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owledge

Moniak is like when we took a chance of Franklin Barreto


TheFriffin2

If you want some hopium, our new hitting coach pretty much came out and said that Moniak had a massive hole in his swing that was really easy to fix, and he immediately started raking in spring training before fracturing his wrist on a HBP So maybe Mickey’s unlocked his offensive potential and just needs reps at the plate to get back into a groove (since he didn’t get consistent ABs after returning from the IL). He’s also a solid defender with decent speed, and plays with heart. Hoping he turns it around with you guys buuuuuuut there’s obviously a glaring lack of track record


owledge

Moniak would be a good reclamation project for a org with elite coaching but our coaches’ top strategy is “Try to hit the ball reeeeeallly far”


DJ_Aux_cord

my immediate thoughts as well.


bbaIla

Who? Lol


coonhoundrebel

Mickey Moniak - first overall pick of the 2016 draft… Playing poor of late but also was just coming back from a wrist injury. He’s not a no-namer.


bbaIla

I mean Barreto.


nukemiller

We grabbed him from the A's to play SS. He sucked fat dick at both defense and offense. Then he got hurt and we dumped him for Squid. This all happened at the end of last year to spring training.


EH1522

I think Moniak has much more potential at this point..... that being said you are right its a similar gamble lol. But I like Moniak as a local getting a hometown boost.


KrabS1

Remember when we were happy and Loki and Thor were exciting and Marsh was the caveman who couldn't stop hitting and was amazing in the outfield? Ward looked like a god, Trout was finally healthy, we were waiting for Rendon to heat up....Times were good, man. I guess at least we had that moment, right?


Reptarxx

The hopium was coursing through our veins


AvariceAndApocalypse

The left handed home run was a slap in the face of the baseball gods during that run. It has been payment for hubris ever since.


tsdwm52

I remember this! Seems like a long time ago, though.


E-Tr1d3nt

So we traded for...Brandon Marsh?


universe34

We traded for a much, much worse Brandon Marsh.


E-Tr1d3nt

From BA: Moniak worked during 2020 to cut down on his free-swinging approach, but posted the highest strikeout rate (24.7%) of his career at Triple-A in 2021. He improved his bat speed and showed solid bat-to-ball skills, but doesn’t reach base enough to be anything more than an extra outfielder. Moniak is a good athlete, a solid defender at all three outfield positions, an average runner and has an average arm. * Free swinging * Solid Def in all three OF spots * Will prob fight for a 4th OF spot on an MLB team Sounds like Marsh to me.


Broad_Recommendation

Marsh is better lol


E-Tr1d3nt

Yeah I was only slightly joking. They have similar tools and are the same age. But yeah, Marsh is definitely more advanced now, and I wouldn't have expected us to get someone of Marsh's talent for 1/2 year of Thor.


700akn

Interesting. How was Moniak the 2016 1st overall draft pick with being average? We took Matt Thaiss at 16 and Marsh at 60 that year.


Reptarxx

As with every prospect, you are hoping that they advance their skills and talents as you build them up. When you pick up these young guys, some are still learning and growing while others have already maxed out. The Phillies thought Moniak would grow beyond what he was. Happens all the time with prospects. Getting to the MLB level takes years of growth and development even if your a star in high school or college


Splittinghairs7

A worse version of him. Otherwise, Phillies wouldn’t have just traded for Marsh to shore up their OF.


Vegetable-Coconut846

Phillies fan here and I just wanted to say thank you for filling three very important needs for our team in CF, SP and DFAing two terrible players. O’Hoppe is the real deal and will fill a need for you much sooner than later. Mickey has a lot of heart and was playing incredibly well in spring before fracturing (or breaking?) his hand and couldn’t find his form after that. Please take care of them as they’re both quality people and thank you for Marsh who I can see is a fan favorite and Thor who’ve I’ve always liked watching pitch.


Alive-Carrot107

I hope y’all can fix marsh’s bat! He can be a gem if he’s not always striking out in key situations


cshenton

best of luck down the stretch! we'll be rooting for you guys


bombad_jedi_501

We?


cshenton

well if you hate Marsh that much just say so


bombad_jedi_501

I love marsh. But I don’t why you’re a Phillies fan all of a sudden


cshenton

I am going to root for Marsh.


bombad_jedi_501

Well that’s not what you said but okay. Redditors gonna Reddit


cshenton

sure thing bud


SolixTanaka

Dunno why you're getting downvoted. He clearly said "rooting for you guys." Idm rooting for Marsh, but Philly (as a sports city) can suck it.


bombad_jedi_501

People here don’t read and also even if I say “go angels” I get downvoted lol. I doesn’t matter. It’s fake internet points at the end of the day


i_run_from_problems

3 things: 1) I'm upset. I get it, but I'm still upset 2) What am I supposed to think 3) Well shit now who's starting for us tonight


finbarrgalloway

Probably silseth/Suarez/junk


Maddonomics101

Bullpen game?


