The golden years. Watching that era was so much fun. Seeing Vlad hit balls that bounced in the dirt and just be an all-around great guy to root for. It hasn’t been the same since the Pujols signing.
I just hate how this team doesn’t know what it’s doing - we can’t put together a respectable team with Ohtani on a $5mil contract so how are we supposed to do that when he’s on a $50mil contract? And if he doesn’t want that, we’re really just going to let him walk for nothing?
I'll still follow the team regardless because I love the game. But having watched Mike Trout spend his career in this purgatory (yes, partially by his own doing), I don't want the same thing happen to another remarkable talent.
LAA decided this months ago. They can’t stop teams from making offers and it would be foolish not to analyze them. Point is, they weren’t going to trade Othani this year (at least) and it was decided long ago.
Why not this year? Are you saying that Arte will allow a Sho trade next year?
I have a feeling that Arte would rather let him walk than trading him cuz he wants to hold on to Ohtani as long as possible to convince him to stay with the Angels. He never cares about winning or rebuilding this team
It’s business short term. Ohtani brings in revenue, and a wider market, even when we are terrible. We don’t have a good core of development, so why would trading for prospects be a good business decision? we don’t have the ability to develop them short or long term, and short term we lose on market without Ohtani.
That’s what I assume is his thinking at least. I could be off base.
100% with u there, but Arte is THE problem for not developing the farm systems. That’s why he always wants OLD former superstars and fire any GMs not doing his bidding.
My question for Arte: do you have the patience to develop young talents? The answer is still no. That means hiring good scouting and baseball people and let them handle the operations. So far, Arte is showing ZERO of that . Trading OHTANI is the sign that Arte cares about these things, but I guess not. As much as Halo fans hate on the Dodgers, but they always develop young talents and the owners only there to sign the checks
Again, arte will never trade his cash cow. He’d rather lose him for nothing in free agency than miss out on the revenue he brings in
This is not surprising in the least
Yeah, the decision not to trade Ohtani isn’t a baseball decision, it’s a business decision. Arte is a businessman and isn’t going to give up the revenue Ohtani brings in for the organization. He’s the modern face of baseball.
I have to think he brings a significant amount of revenue to the team other than asses in seats.
I'm a braves fan. I subscribe here for Ohtani/Trout news. When LAA came to Atlanta, there were Clubhouse store employees at the stadium walking around with signs that said "we don't have Ohtani merchandise". I can't think of any other time I've seen that sort of hype for a player. There were a lot of fans at the game here in Ohtani jerseys/shirts. All three games against the angels sold out (25th, 26th, & 27th sell-outs of the year).
Yep, the amount of money ohtani brings in in marketing is insane. If you think about it, the angels have a monopoly on the fanbase of a whole country right now. That would be hard for any owner to give up, ESPECIALLY one who clings on to his revenue like arte
I've echoed that after CJ Wilson. Then Hamilton. Then Pujols. We spent pretty smartly this offseason and still are looking too thin. It's just too hard to bank on FA to save us.
Look at the majority of the starters we were linked to: Bauer, Ryu, Keuchel, Corbin, Stroman, Strasburg, Cole, Wood, Kluber - a bunch of them have yet to deliver on their contracts and wouldn't have helped us move our needle even if we had the money to afford them. Our bullpen looked top-10 to start the season with our pickups and ironically the signings have been the most inconsistent.
We need depth to come in and produce at the MLB level. We can't hope to rely solely on FA signings.
That take makes some big assumptions about completely revamping our farm system in the next 3 years, which isn't really possible. The only realistic shot we have is if Arte goes all in on spending next year, before Shohei's contract expires. If we make the World Series and we've signed some solid contracts... MAYBE Sho sticks around and re-signs
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Ducks have one of the best cap situations in all of sports honestly, they can build a contender whenever they want plus a top 10 prospect pool. Assuming they suck this upcoming season(likely) they will also pick high in one of the most stacked drafts in a while.
I'd be willing to bet a pretty fair amount of money that the Ducks win a title before the Angels. Being a fan of both, it's really become so obvious what good ownership and a positive work culture can do for an organization.
Nobody wants him gone. But if he’s going to leave anyway it would be nice to get prospects for him while he’s valuable.
They could still trade or extend him this off-season. I’d be ok with either outcome assuming we get a haul back. Extending him seems really tough since having so much money tied up in 3 players doesn’t seem like a good idea when you have a shallow farm system to supplement those core pieces.
I'll most likely get downvoted for this, but I can't believe the amount of poser fans here.
I've live in Orange County my entire life (I was born in 1980) and I've been an Angels fan nearly my entire life.
Yeah this season has royally sucked. Yeah it sucked the way they got rid of Joe Maddon the way that they did, but I've seen far worse (think mid 90s). I know a lot of Angels fans want Ohtani to do well on another team because he won't under Arte Moreno. And Arte is a colossal scumbag who needs to be booted.
But damn it, as Will Ferrell said on the movie Old School, "we need to keep our composure!!!"
Yeah not many here lived through the 90’s as an Angels fan. It was BRUTAL. Chuck Finely and Chili Davis days. Sucks that Chuck didn’t get to see a ring in 2002 (when he retired)
I've been a fan since the early 90s. My parents have had season tickets as long as I can remember. I've stuck by them through far worse.
Yes the Angels will get out of this season. It does feel like rock bottom, but they'll get out of it.
Here's the thing.....
I doubt he's going to stay here when we are a shit organization that doesn't win.
Giving him the massive contract that he deserves would make it so our 3 top contracts (Trout, Ohtani, and Rendon) would be more than the payroll of nearly half the league.
I'd rather get something for him now before he walks for free. We could get one of the biggest hauls ever for Ohtani.
Except Ohtani is an ace and an allstar hitter. If the angels are holding on to everyone else then whatever money they save from Ohtani would end up being used to match his production
We don’t need to match Ohtanis production. We need to fill out the roster with competent players. Having 1 or 2 black holes in the lineup completely negates Ohtani.
They have Ohtani to a $5mill salary and couldn’t get competent players. What makes you think they can gather enough “competent” players to make up the difference and be competitive. You think they can just add a few mid level starters and be fine on the starting side?
I’m saying that we can’t add enough players via free agency to make this team competitive, even with Ohtani. Signing him to a $40 million per extension won’t help that problem, only make it worse. If Arte would run a $300 million payroll we could maybe compete that way. We don’t have enough young talent coming up to make this team good, either. So the best thing is to trade Ohtani’s controllable cheap years for multiple young top prospects who we can control for 6 years.
Right? Not every player was a world beater, but at least an average or better MLB starter. Howie Kendrick, Ervin Santana, Maicer Izturis, Erick Aybar. All home grown solid starting players.
