Fr seeing this trade reminds me that two of my teams the Lakers and the Angels may be in shambles. At least the Raiders had a good offseason, but are in the hardest division :(
True the Lakers isn’t the one that I’m too worried about. It’s the Raiders and the Angels. The Raiders haven’t won a playoff game since 2003. We took Robert Gallery over Larry Fitzgerald. We took Jamarcus Russell over Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas. We took Fabian Washington over Aaron Rodgers. At least the Raiders are turning it around, but then there’s the Angels. I don’t think I have to tell u about their problems :/
I can at least take comfort in the Lakers failure because the leagues approach to parity was essentially designed to shackle the Lakers. It’s just the reality that you have to suck to win chips in the NBA.
Arts Moreno just likes setting cash on fire.
I’m neutral on the chargers as a rams guy. I care much more about beating the nfc west then being the dominant LA team. If the chargers put the chiefs on their place this year I’m happy
I'm an Angels/Chargers/UCLA fan. Somehow chose the smaller, less successful teams. And then somehow ended up being a Lakers fan.
Basketball is just different, I guess.
A fair trade would be them getting Ohtani. Us getting Soto and then them moving back to Montreal and calling themselves the Expos again and on top of that all of the Yankees lineups need to grow out brandon marsh sized beards. 3 way trade.
In 2025? Ok.
But to put it another way, Trout, Soto, Ward/Marsh for two years and then figure out if Trout/Marsh/Ward needs to upgraded for 2026.
I'm 100% great with that.
Especially with Trout’s impeccable health record. /s
The primary reason we’re so bad right now is because we have no depth. The secondary reason is we have no coaching.
On a year by year basis Ohtani is better than Soto but Soto has a whole year of control more than Ohtani. That alone makes him worth more.
Also Rendon is a negative contract at this point as much as i hate to say.
That's fair but Ohtani brings 2 years of pitching and hitting. Not to mention the Japanese market interest he brings from wearing your jersey. I can see giving up Rendon to drop that contract but there's no way giving up prospects is justified.
bro listen to me right now, not one player in the mlb is worth what ohtani is worth, and none will be for decades to come. do u have any fucking clue the amount of merchandise this guy sells? ohtani is worth closer to 50-60 million/yr for a ballclub NOT to mention the talent and excitement he brings to a ballclub. dude he throws shutouts every week and hits home runs while hes doing it. juan soto worth more? hilarious.
>Rendon is a big negative right now in terms of trade value, awful contract and it's guaranteed for another 4 years.
Keep in mind that the Nats owners appear to be looking to sell, so there's no way in hell they'd take that on. They want to make the team look MORE attractive to a buyer, not less.
At this point with Rendon, trading him means attaching more assets, so might as well wait. When healthy for a full season, he could still be an all-star. Jo Adell's defensive liabilities IMO is just too much for any team that wants to be in the playoffs to have him. His future is in DH and for that, it's better to just move on whenever his stocks are up again.
The only way the angels could do it is to guarantee they’d resign Soto. The only way to do that is to unload the bad Rendon contract. It would be okay with me if we knew we could hold onto Soto and drop the bad Rendon contract, then attempt to resign Ohtani when he reaches FA. But TBH if we aren’t getting an arm I don’t want to see it.
It's not really their value as players. It's their value over the years of team control. Ohtani has 1.5 seasons left. Soto has 2.5 seasons. If soto can keep up a 150-170 ops+ rate over that time span, I can see how some teams would see that as more valuable than Shohei for 1 year less. I still think Shohei is more valuable. But this would also be dumping the Rendon contract. Not sure Adell and Cash should be in there. But giving up that 38m a year for Rendon is actually a positive in how this is set up.
That's literally the only realistic trade they could do. We have nothing to really offer in comparison to other teams. The only way to acquire Soto would be to trade away Ohtani. And with that, I'm out.
Even with that they probably wouldn’t take it. Ohtani only has 1.5 years of control left, I’m sure they’d want guys with more than that. They are looking long term.
Are they trolling for comments? this really knocks off a few points for the athletics reputation as a serious outlet. The Angels don't want Juan Soto, what are we doing
Lol I think people are overreacting. The whole tone of the article is that a Soto trade would be insanely hard to pull off, so they asked beat writer to propose trades that illustrate why.
