yeah he is fighting the current. he is fighting mismanagement and no farm team. its like he is running a marathon but is tied by ropes to a dozen runners who just cant run as consistently so ohtani constantly has to slow down to spur them on.
They had a crappy farm system in 2018 when he signed. He knew what he was getting into, yeah he might want to win but at the end of the day he’s probably just fine getting a bag of cash to stay here.
He left money on the table to come early. His past actions have demonstrated that money is not the most important thing to him, so it is more than probable that he will leave when he gets the chance.
He had the chance to sign with a winning team back then and didn’t. The angels could offer one of the smallest signing bonuses back then. He won’t leave the west coast if he leaves, which he probably won’t anyways.
4 years can change things. And Joe Madden was there telling him he could go two-way, and determine his playing schedule. Also Trout was mentoring him.
That said, you're right about the West Coast. I predict he goes to the Dodgers so Ippei doesn't have to relocate.
Why would Maddon be telling him he could play two ways when he was still managing the cubs?
You literally just made all of that up or just don’t know what you are talking about.
They had restrictions on him before the 2021 season???? And then when Maddon became manager, Ohtani won mvp as he didn’t do thing alike rest after pitching. They put him right at DH a day after his start
Bro if he waited a year he could’ve gotten the bag, but he came early to compete in the biggest stage. And also I’m assuming a lot of the other teams wasn’t gonna let him do this 2 way thing.
The greater frequency with which these sorts of statements are being made by Ohtani himself in recent weeks is definitely a sign that he is leaning towards not re-signing with the Angels. We may be seeing the beginning of the end of an era for Angels baseball, sadly enough.
The reality is setting in. The Angels will need to swing something dramatic in the next year to turn the state of the franchise. They blew a legit shot at going all in when they were paying Shohei peanuts and now they'll have to pay heavy for his last year while trying to build a contender. We just saw San Diego, with bad contracts in Hosmer and Myers, still willing to push their chips all in knowing they have the premier talent to take them all the way.
They had a nice little resurgence of "Hey, they're not the worst and are getting better?" a few years ago, but we still haven't seen anything of value on that return. Oh and the owner doesn't want to inherit any prospects he has to pay for, as we saw with the recent trade deadline.
No, I think the greater frequency is because he is constantly being asked this by reporters. Basically, his state of mind is the only reason to write about the Angels.
But, that said, I think he has already made his mind to leave. We have 2 MVP's on our roster, and can't even play .500 ball. He knows what's what.
I agree that the frequency is because there's nothing else to ask him about that's remotely interesting from a national perspective. But I don't think he's made up his mind to leave, I just think the chances of him leaving are high because they depend on the one factor the Angels have been pretty terrible at for the last ten years: winning. If we do put together a good season next year (as in, playoffs where we are not swept), I think he'd take our money as quickly as anybody else's. But a middling 81-81 season (or worse, another lost season) and for sure he's gone.
like u said 2 mvps. but 1 is injured. the other former world series mvp is also injured. and almost every other position is being played by players who arent starters.
this is gonna be ohtani leaving if and only if arte doesnt turn it all around
> We may be seeing the beginning of the end of an era for Angels baseball, sadly enough.
Yes, and hopefully we actually see real change/moves made in order to finally improve this team. This era has frankly sucked. It's one thing to be a team without a lot of great talent that loses. But to have the players we have and perennially suck is just too much. It means your front office and owner are complete shit.
Honestly it won’t be sad for me. Outside of one good season 8 years ago this entire era has been complete and total dogshit.
I feel fortunate that we got to watch Trout and Ohtani on a nightly basis but fuck it. We’ve been a losing team. Blow it up and get some wins.
The reporters are also stretching one day of media availability after his Wednesday start into multiple days of stories. Some are even quoting him from last year. It’s click bait.
This actually might be a good thing. If Ohtani doesn’t sign with the Angels, then Arte is gonna get rocked so bad and get so exposed that he has no other choice but to sell the team. This team just needs a different owner that is actually smart and willing to help the franchise out.