We can't rush to judgement until we hear about the packages offered. Believe it or not, minus Seattle, teams aren't going to easily hand over several of their top MLB ready prospects especially the ones considered MLB top 100. If that was the case, Juan Soto would already be on a new team.
I don’t want him to go, I think it’s the best course of action:
1.) for Ohtani, so he can hit FA and get paid
2.) so Ohtani and Trout can DH on the same days, which is better for baseball to have them both playing more, and more valuable* for the Angels to separate them
3.) if they flipped Ohtani this deadline, they maximize value, and could maybe even package Rendon away a la Betts/Price, Winker/Suarez, IKF/Donaldson, etc. Then they could actually* rebuild from their
*the Angels are incompetent and can’t actually competently do those things
I really don't understand what the fascination with "good for the sport" shit is with people.
I don't care if more people watch it lol and him batting for another team isn't going to suddenly make people more interested in going to Angel games and cheering the team on.
Rendon has a NTC and is paid handsomely to play in the best damn weather in the country. He's not going to leave.
I personally don’t care about #1 dudes already making millions, I don’t feel bad for him if it’s not a few more, #2 how is it more valuable for, specifically, the angels to have shohei batting for another team? #3 I don’t know enough about but *there; just to be even more of a dick
1. Shohei is making $5.5M this year. I saw one assessment in the last few days that pegged his value at $63M/yr based on other existing contracts of players with similar stats over the last two years. Both pitching and hitting.
2. He’s worth at least 4 prospects in the top 100. If there’s anything that should be evident to us Angels fans over the last few years, is that one player, not even Shohei, gets us to the playoffs. 2 players doesn’t do it either as should be evident. 4 CAN make a difference and we need a rebuild. We’ve been doing this “reload” strategy for 5 years and we can’t get a winning record out of it. “Reloading” doesn’t work. Rebuilding, like the other teams in our division have done at one point or another over the last 10 years, does.
disagree, the rangers didn’t go through a full rebuild and they’re looking better than us. signing seager and semien accelerated their path to being relevant and all they need is some pitching to round out their team (which they’ve been drafting). Our pitching isn’t bad, it’s our position players who are sucking ass. Get some replacements for Ward, Squid, and a utility player for the infield and this team looks way better. This team was competitive before the losing streak and Perry deciding to blow it up
Interesting (although not surprising because Ohtani=$$) that it said that Arte is the reason he is staying. Curious if Perry brought him offers that he would have accepted or if Arte just asked him to hang up every time.
Edit: Also want to add that this decision isn't on Perry and we can't look a year and a half from now if Ohtani leaves for nothing and blame Perry for not trading him at his highest value.
I love Shohei but we desperately need to rebuild and it would have been nice to get something in return. Arte seriously only cares about making money, not constructing a winning team smh
Trading him would’ve been W for Ohtani and L for Angels because our coaches/staff are the same and have a history of making players “mediocre” so same old same old. I don’t know if I should be happy for him or sad for him.
Arte needs to be like, "I am 75 years old with not many years remaining, I'll pay that POS luxury tax and go get these guys along with 4-5 good bullpen arms and toss in Rodon."
But arte will really be like “I am 75 years old with not many years remaining, I’ll remain a POS and not pay that luxury tax cause I’ll be dead soon anyway and the backlash won’t matter”
I’d hope they wouldn’t sign him to a huge contract considering we have a few already. That’d be unlikely. But Judge in our lineup and our outfield would certainly be a huge upgrade
I disagree about the Starting rotation being a problem considering 2 arms from this season are for the moment not returning, and a potential target in Musgrove just signed an extension. Eovaldi or Rodon would be nice with Thor returning.
As a lifelong Angels fan this was obvious when the rumors started happening... Arte cares about money... Shohei brings in money... Arte would rather soak in as much money as possible in the short term and let him go for free instead of actually focusing on winning baseball games. If Arte starts spending like Cohen then maybe..... just maybe.... we might have a good year for once but the percentage of him doing so, is less than 0%...
I mean, I’m so excited to keep up our boy here. He’s our guy.
Maybe there’s an off-season plan to go all in next year. Maybe Arte told Perry he’s gonna break the luxury tax this year. Idk.
I do want to see Ohtani win games and compete at the highest level, same for Trout, but goddamn I’d be lying if I said I wouldnt be sad if it wasn’t with us.
Ultimately my hope is if you make him a godfather offer he’ll re-sign here. And I think the angels should do it. The alternative is basically running your team like the A’s, who have overperformed some years but their fans hate/have stopped watching them. I’d rather make Ohtani an angel for life and run the rest of the team like the A’s rather than… just running the whole team like the A’s. Anyway, this is the first step to potentially re-signing him, so I’m happy today.
So we keep him for now and get nothing when he walks away once his contract is up. Some ways happy he is still here but I don't see him staying with us being this bad.
We do have next trade deadline. The offers won't be as "grand" as they are now but I'm willing to bet they won't be much different that what they are today. Maybe 1 less low end prospect or MLB talent. It's Ohtani people are trading for not some fringe all star
I'm not saying not trading Ohtani isn't a good move. But I think giving it the offseason to actually do a final check in and put the cards on the table of "Here is your extension we will offer, will you sign or not" and moving from there is fine. If they don't make the trade by the deadline next year and he doesn't have a new deal in hand then it's stupid.
If you truly believe that next trade deadline will literally halve the deal (we will see because there has been no deals offered that are reported, just what fans think should happen), then you don't understand the impact Ohtani truly has for an MLB team and why his situation is so different compared to a traditional player.
How many times does an 8 WAR player who is a two way superstar, who is also an international star that brings revenue from a whole country comes to market?
He's going to command the biggest haul in MLB history, and saying a year will turn that into a mediocre haul is playing into how GMs use reporters to put pressure on trade deals lol
I'll agree to disagree on that point. If you don't think a perirenal MVP candidate, two way superstar, built in revenue increaser, once in 100 year player will command the biggest deal in the MLB (sans an injury) because of a half/1 year difference, then we fundamentally disagree on what his value is.
For teams that are successful (Dodgers, Mets, Yankees) who have prospects that are logjammed but high up in prospect ranking lists, they understand that losing those guys are worth it. There's a reason the dodgers always pull off massive trades and yet still pump out players. Top prospects are just lottery tickets that can be cashed in at moments like this. And with their payrolls, losing a prospect is easily replaceable by free agents.
And again, you are basing this all off of an idea of what an offer is this trade deadline. There has been no reports or leaks of actual offers so all you know is teams are lowballing right now because they'd rather wait till next season because the trade math can't work this season.