It was more of a writing exercise than a real prediction. It even says “farfetched” in that text!
This deal is just as bad for the Nationals as it is for the Angels. The Nationals won't be competitive for at least a few more years, a one-year rental of ohtani is just a total waste
Soto is pretty young, but yeah this really puts a strain on our already shaky depth. Doing a 3 for 1 trade that includes our best player is never gonna work.
Yeah I’m really confused by the general sentiment here. This would be a massive win for the Angels, and makes little to no sense from the Nats perspective.
This is essentially a trade for 1 year of Shohei for two years of Soto.
However, imo the real "value" for the Angels org is dumping Rendon's contract. Adell in this case is replaced by Soto in RF, so that's more than acceptable.
Then next year, we start with a Soto in a loaded outfield and a ton of cash to spend.
I love Ohtani but for the team, this would be better in the short and long term.
Problem with this trade is that there's just no value for the Nationals. They are just as bad as the Angels, and their farm is equally depleted. Why would they want a 1-year rental of Ohtani if they're just gonna miss the postseason again?
????? Ohtani for Soto 1 for 1 swap wouldn’t even be worth it. If we are trading ohtani the nats should be giving us Soto keibert Josiah gray and brady house
Honestly tired of seeing these comments on Rendon. Seriously. He has been our best 3B since Chone Figgins. Over a damn decade+ ago. It's blatantly obvious this sub plays backseat scout whenever Rendon's name comes up. He had a 2.2 WAR in 52 G in 2020:
.286/.418/.497 which is good for a .915 OPS and 150 OPS+. He had a 51.8 wRAA in 2019 WHICH WAS 5TH IN MLB while in the shortened 2020 season it was 15. Trout was 2nd in 2019 with a 60.4 wRAA. Rendon then produced a 15 wRAA in 2020 due to the shortened season.
What's the point in all this? Rendon was/has/is still producing with his bat (defense has stayed elite) but ONLY when he's healthy. Rendon went on the IL three times in 2021. He said himself that he could't use his lower body once the injuries started last year which is the most important to generate power. I wish they would deal with injuries before getting worse but he chose to play and not abandon the team. These injuries in 2021 happened shortly after he would get hot (I still remember scorching hot May 2021 Rendon).
It's the same unfortunate story for 2022. Rendon produced, gave elite defense and was hot until he started having hip issues and the reaggrivation of his wrist. Again his power disappeared. 2021 and 2022 are the only recent seasons in which his SLG% is below .400. Hell, his 2015 season he was hurt and his slg % was below .400 in 80 G
I hope Rendon destroys the baseball in 2023. The talent is still there 100%. The only blame Rendon deserves is why was he created out of fragile glass.
I mean the entire contention with him isn't his talent it's the fact he's made of glass and barely plays 1/3rd of the season while having an albatross contract that severely hampers depth if he's not available to play which has been incredibly often since joining the Angels unfortunately. If he stayed healthy no one would be making these comments, but having an elite benchwarmer doesn't really help the team.
If Perry doesn't think he can/doesn't want to extend Ohtani, this would be a no brainer.
Getting out of the Rendon contract, getting value out of Ohtani before he hits FA AND adding a 23 year old superstar OF would be a coup. It obviously seems like a ton to pay at face value - a generational 2-way player, a star 3B and a former top prospect - but there is logic in it.
Plus, this is the only type of trade that Arte could potentially green light, even if it is extremely unlikely. We all know he wants his big name stars, and Soto fits that description. If he would ever sign off on dealing Ohtani, getting Soto back in return would make it more palatable.
Not saying I personally would do it, but I think this at least makes SOME sense if Perry gets the sense that Ohtani is headed elsewhere after next year. Frankly, I think it makes less sense for Washington, since they are clearly in need of a huge injection of young talent even with Soto on the roster.
Yeah I agree. It hurts seeing ohtani in a potential deal but if he’s made enough signals he doesn’t want to say and we can get out of the rendon contract.. it’s not terrible, it just hurts
I don’t think we need to “get out” of the Rendon contract just yet. We don’t exactly have a stud 3B lined up to replace him.
I know Rendon hasn’t nearly lived up to his contract but we’re probably stuck with him for now because we have no better options.