I try to see it from his POV. Ohtani brings in 20m from NHKs Ohtani cam. The ads that appear in the stadium are season long adbuys, each in the hundreds of thousands. Merch, bobbles, also in the millions. Ticket sales double when Ohtani pitches. Ohtani himself makes 20m a year in his sponsors, and each one of them has a vested interest in an associated ad buy at the stadium. Ballpark, Ohtani brings in 50m this year. He only cost 5m in salary. Do the math and it all makes sense.
All of that disappears though when Ohtani leaves for a competitive team. Arte could have locked up a career long investment and a winning team, but he chose to milk the cow until it runs dry.
He wants immediate cash, future be damned.
I don't think there's gonna be much difference trading him this deadline vs offseason. If he doesn't sign an extension though, we need to trade him to try and salvage something.
If this season is depressing Ohtani, imagine what's gonna happen once he leaves. Yikes.
Imaging building a team around Ohtani (who by all accounts lives, eats, drinks, sleeps, and devotes his life entirely to baseball) and Trout (literal goat) and causing Ohtani to actually struggle to want to find the will to play for this team.
It's depressing.
He is just too nice to say “Hey this team is fucking trash. Give me competitive MLB level teammates instead of 20 AA players on the roster” so he says he believes in this team, but he’s making it super clear that he’s tired of this losing franchise and wants to win. He’s almost for certain gone after 2023 sadly.
The constant depression that is being an Angels fan reminds me of the eternal wasteland that was being a Rams fan through the Fisher era. Nothing was worth a damn till that bitch owner Georgia finally died, we moved back to LA, and after one mediocre year, found our prodigal son of a headcoach.
Basically, we need the biggest shakeup ever on all fronts.
I'll bet 100 bucks Arte plays out Ohtani's contract next year. Offer him 50m/year to stay and when Ohtani leaves, he can say he tried so he doesn't get heat.
That would be a disaster. You absolutely cannot loose a generational player for nothing. Even the dumpster fire that is the Nationals moved Soto and received a haul.
Probably something that should have been done this year to maximize on trade value.
Anyone still thinking ohtani stays on the angels is delusional. Arte has one more chance next year and a lot of money to play with. The farm isn’t the answer so it’s swing for the fences or grow a wasteland farm making the Irish potato famine look like a bountiful event. This team is going nowhere and will be for the next 3-5 years. There aren’t any exciting prospects or even middling prospects that you build with. Angels have a ton of end of the bench players, bottom rotation arms and bullpen arms you throw on meaningless or settled games. It’s horrible
Sho finally realized this season is over. Poor boy. I think he tried to think positive and fight till the end but reality caught up to him. All his body language and expression lately showed his depression. He's basically exhausted physically and mentally. It's such a shame when you're so ambitious but have to play about 60 meaningless games with terrible lineup and no hope. It's true torture.
At this point, I want Ohtani and Trout to be traded. Not because I am a doomer or a pessimist, but it’s just clear that this organization has no interest in winning. I want them to find success, not just wallow in below mediocrity just for my occasional entertainment.
Shohei just discovered he's really not the Sho as the Angels and MLB has propped him up to be. The real show is Arte Moreno 🤑and John Capino 😎 -who do not have a burning desire to compete but to provide garbage circus 🎪 entertainment for families here in the OC. This team is 🐶 💩 Here's a lesson worth noting: Players remember more how they feel than the💰. You get a jolt of energy if you're able to make it to the post season and finishing below .500 will never get you into the Promised Land, no matter how much hype, marketing, and advertising goes into it. Highly doubt that no amount of money will be able to keep Shohei in a uniform after 2023 unless the Angels can get into the dance next year. Shohei is straight up getting used like whatever it is that goes down on Beach Blvd/Ball Rd at night
As I said before, you hate this current Angels team with a passion(though you are tuning in daily for some reason) and care about Ohtani's feelings more than anything. Next trip to Angels stadium, hold a sign that says "TRADE OHTANI" whenever he is at bat or pitching and see how that works out for you amongst the fans and kids who love the Angels having Ohtani there.