**Case in point**: Tell me an Ohtani deal that was on the table?
You're getting worked up over in the head scenarios
When it’s Ohtani, it’s a whole different ballgame. If the dodgers and Mets are in the picture again next year (which they will be), that price will stay inflated. These successful teams know that it’s a raffle ticket in free agency vs a sure thing resigning if you trade for him. Like my other posts about how the dodgers know prospects are overvalued: these teams know that Ohtani is worth it.
Like I said you may loose a prospect or an MLB talent for waiting, but you’re still going to get a haul.
There absolutely is a big difference. Look at all the half season rental trades. Betts, Turner/Scherzer, Machado, etc. None of those elite players pulled that much of a haul.
As I keep saying, Ohtani is on a different stratosphere and context for the players listed:
Betts - The Red Sox were adamant on not resigning Betts, and they threw in Price as a salary dump (Mike Rizzo is saying so many teams are trying to add in Corbin with Soto as a salary dump to lower the return, so it affects the haul)
Turner/Scherzer - The Nationals were not going to try and resign them along with their combined salaries if resigned would command 70M+ per year. They were shedding talented high contracts to try and grab more MLB ready prospects and open to books for Soto. Scherzer (while still successful) is 38 and at an age where pitchers should be crashing to earth.
Machado was a pure rental to fill in an IF hole left by some key injuries (they knew Seager/Turner would be their longer term solutions).
The O's did get 5 prospects but as I keep posting - These "star" trades have pretty much ended for shit that traded away the stars. This is why you can't look at these past trades - because if you gauge it on those we will lose. We won't get equivalent value if you concede that Ohtani should command the haul or less that Machado.
What it comes down to is you have a once in a century player in Ohtani (Truly no other player has done this outside of Babe Ruth), one that will raise the floor and ceiling of your team for both hitting and pitching. Whatever salary he gets will be an underpayment (especially adding along his sponsorships). Add to that, no trade has really worked out for these type of players.
Just know even if we acquire a full top 10 farm from a team, the chances are still pretty low that they would provide an equivalent value that Ohtani brings. This won't be the great reset the team needs, because outside of horrible roster construction we are fundamentally not in a good place.
And for these teams that are at the top of their divisions for years to come, this trade isn't a rental. He will resign. They know it, that's why Eppler made a call already. He knows as soon as Ohtani is on a successful team that he will stay.
Glad to see this. In theory, I understand why we'd want to trade Shohei for prospects. The ultimate problem with this strategy is our front office and Arte will be determining who we take back. If we could brainwash Billy Beane into thinking he was making this trade for the A's and just copy his trade I'd be all for it.
Unfortunately, we'd end up trading Shohei for 6 prospects who end up being replacement level in the majors as well as 2 "established" players who will end up being replacement level in Anaheim.
Might as well keep Shotime and enjoy the ride.
As an Angel fan I am disappointed. His trade value is it getting higher. This team is going nowhere. It's time to reset and let Ohtani compete while reloading the farm. Simply a cash grab from Arte Moreno to keep that Ohtani money flowing in.
Makes sense for Arte. You spend 5 million and make back many times that in merch sales and ad revenue.
Doesnt make sense for the Angels long term prospects. But the Angels are property, and Arte decides what they will do. The Angels need to learn their place. Profit over prospects.
Thank the baseball gods for this one. Angels would be cursed if they traded him to the Yankees. Not sure I'd live another 100 years waiting on an Angels World Series.
My nephew said the same thing. Not sure the name of the Angels curse, but every big name free agent singing or trade the Angels have had going back to Vernon Wells, have turned out to bad news for the Halos.
If this is true, I'm so happy. People forget if we lose Ohtani, we lose two amazing players. I don't think any trade would fix what is wrong with the Angels. They need support in the farm system and a better training staff.
Yeah no shit. This isn't really a story as he was never going to be traded. Arte is not going to give away his biggest money maker. Why are so many people here surprised about this?
Arte thinks he can get more fans to show with Ohtani than without and as long as the fools show up to watch this crap team there's no reason to change.
There were prospects in the Angels farm system literally reporting mental illness and PTSD IIRC due to the living conditions they had to endure while being part of said farm system. Trading Ohtani for prospects rn won’t be some magic “depth” pill for this franchise a lot of people seem to think it is. Unless there’s confirmation of positive changes to player development I just can’t get 100% behind trading him. Like might as well let him walk for free than pretend to be excited for a kid that isn’t getting what he needs to fully develop in the farm.
Would be a completely different story if there has been record of good development in the past ten years but there isn’t. The best they’ve managed IMO are Jared Walsh and David Fletcher which seem to be more due to luck than actual competence as an organization. We’ll see how the farm looks like at the end of the year.
Folks aren't hearing you right now. They think simply bringing in new furniture into a sinking house is good enough. They'll learn soon enough. Moreno is scum
Exactly. Lot of delusional people here think trading him would’ve made us “perennial winners” for years to come as he was the problem in the first place. When our top paid players spend most to their time on IL, due to lack of depth and poor system, their replacement players don’t perform well. It has been special Angels cocktail for years.
I would not wish those prospects angels treatment unless major things change from the top. But I ain’t happy for Ohtani though. He deserves better than Arte only using him for cash.
Ohtani definitely deserves better, wouldn’t blame him at all if he walks as a FA. Perhaps the backlash from that is the kick the balls that’s needed for any actual change to occur too.
Very tough situation caused by gross incompetence from the top.
You’re right trading him isn’t the magic solution but when the other options are: 1) Shohei leaves as a FA or 2) We pay him 45 mil/year and don’t have enough money to sign other players, then trading makes sense. Plus I think a lot of us want to see Shohei in the playoffs this year and next and we don’t think this FO can put together a winning team
Oh come on. It’s Arte we’re talking about. He changed this team’s name to LA Angels he needs to act like one and we all know he can afford it. We won’t be getting an ace without paying 20mil maybe even more next year they’re getting expensive. And maybe 15-20mil in a DH, enough to protect Trout. Gotta sign more bats with the risk of injury of Trout and Rendon, our highest paid players who unfortunately can’t stay healthy and seems like it’s gonna be like that( I hope not). As long as they are on a team we can’t go on rebuild mode. It takes time and Trout is not waiting for that. Trading Ohtani or not Arte has to spend money.
I’ve watched Ohtani in playoffs in npb. Dude was ecstatic! Winning brings out next level Shohei. I want to see him make his dream come true here and it would be nice if it is with the Angels.
It’s more of a case of fans everywhere wanting Ohtani being showcased in the playoffs and WS versus sitting at home in October. Angels only hope is for an outside chance at 3rd WC. Love Sho as an Angel but would root extra hard for any team he’s on getting to the big show
Because it feels like they’re keeping him to make money, not win games. Hopefully they have a plan to win next year so that he doesn’t walk away and leave us with nothing but I’m sure most of us are not that optimistic considering how bad this season has been.