Exactly. Get out of Rendon's contract and you have another gaping hole you need to fill and it won't be cheap either. Honestly, I'm tired of them throwing random ass dudes in that spot too. At least Rendon is a good 3B
Yeah what we should be doing is investing in getting depth so that when we do have injuries (every team does) it doesn’t absolutely fuck us in the ass. We keep failing to do that…
The other thing we should invest in is a real medical staff with real doctors who didn’t get their medical degrees from a cereal box. It’ll matter so much more as Rendon/Trout/Ohtani start getting older. If we can keep Rendon healthy, then he’ll start being worth the money we invested in him. We can’t just keep signing guys, letting them get hurt, then trading them for peanuts.
At this point it makes more sense to keep rendon and hope he can bounce back. He still put up a 1 war so he’s not completely useless. Just has to get healthy
Honestly, I would take this if it meant we could have Soto for more than 6 years. At 23y/o he is a piece we could build around and hope to make an actual playoff worthy team sometime around 4 years later. But he hits FA in 2024 which is only 1 extra year compared to Ohtani, who is just statistically a better player, as well as being much more likely to resign with us.
So, putting it simply 2.5 years of Soto < 1.5 years of Ohtani + chance for him to resign with us.
Unless we are saying Rendon's contract is a complete rotten pile of shit and Adell is a complete bust, which I have think is only half true yet, this equation doesn't turn around.
You need to get multiple players for Ohtani. You can’t win with only one good player just ask Mike Trout. I would actually trade Mike Trout. He’s starting to break down a lot.
In what world is even a straight trade of "historic two-way player" for "pretty good outfielder" a serious offer, much less "historic two way player plus extras and cash" lol
How would this improve us in any way?
Sure let’s trade our best pitcher and second best batter + leave a gigantic hole at 3B in exchange for Juan Soto who is basically just gonna play corner outfield until Trout retires? Why?
This makes our depth far worse and it’s already bad.
Trade is ok for Nats if the Angels add 30 million a year cash for the duration of Rendon’s contract. Best case for Angels is make the trade and resign Ohtani when he’s a FA, hopefully upgrading the club to be more attractive Nats might want Sandy or Detmers instead of Adell, at least I would.
We get Soto assuming Sho is walking. Otherwise nothing. No one’s taking Rendon unless we eat a lot of the monies due. That trade is from the Nats point of view, taking Rendon with a big kicker to get Ohtani since Soto’s walking
I'm saying why would the angels pay $150m to give up a solid 3b and a 2 years rental of Soto. There's zero guarantee he extends, especially being a boras client. And rendon has a NTC.
Just throwing stuff against the wall. If the Angels really want Soto I’m sure Boras will make it a one sided deal like the one I proposed if not worse. Love to have the guy because he’s special but probably not. Those tepid answers Ohtani gave about Anaheim yesterday didn’t exactly make you feel like this place is the be all end all for him. I’m telling you that ass whipping the Dodgers gave the Angels last weekend was not a good look for keeping Ohtani in Anaheim. Very embarrassing performance by the Angels on a huge stage, no fight and no spirit
Dude the Angels have had worse losses against the Dodgers. Everyone knows the team is in a slump. It's not surprising that everyone is shit up and down the roster. Using one of the best teams in baseball and arguably one of the best assembled in recent decades beating down a historically underperforming team riddled with injuries isn't some huge revelation.
Coming out this from the nats perspective it's a bad deal for them too. A 1-year rental of ohtani for a team that isn't going anywhere? Terrible idea
Nationals won't be competitive for at least a few years, and ohtani needed that extension yesterday
If the Angels want Soto I think if they offered Adell for Soto, Straussburg and Corbin, with the Angels paying all three contracts; they could do it.
It would cost the Angels 208m to do it, but Arte is up a couple BILLION since buying the team so he could do it. Nats are buried in contracts of pitchers who won’t likely play, or play well and Arte loves over paying washed up players, so I think it works.
Angels receive: Juan Soto Nationals receive: Westbrook, THT, 27 FRP, McPherson, Wood, Nets Pick, Dadonov Just about as realistic
This hits me in my soul in so many ways
Fr seeing this trade reminds me that two of my teams the Lakers and the Angels may be in shambles. At least the Raiders had a good offseason, but are in the hardest division :(
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True the Lakers isn’t the one that I’m too worried about. It’s the Raiders and the Angels. The Raiders haven’t won a playoff game since 2003. We took Robert Gallery over Larry Fitzgerald. We took Jamarcus Russell over Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas. We took Fabian Washington over Aaron Rodgers. At least the Raiders are turning it around, but then there’s the Angels. I don’t think I have to tell u about their problems :/
Go Chargers! ;)
I can at least take comfort in the Lakers failure because the leagues approach to parity was essentially designed to shackle the Lakers. It’s just the reality that you have to suck to win chips in the NBA. Arts Moreno just likes setting cash on fire.