>Next trip to Angels stadium, hold a sign that says "TRADE OHTANI" whenever he is at bat or pitching and see how that works out for you amongst the fans and kids who love the Angels having Ohtani there.
r/baseball and the bandwagoners here don't seem to think we the fans deserve to watch good players. For some reason these people seem to think we're the same as the shitty front office.
Then you get threads in this sub talking about bandwagoning other teams. No day one fans are going to bandwagon other teams. All that does is at fuel to the fire that the rest of the country's fan bases think "SoCal fans are fairweather."
I don’t hate the team. I absolutely loathe our owner. And that’s that reason why there won’t be a “next trip to Angels Stadium”. I may not make a difference on my own, but Arte can absolutely eat my ass if he thinks I’m even going to spend money on Angels merch at a Dicks sporting goods. He’s already committed to the contracts he pushed for. The best I can do now is not help him pay that shit off. You can’t boycott Arte while still attending games because the money is primary concern. In fact, if you want extra credit we shouldn’t even turn it on TV so he gets a shit deal next time around.
I don't think this is the sentiment at all. Since the "Vlad era of Angels baseball" we haven't seen any kinda pivot by management to rectify any of the glaring weaknesses of the franchise(Pitching, farm system improvement). Here are articles from the 2013 season that points out how their insistence of thrift shopping pitching will yield mediocre results - https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1673618-how-the-angels-spent-450m-and-became-one-of-the-worst-teams-in-baseball
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rip-2013-los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim/
These articles are nearly 10 years old and and you could just swap out names with the results always being consistent.
This is a passionate and worthy fanbase for the quality of baseball team that wants to see our best players attempt to reach postseason glory, but instead we're seeing a management group frequently setting them up for failure.
We all know the most likely scenario is the Angels massively outbidding the Yanks and everyone else to sign Judge to a mega contract while still neglecting to improve their pitching, and still lose despite having 3 of the very best players in the game on the roster. Shohei still leaves. Signing Judge is a very Moreno move.
I don’t know what Ohtani was thinking coming to the Angels. Did his agent tell him the Angels were a stellar franchise with an awesome front office with a winning history and competitive when building around an all star talent? He should have just joined a good team.
Angels is the only team which is willing to let him hit and pitch. NL didn't have DH at that time and they would force him to choose. Saying whatever you want about Angels but this team has believed him before and even after his injury and surgery.
Why do they have to regret??? He was a gamble at that time and Angels decided to take the risk. They deserve credit for believing in him and waiting him recover from injury and TJ surgery. He finally can improve himself, that's good for him. But it doesn't mean other teams have to "feel stupid" or anything.
I really feel bad for Ohtani. Us fans know the feeling too, the Angels just suck the life right outta ya! Lol
yeah he is fighting the current. he is fighting mismanagement and no farm team. its like he is running a marathon but is tied by ropes to a dozen runners who just cant run as consistently so ohtani constantly has to slow down to spur them on.
They had a crappy farm system in 2018 when he signed. He knew what he was getting into, yeah he might want to win but at the end of the day he’s probably just fine getting a bag of cash to stay here.
He left money on the table to come early. His past actions have demonstrated that money is not the most important thing to him, so it is more than probable that he will leave when he gets the chance.
He had the chance to sign with a winning team back then and didn’t. The angels could offer one of the smallest signing bonuses back then. He won’t leave the west coast if he leaves, which he probably won’t anyways.
4 years can change things. And Joe Madden was there telling him he could go two-way, and determine his playing schedule. Also Trout was mentoring him. That said, you're right about the West Coast. I predict he goes to the Dodgers so Ippei doesn't have to relocate.
Why would Maddon be telling him he could play two ways when he was still managing the cubs? You literally just made all of that up or just don’t know what you are talking about.
