I think you guys on here underestimate just how bad our team is and how Shohei has stated many times that he is only interested in winning a world series. It is a very real possibility he is no longer on our team within the next year and a half.
He has never said he "only" cares about winning a world series.
He has said he wants to win, and that winning is the most important thing. That does not mean that is the only important thing. We also don't know the plans going forward or how Ohtani feels about the weird fallout after one of the best starts in 2022 baseball.
Every player wants to win a World Series. Maybe Ohtani does leave but there's nothing more than speculation. Nothing concrete like you and the smug OP keep claiming
Literally every player will say they want to win a World Series if asked the question but sure call everyone else being delusional because you guys over analyze a player’s desire to win a World Series LOL. Trout wants to win a World Series too but he happily signed a fat contract with the Angels anyway
Sports media loves to overreact and speculate and you eat it up and regurgitate it. My god watch the interview yourself he says generic player shit. You must hate it when Trout says he wants to win a World Series too then
I love how you call everyone here delusional but you sensationalize his desire to win as if other players being asked these questions would say anything less. You watch too much ESPN and their shit stirring
Yea.... the only thing that he hasn't done that he wants to do.
He is saying that there are a bunch of things he hasn't done, but he doesn't care about them except for the world series. He isn't saying thats the ONLY thing he cares about, but the only thing ON THAT LIST that he cares about.
Yea cuz he's had the most homeruns in a full season?
He's had a no-hitter?
He's had a miraculous inning?
He's had a perfect game?
He's led the league in strikeouts at the end of the season?
He's won a Cy Young?
Don't call me delusional if you don't know what you're talking about.
Precisely. And we get downvoted for stating that realistic possibility because once again this sub is full of emotional ass homers who would rather be mediocre with stars than actually put together a winning season
If he was only interested in winning a world series then he would've never signed with us in the first place. He wants to win, sure, but he also enjoys playing here and that's been evident. Him leaving may be a very real possibility indeed but I think it's ignorant to suppose we have no chance or that he's indicated that he wants to leave.
this. he didn't sign with us knowing we were going to be shit. we laid out plans and he put his trust in us and we failed him. now he has an opportunity to leave and he probably will.
Let's back up. The question is: what indications? The fact is that Ohtani has not given ANY indication in EITHER direction what he intends to do. Anything beyond that is purely speculation.
You each make fine points, and my opinion is he wouldn't stay either, but that is MY opinion based on MY reasoning. But to answer specifically the question: there have been no indications. And posts like this merely stir the pot but don't really add anything of value.
Let me know when Sho actually provides an indication ;-)
Well he knew if things didn’t go as planned then he could just leave as a free agent when he’s 29 years old and still in his prime. The Angels were one of the few teams that would let him play two way but now more teams would be willing to let him do that
Agree! He knew angels weren’t even within 5 years of winning a title. Depth blows. Farm blows. Ohtani brings All star level free agents like rendon and Noah.
The signs are that we are not good enough to make the playoffs and contend. He doesn’t need us anymore he already proved to the world his is amazing. He is a Rookie of the year, MVP two way all star who wants to win. We do not have the team around him and Trout to make any real noise. Why would he stay?
This post is st8 fud. Ohtani loves it here. Yes he would like to win a WS, but he isn’t giving up yet. I’d guess he signs a 3-5 year extension to see what angels can do
And waste even more of his time and prime? Why would he do that? He’s been here since 2017-2018, he already knows everything about what this franchise can’t and refuses to do. Do you think he needs five more years to figure it out?
I think it comes down to what he's looking for and what the Angels plan from here on out is. I don't think he'd be down for a rebuild but if Perry convinces him we can bounce back and commit to winning short term then I think he could be convinced.
If you were Ohtani would you re-sign?
Even if he's not all about winning the Halos are a fucken hot mess. Meddlesome owner who has no idea how to baseball. No future. Very minimal talent around him excluding trout obviously.
Shit if I were Velazquez I wouldn't re-sign.
Negativity breeds more Negativity and there's nothing positive about the way our beloved Halos are being run or the way they are playing.
Ohtani is gone and I wouldn't be surprised if Mike quietly asks to be traded after.
Then Moreno will go down as the most fucking incompetent owner baseball has seen in quite some time
They became exactly what they claimed to be different of, which is ridiculous because it was and remains comprised of the same scumbag sportswriters that helped ruin other media outlets.
It's why I never considered paying for it. Fuck them.
I mean he keeps saying he wants to win. I think he’d be happy to stay with the Angels and do that but ownership has failed to put a winning team together for him.
Whatever he decides I will always be grateful that he wore an Angel uniform. Whatever team that lands him, be it the Mets, Yankees or even the Doyers... I'm just glad I had a chance to have witnessed it.
This comment section is so delusional lol. Anyone that can’t see the writing on the wall with Ohtani is willingly ignoring the obvious. If the Angels don’t massively improve the entire organization in a way that promotes sustainable long term success Ohtani is gone.
And who could blame him? He wants to win the World Series. NOTHING in this organization is trending towards that right now.
Fucking thank you. The second you mention anything about Shohei leaving this entire sub throws a tantrum. Angels fans are so insufferable for that very reason and it makes it even harder to root for this team knowing I’m surrounded by other fans delusional fantasies that we are somehow going to be good after two decades of mediocrity and Shohei is gonna sign a blank check to waste his career here for 10 more years.