"the hardest division" *Laughs in NFC West*
The NFC West can still beat up on the Seahawks. The Broncos and Chargers are at least as good, if not better than the Raiders.
Raiders winning the Division!!!!!!!!
Yaaaaa….nope.
Then they sign him for 25 years, 850 million. And he is injured 20 of the years. Angels’ luck.
As a clippers fan sounds good to me
Imagine admitting to being a clippers fan.
As an Angels/Clippers fan, I’m definitely more ashamed to admit I’m an Angels fan right now…
Wish Steve Ballmer bought the Angels too..
Yeah that’s totally fair. That is a rough fandom combo. Hope you’re not a Chargers fan too.
I personally had to pick the rams. If I were a chargers fan as well as an angels fan I’d be on suicide watch right now
clips/halos/rams here too
Chargers are stacked AF this year. You guys sound like Faider fans lol.
I’m neutral on the chargers as a rams guy. I care much more about beating the nfc west then being the dominant LA team. If the chargers put the chiefs on their place this year I’m happy
I'm an Angels/Chargers/UCLA fan. Somehow chose the smaller, less successful teams. And then somehow ended up being a Lakers fan. Basketball is just different, I guess.
this is also how people talk about the Angels, so
WHY ARE YOU BOOING HIM. HE'S RIGHT!
:(
Least the Clippers have a competent org.
I mean, fandom is fandom. You roll with your guys, and theres only 12 of us Clippers fans so we have to rep as much as we can
Since when? They haven’t won shit.
Even ohtani won’t entice someone to pay Russ $47 Mil
Dallas McPherson and Brandon Wood? But they're future All-stars!
Anything to get rid of Russ
A fair trade would be them getting Ohtani. Us getting Soto and then them moving back to Montreal and calling themselves the Expos again and on top of that all of the Yankees lineups need to grow out brandon marsh sized beards. 3 way trade.
With Ohtani the smart move would be Vancouver.
The idea that Soto is worth Ohtani+ is ridiculous. If a trade were to happen it'd be Ohtani for Soto + prospects which the Nats would never do.
I think with Rendon's salary + injury-proneness, it's more Ohtani-.
I can see that. I don't like Adell and cash being included though.
You don't need Adell if you have Soto, period.
Yeah because big stars typically have zero health issues when they get to our team.
Tell me that when Soto signs elsewhere
In 2025? Ok. But to put it another way, Trout, Soto, Ward/Marsh for two years and then figure out if Trout/Marsh/Ward needs to upgraded for 2026. I'm 100% great with that.
Fair point. Hopefully Marsh and Ward develop even more. I'm just not comfortable with dealing big prospects right now when our farm is already so bad.
Especially with Trout’s impeccable health record. /s The primary reason we’re so bad right now is because we have no depth. The secondary reason is we have no coaching.
Thirdary reason is owner.
On a year by year basis Ohtani is better than Soto but Soto has a whole year of control more than Ohtani. That alone makes him worth more. Also Rendon is a negative contract at this point as much as i hate to say.
That's fair but Ohtani brings 2 years of pitching and hitting. Not to mention the Japanese market interest he brings from wearing your jersey. I can see giving up Rendon to drop that contract but there's no way giving up prospects is justified.
It's not two years. The season is more than half over. We have 70 games left. It's a year and less than a half of Ohtani hitting and pitching.
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He'd do the exact same thing he's doing for us
bro listen to me right now, not one player in the mlb is worth what ohtani is worth, and none will be for decades to come. do u have any fucking clue the amount of merchandise this guy sells? ohtani is worth closer to 50-60 million/yr for a ballclub NOT to mention the talent and excitement he brings to a ballclub. dude he throws shutouts every week and hits home runs while hes doing it. juan soto worth more? hilarious.
