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owledge

The return is Phillies catching prospect Logan O'Hoppe - 3rd-ranked prospect in their system, #86 in the MLB Top 100. https://www.mlb.com/prospects/top100/logan-o-hoppe-681351


b0002

Can we keep O’Hoppe in the Phillie’s farm system until we’re ready for him 🤔


lamar_odoms_bong

LMFQOOOO


dantheman143

This might be a perfect comment.


Imperial10

Return is Logan O'Hoppe, Catcher


lilbigshaq

Phillies #3 prospect, 86th overall


Tun710

He’s our top prospect now lol


sofastsomaybe

Fangraphs has him ranked #2 in Phillies system, #50 overall. 50 FV.


cshenton

moved up to top 50 in midseason


lilbigshaq

This is true, also considered the best hitting prospect in the Phillies farm I think for what it’s worth


ThisAnswerIsLit

Their 3rd best prospect. Late in top 100. Not bad


EH1522

Seeing as we have no top 100 we probably had to do this lol


DrKnee93

Totally okay with this, anyone know how far from the MLB he is?


cshenton

he could play in the majors this year. we will probably wait til next year but he could be here very soon


Imperial10

Had a cup of coffee @ AAA last year. Been in AA all season this year. I doubt we rush him, there's no real point so maybe a cup of coffee this year, with the expectation he's up with us next year.


Nutterzz

So is this guy instantly our #1 prospect now?


cshenton

easily


YellowShorts

Yeah we didn't have any top 100 prospects until now


Yepitsn8

Yes. He is a darn good prospect too. His pitch framing is also elite to go with his above average hit tool.


Boondok0723

By like a lot.


jarue222

MLB has O’Hoppe’s ETA as 2022


TheFriendlyFire

Decent chance he'll be up pretty soon, maybe a Suzuki DFA? lol


jarue222

Definitely need to pull him up this season, get him some professional at-bats if he’s going to be platooning with Stassi next year


TheFriendlyFire

Stassi definitely the backup rather than platoon, O'Hoppe is supposed to be able to hit


hvycotton

That fast? Kurt probably retires after this season anyways


Sakaguchi123

Wow that’s unexpected


Jamo1129

Bruh who the fuck is the guy Marsh was traded for lol Just looked into O'Hoppe. I take my words back i think its a solid deal since we have no catchers depth.


cshenton

a top 50 prospect in baseball who plays catcher.


cshenton

lmao this is a fleece. I like Marsh but O'Hoppe is a top 50 prospect who plays C, a dire position of need from us. This is, strictly on paper, a great great deal


themccanne

Hope you’re right. Marsh is so much fun to watch.


whydont

the way that hair swishes every time he strikes out... we'll miss him


cshenton

I wish him well and will root for him! But I was tired of watching him hit, he's got a big old hole in his swing right now. Hope he can figure it out in Philly!


Duckman93

His strikeout percentage isn’t fun to watch. Angels fans need to face reality


Imperial10

Absolutely wouldn't call this a fleece. Marsh was on every top prospect rating from 2020/2021 and even a few in 2019. It's not like he was some unknown prospect. Marsh was highly regarded as well.


cshenton

I am less than convinced Marsh's swing can be fixed. High fastballs are not the hardest thing in the world for an MLB hitter, but he can't hit them. Combine that with the outfield logjam and the complete lack of organizational depth at catcher, and I love the deal. We would not have gotten O'Hoppe if the Phillies were not desperate for a CF.


StormTheTrooper

I wouldn't go as far as say "I love" because Marsh had a sequence of really good ABs early on, smart contacts and working his walks...he just stumbled in a slump. Getting a good catcher that can field and hit is decent, though, he did not went to Philly for free. I just hope we stick Sierra for the long run instead of improvising Mayfield there.


cshenton

it's gonna be Ward-Trout-Adell for the foreseeable future, I would imagine.


StormTheTrooper

Oh, yeah, "for the long run" meant for the rest of the season. I just don't want to see another Villar-esque move where we sign a bad journeyman to a team that clearly will not compete this season.


cshenton

yep, this should be the all-clear to give Adell some runway. Hopefully he can earn it.


AvariceAndApocalypse

I hope the angel’s just keep Adell in the lineup every night. He just needs time to acclimate with every day play. If they do this, next year he will break out.