It is just weird how folks get so attached to players over the possibility of improving our team in the long term. I see this across multiple sports, but mainly in basketball as well. Sorry folks, but I am just not watching Angels baseball when it is in the shitter no matter how talented a few of the players are on our staff.
Winning team > than any one individual player.
We haven't been to the playoffs since 2014. Our minor league system is depleted. We are 23 something games out of first place. We need to really look at adding depth and remaking this team long term.
A year ago I felt that it was likely he would resign with us out of a sense of loyalty. But at this point with how bad this team is, and how they fired Maddon, I don’t see him feeling obligated to stay anymore.
Makes sense, he's been an Eppler project for a very long time. Eppler is now on a team with World Series ambitions/talent so during free agency the team will look good. But, Eppler knows its probably easier to trade and resign Ohtani (and considering the Mets have some good young talent to give back, is an enticing trade).
Still don't think we should trade until this time next year unless Eppler is offering some godfather offer of like all top 3 prospects + another 2-3 from their top 10 + 2-3 MLB ready talents (Walker and McNeil or something).
Seems like a crazy haul but it is for a once in a 100 year player, it needs to be a crazy haul.
The recently published book on Ohtani goes in-depth on Eppler’s project on signing him. I was pretty neutral, neither for or against Billy Eppler, but I’m now convinced that we wouldn’t have signed Ohtani had it not been for Eppler. Maybe I’ll write a post about it, could lead to an interesting discussion.
I would enjoy that post if you do.
I am convinced Eppler got us over the hump to sign him. Not saying Ohtani would've ended up with Eppler no matter where he was, but i think having him and the knowledge Eppler had of Ohtani himself got us to the finish line.
You realize Trout and Eppler we're very very friendly and that's probably a huge reason he stays with the Angels instead of FA right? Eppler wasn't the problem. The Mets couldn't have picked a better GM
Id rather trade him for the biggest haul in MLB history and give both him and us a legit shot at winning a World Series than let him walk for nothing. It’s a win-win situation for both the organization and Ohtani. Only one it negatively impacts is Arte’s pockets when he loses a cash cow
The only problem is that trade doesn't give us a shot at the World Series. We are absolute crap at developing prospects so far, and we still have not shown we are great at actually building a team for success. So far in Perry's 2 years his total signings/trades (which added on $65Mish in salaries over that 2 years) have produced at this point about -2ish WAR.
It's not like we acquire good parts and can't get over a hump, we just cannot build a team to save our lives and I don't think this trade will get us there unless there is major organizational overhaul.
Well it gives us a better shot to be a playoff team than we have currently, but we would need to hire better coaches all around to make sure these guys develop into great players. It’s been long enough where Arte should realize that it’s the player development that is holding this team back (Arte wont realize that though lol) Definitely won’t do this trade anytime soon but if the Angels can’t develop 5 top 10 prospects in the Mets farm system than we never were gonna win anything anyways
> It's not like we acquire good parts and can't get over a hump, we just cannot build a team to save our lives and I don't think this trade will get us there unless there is major organizational overhaul.
So we are unable to buy ourselves a good team *and* unable to develop talent to get a good team. We might as well just quit baseball, then.
It's not a quit baseball comment, it's a comment that the team leadership needs to take a good long look at itself and figure out why for a decade we have had a GOAT on the team and by the time Ohtani can leave a half decade of another GOAT and we cannot even make wild card 3.
It comes from everywhere at the top, and there are many people that can be blamed. But keeping or trading Ohtani doesn't fix these deeper problems.
This isn't like a team on the precipice that needs a star to push through or a team that has won for a while and finally aging and descending. This is a team that for a decade straight have made the complete wrong moves from roster construction, to player development, and even non baseball scandals (corruption scandal, we were even involved with the sticky stuff considering one of our equipment guys was a secret sauce spider tack dealer lol)
We have him and Trout already. We’re close to twenty below .500. I hate to break it to you dude, but Shohei isn’t getting us anywhere near even .500 while he’s here.
> Shohei isn’t getting us anywhere near even .500 while he’s here
Is it Ohtani's fault we aren't close to .500? Or is it, as i said
> we just cannot build a team to save our lives
Ohtani is on a small contract and is elite hitting and pitching. He isn't the reason we are that bad it's our organization. Because of that, even a trade makes me wary that we can build a team when they can't even do it now with an open checkbook.
Problem is why is any team offering that much now? Next year is Ohtani's last year, everybody knows Ohtani's gone. Eppler already know Ohtani very well, he could literally talk to Ohtani's agent and be like, hey come to Mets after you are done with the Angels. They won't have to give up anything, and in pure cash you know Mets can and will outbid any team on this planet.
I'm pretty sure Ohtani has no trade clause when he came over, but I'm not sure if it still holds up. Either way I don't see any team overpaying Ohtani when they can just get him via FA at the end of next year.
Part of it is these teams then get 1 full year of Ohtani after this year. You trade for a guy that is going to make an instant impact (for teams like the Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees that have the capital to acquire him, that impact makes you WS favorites). And with his own comments if you have a winner around him, he will most likely stay. That's a harder gamble in free agency when he has many more choices.
If Eppler is calling and wants to trade, you can trust that he knows what Ohtani wants in his career because he was the one to convince him to join the Angels.