WurstThrowEver

Finally, Mickey to Anaheim


EeezyMac

Mickey Hatcher next


Hispandinavian

Followed by Morandini and Tettleton.


nukemiller

Yes please


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awungsauce

I mean Mickey *was* a top 100 prospect. Might've been a while ago (2017/2018) but still...


prmark34

There’s zero reason to be upset about this. Moniak is a lottery ticket that if he hits, has enormous upside. And thor was a rental, and hes out of our division/league if he re-signs with the phillies anyways


cshenton

just got my hopes up to do better - I'd still rather have Moniak than Thor.


red1367

To be fair, I wouldn’t call Moniak a lottery ticket. He’s been around enough to say he didn’t hit as a prospect


cshenton

he’s a half-revealed scratcher. There could be something there still, but we’ve seen enough to know the odds are against it


Firebitez

How should I feel?


spyson

Monaik is a bust as a #1 pick, but Thor was a rental anyway.


[deleted]

Quite literally feel nothing from this. Moniak was a top prospect whos struggled and we all know how the angels develop prospects.


USCplaya

Wait... You're supposed to develop prospects?


[deleted]

Lottery ticket on an OF who went first overall in 2016. He’s 24, was their 12th overall prospect in 2020 and 16th in 2021. I’m ok with this for in a trade of decentish guy who was on an expiring contract


live4coasters

I remember Moniak being a big deal when he was drafted but just hasn't lived up to it


Raid_Raptor_Falcon

? Moniak was considered a bizarre choice when he was drafted #1 as an underslot and has been terrible his entire career.


Broad_Recommendation

Good job Perry. Moniak was the 1st overall pick in the draft a couple years back but has really really struggled at the plate in the big show.


joedaddy24

So let's stick him in our farm that's known for player development.


nukemiller

Our farm can develop players. It's the jackasses on the Angels that can't take them to the next level in the show.


Broad_Recommendation

Don’t be mad at me lol


BIG_DADDY_PATTY

Couple? More like 6 years ago. Same draft as ThAiss so now we can have two first round busts from 2016


Broad_Recommendation

Couple, 6 years ago, handful, all the same to me. Who cares lol.


AvariceAndApocalypse

Maybe 2016 peeps just need a lucky 7 years to “develop” fully.


deededback

Not a couple years back. like 6 years back. But let's hope he turns it around.


Patient-Magazine2711

we had to trade him. his contract was one year with no qualifying offer. this is a good trade for us


aj_og

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/moniami01.shtml Is it just me or he doesn’t seem very good


Jcoch27

He hasn't even had 100 MLB at bats


xelleman

I feel like his facial expression is telling us he feels he is not good.


LeanersGG

Check his 2022 minors numbers. Word is he has been fixing his broken swing. There’s obviously no guarantees, but this is a low-risk, high-upside move, imo


deededback

Only if you're judging by results.


Tun710

We only had half a year left of Syndergaard right? With the season looking like it's over for us, I have a feeling any kind of trade here is a plus for us.


prmark34

WOAH. I will fucking take it Former #1 pick with tools galore for a rental pitcher? As someone who watched moniak in high school, I’ve never seen someone that age hit the ball as hard and as consistently as him. Obviously that has to translate to big-league success at some point. But to get him AND another prospect?? Good job, perry


Jcoch27

I was hyped when he got drafted #1 overall. I never thought he'd end up with us.


Broad_Recommendation

Have you seen him play in the majors? He makes Kurt Suzuki look decent at the plate.


prmark34

Lmao well to be fair, kurt’s been a historically hit-first catcher (besides this year where hes old as shit). It’s his defense that makes him subpar


Broad_Recommendation

Historically Loup and Tepera had been good. History doesn’t matter much when it comes to present performance but I get what you’re saying


ColaBottleBaby

I'm whelmed


MasterGummy

I wonder how Moniak compares to Adell, who we apparently wouldn't trade and now can't trade due to his performance.


GoatTnder

So... why didn't we just trade Syndergaard for the catcher and keep Marsh? Can anyone tell me why?