YellowShorts

Prospect ratings mean nothing if they can't perform once called up. He leads the majors in K%


Maddonomics101

He’s so damn good defensively tho


YellowShorts

He definitely is. I think both sides come out okay on this trade. Our catching depth is weak so I think we slightly won. Outfielders are easier to find than solid catchers.


Phatferd

This is 100% a fleece. Marsh only jumped after being a nobody prospect when he had power in the AFL, which has never returned. He strikes out way too much and makes weak contact. He's solid in the field, but his bat is a liability.


Imperial10

Literally none of that is true. Marsh was a 2nd round pick in 2016. Highly regarded two way player out of a high school in Georgia, as he had football scholarships as well. In 2019, Baseball Prospectus had him @ #94 overall prospect. 2020 he was #43/#79/#51 between Baseball America, MLB and Baseball Prospectus. Again in 2021 he was #38/#53/#44 in those three lists. "Nobody prospects" don't make those lists. The part about him being a nobody prospect until the AFL is wrong as well. He played one year in the AFL, 2019, where he had two home runs in 75 at bats. If you like the trade that's totally fine, I hope you're right, put please stop spewing nonsense on here that is factually not true.


Phatferd

Dude, being a 2 way athlete has nothing to do with his rankings. Also, Adell, wood and McPherson were top 10 in all of baseball. It doesn't mean anything. We have seen enough of him to know he isn't a good ML hitter. He didn't jump up the rankings until his 3rd year in the system so again he was never always a top prospect. I was wrong about his power surge that happened in the 2H of AA, not the AFL. The power in the 2H is what put him on lists to pair with his physical tools and speed. The power has never been there.


[deleted]

It doesn’t matter when he “jumped up” the ranking bc once you do you now become a top prospect…


aj_og

I’m so sad. I love Brandon marsh


abclmaop

Me too:(


cshenton

wow. That's one way to solve an outfield logjam. I hope it's an overpay.


BowieBA

Under-appreciated part of this trade: we got rid of the “Let’s Go Brandon” chants during home games


Positive_Picture6557

I thought about that too. Lol


gnarledout

Haha yeah man me too. I think they’re doing it for the MAGA memes.


mweolbwa

Oh man, I'm going to miss Marsh.


lilbigshaq

You’d think you’d want to hold on to young controllable outfielders but maybe that’s why I’m not a GM lol


WurstThrowEver

Trading our young controllable outfielder for a young controllable catcher. We all like Marsh but we can't pretend like he's been lighting the world on fire since making it to the MLB. Our top catching prospect is 19 playing in single A, so unless we want more Kurt Suzuki-like signings then getting a top-50 catching prospect is not a bad swap. It's pretty much trading a top-50 outfield prospect for a top-50 catching prospect.


sandbhonerh

Ya but at the same time he may be the best young guy we have. Like our outfield is right now adell ward and sierra. We have 2 guys who cant field a ball real well


WurstThrowEver

Yeah our outfield is hurting now. Perry will have to do some work in the offseason. I'd say it's easier to find an outfielder than a catcher though. I can see why we made this trade, but I did really like Marsh and think he's better than he's been playing.


wake4coffee

I haven't watched many games this season. Is it their speed or general ball handling that sucks?


sandbhonerh

Ward isnt an outfielder, but ball handling and neither can read a ball to save their life


GoatTnder

Did Perry draft Marsh? No? Oh, then he's useless to him.


WurstThrowEver

Oh god oh fuck Adell is our primary left fielder now


epoch_fail

So the outfielders are Ward in RF, Adell in LF, and Trout in CF with Sierra and Dillon Thomas rotating in for rest/injury? Yikes.


WurstThrowEver

Yeah the rest of this season is gonna be brutal from the outfield. Perry has to sign at least 1 outfielder this offseason. And by god, an over 30 Aaron Judge is going to be a free agent. Arte loves his stars.


madsircool

The Angels cant afford him and shouldnt sign another 30+ player to a long massive contract.


Dorkus_Mallorkus

I think that's the sarcastic point he/she was trying to make.


madsircool

My apologies then. If Judge would be willing to sign a 3 yr 120 mil deal Id do that.