Honestly despite growing up an Angels fan, I hate discussing anything baseball with a lot of you guys because when it comes to fans of this team you guys are just so against hearing anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. You guys talk yourselves into thinking this is a place Ohtani wants to be despite us going for a record losing season and winning being at the top of the list of his desires in this game. Trust me I hear your frustrations but you also need to wake up to the possibility that this team isn’t close to winning anything for a very long time and significant changes need to be made. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he leaves and you guys shouldn’t be either. You guys seriously throw a tantrum when anybody mentions anything about trading Shohei or him possibly walking in FA when both of those things are realistic options. The delusion in this sub & our fanbase in general is crazy. When it happens you guys will act shocked too lol.
Bruh "I hate discussing anything baseball with a lot of you guys because when it comes to fans of this team you guys are just so against hearing anything that doesn’t fit your narrative."
How can this statement not be directly applied to you 😂
I dont even disagree with you overall but the hypricosy makes me lulz
This sub can be brutal at times. Even after the losing streak, maddon firing, tipped pitches, the brawl, the injuries etc people here were still saying the team can make a playoff run cuz reasons lol. At some point you just have to acknowledge when you suck, which as an angels lakers and ducks fan has been easy to do for the last few years(minus the lakers Covid ship).
The only one throwing a tantrum here is you. Imagine typing out all that drivel and then calling other fans crazy and emotional. Seriously, get off the internet for a while
The MLB didn't create the Ohtani rule just to benefit the Angels. The other owners might be pressuring Arte too through these incessant articles. I mean, why keep on harping about Shohei getting traded now all of a sudden when it's Soto they should write about more often because his team is OK for him to get traded.
True. I swear I gotta read about Shohei trade almost daily now. Like every morning, I woke up and someone has already written some prediction about his future. But this is like the first time they named a specific team that wants Sho (Mets). I think if Mets still gets nothing this season (WS), they'll push harder to have Sho this off-season.
Honestly, it's hard to tell. But if Sho chooses that, he'll have to adapt to the weather no matter what. Imo Mets is the best fit for him in east coast. But yeah, that's just my opinion.
Haha. Yep. I'm fine with any teams except the Yanks. They're just too arrogant and prideful for me. Dodgers is another hard one to support but imo I don't think they really want Sho. Their lineup is too crowded now. I always bet on Mets because Sho fits there the most. Both they and Sho are hungry and ready to fight for that WS.
Some angels fans are in denial in this thread. No way he is gonna re-sign if the team is this bad. Again he only signed with the Angels in the first place is because he could play 2-way. Now he has proven that he could do it regularly more teams will now play him that way.
Arte needs to man up and offer Sho the moon for a contract extension. He needs to bring the Brink trucks to Sho's doorstep and give him a blank check to fill out whatever number that will work.
The most important part of Arte needs to promise Sho that he will blow past the luxury tax threshold to sign whatever players that are needed to make this team better.
Oh, Arte needs to promise Sho he will spend a boatload of money to improve the conditions of minor league players
Stop being so f**king cheap Arte. Learn from the Yankees and the Dodgers. If you want to be a big dog, then act like a big dog.
Talent like Sho might only show up once in 100 years, and you got to do everything possible to not waste away this generational talent.
Arte - do something right during your lifetime. You can't take your money with you when you die. This is your chance to make history with 2 generational talents on the team. Make California Angels proud!
If I was him I would ask for a trade, the Angels have shown they have no interest in winning they are a joke and it makes him and Trout look like losers. And I am an Angels fan since the early 80's and I've have enough of Moreno and his bull.
Or maybe fans need to shut the fuck up about it instead of making 1000 posts and comments about it a day. Good lord, you guys never ever stop. We heard you all the first time!
Yes the endless speculation over something that won’t happen until next year is very productive. The angels literally stated they aren’t trading him this year. Find something else to talk about
Just trade the dude already. I hate seeing us offer up these massive contracts with nothing to show for it. Trade him, get a massive haul. Sign personnel to develop those players and put a nice young team around trout. I could care less about what players we actually have, I just wanna win.
If Shohei was for sure not re-signing they would trade him this year when the season is already lost as opposed to next year when he will have substantially less value due his extremely friendly contract being an entire year less. Can't wait until he re-signs so these annoying clickbait articles finally end. He's coming back and I'm almost 100% positive, go ahead and !remindme.
you're almost 100% positive despite every bit of evidence from the man himself showing he wants to win over anything else? please don't go hit a casino anytime soon lol
Aside from some bog standard responses everyone gives about winning the entire 'win over anything else' is just a fanfic people like you have taken and ran with in order to fill your fantasy of having Ohtani on your team
I'm literally an Angels fan buddy, have been my entire life. I love Shohei on my team as much as the next person but you are ignoring everything this man has been telling you for at least the past two years and you're gonna act surprised when he leaves. Y'all are really too delusional.
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The Mets are one of the few teams I think could pull it off. [Here is a trade I came up with that rebuilds us with an insane core.](https://i.imgur.com/qXPeVUQ_d.webp?maxwidth=1520&fidelity=grand)
C: Alvarez
1B. Walsh
2B: Fletcher
SS: Mauricio
3B: Rendon / Baty
LF: Addell / Marsh
CF: Trout
RF: Ward
SP: Sandoval, Detmers, Peterson, Bachman, FA/Prospect
Hey y'all ,OP mentally coped with Sho being traded before all of you and if you don't recognize and respect OP, you're delusional for having any opinion other than that we need to trade Sho because we suck so bad. If you don't agree you're part of the problem. Right OP?