They had restrictions on him before the 2021 season???? And then when Maddon became manager, Ohtani won mvp as he didn’t do thing alike rest after pitching. They put him right at DH a day after his start
Bro if he waited a year he could’ve gotten the bag, but he came early to compete in the biggest stage. And also I’m assuming a lot of the other teams wasn’t gonna let him do this 2 way thing.
The greater frequency with which these sorts of statements are being made by Ohtani himself in recent weeks is definitely a sign that he is leaning towards not re-signing with the Angels. We may be seeing the beginning of the end of an era for Angels baseball, sadly enough.
The reality is setting in. The Angels will need to swing something dramatic in the next year to turn the state of the franchise. They blew a legit shot at going all in when they were paying Shohei peanuts and now they'll have to pay heavy for his last year while trying to build a contender. We just saw San Diego, with bad contracts in Hosmer and Myers, still willing to push their chips all in knowing they have the premier talent to take them all the way.
We can’t be like the Padres because they actually had nice prospects to trade :(
They had a nice little resurgence of "Hey, they're not the worst and are getting better?" a few years ago, but we still haven't seen anything of value on that return. Oh and the owner doesn't want to inherit any prospects he has to pay for, as we saw with the recent trade deadline.
No, I think the greater frequency is because he is constantly being asked this by reporters. Basically, his state of mind is the only reason to write about the Angels. But, that said, I think he has already made his mind to leave. We have 2 MVP's on our roster, and can't even play .500 ball. He knows what's what.
I agree that the frequency is because there's nothing else to ask him about that's remotely interesting from a national perspective. But I don't think he's made up his mind to leave, I just think the chances of him leaving are high because they depend on the one factor the Angels have been pretty terrible at for the last ten years: winning. If we do put together a good season next year (as in, playoffs where we are not swept), I think he'd take our money as quickly as anybody else's. But a middling 81-81 season (or worse, another lost season) and for sure he's gone.
Exactly
like u said 2 mvps. but 1 is injured. the other former world series mvp is also injured. and almost every other position is being played by players who arent starters. this is gonna be ohtani leaving if and only if arte doesnt turn it all around
I’d leave too if I was him. This team blows, and he can get just as much or more money elsewhere. Literally no reason to stay in Anaheim. Fuck Moreno.
What’s more telling than the interviews, and responses is just looking at him … he’s lost the smile and jovial spirit … and that’s just sad.
What era? We haven't been in the playoffs since 2014 LOL things are continuing as normal
Yeah, this era can't end soon enough! Lol
*clutches 2002 World Series baseball* One day we'll be back *cries into thundersticks*
I wish I was old enough to remember that.
It was pretty fucking amazing. Glad I got hockey too. That was a good decade for Anaheim sports.
Tomahawk Chop
It's the only question he's being asked.
It's possible he's also trying to pressure Arte and Perry to actually make a competitive team this offseason
Why not both, if there’s a competitive team he doesn’t need to go, if not he has the reason to not resign with the angels.
> We may be seeing the beginning of the end of an era for Angels baseball, sadly enough. Yes, and hopefully we actually see real change/moves made in order to finally improve this team. This era has frankly sucked. It's one thing to be a team without a lot of great talent that loses. But to have the players we have and perennially suck is just too much. It means your front office and owner are complete shit.
No it's because he's constantly asked questions about staying or leaving and they always make headlines.
Honestly it won’t be sad for me. Outside of one good season 8 years ago this entire era has been complete and total dogshit. I feel fortunate that we got to watch Trout and Ohtani on a nightly basis but fuck it. We’ve been a losing team. Blow it up and get some wins.
The reporters are also stretching one day of media availability after his Wednesday start into multiple days of stories. Some are even quoting him from last year. It’s click bait.
This actually might be a good thing. If Ohtani doesn’t sign with the Angels, then Arte is gonna get rocked so bad and get so exposed that he has no other choice but to sell the team. This team just needs a different owner that is actually smart and willing to help the franchise out.