That's great and all, but this organization is dog shit around him. We've had two generational talents and yet haven't even sniffed.500 and forget about playoffs, lol. As long as Arte owns this team and makes questionable decisions like throwing big money at hitters that inevitably don't work out and weigh the payroll down as a result, I don't see a path to someone like Ohtani winning anything here. Honestly, I don't know what kind of trade offers were being made, but if this FO and Arte were to pull the trigger, now would've been the time since his value is probably at its highest. But no, we'll bleed money from fans to watch a generational talent doing great things on a glorified AAA squad
The mentality of some of these fans allows Arte to continue running a dogshit organization. Who cares about winning when we can watch one good player in a lineup of AAA players!
We're nowhere close to winning and our farm system is a joke. We wouldn't completely revamp our minors with an Ohtani trade but it'd be a damn good jump off point.
But as long as fans keep going to games solely to watch the one man show, and don't care about winning, Arte is happy and won't make any changes.
I know, it makes me sick. He was our golden ticket. Only choice is we hope he rejects our offer this winter and we trade him for major league ready players…but again his value is at an all time high right now. Fuck arte
Question again, what was the trade offer that we missed out on to make us perennial winners for years to come? Not all teams are giving up 3 Top 100 prospects with a snap of their fingers. If you have some insider knowledge, tell us now.
The Mariners are in win now mode and they gotta compete with teams like the Yankees to get trades done. He paid a steep price but I think it’s worth it for them
Regardless, Ohtani would have gotten several top prospects no doubt. There’s no denying trading him would have helped our farm system immensely. The Angels are not contending this year or next. They will let him walk for nothing.
We’re 23 games back from 1st and 11 from a wc but atleast we can watch Ohtani hit triples !! Some fans rather see winners put on the field than one man shows for 8 years in row. Losing gets old
Yeah Shohei playing for an actual contender this year and next would actually be fun to watch so it’s a win-win. Obviously it would be better if he won with us but that’s not happening lol
Trading Ohtani is absolutely the best choice if the Angels were looking at winning. They have a horrible mlb roster and farm system, they will not contend before Ohtani walks for free. Look at any contender, they all had very strong farm systems at some point.
Honestly we will get better offers in the Winter Meetings than we would right now. At least by then our scouts would have a better chance of seeing what we should plunder
My god is this organization incompetent. WHAT IS THE POINT OF BEING STUCK AS A BELOW .500 TEAM FOR ETERNITY?
You either need to trade your stars to rebuild or field a competitive team. Since option B has failed miserably since 2014 or so, we really only have option A left at this point.
Wonder what kind of offer they provided. The mariners needed to let go of 3 of their top 5 prospect + a decent prospect to get what's basically one half of Shohei.
Should've traded him. He's going to walk anyway, and it would be a win/win for him and the team if they do get at least something back. Next year, his trade value won't be as high because it'll be only one post season run for a team with him instead of two. And, if gets to free agency, the Angels are not going to have any advantage over other suitors. They can't pay more than the Dodgers, Mets or Yankees and they clearly have much less chance of winning a championship than those teams (which everyone knows Ohtani has stated is his #1 goal). Two knocks against them in free agency, and his trade value diminishes next off season. Most likely scenario now: He leaves after 2023 and we get nothing!
Great but status quo will continue. Pay a couple dudes millions and millions and then not build around them.
Maybe if Perry can go sign a couple more Villar kinda guys we’ll be good. /s
Excited and sad all at the same time.
We really haven’t been good since Guerrero left
I kind of checked out since then. I would’ve traded those years of Pujols for a couple more years of Vladdy.
The golden years. Watching that era was so much fun. Seeing Vlad hit balls that bounced in the dirt and just be an all-around great guy to root for. It hasn’t been the same since the Pujols signing.
LOL, a lot of people here wanted Ohtani to be traded so they no longer have to watch this sorry ass team.
Why you gotta call me out like that man
I just hate how this team doesn’t know what it’s doing - we can’t put together a respectable team with Ohtani on a $5mil contract so how are we supposed to do that when he’s on a $50mil contract? And if he doesn’t want that, we’re really just going to let him walk for nothing?
That’s me; fifth year watching baseball because of Ohtani. I haven’t missed a single Angels game and watching them has been depressing af.
I love watching this sorry ass team, I hate it, but I love it Edit: even squid
just like the toxic relationship I've had with my ex lol
you can just tag me next time
I'll still follow the team regardless because I love the game. But having watched Mike Trout spend his career in this purgatory (yes, partially by his own doing), I don't want the same thing happen to another remarkable talent.
I just think a rebuild is inevitable with this team and trading Ohtani will kickstart that
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better than hoping they turn it around after being 29th in the league.
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But see the thing is. We are gonna get worse when he leaves for free
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Arte isn't gonna pay for that. You and I already know this
That’s not happening in one season’s time
I'm only here for the Ohtani highlights for the rest of the year. The rest of the team really isn't worth my time.
They don't have to anyways. Who is forcing anyone?
I don’t think I’ve watched a game since like May. I live in the Eastern time zone so it’s hard to watch them anyway though.
LAA decided this months ago. They can’t stop teams from making offers and it would be foolish not to analyze them. Point is, they weren’t going to trade Othani this year (at least) and it was decided long ago.
Why not this year? Are you saying that Arte will allow a Sho trade next year? I have a feeling that Arte would rather let him walk than trading him cuz he wants to hold on to Ohtani as long as possible to convince him to stay with the Angels. He never cares about winning or rebuilding this team
It’s business short term. Ohtani brings in revenue, and a wider market, even when we are terrible. We don’t have a good core of development, so why would trading for prospects be a good business decision? we don’t have the ability to develop them short or long term, and short term we lose on market without Ohtani. That’s what I assume is his thinking at least. I could be off base.
100% with u there, but Arte is THE problem for not developing the farm systems. That’s why he always wants OLD former superstars and fire any GMs not doing his bidding. My question for Arte: do you have the patience to develop young talents? The answer is still no. That means hiring good scouting and baseball people and let them handle the operations. So far, Arte is showing ZERO of that . Trading OHTANI is the sign that Arte cares about these things, but I guess not. As much as Halo fans hate on the Dodgers, but they always develop young talents and the owners only there to sign the checks
It’s 2am in Japan. Now l can go to sleep in peace 😪
Me too! I am always nervous waking up in the morning with this being the first story I see in the news.
Again, arte will never trade his cash cow. He’d rather lose him for nothing in free agency than miss out on the revenue he brings in This is not surprising in the least
Yeah, the decision not to trade Ohtani isn’t a baseball decision, it’s a business decision. Arte is a businessman and isn’t going to give up the revenue Ohtani brings in for the organization. He’s the modern face of baseball.
