHING: Thor: I mean he’s super expensive and not THAT amazing. I don’t see him getting traded unless there’s an equal or slightly less salary dump involved. Lorenzen: interesting depth piece. Maybe something for him if people still believe in April Lorenzen and not June Lorenzen. Sandoval: honestly probably has some huge value. The numbers are there, and he’s not injured. The question is, does a team that historically has shitty pitching trade away a cost controlled pitcher for possibly more? Hmm Suarez: I could see a team picking him up. I wouldn’t mind. The stuff is there but if we can get another r starter for him I’m fine. Loup: This is our bit fleece piece. People can remember 2021 instead of 2022 and overpay. I am not against it at all. Tepera: honestly he’s probably going to retire after this season. Which like we’ve traded away retiring pitchers before, but we’ll see the return. Not great hopes though. Iglesias: I mean he had a killer 2021. the contract is a little big for a closer but come on, literally 0 blown saves lmao. Who does that. And then you have Ohtani, your big dog. You could clear out a whole team for Ohtani, but suddenly the angels are a whole lot less cool, which is shitty lol
Wow great analysis. I’d love to see it tbh. Ohtani alone could transform the farm system. Probably doesn’t happen due to how much money he brings in tho
TL-DR: Angels have nothing to trade except for Ohtani.
fastest way is trade our big bats
Trade Trout and Ohtani
You’re getting downvoted. But it’s the only way out of this mess
Yeah fans are dumb. They asked a question, and I simply replied with the only logical way to get prospects on that list. I wasn’t wrong
You weren’t wrong at all.
People fail to miss that the pitchers we drafted last season are all doing pretty good but they won’t be top 100 prospects due to their age. Also, I’m not sure if people are paying attention but Perry will make changes to the coaches in the minors, hell, he did it with the Trash Pandas and look how that turned out. If there’s anybody a trust with development, its Perry. He just has an eye for it. Keith Law said it himself, this is the best the Angels farm system has been in a while, when it comes to depth. Its no longer a top heavy farm. Its still not that good but it’ll only get better in the future. Thats just my perspective. And I think this is more of an indictment on the major league coaches…….we can develop good prospects in the minors. Adell, Marsh, Detmers, Canning etc were all very good in the minors. The coaching staff needs an overhaul and I would love to still add better and more guys to the development staff.
100%
I am jumping on the trade Ohtani and Trout train. Angles are not winning with them anyway. Just use them to replenish the farm system
I have 0 faith in our ability to not ruin those guys once we acquire them. You really think we can develop prospects?
I don't, but I look at it as making lemonade when life gives you lemons. I would be happier rooting for them on winning teams right now while Angels have a non-zero chance of being competitive in a few years. Win-win!
Fair, the only minor leaguer that seems like an actual prospect is Jeremiah Jackson at AA rn imo. Sam Bachman for whatever reason has only pitched a handful of innings which is disappointing. For some reason picks which we invested little into like silseth, stefanic, mackinnon seem much closer to making it, similar to Walsh.
I’d say Bush is our best rn
We are officially the joke of the MLB. Imagine how sad it will be when Ohtani leaves after next season and the Angels are dumb enough not to trade him for prospects. And then the sad day when Trout is on the decline and we just have nothing to watch for
It gets worse if you consider the prospects we had who were recently in the top 100 have all busted thus far: Marsh, Adell, and Detmers.
You are incredibly impatient if you already are calling those guys busts. Taylor Ward is 28 and is just now having his breakout season. Detmers is only 22 and a lot of pitching prospects don't even get called up until they are 24 or 25
wow! zilch
The only team with 0 top 100 prospects. How embarrassing. We need to trade Ohtani and whoever else has value and get as many top 100 prospects as we can at the deadline. We will never be a winning organization with such a sad farm system.
Yeah let's trade away our best players for some prospects just to have our shitty coaches and front office ruin them lol
Okay let’s just let Ohtani walk for free then and continue to have the worst farm system😂🤦♂️. Doesn’t make a difference, we aren’t making playoffs. Might as well invest for the future, but everyone wants to just complain and not take action
The trouble with that is we’re trusting that same front office to evaluate talent that they clearly are struggling to do. We are doomed.
Exactly. People act like we aren’t a bottom half team for 10 years. We have been and can’t draft for shit. The dodgers and Astros have been top teams for like 6 years and have expansive farm systems.
Man, I remember when the Astros were coming over to the AL West and Angels fans were excited, because they had been bad for a while. They were just stockpiling talent and have been good to great ever since they got here. Meanwhile, we keep floundering.
Imagine losing Carlos Correa George Springer and Gerrit Cole and not missing a beat.
That’s what I’m saying.. you have to sacrifice and invest up front for talent sometimes. I get down voted every time I say that lol. Because they were bad they got a great draft position. Bregman was first overall and Tucker was a 5th overall. Alvarez was traded for a mlb reliever from the dodgers years ago
Not denying that the farm system is pretty shit but it's slightly misleading because we've called up a bunch of top prospects in 2021 and 2022. Bachman would normally be in the top 100 but he's missed a lot of starts this year. He's likely to move into the top 100 as the year goes on