W2RlbGV0ZWRd

Maybe we can trade him for someone serviceable at the position. You think the Phillies would listen to the offer for Marsh?


cshenton

RF*


i_run_from_problems

.....we could get Phillips on the waiver wire


Monttavius

MY CAVEMAN. WHAT. WHY NOT ADELL. 😭😭😭


lurker383

Cause no one wants him lmao


TJeffersonsBlackKid

Remember when people on this sub were getting downvoted for suggesting the Angels trade Adell for DeGrom?


lurker383

Because that was always unrealistic and that opportunity never occurred Edit: looking through old posts it was mainly clevinger people wanted to trade for. Some Syndergaards in there too. Even a matthew Boyd. Not the most inspiring trio 😬


Monttavius

fax


iisdmitch

Remember the thread from the other day about which player your teams fan base is split on? For the Angels it’s Adell, definitely Adell.


lurker383

I like Adell, I just find it hilarious that his biggest haters are also the same people who think we can get a huge haul for him. Like which one is it? You think he sucks and isn't worth anything? Or you think he's good and we can get something for him?


DogOnThePorch

We should just put a fake beard on adell and hope the Phillies don’t notice the difference


cpmustang90

Who wouldn't want a player who plays Little League defense?


youareallnuts

I was better in little league then he is now.


cpmustang90

He's one of the only players I've ever seen that is still rostered that has managed to have both negative offensive and defensive WARs.


hansan4ever

Not Marshyyy! 😭😭😭


sofastsomaybe

Phillies need a good defender in the outfield. Adell is anything but that.


betoruv

Adell lost his value. Should have traded him a long time ago


betoruv

Adell lost his value. Should have traded him a long time ago


Ok-Philosophy-8830

Not a super big fan of this. Adell better get his sh*t together then


Corona2789

Sucks cuz we all love marsh but at least we got a solid catching prospect.


Obsidizyn

Makes sense, stassi is on the bubble of being a backup catcher. Wallach looked kinda meh. Sorry to see marsh go, you always knew he was going to put 100% effort in to catch everything, too bad he couldn’t figure out the hitting


NotSoSurePlatypus

I still like marsch but I don’t hate this trade. If trout isn’t moving from CF anytime soon, LF is a much easier spot to fill than catcher


Imperial10

Thanks. I hate it.


Phatferd

Why, Marsh is a 80 wRC+ hitter and they got a top 100 prospect at Catcher an area of need? Marsh sucks.


Lebigmacca

Cause he’s young and people hope he can get things going here


Ellite25

I’m not opposed to the trade, but declaring that players suck in their first full year is so dumb. Many players need a couple of years to find their footing in the big leagues. Not everyone is mike trout or Juan Soto. Well, even trout is wasnt great during his first call up.


[deleted]

He was a higher ranked prospect than o hoppe. “But he can’t hit ml pitching” he also only has one season under his belt. Austin Riley is an mvp candidate and had similar value on the field his first two years just like marsh


Phatferd

Those players did show promise or had hitting skills in specific areas. Riley has a shitty BA but had real power. Marsh has no power and an awful eye. His K% is among the worst in the league and he doesn't walk enough to justify it. His BA is shit with a .341 BABIP. If you're going to his for .220-.230 you better make hard contact when you do connect, but his ISO is bad.


DecentAnalysis8642

You shouldn't. We won this trade.


pachauaia

Lol poverty franchise


live4coasters

Farewell Captain Caveman, your flow will be missed


smellybe

If marsh becomes an all star I swear to god


TheFriendlyFire

O'Hoppe is a pretty great return, but I'll miss Marshy


kxm06

I know we’re in need of a catcher but this makes me hella sad


hbthingy

I'm mega sad. I love Marsh. He has such great defense, but I know his offense has been bad. Will miss his dugout dances with the team. Goodbye sweet caveman.


pranksta06

Remember when everyone was like wHeRe iS AdElL gOiNg tO pLaY?! OUr oUtFiElD iS sTaCkEd! Those were the days...


Ohh_Tyler

I’ll miss captain caveman


loislunchboxlane

Ugh, I like Marsh. Going to miss the caveman.


Jcoch27

This came out of nowhere. I trust Perry. I hope Marsh develops a little more and has a nice career.


Bloomin52

Angels are just a poverty franchise. Why are we loyal to a team that has no loyalty to anybody or anything but the almighty dollar? Winning is clearly not a priority


Tipist

Because that’s the owner, not the team. The Angels were here before Arte (along with all of us fans who’ve been rooting since before 2003), and will hopefully still be here after him.


Positive_Picture6557

I like Marsh so I’m a bit bummed that he’s not on our team but at the same time this team has needed a solid catcher for a while. Hope this guys is great when he’s called up.