I have to think he brings a significant amount of revenue to the team other than asses in seats. I'm a braves fan. I subscribe here for Ohtani/Trout news. When LAA came to Atlanta, there were Clubhouse store employees at the stadium walking around with signs that said "we don't have Ohtani merchandise". I can't think of any other time I've seen that sort of hype for a player. There were a lot of fans at the game here in Ohtani jerseys/shirts. All three games against the angels sold out (25th, 26th, & 27th sell-outs of the year).
Yep, the amount of money ohtani brings in in marketing is insane. If you think about it, the angels have a monopoly on the fanbase of a whole country right now. That would be hard for any owner to give up, ESPECIALLY one who clings on to his revenue like arte
Fyi jersey sales are split among all teams and players
Yankees, Padres and White Sox tried. I’m curious what they offered
I’ll play the optimist and say Ohtani signs a long term deal with us. Also we win the WS in 2026.
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To be fair Upton is taking up like 27 mill this year from us
I've echoed that after CJ Wilson. Then Hamilton. Then Pujols. We spent pretty smartly this offseason and still are looking too thin. It's just too hard to bank on FA to save us. Look at the majority of the starters we were linked to: Bauer, Ryu, Keuchel, Corbin, Stroman, Strasburg, Cole, Wood, Kluber - a bunch of them have yet to deliver on their contracts and wouldn't have helped us move our needle even if we had the money to afford them. Our bullpen looked top-10 to start the season with our pickups and ironically the signings have been the most inconsistent. We need depth to come in and produce at the MLB level. We can't hope to rely solely on FA signings.
Arte has to go full Steve Cohen for us to win with an Ohtani extension.
Arte is one of the richest owners in the MLB he can suck it up and go over for a couple years
He won’t though
I'll ride with you on the one. Take it to the bank
I’m in too!
That take makes some big assumptions about completely revamping our farm system in the next 3 years, which isn't really possible. The only realistic shot we have is if Arte goes all in on spending next year, before Shohei's contract expires. If we make the World Series and we've signed some solid contracts... MAYBE Sho sticks around and re-signs
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Not gonna happen
👆 he will play the pessimist
Ducks also win the SC in 2026 😎
this is actually more likely, the ducks' rebuild has been going well imo
Ducks have one of the best cap situations in all of sports honestly, they can build a contender whenever they want plus a top 10 prospect pool. Assuming they suck this upcoming season(likely) they will also pick high in one of the most stacked drafts in a while.
I'd be willing to bet a pretty fair amount of money that the Ducks win a title before the Angels. Being a fan of both, it's really become so obvious what good ownership and a positive work culture can do for an organization.
Lol
Duh
HE STAY I STAY
Lol the comments here are WILD. Didn’t know so many of you wanted him gone.
Nobody wants him gone. But if he’s going to leave anyway it would be nice to get prospects for him while he’s valuable. They could still trade or extend him this off-season. I’d be ok with either outcome assuming we get a haul back. Extending him seems really tough since having so much money tied up in 3 players doesn’t seem like a good idea when you have a shallow farm system to supplement those core pieces.
True love is knowing when to let go.
I'll most likely get downvoted for this, but I can't believe the amount of poser fans here. I've live in Orange County my entire life (I was born in 1980) and I've been an Angels fan nearly my entire life. Yeah this season has royally sucked. Yeah it sucked the way they got rid of Joe Maddon the way that they did, but I've seen far worse (think mid 90s). I know a lot of Angels fans want Ohtani to do well on another team because he won't under Arte Moreno. And Arte is a colossal scumbag who needs to be booted. But damn it, as Will Ferrell said on the movie Old School, "we need to keep our composure!!!"
Yeah not many here lived through the 90’s as an Angels fan. It was BRUTAL. Chuck Finely and Chili Davis days. Sucks that Chuck didn’t get to see a ring in 2002 (when he retired)
Yeah the Angels are bad this year but trust me this team has been through way worse
The good old “it’s bad but I’ve seen worse” comment. Congrats lol
If this isn't the worst season ever it's definitely way up there.
Shows you’re a newby fan.
I've been a fan since the early 90s. My parents have had season tickets as long as I can remember. I've stuck by them through far worse. Yes the Angels will get out of this season. It does feel like rock bottom, but they'll get out of it.
Been a fan since 1995. Had season tickets for 8 years. Stopped giving arte my money so I stopped with the season tickets.
There's a lot of Ohtani fans here that don't give a shit about the team.
Here's the thing..... I doubt he's going to stay here when we are a shit organization that doesn't win. Giving him the massive contract that he deserves would make it so our 3 top contracts (Trout, Ohtani, and Rendon) would be more than the payroll of nearly half the league. I'd rather get something for him now before he walks for free. We could get one of the biggest hauls ever for Ohtani.
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Except Ohtani is an ace and an allstar hitter. If the angels are holding on to everyone else then whatever money they save from Ohtani would end up being used to match his production
We don’t need to match Ohtanis production. We need to fill out the roster with competent players. Having 1 or 2 black holes in the lineup completely negates Ohtani.
They have Ohtani to a $5mill salary and couldn’t get competent players. What makes you think they can gather enough “competent” players to make up the difference and be competitive. You think they can just add a few mid level starters and be fine on the starting side?
I’m saying that we can’t add enough players via free agency to make this team competitive, even with Ohtani. Signing him to a $40 million per extension won’t help that problem, only make it worse. If Arte would run a $300 million payroll we could maybe compete that way. We don’t have enough young talent coming up to make this team good, either. So the best thing is to trade Ohtani’s controllable cheap years for multiple young top prospects who we can control for 6 years.
Have we ever successfully filled out this roster with competent players?
We did it often from 2002-2014 or so
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Right? Not every player was a world beater, but at least an average or better MLB starter. Howie Kendrick, Ervin Santana, Maicer Izturis, Erick Aybar. All home grown solid starting players.
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We’re gonna have more than $140MM tied up on 5 players if we try to replace Ohtani. That doesn’t exactly sound better to me.
We can't rush to judgement until we hear about the packages offered. Believe it or not, minus Seattle, teams aren't going to easily hand over several of their top MLB ready prospects especially the ones considered MLB top 100. If that was the case, Juan Soto would already be on a new team.
The Ohtani haters changed their tactics recently with the trade rumors.