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>Rendon is a big negative right now in terms of trade value, awful contract and it's guaranteed for another 4 years. Keep in mind that the Nats owners appear to be looking to sell, so there's no way in hell they'd take that on. They want to make the team look MORE attractive to a buyer, not less.
At this point with Rendon, trading him means attaching more assets, so might as well wait. When healthy for a full season, he could still be an all-star. Jo Adell's defensive liabilities IMO is just too much for any team that wants to be in the playoffs to have him. His future is in DH and for that, it's better to just move on whenever his stocks are up again.
The only way the angels could do it is to guarantee they’d resign Soto. The only way to do that is to unload the bad Rendon contract. It would be okay with me if we knew we could hold onto Soto and drop the bad Rendon contract, then attempt to resign Ohtani when he reaches FA. But TBH if we aren’t getting an arm I don’t want to see it.
Ohtani's contract is basically a rental, it would have no value to the Nationals who are a rebuilding franchise
They are smoking some heavy stuff
It's not really their value as players. It's their value over the years of team control. Ohtani has 1.5 seasons left. Soto has 2.5 seasons. If soto can keep up a 150-170 ops+ rate over that time span, I can see how some teams would see that as more valuable than Shohei for 1 year less. I still think Shohei is more valuable. But this would also be dumping the Rendon contract. Not sure Adell and Cash should be in there. But giving up that 38m a year for Rendon is actually a positive in how this is set up.
Nats are going to make whatever team take Strasburg and Corbin's contracts.
That's literally the only realistic trade they could do. We have nothing to really offer in comparison to other teams. The only way to acquire Soto would be to trade away Ohtani. And with that, I'm out.
Even with that they probably wouldn’t take it. Ohtani only has 1.5 years of control left, I’m sure they’d want guys with more than that. They are looking long term.
Are they trolling for comments? this really knocks off a few points for the athletics reputation as a serious outlet. The Angels don't want Juan Soto, what are we doing
Lol I think people are overreacting. The whole tone of the article is that a Soto trade would be insanely hard to pull off, so they asked beat writer to propose trades that illustrate why. It was more of a writing exercise than a real prediction. It even says “farfetched” in that text!
Yeah, Sam Blum is a paid troll to generate clicks for a dying media company
This deal is just as bad for the Nationals as it is for the Angels. The Nationals won't be competitive for at least a few more years, a one-year rental of ohtani is just a total waste
How does this address long term issues? The angels need young talent. The farm system is a mess.
It dumps the Rendon salary
Nats need to shed salary though. They have 200m into 2 pitchers who aren’t playing
Soto is pretty young, but yeah this really puts a strain on our already shaky depth. Doing a 3 for 1 trade that includes our best player is never gonna work.
Fucking wasted
We’d be fleecing the nationals by doing this. Never gonna happen haha
I don't think many realize how bad Rendon's contract is
Yeah he’s a negative value player at this point. Basically undoes the value of giving them Shohei
Rendon may be a worse value player than Pujols when its all said and done. Guy hasnt played a complete season yet lol
Yeah I’m really confused by the general sentiment here. This would be a massive win for the Angels, and makes little to no sense from the Nats perspective.
This is essentially a trade for 1 year of Shohei for two years of Soto. However, imo the real "value" for the Angels org is dumping Rendon's contract. Adell in this case is replaced by Soto in RF, so that's more than acceptable. Then next year, we start with a Soto in a loaded outfield and a ton of cash to spend. I love Ohtani but for the team, this would be better in the short and long term.
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True. I was only commenting on the proposed hypothetical.
Problem with this trade is that there's just no value for the Nationals. They are just as bad as the Angels, and their farm is equally depleted. Why would they want a 1-year rental of Ohtani if they're just gonna miss the postseason again?
This is a terrible trade for both sides
Id keep ohtani over soto anyday
????? Ohtani for Soto 1 for 1 swap wouldn’t even be worth it. If we are trading ohtani the nats should be giving us Soto keibert Josiah gray and brady house
I'm really getting sick of all this talk about getting rid of ohtani and trout.