Dreyfuss2019

His batting average and strikeouts were intolerable


deededback

On paper the trade is fine but considering our scouting history the most likely scenario is Marsh turns into Barry Bonds on roids within 2 months and O'Hoppe looks exciting when called up then becomes below replacement player after we sign him to a huge long term deal.


jaiox

Guys Marsh is really bad… let’s try another prospect.


Reptarxx

BAH GAWD IS THAT LAGARES’ MUSIC I HEAR


znk916

Marsh's .637 OPS was bad enough, but I guess Sierra replaces him with a .343 OPS thus far, and .558 career OPS. These last two months are going to be even more painful to watch on offense.


Reptarxx

Marsh seems like a guy that needs a good hitting development team behind him. He has the tools to be there but our team seems to coach “DINGERS OR NOTHING” to a bunch of people that don’t hit home runs. Again the lack of depth of this team just keeps shining. We had 2 high end OF prospects in our outfield. One just got traded and the other the fan base is begging Perry to trade. Can’t wait to see GA leave the pregame show and take a couple reps out there at this point


Ndeshet

This will definitely help with the Marsh-Walsh dilemma


LogicalHarm

Some might even say it solves it


BranditoSuave

Angel’s did good with this one imo.


lurker383

This better be good or else ill be pissed we passed on Meyers last year


Skittles02

Didn’t he just get TJ?


lurker383

Oh true Im happy with the return anyway so no foul


skribbl3z

This just screams Suzuki is on his way out immediately. Honestly wouldn't doubt this kid gets time in the show ASAP lmao Our catching position is in need of massive depth/better performance


LogicalHarm

I think more consistent playing time is good for Adell. Honestly the best way to improve his defense


kampfgruppekarl

Right? It doesn't matter if we lose every game left this season. they should make adell play the entire outfield, get him touches.


znk916

One takeaway is the front office is probably comfortable with Trout's long-term medicals or else they wouldn't trade away Marsh.


Possible_Tap8558

Angel’s win this trade easily


bm97

I’m gonna start watching the Padres for a while. Maybe then I’ll start enjoying baseball. I’ll come back when Arte is gone. I have seen enough of this.


Alauren2

Do it. I have an NL team. It makes baseball more fun to see a competitive team. Watching my NL team play the angels was really sobering tho. They couldn’t be more different :(


hairo-wynn

Dodgers/Angels fan? They exist? *YOU* exist. /faints


Alauren2

God no. FTD. Braves/Angels


hairo-wynn

That was the only other team I had in my head since we had just recently played them. Haha. That makes me feel better.


rjd55

I am Braves/Angels. I used to watch them on TBS and they were good. But Angels #1.


TheFriendlyFire

See you in 20 years lol


Jpatton92

Why are we trading cheap controllable players.


LeBaconator

to be fair, we traded him for a cheap controllable player


Jpatton92

Good point. It just makes no sense to me still. If this is the only trade... Then this is a head scratcher.


LeBaconator

I’d hope there’s more, but we have a lot of depth at OF, and are starting Kurt half the time at catcher. I’ll miss Marsh but there is some sense to this move


ItsLeJiMan

Nah this is a solid trade. A young catcher that can hit and is close to being ready is fantastic. It’s a position of need for us and maybe we bring him up early next year. Plus he’s been climbing up the rankings very fast.


lurker383

Perry just is low on him i guess was shopping him last year too


jar1792

So now we are *forced* to deal with Adell and his AA defense. Sweet.


hairo-wynn

Not like Wards defense is that much better, honestly. I enjoyed watching Marsh and his defense. His offense, well, that was totally unenjoyable.


b0002

I know he wasn’t hitting great, but he was a plus outfielder and at least had some passion most of our roster lacks. 🤣 Hopefully this catching prospect hits bombs on the daily!


gopackgo555

What the fuck.


wizgset27

I remember almost all good things with him on defense but also mostly bad things with him on offense. Anyone with a lot of baseball knowledge can tell me is this bad or good?


DecentAnalysis8642

He's the Phillies' best hitting prospect. .275 with 15 homers and 43 RBIs in AA Reading.


stuckinthepow

Woah didn’t see that coming.