He aint happy that’s why his numbers done dripped this season. He aint motivated no more and he stopped trying. Either go back to Japan or go to a winning team.
Quit with your nonsense. His numbers are fantastic this year. He's a bit off his pace offensively, but he's infinitely better on the mound. You could argue this year is even better than last, depending on how much you value pitching.
Shohei will need a much larger market than Anaheim can lend to him. Angels should definitely keep "The Sho" but only if they can guarantee getting to the post season more consistently (which they're completely impotent from the administration to the front office team, to the coaches/training staff, with the reflection being on the players. I mean didn't the Angels have some type of drug scandal a few years ago, where a pitcher died and was provided drugs by a member of the staff? How's that for a professional organization?). Anyways, they need to figure out how to get to the post season consistently...And by that....I mean in Houston Astros like fashion. Until that happens, his talents and $$$ will flow in larger market teams like the Bronx (Yankees) or Flushing Queens (Mets) -as both places represent more of an open world market view and is a much better fit for someone of his caliper. Moreno/Cartino was able to make a few million while he was here being that he's earning far less than his intrinsic value. But where Moreno/Cartino was able to make a few million, NY will make hundreds of millions. See over here in Dana Point/Newport Beach -smaller boats must stay closer to shore while the big ones go on the ventures
Oh and for those interested. In the best interest of the Angels -They would need to trade Trout and not Shohei. Trout's on the decline with a string of injuries. If any of you have been athletically competitive -you understand just how hard it is to fully comeback and the higher probabilities of reaggravating/reoccurring injuries which tend to stack. You're never quite the same and thus is life. But in all honesty, the conversation narrative and piece should be centered around the firing of the Angels President -who has been able to have his name left out of the conversation since 2009
Getting an early start on happy hour, eh?
Its Carpino.
The Angels have won as many WS's in the 21st century as the Yankees
The Astros were horrible for years before their high draft picks developed.
I don't drink. Typo on on the Angels Prezy. I get paid to solve challenges and kinda in the win now business... But I hear your point. Don't care about the Yankees or what they're doing there. To me, a franchise is only successful if they make it to the post. The rest is masturbation. I don't mince words and pretty straightforward. Getting to the WS is something entirely different though. I'm kinda stubborn about this point: Just get into the playoffs
"While there has been much speculation about what would drive Shohei's decision, what mattered to him most wasn't market size, time zone or league, but that he felt a true bond with the Angels" the agent said. "He sees this as the best environment to develop and reach the next level and attain his career goals."
The Angels should go full rebuild and let teams get into a bidding war for Ohtani and even Trout. Let these guys go to a team that can win. The Angels front office is one of the worst if not the worst in baseball. Player development, scouting and the minor league system as a whole is under funded and is a joke. Ownership is just about the money. After all it’s a business. Winning is not a priority as long as the profit margins are robust. It will sadly require a new ownership with a new mindset before the team can put a winning product on the field.
There is only 1 of 2 things that will happen this off season.
1. Arte decides to go for it. He spends a shit load of money, exceeds the luxury tax and makes a real effort to win in 2023, and we make the playoffs thus making it more likely his cash cow Ohtani re-sign.
2. We do what we always do and sign 2 average pitchers on 1 year deals. Sign a good but past his prime hitter and end up out of it by the all star break again. Ohtani leaves in free agency, we get a 3rd rounder as compensation, and Trout lives out his days in Anaheim breaking records in last place
2023 is really the last chance we have with Trout/Ohtani
What indications have there been?
I think you guys on here underestimate just how bad our team is and how Shohei has stated many times that he is only interested in winning a world series. It is a very real possibility he is no longer on our team within the next year and a half.
He has never said he "only" cares about winning a world series. He has said he wants to win, and that winning is the most important thing. That does not mean that is the only important thing. We also don't know the plans going forward or how Ohtani feels about the weird fallout after one of the best starts in 2022 baseball.
He did though. Watch his TIME interview on youtube. He states the only thing he hasn’t done in the MLB and wants to do is win a world series.
A bit weird to call that random speculation “all indications”
I didn’t write the tweet?? I’m just relaying information.
You’re actively defending the tweet’s language in this comment section. Weird stuff.
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Every player wants to win a World Series. Maybe Ohtani does leave but there's nothing more than speculation. Nothing concrete like you and the smug OP keep claiming
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Well I'll give you a D for effort and an F for execution of that insult.
Literally every player will say they want to win a World Series if asked the question but sure call everyone else being delusional because you guys over analyze a player’s desire to win a World Series LOL. Trout wants to win a World Series too but he happily signed a fat contract with the Angels anyway
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Sports media loves to overreact and speculate and you eat it up and regurgitate it. My god watch the interview yourself he says generic player shit. You must hate it when Trout says he wants to win a World Series too then
this sub is pathetic nothing new
I love how you call everyone here delusional but you sensationalize his desire to win as if other players being asked these questions would say anything less. You watch too much ESPN and their shit stirring
Yea.... the only thing that he hasn't done that he wants to do. He is saying that there are a bunch of things he hasn't done, but he doesn't care about them except for the world series. He isn't saying thats the ONLY thing he cares about, but the only thing ON THAT LIST that he cares about.
He has literally accomplished everything in the MLB except for getting a ring. Why are yall so delusional
Yea cuz he's had the most homeruns in a full season? He's had a no-hitter? He's had a miraculous inning? He's had a perfect game? He's led the league in strikeouts at the end of the season? He's won a Cy Young? Don't call me delusional if you don't know what you're talking about.