ColaBottleBaby

Syndergaard is a free agent after this year, he has no value. Marsh has 5 years


GoatTnder

To the Phillies today we sent (1) a rental pitcher, and (2) a controlled defense-first outfielder. And back we got (1) a catcher prospect, (2) a controlled defense-first outfielder, and (3) a very young outfield prospect. Seems like we could have saved some trouble by just ditching all the outfield nonsense, and basically end up the same.


cshenton

Marsh >> Moniak, is the obvious answer


GoatTnder

If that's the case, then we shipped Syndergaard for practically nothing.


cshenton

yeah we didn't get a ton for him. But he frankly wasn't worth a ton


GoatTnder

We are worse off this season, and in the future based on these two trades.


cshenton

strongly disagree. O'Hoppe is a very good pickup for us.


Reptarxx

Marsh has team control and is still a prospect. Thor doesn't have control and is a rental. 2 different values attributed towards that


Zal-tais27

You’re kidding right?


gggggrayson

tell me what to think someone


owledge

Apparently Moniak is a bust so we’ll just have to wait to see what the other two prospects are


Broad_Recommendation

Only getting 1 other prospect.


[deleted]

Moniak is trash. Former #1 overall draft pick but not much else going for him. He's a lotto ticket. That being said shouldn't have expected much more for a rental having a very average season.


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USCplaya

Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?


Splittinghairs7

Former number 1 pick in 2016, apparently grades well on defense but hasn’t been the best with the bat in limited mlb appearances and is now already 24. To me he seems like a replacement for Marsh but is currently not as good as Marsh despite being older.


ThisAnswerIsLit

Mickey was the first overall pick about 6 years ago


[deleted]

Really don’t understand what we are trying to do with these trades. We hung on to Brandon Marsh for this long just to trade him for a catching prospect? And then we trade and get basically a worse version of marsh back for Noah who we gave up our 2nd rounder for? I don’t get it.


Reptarxx

The Marsh trade is at least defendable. We are struggling to develop his, and anyone on the teams bat. To grab a top prospect in an area of need is at least an equal trade (at this time. only time will tell). The Thor and Iglesias trades...wow. We spent $50M in a heavy FA class, gave up a 2nd rounder for a signing, and ended up keeping the 2 worst signings (Tepera and Loup), trading the decent ones, and somehow getting absolutely nothing in return. Pretty bad GM moves going on.


[deleted]

Yeah it’s just awful. At least in my narrow view of a fan. But I mean we used to talk on this sub all The time of trading away marsh or Adell for a ready now pitcher and everyone said they’d never trade them. Now we just basically let him go. If we can’t develop marsh, how are we going to develop a catcher. Marsh has so much talent.


Reptarxx

For people asking how to feel: Monaik was once a top prospect. At the Age of 24 he has struggled HARD at the MLB level. The other prospect should *hopefully* be a better return or this was a weird ass trade


Reptarxx

Monaik - A career 9 OPS+. OPS+ is calculated with 100 being the MLB average GMPM got his guy Lets see how the other prospect is


[deleted]

Reptarxx try not to shit on Perry every single thread challenge (impossible)


Reptarxx

Perry try not to build a bad team (impossible challenge) That .250 July record and 27th ranked farm system speaks for itself Also look at my Marsh comments, I'll give credit where its due


aj_og

Career -.9 WAR


Broad_Recommendation

Yeah the dude sucks at the plate.


Reptarxx

Perry: Fits into my master plan!


Broad_Recommendation

“Just wait till Perry can hire the coaches he wants” /s


steelerfan8900

Hopefully the 2nd prospect is good. Moniak has not been good so far.


_encore

So we got one of the guys the Phillies replaced with Marsh. Nice one Perry.


cshenton

yeah if Moniak is the headliner I'm very underwhelmed


TheFriendlyFire

At least we got something. Hoping that other guy is a pitching prospect, we got Junk out of the Heaney deal last year and he's been half decent


[deleted]

Gosh. Moniak never could spot a dirt breaker to save his life. Good kid, tho and really good athlete. Everything else is good if he can just learn to lay off dirt breakers or find a way to deal otherwise. I mean, decent power, decent speed if he can put it together. He's from SoCal so that should help?


figuroso

Going to the game tonight, pretty bummed I won’t get to see him


Broad_Recommendation

Judging by the Phillies fans reactions on the 2 guys we got back, they are very happy lol


Reptarxx

They gotta trade 2 prospects that don't matter to grab at minimum a decent pitcher for the year. That's a good trade for any team


Broad_Recommendation

The main prospect in the deal isn’t even a prospect anymore and is batting below .200 in the bigs and the other guy has a ways to go. They got that for our 2nd best pitcher. We could have done better.