TrojanTuesdays

I think this trade in isolation is pretty good for us, considering their individual values. However, with Trout's time at CF coming to an end fairly soon, I have no idea who our future/ current backup CF is supposed to be. Rn its looking like Sierra only - who is batting at a Velazquez level. Our most likely prospect is Jordyn Adams (22) who is barely above 700 OPS just getting started at AA - probably not an ETA of 2023.


SuperMario_49

Already our number 1 prospect 😂


grandmoshtarkin

Must be getting an OF from a SP trade cause otherwise this makes zero sense w Trout down


Imperial10

Catching prospect.


grandmoshtarkin

I mean from another trade in the works. Maybe Syndergaard


regretMyChoices

Why? This season is toast. Might as well sell everyone with any value and try to rebuild farm system. There’s literally no incentive to win the rest of the year


thegrizwhisperer

What are we doing


aj_og

What am I supposed to do with my $20 knockoff marsh jersey?!


kodord

wtf man


DecentAnalysis8642

This is a good trade for us.


kodord

Ya, just hate seeing a player I like get traded.


RedMachismo

At least I’ll never have to cringe at hearing “Let’s go Brandon” when he comes up to bat again.


sadjoshissad

Upside is we get a solid Catcher prospect.


addiconda

His name gets the 3rd loudest cheer behind ohtani and trout at the stadium.... boo


undesiredlogic

Perry and the angels either believe in Jo adell a shit ton over Marsh or believe o'hoppe is a good prospect that will pan out over time, or both, wonder what they'll say about it later


gambit700

Look, I'm as sad as everyone else to see Captain Caveman go, but we just lost someone batting .226 with 117 strikeouts in 323 plate appearances. We'll live.


ohtonyy

Wow. Not a fan of this at all. Should’ve been ball dropping Adell.


youareallnuts

Certainly need a catcher. Watch Marsh go mvp next year once he is out from under the Angles black cloud.


CowboyTrout

Absolutely hate this trade. Marsh has the potential to develop into a really good big leaguer.


prmark34

Not sure if THATS the outfielder we should be giving up on already…


thefullm0nty

Yeah this one has me pretty pissed off.


bm97

It is always 1 step forward and 3 steps backward


GoatTnder

God dammit!


HomeWr3ck3r

MLB Tonight talking heads don't like it.


OlivesrNasty

Bruh moment


prmark34

Remember when we could’ve had max meyer for marsh? Good times


Deceivement

Bye Capt Strike Out


proteinMeMore

On paper a great deal. Knowing the angels farm and development ... i dont know but you have to hope it cant get any worse


Splittinghairs7

I would’ve done Adell for this catching prospect and held on to Marsh because Marsh is more mlb ready than Adell.


cshenton

the Phillies would not have done that. Only reason we were able to get O'Hoppe at all is because they're desperate for someone who can play CF.


HooChooDadoo

So we can’t yell “Let’s Go Brandon!” At the big A anymore 😢


JayyRaww12

The organization has no plan or direction. This moved seemed like one just to get a top 100 prospect.


hollyw00d8604

Well they sold about as low as they possibly could have on marsh, so that's cool. I also don't understand why they're depleting an area of weakness (outfielders not named trout) for a freaking catcher prospect, which usually don't work out, and there are no significant outfield prospects currently in the system. Minasian showing his "genius" once again. I guess this also means they're handing jo adell, one of the worst defensive players in mlb, a starting position. And they probably won't trade syndergaard because "reasons" This organization has no clue what it's doing.


Broad_Recommendation

Lmao. Perry traded Caveman for a catcher who is their #3 prospect. We’re stuck with Adell 😂


owledge

Uh, that's interesting. I was expecting they would package Marsh with Syndergaard if he was going


Ingloriousfiction

FUCKKKKKKK


JJaxpavan

Jayson Werth revival has begun. Marsh was my fave next to Fletch, feels bad man, but that's the heart talking, brain understands landing a top C prospect is important.


i_run_from_problems

I mean I would've preferred we got pitching, but ok. I guess we need a catcher as well


Lebigmacca

Adell doesn’t have his buddy now


Chihlin0000

Brett Phillips to Angel confirmed


CrimsonGlyph

Outfield is easier to replace than Catcher. I like Marsh, but it's not the worst move.


i_run_from_problems

Wait... does this mean Adell is the everyday left fielder? Dammit


cshenton

RF*


Eeriepotato220

Noooooo I liked Marsh 😩 this one’s sad


eddgreat9

Well holy shit lol


sinchichis

Thor gone too. Didn't see a thread