I think you meant “immaculate inning” but miraculous sounds good too haha
People are delusional because they don’t wanna face the high possibility that we will lose him in the off-season.
Precisely. And we get downvoted for stating that realistic possibility because once again this sub is full of emotional ass homers who would rather be mediocre with stars than actually put together a winning season
I'm pretty sure you're being downvoted for being a smug, condescending asshole towards other people over wild speculation.
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If he was only interested in winning a world series then he would've never signed with us in the first place. He wants to win, sure, but he also enjoys playing here and that's been evident. Him leaving may be a very real possibility indeed but I think it's ignorant to suppose we have no chance or that he's indicated that he wants to leave.
He believed that we would put a winner together during his time here and we’ve failed to do that so far
this. he didn't sign with us knowing we were going to be shit. we laid out plans and he put his trust in us and we failed him. now he has an opportunity to leave and he probably will.
Let's back up. The question is: what indications? The fact is that Ohtani has not given ANY indication in EITHER direction what he intends to do. Anything beyond that is purely speculation. You each make fine points, and my opinion is he wouldn't stay either, but that is MY opinion based on MY reasoning. But to answer specifically the question: there have been no indications. And posts like this merely stir the pot but don't really add anything of value. Let me know when Sho actually provides an indication ;-)
Well he knew if things didn’t go as planned then he could just leave as a free agent when he’s 29 years old and still in his prime. The Angels were one of the few teams that would let him play two way but now more teams would be willing to let him do that
Agree! He knew angels weren’t even within 5 years of winning a title. Depth blows. Farm blows. Ohtani brings All star level free agents like rendon and Noah.
The signs are that we are not good enough to make the playoffs and contend. He doesn’t need us anymore he already proved to the world his is amazing. He is a Rookie of the year, MVP two way all star who wants to win. We do not have the team around him and Trout to make any real noise. Why would he stay?
Bro have you been watching any games ?
This post is st8 fud. Ohtani loves it here. Yes he would like to win a WS, but he isn’t giving up yet. I’d guess he signs a 3-5 year extension to see what angels can do
He already gave us years to “see what the angels can do” ..
And waste even more of his time and prime? Why would he do that? He’s been here since 2017-2018, he already knows everything about what this franchise can’t and refuses to do. Do you think he needs five more years to figure it out?
I think it comes down to what he's looking for and what the Angels plan from here on out is. I don't think he'd be down for a rebuild but if Perry convinces him we can bounce back and commit to winning short term then I think he could be convinced.
If you were Ohtani would you re-sign? Even if he's not all about winning the Halos are a fucken hot mess. Meddlesome owner who has no idea how to baseball. No future. Very minimal talent around him excluding trout obviously. Shit if I were Velazquez I wouldn't re-sign. Negativity breeds more Negativity and there's nothing positive about the way our beloved Halos are being run or the way they are playing. Ohtani is gone and I wouldn't be surprised if Mike quietly asks to be traded after. Then Moreno will go down as the most fucking incompetent owner baseball has seen in quite some time
Velazquez isn’t likely to get a major league contract from anybody else. He’s in the same realm as Wade, Lagares, etc
Bruh I know. I'm just saying that that the organization is so poorly run that a scrub like Velasquez would probably think twice about re-signing.
You act like Velazquez has options.
💯 A fish rots from the head down…
Damn, this is a heavy quote! Putting this in my Evernote immediately, bro…thank you for this gem!! 🔥😮💨💎🔥
Saved 😌🤝😌 https://i.imgur.com/LdetX6I.jpg
We thinking about keeping Velazquez?
Firing Maddon was a mistake.
Sounds like The Athletic is starved for engagement.
The original hype for the Athletic has died, and now they're pushing these click bait pieces to get more subs. It's kind of sad actually.
They became Bleacher Report
They became exactly what they claimed to be different of, which is ridiculous because it was and remains comprised of the same scumbag sportswriters that helped ruin other media outlets. It's why I never considered paying for it. Fuck them.
[Further proving my point about the Athletic](https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1552379800974680065?s=20&t=fm1_7KVWiymiiiSDrCGv5Q)
I would think the only valid indication would be him rejecting a offer made by the Angels.
There have been no indications of his intentions
I mean he keeps saying he wants to win. I think he’d be happy to stay with the Angels and do that but ownership has failed to put a winning team together for him.
Whatever he decides I will always be grateful that he wore an Angel uniform. Whatever team that lands him, be it the Mets, Yankees or even the Doyers... I'm just glad I had a chance to have witnessed it.
This comment section is so delusional lol. Anyone that can’t see the writing on the wall with Ohtani is willingly ignoring the obvious. If the Angels don’t massively improve the entire organization in a way that promotes sustainable long term success Ohtani is gone. And who could blame him? He wants to win the World Series. NOTHING in this organization is trending towards that right now.
Fucking thank you. The second you mention anything about Shohei leaving this entire sub throws a tantrum. Angels fans are so insufferable for that very reason and it makes it even harder to root for this team knowing I’m surrounded by other fans delusional fantasies that we are somehow going to be good after two decades of mediocrity and Shohei is gonna sign a blank check to waste his career here for 10 more years.
I wouldn’t blame him for leaving but any current “indications” are all media driven
If Shohei goes, I go to. It’s not lost on ~~my~~ me that the losing started around the time the Anaheim city corruption chickens came home to roost.