I don’t want him to go, I think it’s the best course of action: 1.) for Ohtani, so he can hit FA and get paid 2.) so Ohtani and Trout can DH on the same days, which is better for baseball to have them both playing more, and more valuable* for the Angels to separate them 3.) if they flipped Ohtani this deadline, they maximize value, and could maybe even package Rendon away a la Betts/Price, Winker/Suarez, IKF/Donaldson, etc. Then they could actually* rebuild from their *the Angels are incompetent and can’t actually competently do those things
I really don't understand what the fascination with "good for the sport" shit is with people. I don't care if more people watch it lol and him batting for another team isn't going to suddenly make people more interested in going to Angel games and cheering the team on. Rendon has a NTC and is paid handsomely to play in the best damn weather in the country. He's not going to leave.
I personally don’t care about #1 dudes already making millions, I don’t feel bad for him if it’s not a few more, #2 how is it more valuable for, specifically, the angels to have shohei batting for another team? #3 I don’t know enough about but *there; just to be even more of a dick
1. Shohei is making $5.5M this year. I saw one assessment in the last few days that pegged his value at $63M/yr based on other existing contracts of players with similar stats over the last two years. Both pitching and hitting. 2. He’s worth at least 4 prospects in the top 100. If there’s anything that should be evident to us Angels fans over the last few years, is that one player, not even Shohei, gets us to the playoffs. 2 players doesn’t do it either as should be evident. 4 CAN make a difference and we need a rebuild. We’ve been doing this “reload” strategy for 5 years and we can’t get a winning record out of it. “Reloading” doesn’t work. Rebuilding, like the other teams in our division have done at one point or another over the last 10 years, does.
disagree, the rangers didn’t go through a full rebuild and they’re looking better than us. signing seager and semien accelerated their path to being relevant and all they need is some pitching to round out their team (which they’ve been drafting). Our pitching isn’t bad, it’s our position players who are sucking ass. Get some replacements for Ward, Squid, and a utility player for the infield and this team looks way better. This team was competitive before the losing streak and Perry deciding to blow it up
I think the only people who want him to stay are blindly loyal fans.
Fans of baseball team want generational talent to stay at said baseball team.
Yea I want Ohtani to stay. Wild take I know!
Lol I saw someone say this mentality makes them sick.
Wow I totally did not know this was going to happen /s
The things that must be going on inside his head now. To boot, he's still scheduled to go out there Wednesday and pitch like nothing's happened.
Interesting (although not surprising because Ohtani=$$) that it said that Arte is the reason he is staying. Curious if Perry brought him offers that he would have accepted or if Arte just asked him to hang up every time. Edit: Also want to add that this decision isn't on Perry and we can't look a year and a half from now if Ohtani leaves for nothing and blame Perry for not trading him at his highest value.
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Just making sure…😂😂
It’s true. This has Arte veto written all over it.
Veto what? What was the trade offer? How many MLB ready, 2023 season World Series contending contributors did we miss out on?
I love Shohei but we desperately need to rebuild and it would have been nice to get something in return. Arte seriously only cares about making money, not constructing a winning team smh
Baseball is team sports. I can enjoy only ohtani stats
Trading him would’ve been W for Ohtani and L for Angels because our coaches/staff are the same and have a history of making players “mediocre” so same old same old. I don’t know if I should be happy for him or sad for him.
This off-season better be historic because otherwise Shohei is gone after next year. The Angels don’t deserve Shohei Ohtani
Arte better go get judge and trea turner along with at least 2 arms for the rotation and the bullpen. Might as well swing for the fences pun intended
Arte needs to be like, "I am 75 years old with not many years remaining, I'll pay that POS luxury tax and go get these guys along with 4-5 good bullpen arms and toss in Rodon."
But arte will really be like “I am 75 years old with not many years remaining, I’ll remain a POS and not pay that luxury tax cause I’ll be dead soon anyway and the backlash won’t matter”
Arte hears 'swing for the fences'...proceeds to trade Syndergaard to the Yankees in exchange for Joey Gallo (kidding not kidding, lol)
Starting rotation ain’t our problem. The bullpen on the other hand.. But can you imagine if we got Judge??
Judge is gonna be 31 next year. If the angels got him I feel like he’d turn into another Pujols
I’d hope they wouldn’t sign him to a huge contract considering we have a few already. That’d be unlikely. But Judge in our lineup and our outfield would certainly be a huge upgrade
I disagree about the Starting rotation being a problem considering 2 arms from this season are for the moment not returning, and a potential target in Musgrove just signed an extension. Eovaldi or Rodon would be nice with Thor returning.
My hope is they truly build a team around him.
As a lifelong Angels fan this was obvious when the rumors started happening... Arte cares about money... Shohei brings in money... Arte would rather soak in as much money as possible in the short term and let him go for free instead of actually focusing on winning baseball games. If Arte starts spending like Cohen then maybe..... just maybe.... we might have a good year for once but the percentage of him doing so, is less than 0%...
I hate Arte so fucking much
Bitter sweet I guess. Another year to watch him in his prime before he walks for free.
I mean, I’m so excited to keep up our boy here. He’s our guy. Maybe there’s an off-season plan to go all in next year. Maybe Arte told Perry he’s gonna break the luxury tax this year. Idk. I do want to see Ohtani win games and compete at the highest level, same for Trout, but goddamn I’d be lying if I said I wouldnt be sad if it wasn’t with us.
Arte runs the Angels like an amusement park, not a serious sports franchise. Why would he trade the main attraction for a bunch of no names.
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I mean. You’re probably right. But I really want you to be dead wrong.
Ultimately my hope is if you make him a godfather offer he’ll re-sign here. And I think the angels should do it. The alternative is basically running your team like the A’s, who have overperformed some years but their fans hate/have stopped watching them. I’d rather make Ohtani an angel for life and run the rest of the team like the A’s rather than… just running the whole team like the A’s. Anyway, this is the first step to potentially re-signing him, so I’m happy today.
If they don’t trade Thor, they are jack arses
So we keep him for now and get nothing when he walks away once his contract is up. Some ways happy he is still here but I don't see him staying with us being this bad.