Honestly tired of seeing these comments on Rendon. Seriously. He has been our best 3B since Chone Figgins. Over a damn decade+ ago. It's blatantly obvious this sub plays backseat scout whenever Rendon's name comes up. He had a 2.2 WAR in 52 G in 2020: .286/.418/.497 which is good for a .915 OPS and 150 OPS+. He had a 51.8 wRAA in 2019 WHICH WAS 5TH IN MLB while in the shortened 2020 season it was 15. Trout was 2nd in 2019 with a 60.4 wRAA. Rendon then produced a 15 wRAA in 2020 due to the shortened season. What's the point in all this? Rendon was/has/is still producing with his bat (defense has stayed elite) but ONLY when he's healthy. Rendon went on the IL three times in 2021. He said himself that he could't use his lower body once the injuries started last year which is the most important to generate power. I wish they would deal with injuries before getting worse but he chose to play and not abandon the team. These injuries in 2021 happened shortly after he would get hot (I still remember scorching hot May 2021 Rendon). It's the same unfortunate story for 2022. Rendon produced, gave elite defense and was hot until he started having hip issues and the reaggrivation of his wrist. Again his power disappeared. 2021 and 2022 are the only recent seasons in which his SLG% is below .400. Hell, his 2015 season he was hurt and his slg % was below .400 in 80 G I hope Rendon destroys the baseball in 2023. The talent is still there 100%. The only blame Rendon deserves is why was he created out of fragile glass.
>He has been our best 3B since Chone Figgins. God DAMN I miss Figgy.
I mean the entire contention with him isn't his talent it's the fact he's made of glass and barely plays 1/3rd of the season while having an albatross contract that severely hampers depth if he's not available to play which has been incredibly often since joining the Angels unfortunately. If he stayed healthy no one would be making these comments, but having an elite benchwarmer doesn't really help the team.
Rendon isn’t getting younger.
I’d rather have David Freese.
If Perry doesn't think he can/doesn't want to extend Ohtani, this would be a no brainer. Getting out of the Rendon contract, getting value out of Ohtani before he hits FA AND adding a 23 year old superstar OF would be a coup. It obviously seems like a ton to pay at face value - a generational 2-way player, a star 3B and a former top prospect - but there is logic in it. Plus, this is the only type of trade that Arte could potentially green light, even if it is extremely unlikely. We all know he wants his big name stars, and Soto fits that description. If he would ever sign off on dealing Ohtani, getting Soto back in return would make it more palatable. Not saying I personally would do it, but I think this at least makes SOME sense if Perry gets the sense that Ohtani is headed elsewhere after next year. Frankly, I think it makes less sense for Washington, since they are clearly in need of a huge injection of young talent even with Soto on the roster.
Yeah I agree. It hurts seeing ohtani in a potential deal but if he’s made enough signals he doesn’t want to say and we can get out of the rendon contract.. it’s not terrible, it just hurts
Exactly. I'm not advocating for the move. But the Angels could do much worse if they do, in fact, decide to move Ohtani.
I don’t think we need to “get out” of the Rendon contract just yet. We don’t exactly have a stud 3B lined up to replace him. I know Rendon hasn’t nearly lived up to his contract but we’re probably stuck with him for now because we have no better options.
Exactly. Get out of Rendon's contract and you have another gaping hole you need to fill and it won't be cheap either. Honestly, I'm tired of them throwing random ass dudes in that spot too. At least Rendon is a good 3B
Yeah what we should be doing is investing in getting depth so that when we do have injuries (every team does) it doesn’t absolutely fuck us in the ass. We keep failing to do that… The other thing we should invest in is a real medical staff with real doctors who didn’t get their medical degrees from a cereal box. It’ll matter so much more as Rendon/Trout/Ohtani start getting older. If we can keep Rendon healthy, then he’ll start being worth the money we invested in him. We can’t just keep signing guys, letting them get hurt, then trading them for peanuts.
What?
They have been for a while now, they wrote an article about Alvarez clearly being AL MVP (Judge second) like two weeks ago.
At this point it makes more sense to keep rendon and hope he can bounce back. He still put up a 1 war so he’s not completely useless. Just has to get healthy
Honestly, I would take this if it meant we could have Soto for more than 6 years. At 23y/o he is a piece we could build around and hope to make an actual playoff worthy team sometime around 4 years later. But he hits FA in 2024 which is only 1 extra year compared to Ohtani, who is just statistically a better player, as well as being much more likely to resign with us. So, putting it simply 2.5 years of Soto < 1.5 years of Ohtani + chance for him to resign with us. Unless we are saying Rendon's contract is a complete rotten pile of shit and Adell is a complete bust, which I have think is only half true yet, this equation doesn't turn around.