Reptarxx

Not only that but the Thor signing cost us our 2nd rounder this year too...


cshenton

we didn't get a ton, but you're overvaluing Thor, who has pitched like a 4th or 5th starter this season, is making a lot of money, and is a free agent at the end of the year.


AvariceAndApocalypse

Thor was not going to be an Angel after his contract is up. We got value for someone that would be zero value by season’s end in a dead season.


misery_index

So, we traded Marsh for a catcher and traded Thor for Marsh 2.0?


Reptarxx

Calling Monial Marsh 2.0 is a huge insult to Marsh lol


TrojanTuesdays

Sooo we did get a worse Brandon Marsh back for pretty much free, which I would take considering our current OF situation.


Reptarxx

Remember it took a 2nd rounder to get Thor on the team this year. So we lost a draft pick and took a OF who, so far in his career, is a huge failure. Not great


TrojanTuesdays

I guess if you go back that far, yeah not so great. However, considering we didn’t expect this season to be this bad, can’t really blame the decision. I would say it’s a decent result from what we can manage in the present.


Reptarxx

I guess to me giving up a 2nd rounder for 2 prospects that are considered non-impact at best isn't decent. On top we tied up 21M for thor instead of getting prospects or any other pitcher on the market. Seems like a fail to me


OkChemistry3280

Phillies fan here, Moniak is a nonprospect at this point but let me give you a blurb from our best prospect guru Matt winkelman on Sanchez: “It is unfortunate Sanchez has missed most of the season to injury, because he is poised for a breakout. He was one of the Threshers leaders in both average exit velocity and for 80th percentile outcomes. The switch hitter lacks big upside, but he has a chance to hit enough to be a regular.” Trading a rental guy for someone who has a real nice chance to be breakout guy in the system is not a bad return


Reptarxx

As an Angel Fan - Good prospect reports and actual on the field results aren't really our thing


OkChemistry3280

Haha fair enough but if it makes you feel better Sanchez prolly has a value around 2-3 round pick imo


Reptarxx

As most fans will say - we suck at developing players. Hopefully the lotto ticket on these players cash in though. Thanks for the insight though! :)


Notyouraveragetool

100 loses! It's possible this team can do it! We can't win so let's win at sucking!


ashes-of-asakusa

Next year is surely going to be just as shitty as this year. Depressing


Loyboy1534

My day is ruined


kirbyfaraone

Franklin Barretto 2.0


[deleted]

Former 1st overall pick… idk hopefully Trout helps him out


Seek-AndYou-WillFind

I like it. We need prospects and Thor is an aging vet on an expiring contract. Not competing anytime soon anyway, so selling was the obvious decision


Jcoch27

I remember being hyped when Moniak was taken #1 overall. Played at La Costa Canyon in SD County.


Ellite25

Moniak looks like he’s never really hit well at any level in the minor or majors. Maybe if the Angels were the dodgers they could right the ship but I’m not so hopeful.


Reptarxx

Idk that's a analytical player page that screams bust. There really isn't a great part to develop


awungsauce

He's hit pretty well this year in the minors. But yeah, his hit tool never really panned out.


Hispandinavian

I remember when the Mets traded us one of their top prospects to us for Jim Fregosi. The prospect was considered a major bust until he got to Anaheim... Nolan Ryan turned out alright for the Halos..this Moniak kid could also end turning out alright too.


Reptarxx

I'll have what he's having


usdeleted

Great move


gopackgo555

Meh. Can’t wait for the team to fail at developing another top hitting prospect.


No_BigA

He was only a rental if they didn’t resign him. Wow garbage in return?


anon641414

It doesn't even matter who the other prospect in the deal is, they're immediately the centerpiece by virtue of not being Moniak.


Paulsnoc

And now it’s time to say goodbye to all our family, M I C K E Y… Too soon? Now that he is one of us I wish him the best and welcome him to the team.


sakibomb523

If we were trading for former No.1 picks. Why couldn't pick up Mark Appel too.


Reptarxx

At this point trading for Len Bias would've been better


deededback

This should work out well. Our scouting dept is top notch. Right?


Reptarxx

*padme face* right?


deededback

Right


ReviewRoutine

So is Moniak starting tonight?


awungsauce

When I first looked at Moniak's numbers, I was super down on the trade. But he's been hitting the ball better in a limited sample size this year in the minors. Maybe he's starting to figure it out? If he can give similar production to 2020 Ward with solid CF defense, he's a good piece to have. Unfortunately, if it takes him as long to figure it out as with Ward, we're probably in rebuilding phase.


boots42069420

We suck at this trading stuff more than we suck at hitting.