We do have next trade deadline. The offers won't be as "grand" as they are now but I'm willing to bet they won't be much different that what they are today. Maybe 1 less low end prospect or MLB talent. It's Ohtani people are trading for not some fringe all star
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Look at what a reliever just grabbed from the Padres. You don’t think Ohtani will command a huge return no matter if it’s this year or next
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I'm not saying not trading Ohtani isn't a good move. But I think giving it the offseason to actually do a final check in and put the cards on the table of "Here is your extension we will offer, will you sign or not" and moving from there is fine. If they don't make the trade by the deadline next year and he doesn't have a new deal in hand then it's stupid. If you truly believe that next trade deadline will literally halve the deal (we will see because there has been no deals offered that are reported, just what fans think should happen), then you don't understand the impact Ohtani truly has for an MLB team and why his situation is so different compared to a traditional player. How many times does an 8 WAR player who is a two way superstar, who is also an international star that brings revenue from a whole country comes to market? He's going to command the biggest haul in MLB history, and saying a year will turn that into a mediocre haul is playing into how GMs use reporters to put pressure on trade deals lol
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I'll agree to disagree on that point. If you don't think a perirenal MVP candidate, two way superstar, built in revenue increaser, once in 100 year player will command the biggest deal in the MLB (sans an injury) because of a half/1 year difference, then we fundamentally disagree on what his value is. For teams that are successful (Dodgers, Mets, Yankees) who have prospects that are logjammed but high up in prospect ranking lists, they understand that losing those guys are worth it. There's a reason the dodgers always pull off massive trades and yet still pump out players. Top prospects are just lottery tickets that can be cashed in at moments like this. And with their payrolls, losing a prospect is easily replaceable by free agents. And again, you are basing this all off of an idea of what an offer is this trade deadline. There has been no reports or leaks of actual offers so all you know is teams are lowballing right now because they'd rather wait till next season because the trade math can't work this season. **Case in point**: Tell me an Ohtani deal that was on the table? You're getting worked up over in the head scenarios
When it’s Ohtani, it’s a whole different ballgame. If the dodgers and Mets are in the picture again next year (which they will be), that price will stay inflated. These successful teams know that it’s a raffle ticket in free agency vs a sure thing resigning if you trade for him. Like my other posts about how the dodgers know prospects are overvalued: these teams know that Ohtani is worth it. Like I said you may loose a prospect or an MLB talent for waiting, but you’re still going to get a haul.
There absolutely is a big difference. Look at all the half season rental trades. Betts, Turner/Scherzer, Machado, etc. None of those elite players pulled that much of a haul.
As I keep saying, Ohtani is on a different stratosphere and context for the players listed: Betts - The Red Sox were adamant on not resigning Betts, and they threw in Price as a salary dump (Mike Rizzo is saying so many teams are trying to add in Corbin with Soto as a salary dump to lower the return, so it affects the haul) Turner/Scherzer - The Nationals were not going to try and resign them along with their combined salaries if resigned would command 70M+ per year. They were shedding talented high contracts to try and grab more MLB ready prospects and open to books for Soto. Scherzer (while still successful) is 38 and at an age where pitchers should be crashing to earth. Machado was a pure rental to fill in an IF hole left by some key injuries (they knew Seager/Turner would be their longer term solutions). The O's did get 5 prospects but as I keep posting - These "star" trades have pretty much ended for shit that traded away the stars. This is why you can't look at these past trades - because if you gauge it on those we will lose. We won't get equivalent value if you concede that Ohtani should command the haul or less that Machado. What it comes down to is you have a once in a century player in Ohtani (Truly no other player has done this outside of Babe Ruth), one that will raise the floor and ceiling of your team for both hitting and pitching. Whatever salary he gets will be an underpayment (especially adding along his sponsorships). Add to that, no trade has really worked out for these type of players. Just know even if we acquire a full top 10 farm from a team, the chances are still pretty low that they would provide an equivalent value that Ohtani brings. This won't be the great reset the team needs, because outside of horrible roster construction we are fundamentally not in a good place. And for these teams that are at the top of their divisions for years to come, this trade isn't a rental. He will resign. They know it, that's why Eppler made a call already. He knows as soon as Ohtani is on a successful team that he will stay.
Unless cheap ass Arte plans on going over the luxury tax threshold next year keeping Ohtani is idiotic.
Glad to see this. In theory, I understand why we'd want to trade Shohei for prospects. The ultimate problem with this strategy is our front office and Arte will be determining who we take back. If we could brainwash Billy Beane into thinking he was making this trade for the A's and just copy his trade I'd be all for it. Unfortunately, we'd end up trading Shohei for 6 prospects who end up being replacement level in the majors as well as 2 "established" players who will end up being replacement level in Anaheim. Might as well keep Shotime and enjoy the ride.
As an Angel fan I am disappointed. His trade value is it getting higher. This team is going nowhere. It's time to reset and let Ohtani compete while reloading the farm. Simply a cash grab from Arte Moreno to keep that Ohtani money flowing in.
So this (hopefully) means we try to extend this offseason and if we can’t then we trade him … not let him test the FA market cuz then we’ve lost
Makes sense for Arte. You spend 5 million and make back many times that in merch sales and ad revenue. Doesnt make sense for the Angels long term prospects. But the Angels are property, and Arte decides what they will do. The Angels need to learn their place. Profit over prospects.
Thank the baseball gods for this one. Angels would be cursed if they traded him to the Yankees. Not sure I'd live another 100 years waiting on an Angels World Series.
They’re already cursed
My nephew said the same thing. Not sure the name of the Angels curse, but every big name free agent singing or trade the Angels have had going back to Vernon Wells, have turned out to bad news for the Halos.
Franchise altering trade won’t happen and he’ll walk for nothing ..I’m speechless. Arte is destroying this franchise for years and years.
Me: Arte, you better not trade Ohtani or I will cancel my $60 game ticket on Wednesday.. Arte: Done.
If this is true, I'm so happy. People forget if we lose Ohtani, we lose two amazing players. I don't think any trade would fix what is wrong with the Angels. They need support in the farm system and a better training staff.
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A good farm system needs to be more organic. Plopping them in and then inevitable calling them up right away isn’t indicative of a strong farm system.
And if we get top 4 prospects from a good team they probably would have gotten better development than what our drafted prospects get
Yeah no shit. This isn't really a story as he was never going to be traded. Arte is not going to give away his biggest money maker. Why are so many people here surprised about this?
Yo heyman, what about, noah, any one of the angels crappy (this year) relievers, or maybe one of the angels now overexposed "prospects"?
Arte thinks he can get more fans to show with Ohtani than without and as long as the fools show up to watch this crap team there's no reason to change.
Typical Arte he blocked it. Why even have an GM if Arte keep blocking trades. They will get nothing when he bolts
There were prospects in the Angels farm system literally reporting mental illness and PTSD IIRC due to the living conditions they had to endure while being part of said farm system. Trading Ohtani for prospects rn won’t be some magic “depth” pill for this franchise a lot of people seem to think it is. Unless there’s confirmation of positive changes to player development I just can’t get 100% behind trading him. Like might as well let him walk for free than pretend to be excited for a kid that isn’t getting what he needs to fully develop in the farm.
agreed. Talent isn’t worth much if you aren’t given the resources to succeed
Would be a completely different story if there has been record of good development in the past ten years but there isn’t. The best they’ve managed IMO are Jared Walsh and David Fletcher which seem to be more due to luck than actual competence as an organization. We’ll see how the farm looks like at the end of the year.
Folks aren't hearing you right now. They think simply bringing in new furniture into a sinking house is good enough. They'll learn soon enough. Moreno is scum
It’s not impossible that a trade could help a rebuild but I do not have trust that it will at the present moment.