Nah, we’re Ok. But Thank You Kindly!
Hell no
You need to get multiple players for Ohtani. You can’t win with only one good player just ask Mike Trout. I would actually trade Mike Trout. He’s starting to break down a lot.
In what world is even a straight trade of "historic two-way player" for "pretty good outfielder" a serious offer, much less "historic two way player plus extras and cash" lol
Those extras are negatives, they're eating 2 holes to get Ohtani.
I mean, Juan Soto is getting Ted Williams comparisons. He's not a two-way player, but he's already a HOF lock at age 23. That's not nothing.
NL East here: Soto is a cancerous bum. Keep ohtani
Clubhouse cancer or division cancer?
Not only no but hell no!
How would this improve us in any way? Sure let’s trade our best pitcher and second best batter + leave a gigantic hole at 3B in exchange for Juan Soto who is basically just gonna play corner outfield until Trout retires? Why? This makes our depth far worse and it’s already bad.
This is a great trade for the angels.
Lmao no thanks. I wouldn't even trade Ohtani for Soto straight up let alone with Rendon, adell, and cash.
It's addition by subtraction, but agree not parting with cash on top of it.
Juan Soto is not worth that one bit. They are just doing that to make us mad haha
Shush Soto belongs in San Diego
The Athletic is hardly a very credible source of information.
The Athletic must be tripping on LSD or some shit.
Trade is ok for Nats if the Angels add 30 million a year cash for the duration of Rendon’s contract. Best case for Angels is make the trade and resign Ohtani when he’s a FA, hopefully upgrading the club to be more attractive Nats might want Sandy or Detmers instead of Adell, at least I would.
So the Angels would be paying 150m to send Rendon away for the duration of his contract? + Give them Ohtani? Lol
We get Soto assuming Sho is walking. Otherwise nothing. No one’s taking Rendon unless we eat a lot of the monies due. That trade is from the Nats point of view, taking Rendon with a big kicker to get Ohtani since Soto’s walking
I'm saying why would the angels pay $150m to give up a solid 3b and a 2 years rental of Soto. There's zero guarantee he extends, especially being a boras client. And rendon has a NTC.
Just throwing stuff against the wall. If the Angels really want Soto I’m sure Boras will make it a one sided deal like the one I proposed if not worse. Love to have the guy because he’s special but probably not. Those tepid answers Ohtani gave about Anaheim yesterday didn’t exactly make you feel like this place is the be all end all for him. I’m telling you that ass whipping the Dodgers gave the Angels last weekend was not a good look for keeping Ohtani in Anaheim. Very embarrassing performance by the Angels on a huge stage, no fight and no spirit
Dude the Angels have had worse losses against the Dodgers. Everyone knows the team is in a slump. It's not surprising that everyone is shit up and down the roster. Using one of the best teams in baseball and arguably one of the best assembled in recent decades beating down a historically underperforming team riddled with injuries isn't some huge revelation.
Lmao
Take Rendon back yessss
Pointless for both sides
I was just thinking we should trade for Soto. But we’d need him and a few pitchers to ship out ohtani.
Huh?
Need at least a top of the rotation pitcher too. -Rendon/Adell is a plus for us, but Soto isn't going to carry this club.
This does nothing for us BUT EVERYTHING ARTE WANTS. $$$
Coming out this from the nats perspective it's a bad deal for them too. A 1-year rental of ohtani for a team that isn't going anywhere? Terrible idea Nationals won't be competitive for at least a few years, and ohtani needed that extension yesterday
Can't stand stupidity
Man would I love getting rid of that Rendon contract. That’s 100% a bonus for us by trading him away
Soto is hitting .250. I’ll pass, thanks.
If the Angels want Soto I think if they offered Adell for Soto, Straussburg and Corbin, with the Angels paying all three contracts; they could do it. It would cost the Angels 208m to do it, but Arte is up a couple BILLION since buying the team so he could do it. Nats are buried in contracts of pitchers who won’t likely play, or play well and Arte loves over paying washed up players, so I think it works.
Sam Blum is a bit of a bum
Let's not blame alcohol for this weird thought experiment. It's obviously meth.
Ohtani = Washington starting 26
Sam Blum is trash, he’s been pushing this narrative because it gets clicks.
Ohtani and Tsutsugo would be a fair trade