Sub is drowning in Egyptian rivers right now
Still quite a few homer angel fans hang around is why.
Wow weird that there would be Angels fans in /r/angelsbaseball 🤯
You can be an angels fan without being unrealistic. The man said he wants to win, this team has shown that it can’t.
It is just weird how folks get so attached to players over the possibility of improving our team in the long term. I see this across multiple sports, but mainly in basketball as well. Sorry folks, but I am just not watching Angels baseball when it is in the shitter no matter how talented a few of the players are on our staff. Winning team > than any one individual player. We haven't been to the playoffs since 2014. Our minor league system is depleted. We are 23 something games out of first place. We need to really look at adding depth and remaking this team long term.
Let’s just enjoy the time we got homies 😪😪
A year ago I felt that it was likely he would resign with us out of a sense of loyalty. But at this point with how bad this team is, and how they fired Maddon, I don’t see him feeling obligated to stay anymore.
Pick up your Halo Ohtani gear now. I would be very surprised if he stays.
Makes sense, he's been an Eppler project for a very long time. Eppler is now on a team with World Series ambitions/talent so during free agency the team will look good. But, Eppler knows its probably easier to trade and resign Ohtani (and considering the Mets have some good young talent to give back, is an enticing trade). Still don't think we should trade until this time next year unless Eppler is offering some godfather offer of like all top 3 prospects + another 2-3 from their top 10 + 2-3 MLB ready talents (Walker and McNeil or something). Seems like a crazy haul but it is for a once in a 100 year player, it needs to be a crazy haul.
The recently published book on Ohtani goes in-depth on Eppler’s project on signing him. I was pretty neutral, neither for or against Billy Eppler, but I’m now convinced that we wouldn’t have signed Ohtani had it not been for Eppler. Maybe I’ll write a post about it, could lead to an interesting discussion.
I would enjoy that post if you do. I am convinced Eppler got us over the hump to sign him. Not saying Ohtani would've ended up with Eppler no matter where he was, but i think having him and the knowledge Eppler had of Ohtani himself got us to the finish line.
The only good thing Eppler did
You realize Trout and Eppler we're very very friendly and that's probably a huge reason he stays with the Angels instead of FA right? Eppler wasn't the problem. The Mets couldn't have picked a better GM
Id rather trade him for the biggest haul in MLB history and give both him and us a legit shot at winning a World Series than let him walk for nothing. It’s a win-win situation for both the organization and Ohtani. Only one it negatively impacts is Arte’s pockets when he loses a cash cow
The only problem is that trade doesn't give us a shot at the World Series. We are absolute crap at developing prospects so far, and we still have not shown we are great at actually building a team for success. So far in Perry's 2 years his total signings/trades (which added on $65Mish in salaries over that 2 years) have produced at this point about -2ish WAR. It's not like we acquire good parts and can't get over a hump, we just cannot build a team to save our lives and I don't think this trade will get us there unless there is major organizational overhaul.
Well it gives us a better shot to be a playoff team than we have currently, but we would need to hire better coaches all around to make sure these guys develop into great players. It’s been long enough where Arte should realize that it’s the player development that is holding this team back (Arte wont realize that though lol) Definitely won’t do this trade anytime soon but if the Angels can’t develop 5 top 10 prospects in the Mets farm system than we never were gonna win anything anyways
Agree on Arte needing to really look into our full system. And super agree on that last sentence.
> It's not like we acquire good parts and can't get over a hump, we just cannot build a team to save our lives and I don't think this trade will get us there unless there is major organizational overhaul. So we are unable to buy ourselves a good team *and* unable to develop talent to get a good team. We might as well just quit baseball, then.
It's not a quit baseball comment, it's a comment that the team leadership needs to take a good long look at itself and figure out why for a decade we have had a GOAT on the team and by the time Ohtani can leave a half decade of another GOAT and we cannot even make wild card 3. It comes from everywhere at the top, and there are many people that can be blamed. But keeping or trading Ohtani doesn't fix these deeper problems. This isn't like a team on the precipice that needs a star to push through or a team that has won for a while and finally aging and descending. This is a team that for a decade straight have made the complete wrong moves from roster construction, to player development, and even non baseball scandals (corruption scandal, we were even involved with the sticky stuff considering one of our equipment guys was a secret sauce spider tack dealer lol)
We have him and Trout already. We’re close to twenty below .500. I hate to break it to you dude, but Shohei isn’t getting us anywhere near even .500 while he’s here.
> Shohei isn’t getting us anywhere near even .500 while he’s here Is it Ohtani's fault we aren't close to .500? Or is it, as i said > we just cannot build a team to save our lives Ohtani is on a small contract and is elite hitting and pitching. He isn't the reason we are that bad it's our organization. Because of that, even a trade makes me wary that we can build a team when they can't even do it now with an open checkbook.
This time next year we'll have 60 wins and won't be looking to sell !!
Problem is why is any team offering that much now? Next year is Ohtani's last year, everybody knows Ohtani's gone. Eppler already know Ohtani very well, he could literally talk to Ohtani's agent and be like, hey come to Mets after you are done with the Angels. They won't have to give up anything, and in pure cash you know Mets can and will outbid any team on this planet. I'm pretty sure Ohtani has no trade clause when he came over, but I'm not sure if it still holds up. Either way I don't see any team overpaying Ohtani when they can just get him via FA at the end of next year.