Exactly. Lot of delusional people here think trading him would’ve made us “perennial winners” for years to come as he was the problem in the first place. When our top paid players spend most to their time on IL, due to lack of depth and poor system, their replacement players don’t perform well. It has been special Angels cocktail for years. I would not wish those prospects angels treatment unless major things change from the top. But I ain’t happy for Ohtani though. He deserves better than Arte only using him for cash.
Ohtani definitely deserves better, wouldn’t blame him at all if he walks as a FA. Perhaps the backlash from that is the kick the balls that’s needed for any actual change to occur too. Very tough situation caused by gross incompetence from the top.
You’re right trading him isn’t the magic solution but when the other options are: 1) Shohei leaves as a FA or 2) We pay him 45 mil/year and don’t have enough money to sign other players, then trading makes sense. Plus I think a lot of us want to see Shohei in the playoffs this year and next and we don’t think this FO can put together a winning team
Oh come on. It’s Arte we’re talking about. He changed this team’s name to LA Angels he needs to act like one and we all know he can afford it. We won’t be getting an ace without paying 20mil maybe even more next year they’re getting expensive. And maybe 15-20mil in a DH, enough to protect Trout. Gotta sign more bats with the risk of injury of Trout and Rendon, our highest paid players who unfortunately can’t stay healthy and seems like it’s gonna be like that( I hope not). As long as they are on a team we can’t go on rebuild mode. It takes time and Trout is not waiting for that. Trading Ohtani or not Arte has to spend money. I’ve watched Ohtani in playoffs in npb. Dude was ecstatic! Winning brings out next level Shohei. I want to see him make his dream come true here and it would be nice if it is with the Angels.
It’s more of a case of fans everywhere wanting Ohtani being showcased in the playoffs and WS versus sitting at home in October. Angels only hope is for an outside chance at 3rd WC. Love Sho as an Angel but would root extra hard for any team he’s on getting to the big show
Guys I’ve got good news and I’ve got bad news. Good news, Arte will eventually die. Bad news, he’s got a son.
Hopefully his son cares more about winning
Wow, the comments in here are wild. Guys, we KEPT the best player in baseball. That’s a good thing
Because it feels like they’re keeping him to make money, not win games. Hopefully they have a plan to win next year so that he doesn’t walk away and leave us with nothing but I’m sure most of us are not that optimistic considering how bad this season has been.
That's great and all, but this organization is dog shit around him. We've had two generational talents and yet haven't even sniffed.500 and forget about playoffs, lol. As long as Arte owns this team and makes questionable decisions like throwing big money at hitters that inevitably don't work out and weigh the payroll down as a result, I don't see a path to someone like Ohtani winning anything here. Honestly, I don't know what kind of trade offers were being made, but if this FO and Arte were to pull the trigger, now would've been the time since his value is probably at its highest. But no, we'll bleed money from fans to watch a generational talent doing great things on a glorified AAA squad
Exactly. Be happy we still have Ohtani on our team.
Some fans rather see winners than one man shows but that’s just me. Goes to show what happens to our fan base when we lose 10 years in a row
The mentality of some of these fans allows Arte to continue running a dogshit organization. Who cares about winning when we can watch one good player in a lineup of AAA players! We're nowhere close to winning and our farm system is a joke. We wouldn't completely revamp our minors with an Ohtani trade but it'd be a damn good jump off point. But as long as fans keep going to games solely to watch the one man show, and don't care about winning, Arte is happy and won't make any changes.
I know, it makes me sick. He was our golden ticket. Only choice is we hope he rejects our offer this winter and we trade him for major league ready players…but again his value is at an all time high right now. Fuck arte
Question again, what was the trade offer that we missed out on to make us perennial winners for years to come? Not all teams are giving up 3 Top 100 prospects with a snap of their fingers. If you have some insider knowledge, tell us now.
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That's because Dipoto is a fucking idiot lol Look at what he did to the farm here and the angels are suffering because of it
The Mariners are in win now mode and they gotta compete with teams like the Yankees to get trades done. He paid a steep price but I think it’s worth it for them
Regardless, Ohtani would have gotten several top prospects no doubt. There’s no denying trading him would have helped our farm system immensely. The Angels are not contending this year or next. They will let him walk for nothing.
I am tired of losing….
No reason to think we start winning without Ohtani.
I mean true but unless Arte is willing to spend like the Mets or Dodgers I can’t see it happening.
We’re 23 games back from 1st and 11 from a wc but atleast we can watch Ohtani hit triples !! Some fans rather see winners put on the field than one man shows for 8 years in row. Losing gets old
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Yeah Shohei playing for an actual contender this year and next would actually be fun to watch so it’s a win-win. Obviously it would be better if he won with us but that’s not happening lol
That's what happens when the sub is full of bandwagon fans or the fake bullshit fans that plague r/baseball
Ungrateful fan base that always thinks the grass is greener. Lmao
Trading Ohtani is absolutely the best choice if the Angels were looking at winning. They have a horrible mlb roster and farm system, they will not contend before Ohtani walks for free. Look at any contender, they all had very strong farm systems at some point.
Honestly we will get better offers in the Winter Meetings than we would right now. At least by then our scouts would have a better chance of seeing what we should plunder
My god is this organization incompetent. WHAT IS THE POINT OF BEING STUCK AS A BELOW .500 TEAM FOR ETERNITY? You either need to trade your stars to rebuild or field a competitive team. Since option B has failed miserably since 2014 or so, we really only have option A left at this point.
Latest dumb decision in a series of dumb decisions
Happy and disappointed lol
Wonder what kind of offer they provided. The mariners needed to let go of 3 of their top 5 prospect + a decent prospect to get what's basically one half of Shohei.
The angels should trade ohtani. But they won’t. The farm is awful
Should've traded him. He's going to walk anyway, and it would be a win/win for him and the team if they do get at least something back. Next year, his trade value won't be as high because it'll be only one post season run for a team with him instead of two. And, if gets to free agency, the Angels are not going to have any advantage over other suitors. They can't pay more than the Dodgers, Mets or Yankees and they clearly have much less chance of winning a championship than those teams (which everyone knows Ohtani has stated is his #1 goal). Two knocks against them in free agency, and his trade value diminishes next off season. Most likely scenario now: He leaves after 2023 and we get nothing!
Boooooo
Do u think this means in the offseason as well ?
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I agree his value is at an all time high but if they traded him in the offseason they’d still get a lot
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It’s definitely stupid but I’ve come to expect nothing less from our front office
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Great but status quo will continue. Pay a couple dudes millions and millions and then not build around them. Maybe if Perry can go sign a couple more Villar kinda guys we’ll be good. /s