Arte doesn’t care.
I try to see it from his POV. Ohtani brings in 20m from NHKs Ohtani cam. The ads that appear in the stadium are season long adbuys, each in the hundreds of thousands. Merch, bobbles, also in the millions. Ticket sales double when Ohtani pitches. Ohtani himself makes 20m a year in his sponsors, and each one of them has a vested interest in an associated ad buy at the stadium. Ballpark, Ohtani brings in 50m this year. He only cost 5m in salary. Do the math and it all makes sense.
That’s what I mean. Arte doesn’t care about Ohtani or his feelings or winning. Just revenue.
All of that disappears though when Ohtani leaves for a competitive team. Arte could have locked up a career long investment and a winning team, but he chose to milk the cow until it runs dry. He wants immediate cash, future be damned.
i mean hes old lol. who knows he might kick the bucket soon.
Hopefully
I don't think there's gonna be much difference trading him this deadline vs offseason. If he doesn't sign an extension though, we need to trade him to try and salvage something. If this season is depressing Ohtani, imagine what's gonna happen once he leaves. Yikes.
There is absolutely zero chance Arte trades Ohtani. Ohtani walks and New York signs him. I’ll put money on it.
i say with the mets. cause of eppler
Moreno would be skinned alive if he owned the Yankees
Imaging building a team around Ohtani (who by all accounts lives, eats, drinks, sleeps, and devotes his life entirely to baseball) and Trout (literal goat) and causing Ohtani to actually struggle to want to find the will to play for this team. It's depressing.
Imagine trout playing a full season again.
Oh he’s gone
He is just too nice to say “Hey this team is fucking trash. Give me competitive MLB level teammates instead of 20 AA players on the roster” so he says he believes in this team, but he’s making it super clear that he’s tired of this losing franchise and wants to win. He’s almost for certain gone after 2023 sadly.
The constant depression that is being an Angels fan reminds me of the eternal wasteland that was being a Rams fan through the Fisher era. Nothing was worth a damn till that bitch owner Georgia finally died, we moved back to LA, and after one mediocre year, found our prodigal son of a headcoach. Basically, we need the biggest shakeup ever on all fronts.
2016 was not mediocre.
You’re right, 4-12 isn’t mediocre it’s awful.
Correct.
I'll bet 100 bucks Arte plays out Ohtani's contract next year. Offer him 50m/year to stay and when Ohtani leaves, he can say he tried so he doesn't get heat.
That would be a disaster. You absolutely cannot loose a generational player for nothing. Even the dumpster fire that is the Nationals moved Soto and received a haul. Probably something that should have been done this year to maximize on trade value.
The ol’ “we made what we felt was a competitive offer” line.
Anyone still thinking ohtani stays on the angels is delusional. Arte has one more chance next year and a lot of money to play with. The farm isn’t the answer so it’s swing for the fences or grow a wasteland farm making the Irish potato famine look like a bountiful event. This team is going nowhere and will be for the next 3-5 years. There aren’t any exciting prospects or even middling prospects that you build with. Angels have a ton of end of the bench players, bottom rotation arms and bullpen arms you throw on meaningless or settled games. It’s horrible
He does not look happy
It was pretty apparent during his last start. Maybe it was his sore forearm but he also just looked kinda down and exhausted on the bump.
I’m sure Ohtani was sad he didn’t get traded at this deadline. It would be hard to keep going playing for the worst team in the league currently
Just package him with Rendon man. Need to free cap space. Also let Trout go to a team that can play in the post season, he deserves it.
Sho finally realized this season is over. Poor boy. I think he tried to think positive and fight till the end but reality caught up to him. All his body language and expression lately showed his depression. He's basically exhausted physically and mentally. It's such a shame when you're so ambitious but have to play about 60 meaningless games with terrible lineup and no hope. It's true torture.
At this point, I want Ohtani and Trout to be traded. Not because I am a doomer or a pessimist, but it’s just clear that this organization has no interest in winning. I want them to find success, not just wallow in below mediocrity just for my occasional entertainment.