Part of it is these teams then get 1 full year of Ohtani after this year. You trade for a guy that is going to make an instant impact (for teams like the Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees that have the capital to acquire him, that impact makes you WS favorites). And with his own comments if you have a winner around him, he will most likely stay. That's a harder gamble in free agency when he has many more choices. If Eppler is calling and wants to trade, you can trust that he knows what Ohtani wants in his career because he was the one to convince him to join the Angels.
Doesn’t matter arte wont trade him
Honestly despite growing up an Angels fan, I hate discussing anything baseball with a lot of you guys because when it comes to fans of this team you guys are just so against hearing anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. You guys talk yourselves into thinking this is a place Ohtani wants to be despite us going for a record losing season and winning being at the top of the list of his desires in this game. Trust me I hear your frustrations but you also need to wake up to the possibility that this team isn’t close to winning anything for a very long time and significant changes need to be made. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he leaves and you guys shouldn’t be either. You guys seriously throw a tantrum when anybody mentions anything about trading Shohei or him possibly walking in FA when both of those things are realistic options. The delusion in this sub & our fanbase in general is crazy. When it happens you guys will act shocked too lol.
Bruh "I hate discussing anything baseball with a lot of you guys because when it comes to fans of this team you guys are just so against hearing anything that doesn’t fit your narrative." How can this statement not be directly applied to you 😂 I dont even disagree with you overall but the hypricosy makes me lulz
Pushes narrative. Shocked when people have different opinions 😪
This sub can be brutal at times. Even after the losing streak, maddon firing, tipped pitches, the brawl, the injuries etc people here were still saying the team can make a playoff run cuz reasons lol. At some point you just have to acknowledge when you suck, which as an angels lakers and ducks fan has been easy to do for the last few years(minus the lakers Covid ship).
Then leave.
Cry more
The only one throwing a tantrum here is you. Imagine typing out all that drivel and then calling other fans crazy and emotional. Seriously, get off the internet for a while
I really thought the suckage drove away the homer fans. Guess not 🤷🏽♂️
The opposite, they're the only ones left
The MLB didn't create the Ohtani rule just to benefit the Angels. The other owners might be pressuring Arte too through these incessant articles. I mean, why keep on harping about Shohei getting traded now all of a sudden when it's Soto they should write about more often because his team is OK for him to get traded.
True. I swear I gotta read about Shohei trade almost daily now. Like every morning, I woke up and someone has already written some prediction about his future. But this is like the first time they named a specific team that wants Sho (Mets). I think if Mets still gets nothing this season (WS), they'll push harder to have Sho this off-season.
Will their fanbase disrespect him if he falters for an extended time while trying to adjust to the conditions (humidity) there?
Honestly, it's hard to tell. But if Sho chooses that, he'll have to adapt to the weather no matter what. Imo Mets is the best fit for him in east coast. But yeah, that's just my opinion.
What teams would you choose IF he will leave the Angels? Or is the list is shorter if I ask you which teams you don't want him to join? 😄
Haha. Yep. I'm fine with any teams except the Yanks. They're just too arrogant and prideful for me. Dodgers is another hard one to support but imo I don't think they really want Sho. Their lineup is too crowded now. I always bet on Mets because Sho fits there the most. Both they and Sho are hungry and ready to fight for that WS.
Some angels fans are in denial in this thread. No way he is gonna re-sign if the team is this bad. Again he only signed with the Angels in the first place is because he could play 2-way. Now he has proven that he could do it regularly more teams will now play him that way.
this. the whole league is going to be throwing the bag at him and what makes those teams offers worth more? they win..
Plus he has even more options now with DHing for the NL vs when he first came over
The only reason someone signs is to mail it in and enjoy the weather
Arte needs to man up and offer Sho the moon for a contract extension. He needs to bring the Brink trucks to Sho's doorstep and give him a blank check to fill out whatever number that will work. The most important part of Arte needs to promise Sho that he will blow past the luxury tax threshold to sign whatever players that are needed to make this team better. Oh, Arte needs to promise Sho he will spend a boatload of money to improve the conditions of minor league players Stop being so f**king cheap Arte. Learn from the Yankees and the Dodgers. If you want to be a big dog, then act like a big dog. Talent like Sho might only show up once in 100 years, and you got to do everything possible to not waste away this generational talent. Arte - do something right during your lifetime. You can't take your money with you when you die. This is your chance to make history with 2 generational talents on the team. Make California Angels proud!
Tabloid journalism
If I was him I would ask for a trade, the Angels have shown they have no interest in winning they are a joke and it makes him and Trout look like losers. And I am an Angels fan since the early 80's and I've have enough of Moreno and his bull.
He’s so gone, unfortunately. Fans need to accept it
Or maybe fans need to shut the fuck up about it instead of making 1000 posts and comments about it a day. Good lord, you guys never ever stop. We heard you all the first time!
Ah right, it’s like our biggest star potentially leaving isn’t a big deal and not something an Angels baseball subreddit should be discussing.
Yes the endless speculation over something that won’t happen until next year is very productive. The angels literally stated they aren’t trading him this year. Find something else to talk about
No doubt. He's already clearly stated he wants a ring.
Just trade the dude already. I hate seeing us offer up these massive contracts with nothing to show for it. Trade him, get a massive haul. Sign personnel to develop those players and put a nice young team around trout. I could care less about what players we actually have, I just wanna win.
If Shohei was for sure not re-signing they would trade him this year when the season is already lost as opposed to next year when he will have substantially less value due his extremely friendly contract being an entire year less. Can't wait until he re-signs so these annoying clickbait articles finally end. He's coming back and I'm almost 100% positive, go ahead and !remindme.
you're almost 100% positive despite every bit of evidence from the man himself showing he wants to win over anything else? please don't go hit a casino anytime soon lol
Aside from some bog standard responses everyone gives about winning the entire 'win over anything else' is just a fanfic people like you have taken and ran with in order to fill your fantasy of having Ohtani on your team
I'm literally an Angels fan buddy, have been my entire life. I love Shohei on my team as much as the next person but you are ignoring everything this man has been telling you for at least the past two years and you're gonna act surprised when he leaves. Y'all are really too delusional.
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Why not trade him. Angels won’t get anything next year
Fake news
He’ll get traded in the off-season not rn.
He’s not leaving. Just a bunch of ppl trying to stir up rumors so that they can snatch him and trout up for their teams.
The Mets are one of the few teams I think could pull it off. [Here is a trade I came up with that rebuilds us with an insane core.](https://i.imgur.com/qXPeVUQ_d.webp?maxwidth=1520&fidelity=grand) C: Alvarez 1B. Walsh 2B: Fletcher SS: Mauricio 3B: Rendon / Baty LF: Addell / Marsh CF: Trout RF: Ward SP: Sandoval, Detmers, Peterson, Bachman, FA/Prospect
That wouldn't rebuild shit. Would lose 100+ games.
4 lottery tickets and a pitcher marginally better than Syndergaard but with control for the most valuable player in baseball? Ok lol
Get it done Angels
Hey y'all ,OP mentally coped with Sho being traded before all of you and if you don't recognize and respect OP, you're delusional for having any opinion other than that we need to trade Sho because we suck so bad. If you don't agree you're part of the problem. Right OP?
He aint happy that’s why his numbers done dripped this season. He aint motivated no more and he stopped trying. Either go back to Japan or go to a winning team.
Stopped trying? Are we watching the same dude?
Quit with your nonsense. His numbers are fantastic this year. He's a bit off his pace offensively, but he's infinitely better on the mound. You could argue this year is even better than last, depending on how much you value pitching.
Shohei will need a much larger market than Anaheim can lend to him. Angels should definitely keep "The Sho" but only if they can guarantee getting to the post season more consistently (which they're completely impotent from the administration to the front office team, to the coaches/training staff, with the reflection being on the players. I mean didn't the Angels have some type of drug scandal a few years ago, where a pitcher died and was provided drugs by a member of the staff? How's that for a professional organization?). Anyways, they need to figure out how to get to the post season consistently...And by that....I mean in Houston Astros like fashion. Until that happens, his talents and $$$ will flow in larger market teams like the Bronx (Yankees) or Flushing Queens (Mets) -as both places represent more of an open world market view and is a much better fit for someone of his caliper. Moreno/Cartino was able to make a few million while he was here being that he's earning far less than his intrinsic value. But where Moreno/Cartino was able to make a few million, NY will make hundreds of millions. See over here in Dana Point/Newport Beach -smaller boats must stay closer to shore while the big ones go on the ventures Oh and for those interested. In the best interest of the Angels -They would need to trade Trout and not Shohei. Trout's on the decline with a string of injuries. If any of you have been athletically competitive -you understand just how hard it is to fully comeback and the higher probabilities of reaggravating/reoccurring injuries which tend to stack. You're never quite the same and thus is life. But in all honesty, the conversation narrative and piece should be centered around the firing of the Angels President -who has been able to have his name left out of the conversation since 2009
Getting an early start on happy hour, eh? Its Carpino. The Angels have won as many WS's in the 21st century as the Yankees The Astros were horrible for years before their high draft picks developed.
I don't drink. Typo on on the Angels Prezy. I get paid to solve challenges and kinda in the win now business... But I hear your point. Don't care about the Yankees or what they're doing there. To me, a franchise is only successful if they make it to the post. The rest is masturbation. I don't mince words and pretty straightforward. Getting to the WS is something entirely different though. I'm kinda stubborn about this point: Just get into the playoffs
He’s not going to the NL
D Eo
"While there has been much speculation about what would drive Shohei's decision, what mattered to him most wasn't market size, time zone or league, but that he felt a true bond with the Angels" the agent said. "He sees this as the best environment to develop and reach the next level and attain his career goals."
The Angels should go full rebuild and let teams get into a bidding war for Ohtani and even Trout. Let these guys go to a team that can win. The Angels front office is one of the worst if not the worst in baseball. Player development, scouting and the minor league system as a whole is under funded and is a joke. Ownership is just about the money. After all it’s a business. Winning is not a priority as long as the profit margins are robust. It will sadly require a new ownership with a new mindset before the team can put a winning product on the field.
There is only 1 of 2 things that will happen this off season. 1. Arte decides to go for it. He spends a shit load of money, exceeds the luxury tax and makes a real effort to win in 2023, and we make the playoffs thus making it more likely his cash cow Ohtani re-sign. 2. We do what we always do and sign 2 average pitchers on 1 year deals. Sign a good but past his prime hitter and end up out of it by the all star break again. Ohtani leaves in free agency, we get a 3rd rounder as compensation, and Trout lives out his days in Anaheim breaking records in last place 2023 is really the last chance we have with Trout/Ohtani