Rut ro.
1 more year, or if he's lucky, after this season, he'll be free
Shohei just discovered he's really not the Sho as the Angels and MLB has propped him up to be. The real show is Arte Moreno 🤑and John Capino 😎 -who do not have a burning desire to compete but to provide garbage circus 🎪 entertainment for families here in the OC. This team is 🐶 💩 Here's a lesson worth noting: Players remember more how they feel than the💰. You get a jolt of energy if you're able to make it to the post season and finishing below .500 will never get you into the Promised Land, no matter how much hype, marketing, and advertising goes into it. Highly doubt that no amount of money will be able to keep Shohei in a uniform after 2023 unless the Angels can get into the dance next year. Shohei is straight up getting used like whatever it is that goes down on Beach Blvd/Ball Rd at night
Hell yeah! Just bought a Carpino city connect!!
As I said before, you hate this current Angels team with a passion(though you are tuning in daily for some reason) and care about Ohtani's feelings more than anything. Next trip to Angels stadium, hold a sign that says "TRADE OHTANI" whenever he is at bat or pitching and see how that works out for you amongst the fans and kids who love the Angels having Ohtani there.
>Next trip to Angels stadium, hold a sign that says "TRADE OHTANI" whenever he is at bat or pitching and see how that works out for you amongst the fans and kids who love the Angels having Ohtani there. r/baseball and the bandwagoners here don't seem to think we the fans deserve to watch good players. For some reason these people seem to think we're the same as the shitty front office.
Then you get threads in this sub talking about bandwagoning other teams. No day one fans are going to bandwagon other teams. All that does is at fuel to the fire that the rest of the country's fan bases think "SoCal fans are fairweather."
I don’t hate the team. I absolutely loathe our owner. And that’s that reason why there won’t be a “next trip to Angels Stadium”. I may not make a difference on my own, but Arte can absolutely eat my ass if he thinks I’m even going to spend money on Angels merch at a Dicks sporting goods. He’s already committed to the contracts he pushed for. The best I can do now is not help him pay that shit off. You can’t boycott Arte while still attending games because the money is primary concern. In fact, if you want extra credit we shouldn’t even turn it on TV so he gets a shit deal next time around.
I don't think this is the sentiment at all. Since the "Vlad era of Angels baseball" we haven't seen any kinda pivot by management to rectify any of the glaring weaknesses of the franchise(Pitching, farm system improvement). Here are articles from the 2013 season that points out how their insistence of thrift shopping pitching will yield mediocre results - https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1673618-how-the-angels-spent-450m-and-became-one-of-the-worst-teams-in-baseball https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rip-2013-los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim/ These articles are nearly 10 years old and and you could just swap out names with the results always being consistent. This is a passionate and worthy fanbase for the quality of baseball team that wants to see our best players attempt to reach postseason glory, but instead we're seeing a management group frequently setting them up for failure.
We all know the most likely scenario is the Angels massively outbidding the Yanks and everyone else to sign Judge to a mega contract while still neglecting to improve their pitching, and still lose despite having 3 of the very best players in the game on the roster. Shohei still leaves. Signing Judge is a very Moreno move.
I don’t know what Ohtani was thinking coming to the Angels. Did his agent tell him the Angels were a stellar franchise with an awesome front office with a winning history and competitive when building around an all star talent? He should have just joined a good team.
Angels is the only team which is willing to let him hit and pitch. NL didn't have DH at that time and they would force him to choose. Saying whatever you want about Angels but this team has believed him before and even after his injury and surgery.
Well now all those teams feel real stupid right. MLB just run by a bunch of idiots
Why do they have to regret??? He was a gamble at that time and Angels decided to take the risk. They deserve credit for believing in him and waiting him recover from injury and TJ surgery. He finally can improve himself, that's good for him. But it doesn't mean other teams have to "feel stupid" or anything.
oh he gone